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Post by DragonKingReborn on Oct 11, 2020 23:48:48 GMT
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It didn't disappoint. Although theories about Starlight being Stormfront's kryptonite were clearly wide of the mark.
The reveal of the Head Exploding Assassin was a surprise and now has me questioning motive (and if anyone - Vought - was behind it, or if they're doing it for their own reasons).
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Post by dazk on Oct 14, 2020 3:52:15 GMT
I myself really liked it. Much better adaptation than American Gods which I hated and quit after 3 episodes. Good Omens does get progressively weaker imo but I found it charming overall. I'm currently watching a lot of stand up comedy on YT, mostly Drybar. Most of it is cringe but some of the old dudes are funny. We managed to finish S1 of American Gods, but it was a struggle. I think it was just weird enough to keep us interested in where it might go. But now, a year or more later - couldn't tell you what happened and have no interest in watching any more of it. Glad you enjoyed Good Omens, though. I was so excited to hear they were making American Gods as it is one of my all time favourite books and I re-read it again about 12 months ago. However I tried hard to like the TV show but couldn't bring myself to watch series 2, maybe one of these days. I love all Gaiman's books, Anansi Boys, Graveyard book, Neverwhere, Good Omens etc. but the ones that have been made into TV shows, the shows have been but a "Shadow" of the novels. Except for Good Omens which I highly recommend.
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Post by dazk on Oct 14, 2020 3:54:25 GMT
Watched the first episode of Good Omens. I’m gonna pass on this one. Bit of a shame, because I like Tennant and Michael Sheen is awesome, but it turns out he’s just playing “himself, but an angel”, and for some reason it didn’t land for me. Blasphemy!!!!!!! If you can get through American Gods you should give this more of a chance than one episode!!!!!!
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Post by dazk on Oct 14, 2020 3:55:22 GMT
Currently watching Raised by Wolves, not sure how I'd rate it or my opinion but to say I am enjoying it and it's intriguing. Up to episode 9 waiting for the last 3 episodes to become available, well assume there are 3 more. I quite enjoy this show myself, though a couple of the kids make me want humanity to die, like Campion and the kid with the fauxhawk. Did you enjoy the whole series? So many questions at the end??????????
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Oct 14, 2020 4:02:57 GMT
Watched the first episode of Good Omens. I’m gonna pass on this one. Bit of a shame, because I like Tennant and Michael Sheen is awesome, but it turns out he’s just playing “himself, but an angel”, and for some reason it didn’t land for me. Blasphemy!!!!!!! If you can get through American Gods you should give this more of a chance than one episode!!!!!! FINE! I'll try it again. But if I don't like it, I'm blaming ALL of Australia.
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Post by dazk on Oct 14, 2020 4:25:06 GMT
Blasphemy!!!!!!! If you can get through American Gods you should give this more of a chance than one episode!!!!!! FINE! I'll try it again. But if I don't like it, I'm blaming ALL of Australia. Fine we have broad shoulders and don't whinge as much as Kiwis except about the rugby cause we was robbed. Did you watch the rugby, I nearly had a heart attack in that last 8 minutes!!!!!
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Oct 14, 2020 4:55:18 GMT
FINE! I'll try it again. But if I don't like it, I'm blaming ALL of Australia. Fine we have broad shoulders and don't whinge as much as Kiwis except about the rugby cause we was robbed. Did you watch the rugby, I nearly had a heart attack in that last 8 minutes!!!!! I did, except replace heart attack with brain aneurysm from the rage that they couldn't work out that a dropped goal would win the bloody thing!
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Post by dazk on Oct 14, 2020 5:03:50 GMT
Fine we have broad shoulders and don't whinge as much as Kiwis except about the rugby cause we was robbed. Did you watch the rugby, I nearly had a heart attack in that last 8 minutes!!!!! I did, except replace heart attack with brain aneurysm from the rage that they couldn't work out that a dropped goal would win the bloody thing!
