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Post by Sanunes on Jun 26, 2018 5:49:06 GMT
No. There is no one group of people out there with the exact same tastes I think the internet commentators need to grow up and understand that. They are welcome to speak for themselves in what they want to see, but I am getting extremely tired of people claiming they are speaking for me. I have been playing BioWare games for decades now I am pretty sure I would classify as a traditional BioWare fan as well and I am okay with the coverage, it just hasn't made my decision final yet. Just because what they are showing isn't what those people want to see my response is tough. Those systems might not be finished or ready for show yet and they are showing what they want to or have far enough along in development they want to demonstrate. If there are specific things people want to see before buying the game, do the unimaginable and wait for the game to be released and then look for information elsewhere. There will be plenty of YouTube coverage criticizing every aspect of the game so they can see how horrible everything is for themselves. For Anthem, I agree. This is BioWare's attempt to do something like Jade Empire and I'm ready. Okay... Andromeda was a complete bust for me thanks to killing the DLC. ME3, I got over it with the Extended Ending. I got over Inquisition's rough start on PC, but damn... they filled it out. I love all the one-and-done Black Isle games and the Baldur's Gate series, but screw playing another isometric game when you have Frostbite. I'm in wait and see mode and I KNOW there will be YouTube criticisms (though I sense some of the critics will be looking for SJW stuff while others delve into the storytelling) and I don't expect them to turn into a feeding frenzy for negative reasons. Actually, I'm pretty sure the reception is going to be positive despite EA's fricking ridiculous sorry PR. EA's PR has never been good, even when they have had good things to talk about its been the developers on Twitter or elsewhere that are the ones promoting it and not EA at their conferences.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 26, 2018 5:52:17 GMT
That's kind of the point of the article. Not that Bethesda did a better job about getting people excited, but a better job at getting the game's target audience excited. The drew very clear lines about what kind of game it was and what to look forward to. And yes, that made a lot of traditional Fallout fans unhappy, but Bethesda also had "there will be something for our more traditional players coming down the pipeline" as well. Whereas BW stuck to the same marketing jargon they've been using with Anthem for the last year or so: "it's a looter-shooter, but by BW, so it'll be totally different, guys, you'll see!". They tried to play it off as the best of both worlds, but the audience was no-sold on unsubstantiated promises, so it just came off as wishy-washy. With how people reacted to the romance and combat companion things you should know exactly how people would have reacted and the YouTube videos that would have sprung up in moment about how "BioWare hates its fans" and other garbage. I don't see how Bethesda got people excited when more people are still wanting to know more about Anthem, but are going to ignore Fallout 76 because they were told its not for them. BioWare has made comments about Anthem, but they are always conveniently ignored until its something that makes clickbait and those are the only things remembered. They have talked about the conversation system, how it won't have romances, they are aiming for deep friendships with NPCs just not having combat companions. They have said plenty to get people interested if they actually wanted to be. Unlike Bethesda where people will cheer if they completely gut a game franchise for money, BioWare has to be careful because people will bitch and moan about anything in the game even if it was something they were asking for before. I remember how bent out of shape people got when Cassandra beat down a keep door herself in an early Dragon Age: Inquisition video or how people kept ignoring what BioWare was saying with "we will say more when we can" about Andromeda DLC. They would have taken anything BioWare said and twisted it to their own personal narrative and then tried to make clickbait YouTube money instead of actually talking about what BioWare said just their version of it. I'm actually willing to try Fallout 76, but only after the creation kit is out so modders can release the unofficial patch. You think I'm joking? I was needing Fallout 4 bad, but I waited until the 1.0 unofficial patch was released on the Nexus site. Once it was there, I bought it. I learned my lessons after Fallout 3 (holy cow. I needed an unofficial patch for every patch.) and NV. 4 was a lot of fun (shallow as hell) but yo, shallow or not... mods keep the game fresh and more to experiment with. Also, by the time 76 is released, any outrage over mods or the lack of them or whatever... will be over by the time the unofficial patch comes out.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 26, 2018 6:39:29 GMT
I'm actually willing to try Fallout 76, but only after the creation kit is out so modders can release the unofficial patch. You think I'm joking? I was needing Fallout 4 bad, but I waited until the 1.0 unofficial patch was released on the Nexus site. Once it was there, I bought it. I learned my lessons after Fallout 3 (holy cow. I needed an unofficial patch for every patch.) and NV. 4 was a lot of fun (shallow as hell) but yo, shallow or not... mods keep the game fresh and more to experiment with. Also, by the time 76 is released, any outrage over mods or the lack of them or whatever... will be over by the time the unofficial patch comes out. Its the online aspect of Fallout 76 that killed my interest, well that and the nuclear bomb that seems to be designed for griefing. I just don't have the confidence that Bethesda can support a product like that with how their games have run on my computer and require fan patches or mods to make the games work. If it was a single player experience that I could fix and make work properly then I could see myself giving it a try. The other point of concern is I remember them saying mods will come eventually and be localized to that group of people, but I just can't shake that it will feel like playing Fallout 4 on the console where everything was far more limited and cannot see fan patches working if there is any type of handshake with a Bethesda server to prevent unauthorized players.
