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Post by decafhigh on May 8, 2018 17:12:04 GMT
Well, I'm good I'm probably in another realm somewhere awaiting to return in a sequel. "You were spared by Thanos." Don't worry guys, I got this.
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Post by o Ventus on May 8, 2018 18:42:29 GMT
I actually liked the first two Thor movies and wish Thor had kept a level of classic Shakespeareanism in his part of the MCU. But alas, Chris Hemsworth and Marvel wanted to outquip the Guardians of the Galaxy so we got Thor Ragnarok. Which I enjoyed, but still. And ironically, Infinity War seemed to backtrack that again with symbolically undoing two of the three major decisions of Ragnarok. Also I was slain by Thanos, so I guess I'll.... *disintegrates* I liked the first Thor a lot. Haven’t seen The Dark World. On the topic of Thor, tfw no Beta Ray Bill since Thor is the one wielding Stormbreaker now and nothing even remotely hinting at Bill’s existence is in the MCU, even though Bill is easily on Thor’s level of power even without the Asgardian magic.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on May 8, 2018 18:47:25 GMT
Anyways:  So... a crack!team of our previous companions? Alistair: Captain America Bull: Thor Fenris: Winter Soldier Leliana: Black Widow Merrill: Scarlet Witch Nathaniel: Hawkeye Shale: Hulk Solas: Vision And naturally, Sandal is Iron Man. 
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Post by CrutchCricket on May 8, 2018 18:48:20 GMT
I liked the first Thor a lot. Haven’t seen The Dark World. On the topic of Thor, tfw no Beta Ray Bill since Thor is the one wielding Stormbreaker now and nothing even remotely hinting at Bill’s existence is in the MCU, even though Bill is easily on Thor’s level of power even without the Asgardian magic. Incorrect. There is an (easter egg?) visage of Beta Ray Bill on the Grandmaster's Tower in Thor: Ragnarok. Probably won't amount to more, but it is technically there. Also Lady Sif lives and > Valkyrie.
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Post by Sifr on May 8, 2018 19:37:07 GMT
Also Lady Sif lives and > Valkyrie. Nah, that's why neither of them appeared in Infinity War. They were too busy engaging in a contest of arms on Sakaar, to settle who is the ultimate warrior woman in the MCU? (Woe betide any spectator who thinks catcalling or yelling "Fight, Fight! Kiss, kiss!" is a smart idea)
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Post by CrutchCricket on May 8, 2018 19:59:41 GMT
Also Lady Sif lives and > Valkyrie. Nah, that's why neither of them appeared in Infinity War. They were too busy engaging in a contest of arms on Sakaar, to settle who is the ultimate warrior woman in the MCU? (Woe betide any spectator who thinks catcalling or yelling "Fight, Fight! Kiss, kiss!" is a smart idea) Valkyrie has a greater shot at being dead, since she was there when Thanos raided the Asgard vessel. Doubt she would've stood for it. She probably got killed mundanely and thus is unlikely to return (same with Loki) Sif is MIA and might be dead via IG. So she may be restored/return. Either way, I now wish Hela was still around. I wonder what she would've made of Thanos' plan. Anyone else think they'd actually work well together? I would say I ship her and Thanos, but then I'd have to kill myself.
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Post by Iakus on May 8, 2018 20:23:07 GMT
RIP another hero of the MCU:
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Post by Andrew Waples on May 8, 2018 20:25:35 GMT
Nah, that's why neither of them appeared in Infinity War. They were too busy engaging in a contest of arms on Sakaar, to settle who is the ultimate warrior woman in the MCU? (Woe betide any spectator who thinks catcalling or yelling "Fight, Fight! Kiss, kiss!" is a smart idea) Valkyrie has a greater shot at being dead, since she was there when Thanos raided the Asgard vessel. Doubt she would've stood for it. She probably got killed mundanely and thus is unlikely to return (same with Loki) Sif is MIA and might be dead via IG. So she may be restored/return. Either way, I now wish Hela was still around. I wonder what she would've made of Thanos' plan. Anyone else think they'd actually work well together? I would say I ship her and Thanos, but then I'd have to kill myself. Well Valkyrie is alive...
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Post by decafhigh on May 8, 2018 20:34:06 GMT
tfw no Beta Ray Bill since Thor is the one wielding Stormbreaker now and nothing even remotely hinting at Bill’s existence is in the MCU From Ragnarok: 
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Post by Sifr on May 8, 2018 20:34:20 GMT
Either way, I now wish Hela was still around. I wonder what she would've made of Thanos' plan. Anyone else think they'd actually work well together? I would say I ship her and Thanos, but then I'd have to kill myself. Damn, they missed a perfect opportunity to have Hela assume the role of Mistress Death in the MCU. Thanos would definitely have been enamoured with her from her ancient path of death and destruction across the Nine Realms, with one of his goals for the Infinity Gauntlet being to release her from her imprisonment (unaware Odin's death in Ragnarok already had done so), before laying waste to the universe in a bid to impress her. Why didn't they do this?