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I was so excited to hear they were making American Gods as it is one of my all time favourite books and I re-read it again about 12 months ago. However I tried hard to like the TV show but couldn't bring myself to watch series 2, maybe one of these days. I love all Gaiman's books, Anansi Boys, Graveyard book, Neverwhere, Good Omens etc. but the ones that have been made into TV shows, the shows have been but a "Shadow" of the novels. Except for Good Omens which I highly recommend. I haven't read the book, but an ex-girlfriend wouldn't stop going on about it so I had the broad strokes going into the series. It's pretty obvious that Gaiman's writing style isn't suited for television. He's too given to playing around with abstract concepts and fairy tale logic, which can be fascinating and exciting but is also extremely hard to get across without paragraphs upon paragraphs of nuanced description. Lovecraft works have the same problem, and Stephen King's novels occasionally do too even though his stories are a lot more grounded and minimalistic. That said, I think the first season does a great job of trying, and can stand perfectly well on its own as entertainment. The second season not so much.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 15, 2020 11:51:48 GMT
They are going to revive DEXTER... O___o
WTF
I'm terrified...
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They are going to revive DEXTER... O___o WTF I'm terrified... ..... Yeah...pass.
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Post by Noxluxe on Oct 15, 2020 20:35:45 GMT
They are going to revive DEXTER... O___o WTF I'm terrified... Wow, that's... unexpected. I'm optimistic though. The first couple of seasons rocked because they actually made him appear as if he was trying and succeeding at seeming likable and normal, give or take flippant psychopathic inner monologues, and that was kind of the crux of the premise in the books. Later seasons turned him into an obviously alien pseudphilosophy-spouting weirdo going through one identity crisis after another who should have been tripping red flags all over the place but inexplicably never did. And that wasn't really the point. If someone is rebooting and reviving it for a limited run then I'm hopeful they're going to try to recapture what originally made the show worth watching.
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They are going to revive DEXTER... O___o WTF I'm terrified... Wtf? Why? No original ideas any more, Hollywood?
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S2E8 The Boys It didn't disappoint. Although theories about Starlight being Stormfront's kryptonite were clearly wide of the mark. Why she didn't/couldn't was a question that got tossed around reddit. The short answer was that Stormfront uses "plasma" instead of something electrical. /shrug
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Oct 16, 2020 3:26:15 GMT
Why she didn't/couldn't was a question that got tossed around reddit. The short answer was that Stormfront uses "plasma" instead of something electrical. /shrug Huh. Fair enough. Red herrings are a time honoured tradition, I suppose.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 16, 2020 8:15:27 GMT
They are going to revive DEXTER... O___o WTF I'm terrified... Wow, that's... unexpected. I'm optimistic though. The first couple of seasons rocked because they actually made him appear as if he was trying and succeeding at seeming likable and normal, give or take flippant psychopathic inner monologues, and that was kind of the crux of the premise in the books. Later seasons turned him into an obviously alien pseudphilosophy-spouting weirdo going through one identity crisis after another who should have been tripping red flags all over the place but inexplicably never did. And that wasn't really the point. If someone is rebooting and reviving it for a limited run then I'm hopeful they're going to try to recapture what originally made the show worth watching. I'm not optimistic. They ruined my favorite show for all eternity with not only that abysmal ending but the entire final season. Deb is dead. They killed the heart of the show. There is no redeeming that. I have no interest in more Dexter. At the risk of getting ostracized here too... The only scenario that would peek my interest is if they redid everything from mid S7. I'm one of the few people who wanted to see the Dex/Deb romance done properly. Imo it could have been the most epic fucked up love story in TV history but they chickened out after the backlash. Instead Dex fell for the kind of person he used to despise and kill. WTF. Way to ruin the character and the theme of redemption the show had going. Ugh. Then GoT made literal incest acceptable to a wide audience but the idea that two very damaged people who aren't even biologically related might always have been in love with one another makes people go