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Post by Iakus on Jul 1, 2018 21:22:15 GMT
No, they should just make what they want to an if someone dont like it well tough an if you do like well great. I could sit here an type out, to me, valid criticisms of BioWare games new and old but i wont simply because, again for me, if there games got so unenjoyable and/or something i had zero interest in i'd just move along an wish them luck as i've done in the past when games have went a direction i disliked BG is different from kotor which is different from ME which is different from DA which is different from swtor which will be different from Anthem, all different in some way to each other an all doing things each of us like or dislike but i for one have enjoyed all an even though i will 100% encounter things in Anthem i dislike i've no worries about enjoying it. So for this guy, no BioWare just make what you want and if anything react to fans less BG, KOTOR, ME, and DA are all:
Single player narrative RPG storyline with a focus on companions, could be played offline, and did not have microtransactions.
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Post by simit on Jul 1, 2018 21:43:09 GMT
Hey both DA an ME had weapons an armour microtransactions but i guess because they was tagged as dlc they don't count an DA:I an ME3 ME:A had microtransactions aswell in there mp component but again i guess they dont count.
They've stated what the mxt will be in Anthem an i will lean to believing what they say as it be a bit of a double standard of me buying all the weapons an armours for both DA an ME series then having a problem with cosmetics just cause it online
Can you actually play dlc in any these games without being online? pretty sure it would never allow me, been awhile since i was on pc though tbh
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Post by rras1994 on Jul 1, 2018 21:51:20 GMT
Hey both DA an ME had weapons an armour microtransactions but i guess because they was tagged as dlc they don't count an DA:I an ME3 ME:A had microtransactions aswell in there mp component but again i guess they dont count. They've stated what the mxt will be in Anthem an i will lean to believing what they say as it be a bit of a double standard of me buying all the weapons an armours for both DA an ME series then having a problem with cosmetics just cause it online Can you actually play dlc in any these games without being online? pretty sure it would never allow me, been awhile since i was on pc though tbh You'll note he also deliberately left SWTOR out too, as well as the multiplayer sections in ME3,DAI and MEA cus they don't prove his point. And SWTOR is a 6 year old game, it's not a recent trend.
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Post by simit on Jul 1, 2018 22:07:32 GMT
yeah swtor, /Sigh i was such a barbie in that game
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Post by rras1994 on Jul 1, 2018 22:19:08 GMT
yeah swtor, /Sigh i was such a barbie in that game Space Barbie is best Barbie - may still have the problem O_O
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Post by bshep on Jul 1, 2018 22:19:17 GMT
Hey both DA an ME had weapons an armour microtransactions but i guess because they was tagged as dlc they don't count an DA:I an ME3 ME:A had microtransactions aswell in there mp component but again i guess they dont count. They've stated what the mxt will be in Anthem an i will lean to believing what they say as it be a bit of a double standard of me buying all the weapons an armours for both DA an ME series then having a problem with cosmetics just cause it online Can you actually play dlc in any these games without being online? pretty sure it would never allow me, been awhile since i was on pc though tbh Just tested. ME3 still check downloadable content on the main menu.
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Post by simit on Jul 1, 2018 22:25:40 GMT
Yeah think it same on console when loading a save "this dlc content cant be verified plz connect" or something, been awhile since i was offline tbh so may have changed
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Post by Addictress on Jul 1, 2018 22:58:10 GMT
I love the original Mass Effect trilogy and the first two Dragon Age games ( and Tresspasser) equally.
In spite of the fact I believe Witcher 3 is the greatest AAA RPG I have ever played, it still doesn't strike the same chord Bioware's old trilogies did as far as world-building, emotion, and character development go.
In other words, 'old' Bioware fulfilled a niche that __no other__ game developer has filled, or is able to currently fill. Not even CD Projekt Red.
So the reason I'm bitter and angry Bioware is taking this new direction and abandoning their old fans?
It isn't because I believe developers should be chained to old stuff. It's because I'm angry that they are vacating a position no one else can fill for me. I'm angry because there is a general dearth of character-rich (and also AAA-production-value) games that make me feel those romantic feelings - not necessarily like 'romance-romance' but the politics and individual drama - the romanticism in their stories.