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Post by correctamundo on Jun 29, 2018 23:15:55 GMT
I'm actually willing to try Fallout 76, but only after the creation kit is out so modders can release the unofficial patch. You think I'm joking? I was needing Fallout 4 bad, but I waited until the 1.0 unofficial patch was released on the Nexus site. Once it was there, I bought it. I learned my lessons after Fallout 3 (holy cow. I needed an unofficial patch for every patch.) and NV. 4 was a lot of fun (shallow as hell) but yo, shallow or not... mods keep the game fresh and more to experiment with. Also, by the time 76 is released, any outrage over mods or the lack of them or whatever... will be over by the time the unofficial patch comes out. Its the online aspect of Fallout 76 that killed my interest, well that and the nuclear bomb that seems to be designed for griefing. I just don't have the confidence that Bethesda can support a product like that with how their games have run on my computer and require fan patches or mods to make the games work. If it was a single player experience that I could fix and make work properly then I could see myself giving it a try. The other point of concern is I remember them saying mods will come eventually and be localized to that group of people, but I just can't shake that it will feel like playing Fallout 4 on the console where everything was far more limited and cannot see fan patches working if there is any type of handshake with a Bethesda server to prevent unauthorized players. People are misinterprating the nukes in FO76, it won't be possible to really grief with them. Instead the blastzone will be a chance for great loot.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jun 30, 2018 3:00:41 GMT
People are misinterprating the nukes in FO76, it won't be possible to really grief with them. Instead the blastzone will be a chance for great loot. I want to believe that, I really do, but how would that work? The targeting system would have to disallow targeting settlements. I guess that's possible if settlements are fairly far apart, but that opens up a reverse grief, where you put placeholder settlements across the Wasteland, spaced just close enough to prevent any targeting of anything in range of the silo.
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 30, 2018 5:25:10 GMT
Naah...
That train left the station a long time ago. Besides, it wouldn't work. There will be bitching galore, 'cause Bio failed to follow the "script".
EA/Bio themselves mentioned they want to attract "new" players.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Jun 30, 2018 7:33:06 GMT
They should but they won’t.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 30, 2018 7:36:32 GMT
They shouldn't, but they will try.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 30, 2018 12:08:03 GMT
Who are these old Bioware RPG fans you speak of? People like me who cut their teeth on KOTOR? Or the general Bioware fan who has played through the many games and for the most part enjoyed them all? I can tell you one thing...every iteration has had its group of doomsayers, pre- and/or post-launch...prophesying the demise of Bioware, and yet they are the largest they've ever been. This game will be no different. Bioware has continued to evolve...and as a longtime fan it's something I appreciate despite at times being frustrated by some of the missteps. The gaming landscape is changing to accommodate a generation that is all about connectivity. Maybe these old Bioware RPG fans should try to evolve themselves...otherwise they may find themselves with no options at all. I would speculate that for most it boils down to being afraid of playing in a public forum where they may "embarrass" themselves with their gameplay.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 30, 2018 12:45:53 GMT
Who are these old Bioware RPG fans you speak of? People like me who cut their teeth on KOTOR? Or the general Bioware fan who has played through the many games and for the most part enjoyed them all? I can tell you one thing...every iteration has had its group of doomsayers, pre- and/or post-launch...prophesying the demise of Bioware, and yet they are the largest they've ever been. This game will be no different. Bioware has continued to evolve...and as a longtime fan it's something I appreciate despite at times being frustrated by some of the missteps. The gaming landscape is changing to accommodate a generation that is all about connectivity. Maybe these old Bioware RPG fans should try to evolve themselves...otherwise they may find themselves with no options at all. I would speculate that for most it boils down to being afraid of playing in a public forum where they may "embarrass" themselves with their gameplay. I agree completely. It seems anymore that everyone tries to make everything into a "us versus them" type of situation and everyone that might have interest similar to them feels the exact same way. I have been playing BioWare games since the first Baldur's Gate game was released and frankly BioWare is doing a fine job attracting my interest in their games. I might not like them all the same way, but my interest is there. I really think the title should be renamed to "Should BioWare be trying to attract ME?" For in our society there are vastly different interests and likes and what we saw with Andromeda is that even if BioWare trying to attract what people claim they like they are still going to look for reasons to be pissy about something in the game because its not 100% what they want.