eeewwwwww. I don't get it. People pay no attention to subtext and narrative. The romantic feelings didn't come out of the blue. I'd been discussing how Deb is the right woman for Dex with people during S5 already. That's when it got obvious to me. What person would accept Dex as who he is, serial killer and all? Nope, it wasn't Lumen. It's Deb! And she DID in S7. In the books the sexual undertones are very strong. So it's not like the TV writers pulled that out their asses... At the very least, Dex and Deb and Harrison were supposed to be a family in a sibling bond sort of way. Deb and his kids were supposed to be BETTER off because of Dex. Deb was supposed to survive. Dex should have either died saving her life or he should have walked into the sunset with Deb, never getting caught imo. Instead Scott Buck destroyed the characters and the show's legacy. S8 single-handedly ruined Dex' character, ruined Deb's character and killed her off in the most insulting way imaginable off screen. Even ruined Harry by retconning his role in Dexter's life. I've never seen writing so bad ever since. /rant
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Post by Noxluxe on Oct 16, 2020 9:17:09 GMT
I'm not optimistic. They ruined my favorite show for all eternity with not only that abysmal ending but the entire final season. Deb is dead. They killed the heart of the show. There is no redeeming that. I have no interest in more Dexter. At the risk of getting ostracized here too... The only scenario that would peek my interest is if they redid everything from mid S7. I'm one of the few people who wanted to see the Dex/Deb romance done properly. Imo it could have been the most epic fucked up love story in TV history but they chickened out after the backlash. Instead Dex fell for the kind of person he used to despise and kill. WTF. Way to ruin the character and the theme of redemption the show had going. Ugh. Then GoT made literal incest acceptable to a wide audience but the idea that two very damaged people who aren't even biologically related might always have been in love with one another makes people go eeewwwwww. I don't get it. People pay no attention to subtext and narrative. The romantic feelings didn't come out of the blue. I'd been discussing how Deb is the right woman for Dex with people during S5 already. That's when it got obvious to me. What person would accept Dex as who he is, serial killer and all? Nope, it wasn't Lumen. It's Deb! And she DID in S7. In the books the sexual undertones are very strong. So it's not like the TV writers pulled that out their asses... At the very least, Dex and Deb and Harrison were supposed to be a family in a sibling bond sort of way. Deb and his kids were supposed to be BETTER off because of Dex. Deb was supposed to survive. Dex should have either died saving her life or he should have walked into the sunset with Deb, never getting caught imo. Instead Scott Buck destroyed the characters and the show's legacy. S8 single-handedly ruined Dex' character, ruined Deb's character and killed her off in the most insulting way imaginable off screen. Even ruined Harry by retconning his role in Dexter's life. I've never seen writing so bad ever since. /rant Aaaw. I pretty much lost interest after Lumen Pierce. Dex wasn't acting like himself at all anymore, and the show's dialogue wasn't anywhere near strong enough to carry a foulmouthed Lawful Good cop realizing that her beloved police hero dad had trained her dysfunctional adoptive brother as a serial killer whom she also happened to possibly be in love with, by catching him in the middle of executing a religious nutcase wannabe domestic terrorist who had tried to murder her. It just felt like a complete clusterfuck. There were some nice and hilarious moments, like the whole 'ok, we'll lock ourselves inside while you go through serial killer detox' thing that made me think that yeah, the two of them getting together could be fun. But pretty much everything felt half-assed after season 4/5. Except for Isaak Sirko. That guy is one of my favorite villains of all time, and to date my favorite Ray Stevenson character. And if I remember right, the books ended on an even more lame note with Dex getting Rita killed by an incel who had spotted him at work on one of his victims and felt inspired to go on a power trip. ...While he was cheating on her with an actress to whom he was assigned as security detail as part of a weird sudden midlife crisis. ...Before rescuing Astor, who had run off with a child predator. ...After which he was sent to jail for Rita's murder, got bailed out, and ended up blown to pieces on a boat in some cockamamie scheme to put the screws to some of Brian's old mafia buddies for some reason or other. While Brian himself took off to continue enjoying serial killer life, obviously, and Deb ended up hating her brother's memory trying to raise Astor and a budding psychopathic Cody on her own. So... it could have been worse?