No one else. No one else is delivering that right now, and I don't know if they ever will.
And they don't get that. They don't get how they're the only ones capable of doing that on that scale, and that that was sorely required by people like me. That the vaccuum in the culture left by that leaves me empty and alone, honestly. It was precious and important to me. And now it's not going to be there when I need it.
So that's why I'm bitter.
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Post by Addictress on Jul 1, 2018 23:01:28 GMT
So we shouldn't aim this toxicity at any specific developer. I suppose it's a sort of general distress and sorrow directed at....the entire industry and its lack of particular products that appeal to me.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jul 1, 2018 23:55:19 GMT
So we shouldn't aim this toxicity at any specific developer. I suppose it's a sort of general distress and sorrow directed at....the entire industry and its lack of particular products that appeal to me. why do you call it toxicity?
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Post by simit on Jul 2, 2018 0:34:05 GMT
I love the original Mass Effect trilogy and the first two Dragon Age games ( and Tresspasser) equally. In spite of the fact I believe Witcher 3 is the greatest AAA RPG I have ever played, it still doesn't strike the same chord Bioware's old trilogies did as far as world-building, emotion, and character development go. In other words, 'old' Bioware fulfilled a niche that __no other__ game developer has filled, or is able to currently fill. Not even CD Projekt Red. So the reason I'm bitter and angry Bioware is taking this new direction and abandoning their old fans? It isn't because I believe developers should be chained to old stuff. It's because I'm angry that they are vacating a position no one else can fill for me. I'm angry because there is a general dearth of character-rich (and also AAA-production-value) games that make me feel those romantic feelings - not necessarily like 'romance-romance' but the politics and individual drama - the romanticism in their stories. No one else. No one else is delivering that right now, and I don't know if they ever will. And they don't get that. They don't get how they're the only ones capable of doing that on that scale, and that that was sorely required by people like me. That the vaccuum in the culture left by that leaves me empty and alone, honestly. It was precious and important to me. And now it's not going to be there when I need it. So that's why I'm bitter. But haven't they already stated DA will continue as usual IE SP experience? an i honestly cant see Casey, of all ppl, allowing ME to be buried if he can help it regardless of ME:A's reception. The tidbit casey mentioned about a interest in smaller more focused games intrigued me, initially i had thoughts on a AA game like senua, focused, linear narrative an the stories BioWare could do there, it food for thought anyhow since tbh i've always wanted a more personal story with a romance that weaved through the main narrative an that seemed the best idea/approach, but then i prob misunderstood it completely lol
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Post by goishen on Jul 2, 2018 1:31:05 GMT
Yah, but they have two other games coming before they even get started on the Mass Effect. You'd be lucky to see it by 2025. Mass Effect, when it does come, won't be anything like Mass Effect we know and love. It will be Titanfall/CoD/Mass Effect combo that even if you pitched it to me with perfect writing, I'd still prolly turn my nose up at.
Luckily, we do have some hope for the near term, in the form of Starfield (Bethesda) and CyberPunk 2077 (CD Projekt Red). I was initially very wary of both, but after seeing some footage, I think I'm finally on board. We're gonna have to see about Fallout 76.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jul 2, 2018 1:40:41 GMT
personally I don't see Anthem succeeding in a world with all the other shooter games out there. Hell, I don't even see these new CoDs and Battlefields succeeding with the way Fortnite is pushing forward. That's the bigger headline, I agree. All PvP MP game forms are under pressure from BR in general, Fortnite in particular. Coop PvE might act as a counterweight, though. Not everyone loves PvP MP. But it does mean a smaller pie that more games have to fight over. Game is being developed since ME3 release, so saying it copied Destiny is untrue. "Copied," is the wrong term, agreed. "Similar to," I think is fair, though. Destiny and Division are closer in form and/or content than Fortnite, I don't think there's any disagreement about that. Whether that was by accident or intention, we'll never know, but it's a present day fact whatever the history may be.
