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Post by Queen Skadi on May 30, 2018 20:02:07 GMT
Yet when they actually get released they are usually such disappointments? Sure there are a lot of Bethesda fanboys who don't know any better and who's only barometer for judging the quality of a game is the amount of hours of content the game has but while Bethesda games usually have a lot of content it is usually the most shallow and dull content you can imagine, little more than a list of tasks and items to collect for 100% completion as you strive to be leader of every guild and group in the land despite their often times conflicting natures and goals.
Now we got Fallout 76 coming despite knowing little about it other than speculation all it takes to get the internet roused into a frenzy is a live stream featuring nothing but a bobblehead and a television showing the emergency standby signal, why?
Also I take it we wont be seeing Starbound this year as all rumours before hand suggested (just like last year and the year before suggested as well)?
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Post by Pounce de León on May 30, 2018 20:10:50 GMT
Ah, so that's why the Fallout thread was renamed? Dint notice any hype yet.
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Post by SofaJockey on May 30, 2018 20:19:04 GMT
Because I never played a Bethesda Games Studios game I didn't enjoy.
Alongside BioWare, they are my favorite developer.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 30, 2018 20:21:17 GMT
Yet when they actually get released they are usually such disappointments? Sure there are a lot of Bethesda fanboys who don't know any better and who's only barometer for judging the quality of a game is the amount of hours of content the game has but while Bethesda games usually have a lot of content it is usually the most shallow and dull content you can imagine, little more than a list of tasks and items to collect for 100% completion as you strive to be leader of every guild and group in the land despite their often times conflicting natures and goals.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 20:22:03 GMT
Because they're Bethesda, that's why.
It pretty much speaks for itself.
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Post by SofaJockey on May 30, 2018 20:25:35 GMT
And Pete Hines is a boss when it comes to marketing...  |
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Post by AnDromedary on May 30, 2018 20:26:53 GMT
Bethesda did consistently make very good and technically challenging games for the past 20 years or so now. You may not have liked them but they were all very well received in general and their open world design and implementation was top notch in all iterations of the Fallout and TES franchise.
I am also not that big a fan of the Bethesda formula, I need more story, deeper characters and better presentation of dialogue but even then, I can appreciate the quality of Bethesda games and the effort and love for detail that is put into them.
For the new game I am not hyped at all though (rather the contrary) because I am neither looking forward to yet another iteration of the Fallout style (that we've had so many times now already) nor am I interested in online features. I am a bit salty because I was really hoping for a Bethsda style game in a new environment. Very disappointed that we probably won't see it any time soon.
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Post by Queen Skadi on May 30, 2018 20:32:44 GMT
And Pete Hines is a boss when it comes to marketing... Is he really? All he did was put up a 24 hour stream where nothing of interest happened and people went nuts, he could have shown continuous footage of Todd Howard taking a dump and still achieve the same effect. Honestly if any other studio did the same thing put up a 24 hour stream where random but ultimately inconsequential things happen would anyone even care or tune in? The only reason this works for Bethesda is because they are Bethesda and for some reason anything they do generates insane amounts of hype for some reason. Do you think it would be the same story if Super Giant Games did the same thing? |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 30, 2018 20:38:29 GMT
Honestly if any other studio did the same thing put up a 24 hour stream where random but ultimately inconsequential things happen would anyone even care or tune in? The only reason this works for Bethesda is because they are Bethesda and for some reason anything they do generates insane amounts of hype for some reason. Do you think it would be the same story if Super Giant Games did the same thing? Blizzard did something similar for Overwatch around Christmas time and it was well-received, and it didn't even have a reveal trailer at the end of it. A lot of people realize that stuff like that is done for the fun of fans and devs alike. |
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Post by Queen Skadi on May 30, 2018 20:39:38 GMT
Bethesda did consistently make very good and technically challenging games for the past 20 years or so now. You may not have liked them but they were all very well received in general and their open world design and implementation was top notch in all iterations of the Fallout and TES franchise. I am also not that big a fan of the Bethesda formula, I need more story, deeper characters and better presentation of dialogue but even then, I can appreciate the quality of Bethesda games and the effort and love for detail that is put into them. For the new game I am not hyped at all though (rather the contrary) because I am neither looking forward to yet another iteration of the Fallout style (that we've had so many times now already) nor am I interested in online features. I am a bit salty because I was really hoping for a Bethsda style game in a new environment. Very disappointed that we probably won't see it any time soon. technically challenging? In what way? Also I would argue that for the themes of their games and what they are supposed to represent the implementation of their open world formula fails in many key areas but I am not sure anyone would really be interested in hearing how so I will leave it at that. |
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Post by AnDromedary on May 30, 2018 20:51:28 GMT
technically challenging? In what way? Building an open world of that size and with that level of fidelity, including ll the gamepay features and NPC interactions, while keeping the streaming of data and interaction between the different different cells coherent and running on consumer hardware is technically challenging. From Daggerfall to Skyrim, people were amazed at Bethesda's technologies, even those that didn't necessarily like the games that much.