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 16, 2020 10:48:34 GMT
Aaaw. I pretty much lost interest after Lumen Pierce. Dex wasn't acting like himself at all anymore, and the show's dialogue wasn't anywhere near strong enough to carry a foulmouthed Lawful Good cop realizing that her beloved police hero dad had trained her dysfunctional adoptive brother as a serial killer whom she also happened to possibly be in love with, by catching him in the middle of executing a religious nutcase wannabe domestic terrorist who had tried to murder her. It just felt like a complete clusterfuck. There were some nice and hilarious moments, like the whole 'ok, we'll lock ourselves inside while you go through serial killer detox' thing that made me think that yeah, the two of them getting together could be fun. But pretty much everything felt half-assed after season 4/5. Except for Isaak Sirko. That guy is one of my favorite villains of all time, and to date my favorite Ray Stevenson character. And if I remember right, the books ended on an even more lame note with Dex getting Rita killed by an incel who had spotted him at work on one of his victims and felt inspired to go on a power trip. ...While he was cheating on her with an actress to whom he was assigned as security detail as part of a weird sudden midlife crisis. ...Before rescuing Astor, who had run off with a child predator. ...After which he was sent to jail for Rita's murder, got bailed out, and ended up blown to pieces on a boat in some cockamamie scheme to put the screws to some of Brian's old mafia buddies for some reason or other. While Brian himself took off to continue enjoying serial killer life, obviously, and Deb ended up hating her brother's memory trying to raise Astor and a budding psychopathic Cody on her own. So... it could have been worse? Yeah, S6 was mostly garbage except for kicking off Deb realizing that she'd been in love with her brother. I never expected the writers to address it openly. Best I thought I could hope for was an ambiguous scene at the very end. So while S6 had a horrible boring main plot I sat there going "Wait, is this actually happening?! Sure looks like it... It's happening, omfg!!!" The hotel room scene in S7 was great! The first half of S7 was much better than S6 and I thought the show had recovered. Then Dex screwed Hannah and I haven't stopped ranting in ten years, lol. I admit I'm still salty AF about what happened to this show because of the fandom's reaction. S5 was noticeably weaker than 1-4. Scott Buck took over... But the Lumen story made sense at least. Dex trying to find acceptance had a logical progression. First he thought his own lost brother would be an ideal friend he can be himself around. Too bad he tried to have him kill Deb, lol. It's estsblished that Dex has a conscience and is "fond" of Deb. Next Lila, another fellow psychopath who unfortunately tried to kill his kids. Big no no there again. Even as a girlfriend fellow killers don't work! So then he befriends Miguel, another big mistake. That didn't work out either because Dex also likes LaGuerta and doesn't approve of killing innocent people anyway. The WHOLE trusting other shady people thing isn't working out for Dex. He totally falls for Lumen, the first good person, who he thought could be the light in his life and keep his demons at bay. Good reasoning! Too bad good people tend to not want to be around serial killers once they had their revenge... But trusting a good person was the right direction. There has always been a good person in his life: Deb. Well, and Rita. But we know how that ended. So Deb was always meant to be the one person where he can find total acceptance. At least that part they got right. But when the romantic angle was rejected by the audience they needed a quick fix. And for whatever insane reason they decided that a fellow serial killer makes sense after all. Even though she was jealous of Deb and almost killed her. WTF. Dex killed his own brother for this sin but hot Hannah is different because reasons. This whole thing makes zero sense. And then he even leaves his son with the woman who is confirmed to have no conscience and gets bored with people and then kills them. OK, Scott Buck, go to hell... Ahem. Anyway, the books didn't end on a good note either. That's true. My theory is that the backlash against the show also made the writer not go through with the fucked up love story there. It made even more sense in the books, seeing how they ended up being partners in crime already and always so oddly into one another from the start, resulting in Deb's boyfriend being jealous. Gosh I had forgotten how clumsy the plotting was. Thanksfor reminding me, ugh. The TV show could have ended on a good note even without the romantic twist. They just needed to have Dex accept that all he needs is Deb and his kids. Deb was taking over the mommy role anyway. Deb always loved living with Dex. Whatever it was between them, they were happy together. His family redeemed him. Instead they turned Hannah into the special person who made him want to stop killing rather than Deb. That is so insulting to the characters and nonsensical, I can't even. Dex should have run away with Deb and Harrison, his actual functional family. Make it ambiguous in what way Dex loves Deb back, I don't care. But S8 assassinated these characters and the entire story arc about this killer who's actually capable of love. The show ended on the same bleak note as S4, thus making season 5-8 completely pointless. That's beyond depressing and edgy in a boring way. Back in the day I felt that Breaking Brad's popularity killed Dexter. They wanted to top that dark bleakness. And well, they succeeded! No redemption for the wicked. Dex had to lose everything like Walter White... And worse, Deb had to die as collateral damage. Jesse survived Walter White'd downfall, so did his family, as it should be, because even on that show they let him have a shred if decency and redemption. Dexter abandoned his son into the hands of a serial killer to sit in a cabin in the woods and feel sorry for himself. WTF. What I'm trying to say is that the books never had a coherent theme and emotional depth. The writer never planned ahead. He wrote contained over the top dark comedy about a serial killer, who really had no conscience, and his disturbed disfunctional foster sister he finds hot. Book Dex never loved Rita. Both Dex and Deb are awful unlikeable people there. The books were kind of brilliant in their own absurd way. Great fun to read. I read the first book before the show came out. So while it was disappointing how it ended, this nonsense didn't completely ruin the characters except maybe the bit where Deb resented him at the end. The plotting was just utter nonsense. But I didn't find it nearly as insulting as what happened on the show. Sorry for the long post, as I said I'm not over it...