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Post by CrutchCricket on May 8, 2018 20:56:08 GMT
Well Valkyrie is alive... Unquestioningly says Valkyrie is alive. Refuses to confirm Korg.  Damn, they missed a perfect opportunity to have Hela assume the role of Mistress Death in the MCU. Thanos would definitely have been enamoured with her from her ancient path of death and destruction across the Nine Realms, with one of his goals for the Infinity Gauntlet being to release her from her imprisonment (unaware Odin's death in Ragnarok already had done so), before laying waste to the universe in a bid to impress her. Why didn't they do this? I'm not sure she'd get the exact same reaction from Thanos that the actual Death does. But I could see them getting along. Thanos wants half the universe dead and Hela would probably have to kill half of it anyway to rule the other half. Assuming no ego got in the way, I could definitely see the start of a terrible friendship. Oh and of course, anyone not currently the cosmic embodiment of an abstract concept would be irrevocably fucked.
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Post by Andrew Waples on May 8, 2018 20:59:45 GMT
Well Valkyrie is alive... Unquestioningly says Valkyrie is alive. Refuses to confirm Korg.
Damn, they missed a perfect opportunity to have Hela assume the role of Mistress Death in the MCU. Thanos would definitely have been enamoured with her from her ancient path of death and destruction across the Nine Realms, with one of his goals for the Infinity Gauntlet being to release her from her imprisonment (unaware Odin's death in Ragnarok already had done so), before laying waste to the universe in a bid to impress her. Why didn't they do this? I'm not sure she'd get the exact same reaction from Thanos that the actual Death does. But I could see them getting along. Thanos wants half the universe dead and Hela would probably have to kill half of it anyway to rule the other half. Assuming no ego got in the way, I could definitely see the start of a terrible friendship. Oh and of course, anyone not currently the cosmic embodiment of an abstract concept would be irrevocably fucked. I'd take with a gran o salt, considering the source being Reddit.
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Post by CrutchCricket on May 8, 2018 21:06:14 GMT
I'd take with a gran o salt, considering the source being Reddit. True enough. I think the whole opening/Guardians finding Thor deserves the director's cut treatment. There needs to be some visual indication half of them survived, for consistency if nothing else.
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Post by o Ventus on May 8, 2018 21:24:37 GMT
I liked the first Thor a lot. Haven’t seen The Dark World. On the topic of Thor, tfw no Beta Ray Bill since Thor is the one wielding Stormbreaker now and nothing even remotely hinting at Bill’s existence is in the MCU, even though Bill is easily on Thor’s level of power even without the Asgardian magic. Incorrect. There is an (easter egg?) visage of Beta Ray Bill on the Grandmaster's Tower in Thor: Ragnarok. Probably won't amount to more, but it is technically there. Also Lady Sif lives and > Valkyrie. Nothing suggests that that is actually Bill, as opposed to any random Korbinite. Like how Korg was originally the Kronan that Thor battles in The Dark World, but oh wait no Korg is in Ragnarok instead and that other Kronan is just some other random Kronan who happens to look exactly like Korg.
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Post by Iakus on May 8, 2018 21:31:17 GMT
I actually liked the first two Thor movies and wish Thor had kept a level of classic Shakespeareanism in his part of the MCU. But alas, Chris Hemsworth and Marvel wanted to outquip the Guardians of the Galaxy so we got Thor Ragnarok. Which I enjoyed, but still. And ironically, Infinity War seemed to backtrack that again with symbolically undoing two of the three major decisions of Ragnarok. Also I was slain by Thanos, so I guess I'll.... *disintegrates* I liked the first Thor a lot. Haven’t seen The Dark World. On the topic of Thor, tfw no Beta Ray Bill since Thor is the one wielding Stormbreaker now and nothing even remotely hinting at Bill’s existence is in the MCU, even though Bill is easily on Thor’s level of power even without the Asgardian magic. Well, the weapon may be CALLED Stormbreaker, but it looks more like Ultimate Mjolnir.