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Post by Hrungr on May 30, 2018 21:01:48 GMT
While they don't have the well-rounded characters and same level of quality in their major quests as BioWare, they leverage their own strengths very well. There's this simple joy in just "hanging out" in their games. The ambiance in their games is something else, especially modded (more on that later). People go about their daily (and nightly) routines, they always include a lot of little fun side things to do in their games, their excellent music scores that elevate their games, decent enough gameplay, and there's just something about them that's hard to put into words. Emergent gameplay & storylines are another of their big strengths. The enormous modding community keeps not only their games fresh, but also keeps them in the *positive* media spotlight, month after month, year after year. Skyrim is essentially an evergreen game for them between the modders keeping awareness high, and cranking out a new version every year or two...  |
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Post by SofaJockey on May 30, 2018 21:03:14 GMT
Is he really? All he did was put up a 24 hour stream where nothing of interest happened and people went nuts, he could have shown continuous footage of Todd Howard taking a dump and still achieve the same effect. Honestly if any other studio did the same thing put up a 24 hour stream where random but ultimately inconsequential things happen would anyone even care or tune in? The only reason this works for Bethesda is because they are Bethesda and for some reason anything they do generates insane amounts of hype for some reason. Do you think it would be the same story if Super Giant Games did the same thing? It just works... |
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Post by Queen Skadi on May 30, 2018 21:15:24 GMT
Is he really? All he did was put up a 24 hour stream where nothing of interest happened and people went nuts, he could have shown continuous footage of Todd Howard taking a dump and still achieve the same effect. Honestly if any other studio did the same thing put up a 24 hour stream where random but ultimately inconsequential things happen would anyone even care or tune in? The only reason this works for Bethesda is because they are Bethesda and for some reason anything they do generates insane amounts of hype for some reason. Do you think it would be the same story if Super Giant Games did the same thing? It just works...  |
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Post by SofaJockey on May 30, 2018 21:19:21 GMT
It just works... 'Lies video' What lies are we talking about exactly? |
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Post by Queen Skadi on May 30, 2018 21:23:27 GMT
technically challenging? In what way? Building an open world of that size and with that level of fidelity, including ll the gamepay features and NPC interactions, while keeping the streaming of data and interaction between the different different cells coherent and running on consumer hardware is technically challenging. From Daggerfall to Skyrim, people were amazed at Bethesda's technologies, even those that didn't necessarily like the games that much.
Haven't other games already caught up and surpassed them in this area though? I mean if you look at all the open world games that have been released in recent years what really makes Bethesda games special? Besides it is hard for me to take Bethesda's technical prowess to seriously when this is usually the result. I have no doubt that taking into account the locations of all NPCs and items in a large open world is challenging however when they fall so short on so many other areas you do have to wonder how good they really are, besides I am not really one to care too much about the technical proficiency of a game if it really isn't that fun or interesting to play. I am sure No Man's Sky is a tremendous achievement for a small indie studio but if it isn't fun to play is it really worth playing? |
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Post by Queen Skadi on May 30, 2018 21:24:20 GMT
What lies are we talking about exactly? |
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Post by azarhal on May 30, 2018 21:30:17 GMT
They didn't use to be that hyped outside the normal fan following which with Morrowind and Oblivion wasn't that "big". There is a clear difference between pre and post Fallout 3 I think. I mean people wanted to play Oblivion, but the fan following didn't have the craziness we saw with Skyrim and Fallout 4 pre-release.