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Post by Noxluxe on Oct 16, 2020 12:02:20 GMT
Yeah, S6 was mostly garbage except for kicking off Deb realizing that she'd been in love with her brother. I never expected the writers to address it openly. Best I thought I could hope for was an ambiguous scene at the very end. So while S6 had a horrible boring main plot I sat there going "Wait, is this actually happening?! Sure looks like it... It's happening, omfg!!!" The hotel room scene in S7 was great! The first half of S7 was much better than S6 and I thought the show had recovered. Then Dex screwed Hannah and I haven't stopped ranting in ten years, lol. I admit I'm still salty AF about what happened to this show because of the fandom's reaction. S5 was noticeably weaker than 1-4. Scott Buck took over... But the Lumen story made sense at least. Dex trying to find acceptance had a logical progression. First he thought his own lost brother would be an ideal friend he can be himself around. Too bad he tried to have him kill Deb, lol. It's estsblished that Dex has a conscience and is "fond" of Deb. Next Lila, another fellow psychopath who unfortunately tried to kill his kids. Big no no there again. Even as a girlfriend fellow killers don't work! So then he befriends Miguel, another big mistake. That didn't work out either because Dex also likes LaGuerta and doesn't approve of killing innocent people anyway. The WHOLE trusting other shady people thing isn't working out for Dex. He totally falls for Lumen, the first good person, who he thought could be the light in his life and keep his demons at bay. Good reasoning! Too bad good people tend to not want to be around serial killers once they had their revenge... But trusting a good person was the right direction. There has always been a good person in his life: Deb. Well, and Rita. But we know how that ended. So Deb was always meant to be the one person where he can find total acceptance. At least that part they got right. But when the romantic angle was rejected by the audience they needed a quick fix. And for whatever insane reason they decided that a fellow serial killer makes sense after all. Even though she was jealous of Deb and almost killed her. WTF. Dex killed his own brother for this sin but hot Hannah is different because reasons. This whole thing makes zero sense. And then he even leaves his son with the woman who is confirmed to have no conscience and gets bored with people and then kills them. OK, Scott Buck, go to hell... Ahem. Anyway, the books didn't end on a good note either. That's true. My theory is that the backlash against the show also made the writer not go through with the fucked up love story there. It made even more sense in the books, seeing how they ended up being partners in crime already and always so oddly into one another from the start, resulting in Deb's boyfriend being jealous. Gosh I had forgotten how clumsy the plotting was. Thanksfor reminding me, ugh. The TV show could have ended on a good note even without the romantic twist. They just needed to have Dex accept that all he needs is Deb and his kids. Deb was taking over the mommy role anyway. Deb always loved living with Dex. Whatever it was between them, they were happy together. His family redeemed him. Instead they turned Hannah into the special person who made him want to stop killing rather than Deb. That is so insulting to the characters and nonsensical, I can't even. Dex should have run away with Deb and Harrison, his actual functional family. Make it ambiguous in what way Dex loves Deb back, I don't care. But S8 assassinated these characters and the entire story arc about this killer who's actually capable of love. The show ended on the same bleak note as S4, thus making season 5-8 completely pointless. That's beyond depressing and edgy in a boring way. Back in the day I felt that Breaking Brad's popularity killed Dexter. They wanted to top that dark bleakness. And well, they succeeded! No redemption for the wicked. Dex had to lose everything like Walter White... And worse, Deb had to die as collateral damage. Jesse survived Walter White'd downfall, so did his family, as it should be, because even on that show they let him have a shred if decency and redemption. Dexter abandoned his son into the hands of a serial killer to sit in a cabin in the woods and feel sorry for himself. WTF. What I'm trying to say is that the books never had a coherent theme and emotional depth. The writer never planned ahead. He wrote contained over the top dark comedy about a serial killer, who really had no conscience, and his disturbed disfunctional foster sister he finds hot. Book Dex never loved Rita. Both Dex and Deb are awful unlikeable people there. The books were kind of brilliant in their own absurd way. Great fun to