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Post by o Ventus on May 8, 2018 21:35:45 GMT
Well Valkyrie is alive... Unquestioningly says Valkyrie is alive. Refuses to confirm Korg.  Damn, they missed a perfect opportunity to have Hela assume the role of Mistress Death in the MCU. Thanos would definitely have been enamoured with her from her ancient path of death and destruction across the Nine Realms, with one of his goals for the Infinity Gauntlet being to release her from her imprisonment (unaware Odin's death in Ragnarok already had done so), before laying waste to the universe in a bid to impress her. Why didn't they do this? I'm not sure she'd get the exact same reaction from Thanos that the actual Death does. But I could see them getting along. Thanos wants half the universe dead and Hela would probably have to kill half of it anyway to rule the other half. Assuming no ego got in the way, I could definitely see the start of a terrible friendship. Oh and of course, anyone not currently the cosmic embodiment of an abstract concept would be irrevocably fucked. If MCU Thanos is even half as powerful as mainstream continuity Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet, the cosmics aren’t a match for him either, except for the Living Tribunal and The One Above All (who is just the in-universe personification of the writer and not a “real” character). Maybe The Beyonder, before the retcons that made him vastly weaker. Pre-retcon Beyonder was hands-down the single most powerful Marvel character in the canon, and might actually still be, disregarding TOAA. I mean, Thanos did already defeat Eternity, who is the out-and-out living embodiment of the universe itself, and outclasses every non-Living Tribunal cosmic. Actually now that I think about it, Marvel’s cosmics kind of suck. The Celestials (for the most part), Beyonder, Death, the Living Tribunal, and Galactus (when super fed to 100%) are all pretty stronk, but a lot of the figures that you’d expect to be ultra powerful like Eternity or Lord Chaos are kind of pushovers and have been overpowered by mortals more than once. Hela becoming Lady Death would be an astronomical leap in power, like going from a hand grenade to an atomic bomb. Hela is, for all intents and purposes, an extremely powerful alien, who, while powerful, is still “mortal” in the sense that she can be killed. Lady Death is the very abstract concept of “death” itself, who spans the universe and is one of a very small handful of entities in all of existence who cannot ever be destroyed no matter how hard you try.
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Post by o Ventus on May 8, 2018 21:41:31 GMT
I liked the first Thor a lot. Haven’t seen The Dark World. On the topic of Thor, tfw no Beta Ray Bill since Thor is the one wielding Stormbreaker now and nothing even remotely hinting at Bill’s existence is in the MCU, even though Bill is easily on Thor’s level of power even without the Asgardian magic. Well, the weapon may be CALLED Stormbreaker, but it looks more like Ultimate Mjolnir. Stormbreaker and Ultimate Mjolnir are almost the same in terms of aesthetics anyway. I’m not super familiar with Ultimate Thor, but given the similarities I would assume that Ultimate Mjolnir was probably inspired at least in part BY Bill’s Stormbreaker.
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Post by Iakus on May 8, 2018 21:48:24 GMT
Well, the weapon may be CALLED Stormbreaker, but it looks more like Ultimate Mjolnir. Stormbreaker and Ultimate Mjolnir are almost the same in terms of aesthetics anyway. I’m not super familiar with Ultimate Thor, but given the similarities I would assume that Ultimate Mjolnir was probably inspired at least in part BY Bill’s Stormbreaker. Ultimate Mjolnir seems to have the same powers as the original except: It has the ability to teleport people (I guess like the Bifrost) There is no "worthiness" enchantment on it. But I'm not really an expert on Thor.
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Post by Sifr on May 8, 2018 22:42:37 GMT
Unquestioningly says Valkyrie is alive. Refuses to confirm Korg. Can we at least all agree that Doug's still "probably" dead? (I say "probably", since Korg hasn't exactly the best track record when it comes to prematurely declaring people dead) Although if Doug gets brought back to life in Avengers 4, that would be one epic brick-joke.
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Post by o Ventus on May 8, 2018 23:36:32 GMT
Now that I think about it, since Planet Hulk has already been raped into Thor: Ragnarok, they won't be able to do an adaptation of World War Hulk (straight up one of the best Marvel stories ever for my money) without totally bastardizing the buildup. Hulk becomes the king of Sakaar after deposing the Red King (not the Grandmaster, why the movie replaced the Red King with the Grandmaster, I will never know, that change was entirely pointless) and takes a wife and has a kid with her, becoming beloved by the people of Sakaar. A massive planet-busting explosion goes off and kills a massive amount of people on Sakaar, including Hulk's wife and (assumed) his son, causing him to fly into an even-stronger-than-usual rage, take the Warbound and the survivors of Sakaar, and bring them to Earth to take revenge on the Illuminati (in the Marvel continuity being Reed Richards, Tony Stark, Doctor Strange, Namor the Submariner, Black Bolt, and Charles Xavier, and the ones who sent him to Sakaar in the first place), believing them to be the ones who caused the explosion. Hulk and co. land in NYC and announce to everyone that they have 24 hours to evacuate and for Tony, Strange, Black Bolt, and Reed to show up so that Hulk can fight them. Hulk beats the everliving shit out of all of them one by one and powers up to possibly his strongest form, Worldbreaker Hulk, but refuses to kill any of them, instead choosing to tarnish their reputation by broadcasting the message that they left for him when they shot him into space, which actually manages to turn a good portion of the human population against them.