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Post by Addictress on Jul 2, 2018 4:43:10 GMT
So we shouldn't aim this toxicity at any specific developer. I suppose it's a sort of general distress and sorrow directed at....the entire industry and its lack of particular products that appeal to me. why do you call it toxicity? The sort of abusive relationship that obsessed, RPG-starved consumers like myself develop with these studios where we try to make them our slaves and demand they perform services for us and then get angry when they don't. Via forums and twitter and such But I mean in that light, it's like my relationship with Starbucks is abusive in that I demand they make my coffee the way I like it and I complain when I don't. I make them my slave. Businesses are slaves to consumers. I don't know. Maybe it isn't abusive? I think contemporary culture sorta slaps the descriptor abusive on ANY situation in which one entity is like unwillingly doing something at all. And it's like Should a business have a will
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 2, 2018 5:25:48 GMT
why do you call it toxicity? The sort of abusive relationship that obsessed, RPG-starved consumers like myself develop with these studios where we try to make them our slaves and demand they perform services for us and then get angry when they don't. Via forums and twitter and such But I mean in that light, it's like my relationship with Starbucks is abusive in that I demand they make my coffee the way I like it and I complain when I don't. I make them my slave. Businesses are slaves to consumers. I don't know. Maybe it isn't abusive? I think contemporary culture sorta slaps the descriptor abusive on ANY situation in which one entity is like unwillingly doing something at all. And it's like Should a business have a will The difference is BioWare is expected to take all the abuse that goes beyond that, but if you start threatening the people that work at Starbucks you are arrested and charged. Talking about what you like and dislike is one thing and I am pretty sure the people that work at BioWare are fine with that, its when it goes beyond that level or holding them to a level that is unattainable. Think of it this way BioWare is designing Anthem not to have combat companions, which has a benefit in other areas of the game for they don't have to worry about AI for companions in the combat areas of the game which can give them more room to do other things. Expecting both combat companions and having the extra features if you don't have companions is the impossible.
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Post by bshep on Jul 2, 2018 5:45:03 GMT
If you go to a places that sells coffees types from A to E, it is okay to complain if you asked for a type C but got a E. But harassing the worker calling him/her incompetent and that they should be fired/killed is not okay.
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Post by Pearl on Jul 2, 2018 5:56:32 GMT
why do you call it toxicity? The sort of abusive relationship that obsessed, RPG-starved consumers like myself develop with these studios where we try to make them our slaves and demand they perform services for us and then get angry when they don't. Via forums and twitter and such But I mean in that light, it's like my relationship with Starbucks is abusive in that I demand they make my coffee the way I like it and I complain when I don't. I make them my slave. Businesses are slaves to consumers. I don't know. Maybe it isn't abusive? I think contemporary culture sorta slaps the descriptor abusive on ANY situation in which one entity is like unwillingly doing something at all. And it's like Should a business have a will The relationship is symbiotic, there is no master/slave dynamic involved anywhere. Without businesses, people wouldn't be able to acquire any modern goods or services unless they both knew how to create them and had the means to do so. Without customers, a business cannot survive as it would drown in its operational costs.
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Post by PillarBiter on Jul 2, 2018 6:49:05 GMT
I love the original Mass Effect trilogy and the first two Dragon Age games ( and Tresspasser) equally. In spite of the fact I believe Witcher 3 is the greatest AAA RPG I have ever played, it still doesn't strike the same chord Bioware's old trilogies did as far as world-building, emotion, and character development go. In other words, 'old' Bioware fulfilled a niche that __no other__ game developer has filled, or is able to currently fill. Not even CD Projekt Red. So the reason I'm bitter and angry Bioware is taking this new direction and abandoning their old fans? It isn't because I believe developers should be chained to old stuff. It's because I'm angry that they are vacating a position no one else can fill for me. I'm angry because there is a general dearth of character-rich (and also AAA-production-value) games that make me feel those romantic feelings - not necessarily like 'romance-romance' but the politics and individual drama - the romanticism in their stories. No one else. No one else is delivering that right now, and I don't know if they ever will. And they don't get that. They don't get how they're the only ones capable of doing that on that scale, and that that was sorely required by people like me. That the vaccuum in the culture left by that leaves me empty and alone, honestly. It was precious and important to me. And now it's not going to be there when I need it. So that's why I'm bitter. Hmm, I get that. A fair point and I'm sure many others feel like this and maybe incorrectly thus want anthem to fail.