read. I read the first book before the show came out. So while it was disappointing how it ended, this nonsense didn't completely ruin the characters except maybe the bit where Deb resented him at the end. The plotting was just utter nonsense. But I didn't find it nearly as insulting as what happened on the show. Sorry for the long post, as I said I'm not over it... Hmm. As a fellow guy, I probably have an easier time forgiving Dex for bending his Code for Yvonne Strahovski's benefit. Not to say that it wasn't pathetic, but... understandable? And what do you mean Dex and Deb weren't likable in the books?! I loved them both much better than I did in the show. Deb is almost a clone of my younger sister, all self-righteousness and short-sighted impatience, made bearable by that tiny knot of warmth at her core. And Dex is adorable as this perpetually befuddled psychopath whose every line of dialogue is a lame joke in order to fly under the radar, and whose inner monologue is just non-stop whining and self-pity. I don't remember any pseudo-incestual chemistry between them, though. Must have flown over my head. So far as I recall, she just treats him like her good luck charm and exploits him shamelessly to further her career, and he likes having her around because she's the only person he really understands, in that everything she thinks and feels just comes straight out of her mouth. Hmm. Maybe I should go out and get the English versions of the novels and give them another look. I remember really liking them. Thank you for reminding me. Might rewatch the first few seasons as well. Doakes, Miguel, Lilah, Arthur, Isaak... so many great villains.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 16, 2020 12:49:14 GMT
Hmm. As a fellow guy, I probably have an easier time forgiving Dex for bending his Code for Yvonne Strahovski's benefit. Not to say that it wasn't pathetic, but... understandable? And what do you mean Dex and Deb weren't likable in the books?! I loved them both much better than I did in the show. Deb is almost a clone of my younger sister, all self-righteousness and short-sighted impatience, made bearable by that tiny knot of warmth at her core. And Dex is adorable as this perpetually befuddled psychopath whose every line of dialogue is a lame joke in order to fly under the radar, and whose inner monologue is just non-stop whining and self-pity. I don't remember any pseudo-incestual chemistry between them, though. Must have flown over my head. So far as I recall, she just treats him like her good luck charm and exploits him shamelessly to further her career, and he likes having her around because she's the only person he really understands, in that everything she thinks and feels just comes straight out of her mouth. Hmm. Maybe I should go out and get the English versions of the novels and give them another look. I remember really liking them. Thank you for reminding me. Might rewatch the first few seasons as well. Doakes, Miguel, Lilah, Arthur, Isaak... so many great villains. LOL, in the real world people set their lives on fire for a hot chick/guy all the time, yes. But I expect a show to follow through on the things previously established about the characters. And that was: mess with my family and you die. So bad writing is bad writing. Regardless of whether one supports the sibling romance or not. Hell, if Dex ended up with another Rita he was actually in love this time it would still have been OK. That would have made sense at least, even if boring. But I prefer boring to a trainwreck... I loved the book characters in their awful repulsive ways lol! The books were more believable because Dex is an actual psychopath there. That's another thing I hated about S8. The show spent 7 seasons establishing that Dexter has feelings and the ability to care for people. And that maybe he just kept telling himself that he's an unfeeling monster to cope with his trauma and because Harry kind of manipulated him. It was always a pinocchio story. Only to have this fucked up psychologist show up and retcon everything last minute and tell the audience that Dexter doesn't actually love anybody because psychopaths are incapable of it. What the actual fuck?! There is no such drama in the books. Dex really never loved Rita. He's callous and it's funny how he tries to act normal. And so of course he's teaching the kids how to be successful monsters too. It was so silly, it was great. It was all so wonderfully delightfully wrong. I read the books in English. Maybe I should reread them too and collect all the sexual references. They're really there, I'm not the only one saying that. I'm not crazy. (Unless it's a shared delusion by a bunch of fans picking up on the same imaginary things. Which you may opt to find more plausible, I won't hold it against you.)