They wouldn't even need to make it a Hulk solo titled film, it can be something more akin to Captain America: Civil War, where it's more like an Avengers movie just with a single character's name in the title. Make it an Iron Man movie and make Tony the figurehead for the Illuminati (since he is in the comics anyway). Of course, Namor would need to be introduced at some point before this, but that wouldn't be a problem since Marvel and Disney do own the movie rights for him. They could have replaced Xavier and Reed with Black Panther (who worked with the Illuminati but never officially joined them in the comics) and did some mild re-writing to make the Hulk's motivation fit better into the movie continuity. The twist at the end of the story would probably need to be re-worked since it wouldn't really fit into the MCU continuity. The Sentry is an important figure in the book too, but since the Sentry will most likely never appear in the MCU, I wouldn't really be surprised if he got cut.
I guess while I'm on the topic of Marvel stories that I wish would have been adapted, I'll also add in Secret Wars (big crossover and the origin of the Venom symbiote), Maximum Carnage (but Venom would be needed since he's a major player there), Demon in a Bottle (wouldn't be a big summer action movie, but it's still a quintessential Iron Man story), and Death of Captain America (the OTHER only good thing to come out of the Civil War comic, but would need some re-writing since Red Skull and Crossbones are big players in the book but are either dead or out of commission in the MCU). Death of Captain America in particular would be an excellent developmental period for Bucky and can be a passing-of-the-torch moment for the Cap mantle, like it was in the book since Bucky actually does take on the role of Captain America for a time following this story.
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Post by Sifr on May 8, 2018 23:49:07 GMT
Demon in a Bottle (wouldn't be a big summer action movie, but it's still a quintessential Iron Man story) Tony's self-destructive behaviour and borderline alcoholism was brought up in Iron Man 2. But that movie never went anywhere near the depths that Demon in a Bottle did when it came to deconstructing the character of Tony Stark and showing his downward spiral. Of course, failing to deliver on this storyline was the least of Iron Man 2's many, many problems.
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Post by o Ventus on May 8, 2018 23:52:11 GMT
Demon in a Bottle (wouldn't be a big summer action movie, but it's still a quintessential Iron Man story) Tony's self-destructive behaviour and borderline alcoholism was brought up in Iron Man 2. But that movie never went anywhere near the depths that Demon in a Bottle did when it came to deconstructing the character of Tony Stark and showing his downward spiral. Of course, failing to deliver on this storyline was the least of Iron Man 2's many, many problems. I completely forgot about Iron Man 2. But in my defense, so did everyone else.
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Post by colfoley on May 9, 2018 1:17:57 GMT
the MCU even SUPPOSED to be an adaatation? I mean I know that they have certain tent pole events and characters in common with the comics but, by the neccessity and by the mish mash of the early MCU when it came to the rights to the comics, they have changed enough details and had a much smaller cast to ever make the MCU true adaptations. Granted I never read a Marvel comic a day in my life so maybe its just not that much of an impact on me. But, as someone I heard on youtube or an article pointed out it seems that the MCU is an alternative universe canon for the rest of the Marvels many universes...considering Marvel has gone through numerous reboots.
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Post by o Ventus on May 9, 2018 1:24:54 GMT
the MCU even SUPPOSED to be an adaatation? I mean I know that they have certain tent pole events and characters in common with the comics but, by the neccessity and by the mish mash of the early MCU when it came to the rights to the comics, they have changed enough details and had a much smaller cast to ever make the MCU true adaptations. Granted I never read a Marvel comic a day in my life so maybe its just not that much of an impact on me. But, as someone I heard on youtube or an article pointed out it seems that the MCU is an alternative universe canon for the rest of the Marvels many universes...considering Marvel has gone through numerous reboots. An adaptation is just a pre-existing story retold through another medium. So yes, a lot of the MCU movies are adaptations, though not all of them. Thor Ragnarok is half an adaptation of Planet Hulk. Iron Man 2 partly adapts Iron Man: Demon in a Bottle. Civil War adapts... Civil War, but extensively changes things. Age of Ultron adapts... Age of Ultron, but only really in name and the fact that Ultron is the villain. Infinity War is actually more an adaptation of The Infinity Gauntlet, from 1991, more so than the actual Infinity War comic. The original Avengers movie more or less adapts the first major plot arc of The Ultimates, what with the Chitauri invasion (although Loki had dick nothing to do with the comic invasion). An adaptation that completely pisses on the source material is still an adaptation of it carries the name and the same basic plot structure.
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