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Post by simit on Jun 30, 2018 12:52:22 GMT
No, they should just make what they want to an if someone dont like it well tough an if you do like well great.
I could sit here an type out, to me, valid criticisms of BioWare games new and old but i wont simply because, again for me, if there games got so unenjoyable and/or something i had zero interest in i'd just move along an wish them luck as i've done in the past when games have went a direction i disliked
BG is different from kotor which is different from ME which is different from DA which is different from swtor which will be different from Anthem, all different in some way to each other an all doing things each of us like or dislike but i for one have enjoyed all an even though i will 100% encounter things in Anthem i dislike i've no worries about enjoying it. So for this guy, no BioWare just make what you want and if anything react to fans less
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Post by deus on Jun 30, 2018 13:16:33 GMT
No they shouldn't with this game. Let DA4 capture that crowd since most of those fans aren't going to get Anthem anyway.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jun 30, 2018 17:34:17 GMT
No they shouldn't with this game. Let DA4 capture that crowd since most of those fans aren't going to get Anthem anyway.We'll see about that. I'd be more worried about DA4 continuing the trend to more Action RPG than RPG and how that's going to sit with the old guard. There was already a bit of grumbling about how dumbed down Tactical was in DAI, combat was too busy, etc., etc.
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Post by simit on Jun 30, 2018 18:23:13 GMT
TBH it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to see DA go full ARPG, not that i would mind either
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jul 1, 2018 0:55:20 GMT
They should not since it is obvious they are not going to give them what they have come to expect in a Bioware game in Anthem... why lie to them to try to attract them?
Oh wait...because EA wants them to save face and maximize profits by selling a product to a fan base who us expecting something they know it is not going to be delivered (like bungie did).
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Post by SofaJockey on Jul 1, 2018 7:08:13 GMT
Oh wait...because EA wants them to save face and maximize profits by selling a product to a fan base who us expecting something they know it is not going to be delivered (like bungie did). I think BioWare has been pretty transparent about Anthem since E3, particularly Mark Darrah.
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 1, 2018 11:56:00 GMT
Oh wait...because EA wants them to save face and maximize profits by selling a product to a fan base who us expecting something they know it is not going to be delivered (like bungie did). I think BioWare has been pretty transparent about Anthem since E3, particularly Mark Darrah. That is how I felt as well, if anything the are doing more to discourage the "old BioWare fans" for they are talking about how things like combat companions or romances won't be in the game.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jul 1, 2018 13:19:08 GMT
Oh wait...because EA wants them to save face and maximize profits by selling a product to a fan base who us expecting something they know it is not going to be delivered (like bungie did). I think BioWare has been pretty transparent about Anthem since E3, particularly Mark Darrah. do I need to remind you of the "this game will feel definitely Bioware" line when referring to single player campaign? That does not seen like honest transparency to me But I will give you it is not a bare face lie
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 1, 2018 14:12:42 GMT
I think BioWare has been pretty transparent about Anthem since E3, particularly Mark Darrah. do I need to remind you of the "this game will feel definitely Bioware" line when referring to single player campaign? That does not seen like honest transparency to me But I will give you it is not a bare face lie Feel is pretty subjective and it is coming across as if like you are stretching. It has been said there isn't romances or combat companions, that is transparency to me. Edit: They have also said the game can be played solo if you wish, how the quests are perceived to an individual is going to be subjective and cannot be answered with a definite "yes" or "no" type of answer. Otherwise then it could be misleading, but their goal is to make the quests seem to be the same.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jul 1, 2018 15:46:55 GMT
do I need to remind you of the "this game will feel definitely Bioware" line when referring to single player campaign? That does not seen like honest transparency to me But I will give you it is not a bare face lie Sounds perfectly viable given who made it.