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Post by Noxluxe on Oct 16, 2020 13:25:24 GMT
LOL, in the real world people set their lives on fire for a hot chick/guy all the time, yes. But I expect a show to follow through on the things previously established about the characters. And that was: mess with my family and you die. So bad writing is bad writing. Regardless of whether one supports the sibling romance or not. Hell, if Dex ended up with another Rita he was actually in love this time it would still have been OK. That would have made sense at least, even if boring. But I prefer boring to a trainwreck... I loved the book characters in their awful repulsive ways lol! The books were more believable because Dex is an actual psychopath there. That's another thing I hated about S8. The show spent 7 seasons establishing that Dexter has feelings and the ability to care for people. And that maybe he just kept telling himself that he's an unfeeling monster to cope with his trauma and because Harry kind of manipulated him. It was always a pinocchio story. Only to have this fucked up psychologist show up and retcon everything last minute and tell the audience that Dexter doesn't actually love anybody because psychopaths are incapable of it. What the actual fuck?! There is no such drama in the books. Dex really never loved Rita. He's callous and it's funny how he tries to act normal. And so of course he's teaching the kids how to be successful monsters too. It was so silly, it was great. It was all so wonderfully delightfully wrong. I read the books in English. Maybe I should reread them too and collect all the sexual references. They're really there, I'm not the only one saying that. I'm not crazy. (Unless it's a shared delusion by a bunch of fans picking up on the same imaginary things. Which you may opt to find more plausible, I won't hold it against you.) Yup, the show did some really weird things with his character. I understand them diverging from him being a true psychopath because it's much harder to portray such a thing as being entertaining on screen as opposed to from the character's own viewpoint in a book. But his social skills and ability to even pretend to relate to people seemed to consistently regress from season to season, even though each one ostensibly taught him another lesson about being human. By the time Rita died and he started 'reacting' to that by hallucinating his brother and banging gas station attendants I simply couldn't swallow it anymore. I very much appreciated what they did with Rita, though. In the books she's just an airhead who's too busy confusing herself to finish her own sentences, let alone put two and two together concerning her husband's extracurricular activities. The show made her an actual person, and a pretty cool one at that. And while Cody as Dexter's little apprentice is one of my favorite storylines in the books, I can totally see why the idea might have been too dark for television.
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Post by dazk on Oct 17, 2020 23:20:52 GMT
Having watched the Challenger documentary I've tried a couple more on Netflix. American Murder: The Family Next Door was fascinating in that most of it was original footage filmed by the victim, and from the body cam of the cop coming to investigate that day, and from the interrogation room. Worth a watch, but then I'd suggest googling the case to see the info the documentary left out. (There were much worse things that they didn't mention) The big surprise for me was Wild Wild Country. I clicked on it randomly, a show about an Indian cult setting up shop in Oregon didn't inspire me at all but OMG I binge watched the whole series in less than a week. It's really about politics, religion, prejudice, and how people bend the rules in the United States to try and get what they want, then spiral out of control when it doesn't work. Everything happened in the 80s so you get the full picture with all the consequences, and what happened next to all the participants. It was brilliantly told, with the story of the Oregonians clashing with the hippy sex cultists getting crazier and crazier each episode. If you wrote it ppl would say it was too far fetched, but all of this happened and the story is told by those who were there. So if it doesn't appeal to you, go try it anyway. It's a hell of a ride. And in the end I sympathised mostly with the Republican, gun wielding cowboys the most. Who knew? I watched the Challenger Doco and it was well done, can't say I enjoyed it much a lot of it was very sad but it was very insightful and interesting. I couldn't believe the guy who made the decision for them to fly said what he said at the end of the documentary. Don't remember exactly but it was basically that he would make the same decision again given the same situation and that he didn't seem to regret it at all. Thanks for recommending it.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Oct 17, 2020 23:39:32 GMT