In fact, I think everything* is more hyped since about 2010, whatever the game. It's like people reading comprehension and expectation management skills took a nosedive that year and it haven't recovered since.
*outside BioWare games, where each new games seems to attract more vitriol before they are even released since DA2 was announced.
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Post by SofaJockey on May 30, 2018 21:32:50 GMT
What lies are we talking about exactly? 'Oblivion video' Nice video, I adored Oblivion. What lies are we talking about exactly? |
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Post by Queen Skadi on May 30, 2018 22:13:39 GMT
Nice video, I adored Oblivion. What lies are we talking about exactly? It doesn't work if you have to explain the joke but The original video I posted was more of a tongue in cheek jab at the "it just works" line that was a reference to a line said by Todd Howard that is usually brought up to make fun of the fact that things in Elder Scrolls/ Bethesda made fallout games don't work very well. However the second video was showcasing a very clear lie by Todd Howard and whoever recorded the gameplay footage for that video showcasing what is clearly scripted encounters being passed off as random behavior that is supposed to occur as part of the radiant AI system. |
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Post by Queen Skadi on May 30, 2018 22:19:28 GMT
They didn't use to be that hyped outside the normal fan following which with Morrowind and Oblivion wasn't that "big". There is a clear difference between pre and post Fallout 3 I think. I mean people wanted to play Oblivion, but the fan following didn't have the craziness we saw with Skyrim and Fallout 4 pre-release. In fact, I think everything* is more hyped since about 2010, whatever the game. It's like people reading comprehension and expectation management skills took a nosedive that year and it haven't recovered since. *outside BioWare games, where each new games seems to attract more vitriol before they are even released since DA2 was announced. True enough though I would argue that there was still a fair bit of hype surrounding the launch and showcasing of Oblivion though as you said it was not anywhere near the levels of post Oblivion games and probably had less to do with name recognition and more to do with the fact that at the time it did look genuinely impressive. As for Morrowind I personally did not know about it until a year or 2 after it had been released and I thought it was a great game with a lot of promise when I played it, so when I saw Oblivion I was hoping they kept what made Morrowind great yet fixed a lot of the problems that held it back from being brilliant, unfortunately while they did fix some of the problems they also stripped a lot of what made Morrowind great and set it in a blander world with more restrictions and the trend only continued with each new game they released. |
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on May 30, 2018 23:40:42 GMT
The Bethesda forumula doesn't work for me - with both Morrowind and Oblivion I played for a few hours then got bored and gave up, so I've not yet bothered to buy Skyrim. However, it's clear that there are many, many people who love that formula and genuinely enjoy their particular stype of open world RPG.
As for what they've got over other open world games - probably the RPG elements which allow people to make their own characters.
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Post by copper on May 31, 2018 3:18:33 GMT
The Elder Scrolls series is arguably what got me into rpgs. Skyrim was my first. But I went back and played Morrowind and Oblivion and got obsessed with them just as much. For me it was all about the creativity in creating your own character with their own story (I usually ignored the main quest in those games). And while I'll always have a fondness for Bethesda for that, open world games just don't give me the same enjoyment anymore.
I think one key thing for Bethesda is they're overall pretty consistent with their open world formula. Fans generally know what to expect going into a new Fallout or Elder Scrolls. Modern Bioware is the opposite. Each Dragon Age game experiments with a completely different play style. Don't get me wrong, I adore Dragon Age, but I understand why fans can be disappointed; normally consistency within a series is to be expected, after all.
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Post by JayKay on May 31, 2018 4:43:56 GMT
There are definitely flaws with their games, but for me I'm specifically more into Fallout. I really love the stories, lore, and overall aesthetic of that series that I'm willing to look past the flaws at times.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on May 31, 2018 4:43:56 GMT
Of Bethesda Softworks' published games, I only like the Dishonored series. I tried ESIV Oblivion and thought it a disappointment / joke when I finished it. Tried FO3 and didn't like it. So for Bethesda, I don't expect them to publish a game I would like and never paid any attention to the buzz.
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