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Post by linksocarina on Jul 1, 2018 17:20:19 GMT
Who are these old Bioware RPG fans you speak of? People like me who cut their teeth on KOTOR? Or the general Bioware fan who has played through the many games and for the most part enjoyed them all? I can tell you one thing...every iteration has had its group of doomsayers, pre- and/or post-launch...prophesying the demise of Bioware, and yet they are the largest they've ever been. This game will be no different. Bioware has continued to evolve...and as a longtime fan it's something I appreciate despite at times being frustrated by some of the missteps. The gaming landscape is changing to accommodate a generation that is all about connectivity. Maybe these old Bioware RPG fans should try to evolve themselves...otherwise they may find themselves with no options at all. I would speculate that for most it boils down to being afraid of playing in a public forum where they may "embarrass" themselves with their gameplay. The fans of Shattered Steel, obviously!
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Post by helios969 on Jul 1, 2018 17:40:45 GMT
Who are these old Bioware RPG fans you speak of? People like me who cut their teeth on KOTOR? Or the general Bioware fan who has played through the many games and for the most part enjoyed them all? I can tell you one thing...every iteration has had its group of doomsayers, pre- and/or post-launch...prophesying the demise of Bioware, and yet they are the largest they've ever been. This game will be no different. Bioware has continued to evolve...and as a longtime fan it's something I appreciate despite at times being frustrated by some of the missteps. The gaming landscape is changing to accommodate a generation that is all about connectivity. Maybe these old Bioware RPG fans should try to evolve themselves...otherwise they may find themselves with no options at all. I would speculate that for most it boils down to being afraid of playing in a public forum where they may "embarrass" themselves with their gameplay. The fans of Shattered Steel, obviously! <iframe width="23.960000000000036" height="6.699999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 23.960000000000036px; height: 6.699999999999989px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_92255169" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="23.960000000000036" height="6.699999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 6.7px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1138px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_27977160" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="23.960000000000036" height="6.699999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 6.7px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 272px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_21262807" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="23.960000000000036" height="6.699999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 6.7px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1138px; top: 272px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_61551480" scrolling="no"></iframe> I had to look that up to understand the reference...but lol. Talk about old school.
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Post by Cannibal on Jul 1, 2018 18:36:40 GMT
Why would BioWare market a game to people when the game isn't designed with them in mind? BioWare have their audience for this game, and it isn't anybody that have previously bought a BioWare game.
It's a choice they've made, personally I don't see Anthem succeeding in a world with all the other shooter games out there. Hell, I don't even see these new CoDs and Battlefields succeeding with the way Fortnite is pushing forward. But that's the problem developers have when they don't have an original idea and they try to copy a game that's already come out. The original and creative developers are going to push the limits, the lame ones are going to get stuck in the mud. That's Anthem. A game that may have done well in 2016 but in 2019, it's dead.
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Post by bshep on Jul 1, 2018 18:55:57 GMT
Game is being developed since ME3 release, so saying it copied Destiny is untrue. Also with the way Bungie dropped the ball with their sequel (Destiny 2) i dare to say the market for this type of genre is open for a game like Anthem.
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Post by helios969 on Jul 1, 2018 20:00:02 GMT
Why would BioWare market a game to people when the game isn't designed with them in mind? BioWare have their audience for this game, and it isn't anybody that have previously bought a BioWare game. It's a choice they've made, personally I don't see Anthem succeeding in a world with all the other shooter games out there. Hell, I don't even see these new CoDs and Battlefields succeeding with the way Fortnite is pushing forward. But that's the problem developers have when they don't have an original idea and they try to copy a game that's already come out. The original and creative developers are going to push the limits, the lame ones are going to get stuck in the mud. That's Anthem. A game that may have done well in 2016 but in 2019, it's dead.Really? That's 100% certainty? Maybe. It's just as likely to be the next "great" thing. More likely, it'll be a moderately successful game that satisfies a niche. It's hard to prognosticate what is going to catch on with gamers at large. Skyrim for all its success wasn't particularly innovative or original...it was the right thing at the right time. DAI tried to copy that success (and was infinitely better imo) but cannot touch Skyrim in gaming lore. The gaming community are a fickle lot. I know Bioware/EA want to sell 10 million copies (who wouldn't?) but if it manages 5 million it's still successful. I think it will hit that mark.
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