Having watched the Challenger documentary I've tried a couple more on Netflix. American Murder: The Family Next Door was fascinating in that most of it was original footage filmed by the victim, and from the body cam of the cop coming to investigate that day, and from the interrogation room. Worth a watch, but then I'd suggest googling the case to see the info the documentary left out. (There were much worse things that they didn't mention) The big surprise for me was Wild Wild Country. I clicked on it randomly, a show about an Indian cult setting up shop in Oregon didn't inspire me at all but OMG I binge watched the whole series in less than a week. It's really about politics, religion, prejudice, and how people bend the rules in the United States to try and get what they want, then spiral out of control when it doesn't work. Everything happened in the 80s so you get the full picture with all the consequences, and what happened next to all the participants. It was brilliantly told, with the story of the Oregonians clashing with the hippy sex cultists getting crazier and crazier each episode. If you wrote it ppl would say it was too far fetched, but all of this happened and the story is told by those who were there. So if it doesn't appeal to you, go try it anyway. It's a hell of a ride. And in the end I sympathised mostly with the Republican, gun wielding cowboys the most. Who knew? I watched the Challenger Doco and it was well done, can't say I enjoyed it much a lot of it was very sad but it was very insightful and interesting. I couldn't believe the guy who made the decision for them to fly said what he said at the end of the documentary. Don't remember exactly but it was basically that he would make the same decision again given the same situation and that he didn't seem to regret it at all. Thanks for recommending it. Oh you're welcome, I'm glad someone else saw it I enjoyed the first 3, all the old footage was cool. The fourth was definitely wobbly lip territory, NASA should never be allowed to forget what they did. That guy was saying that he made a sound management decison, where the risk didn't seem bad enough to hold off and cost them more time, and in that way I get what he meant. I bet many similar decisions are made by governments which work out well in the end. This one however.... I think his admission was pointing to a bigger problem. It's the system, the pressure put on by the government and the fact thst managers had the final say, not engineers, that's the real issue. Which was proved when it all happened again with Columbia. If another guy had his job, he'd probably have done the same
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Post by dazk on Oct 18, 2020 0:48:13 GMT
I watched the Challenger Doco and it was well done, can't say I enjoyed it much a lot of it was very sad but it was very insightful and interesting. I couldn't believe the guy who made the decision for them to fly said what he said at the end of the documentary. Don't remember exactly but it was basically that he would make the same decision again given the same situation and that he didn't seem to regret it at all. Thanks for recommending it. Oh you're welcome, I'm glad someone else saw it I enjoyed the first 3, all the old footage was cool. The fourth was definitely wobbly lip territory, NASA should never be allowed to forget what they did. That guy was saying that he made a sound management decison, where the risk didn't seem bad enough to hold off and cost them more time, and in that way I get what he meant. I bet many similar decisions are made by governments which work out well in the end. This one however.... I think his admission was pointing to a bigger problem. It's the system, the pressure put on by the government and the fact thst managers had the final say, not engineers, that's the real issue. Which was proved when it all happened again with Columbia. If another guy had his job, he'd probably have done the same Oh I shed tears a few times, it was just so sad seeing the families and kids watching the launch and realising what had happened. The evidence was overwhelming and engineering clearly stated they didn't think they should launch. Did they actually show any pressure from the government etc. to launch or was the guy leading the team a government flunky? I think he made the decision because he didn't want another delay and for whatever reason it was the wrong one and he has to accept responsibility. Saying he'd make the same decision again I thought was incredulous. Again thanks for recommending it as I said it was a really interesting and insightful doco.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Oct 18, 2020 12:14:56 GMT
Oh you're welcome, I'm glad someone else saw it I enjoyed the first 3, all the old footage was cool. The fourth was definitely wobbly lip territory, NASA should never be allowed to forget what they did. That guy was saying that he made a sound management decison, where the risk didn't seem bad enough to hold off and cost them more time, and in that way I get what he meant. I bet many similar decisions are made by governments which work out well in the end. This one however.... I think his admission was pointing to a bigger problem. It's the system, the pressure put on by the government and the fact thst managers had the final say, not engineers, that's the real issue. Which was proved when it all happened again with Columbia. If another guy had his job, he'd probably have done the same Oh I shed tears a few times, it was just so sad seeing the families and kids watching the launch and realising what had happened. The evidence was overwhelming and engineering clearly stated they didn't think they should launch. Did they actually show any pressure from the government etc. to launch or was the guy leading the team a government flunky? I think he made the decision because he didn't want another delay and for whatever reason it was the wrong one and he has to accept responsibility. Saying he'd make the same decision again I thought was incredulous. Again thanks for recommending it as I said it was a really interesting and insightful doco. NASA promised the government they'd launch a certain number of missions in a specific time frame, and they got the go ahead based on that. They ran behind badly and needed to catch up to ensure they kept being funded. His decision was a symptom of bad management and pressure from above, along with a lack of respect for the engineers.
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