But what I myself am hoping, is that they get all the action oriented stuff out of their system with anthem, and do dragon age 4 old style. That way, they have 2 AAA ways of working at bioware. If someone wants to work on more action type games, they work on the anthem team. If someone wants to do more tactical friendship games, they work on the dragon age team. It would satisfy all bioware memebers and all types of fans.
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Post by simit on Jul 2, 2018 10:59:48 GMT
They definitely wont do DA4 "old style" if anything it will go more action orientated, i wouldn't at all be surprised if when it was said DA was "rebooted" it was done so for visuals an gameplay in the wake of the success of HZD, GOW etc.
The one problem i personally had with DA:I visually wasn't the beautiful landscapes etc but that all the npc, including the pc, didnt look like they belonged, they all look like they been cut out of some other game an pasted onto the landscape that is DA:I, i still enjoyed the game but i can never shake the feeling none of them belong in that scenery.
Cant describe it any other way tbh but it the one thing Anthem seems to have got right just going by the first trailer of the freelancer moving through Tarsis an its my hope the npc visuals/assests, whatever there called, used in Anthem are whats going to be used for DA4, hence the use of the word "reboot"
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jul 2, 2018 12:10:45 GMT
why do you call it toxicity? The sort of abusive relationship that obsessed, RPG-starved consumers like myself develop with these studios where we try to make them our slaves and demand they perform services for us and then get angry when they don't. Via forums and twitter and such But I mean in that light, it's like my relationship with Starbucks is abusive in that I demand they make my coffee the way I like it and I complain when I don't. I make them my slave. Businesses are slaves to consumers. I don't know. Maybe it isn't abusive? I think contemporary culture sorta slaps the descriptor abusive on ANY situation in which one entity is like unwillingly doing something at all. And it's like Should a business have a will it's free market, they make choices that affect their businesses depending on the consumer's reactions. Remember what happened after ME3 was released? Anyway I gave an analogy in another thread. If you have a pizza joint you love and you go eat there all the time you have every right to be upset if they all of a sudden decide to make Chinese food instead especially since their pizza got worse while they were preparing for the switch. Consequently you will vote with your wallet and word of mouth will spread about your discontent as well as the discontent of others. Free market will do its thing and the situation will evolve from there. No one is forced into anything there are just decisions and consequences. You should not consider your voicing your opinions and your disappointment "toxicity". No criticism = no improvement. Also I know very well what you meant in your post, it pretty much mirrors why I am upset too (minus the fact that Bioware's poor leadership and decision making killed the ME franchise).
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Post by simit on Jul 2, 2018 12:27:21 GMT
I wouldnt throw insults or indeed bad mouth the pizza joint tbh, i'd go fair enough an move on or more likely try the chinese food, probably even wish them luck, but that just me an i deal with bigger problems than a pizza joint deciding to move to chinese food or a game company going in a different direction either for good or bad
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 2, 2018 12:47:16 GMT
The sort of abusive relationship that obsessed, RPG-starved consumers like myself develop with these studios where we try to make them our slaves and demand they perform services for us and then get angry when they don't. Via forums and twitter and such But I mean in that light, it's like my relationship with Starbucks is abusive in that I demand they make my coffee the way I like it and I complain when I don't. I make them my slave. Businesses are slaves to consumers. I don't know. Maybe it isn't abusive? I think contemporary culture sorta slaps the descriptor abusive on ANY situation in which one entity is like unwillingly doing something at all. And it's like Should a business have a will it's free market, they make choices that affect their businesses depending on the consumer's reactions. Remember what happened after ME3 was released? Anyway I gave an analogy in another thread. If you have a pizza joint you love and you go eat there all the time you have every right to be upset if they all of a sudden decide to make Chinese food instead especially since their pizza got worse while they were preparing for the switch. Consequently you will vote with your wallet and word of mouth will spread about your discontent as well as the discontent of others. Free market will do its thing and the situation will evolve from there. No one is forced into anything there are just decisions and consequences. You should not consider your voicing your opinions and your disappointment "toxicity". No criticism = no improvement. Also I know very well what you meant in your post, it pretty much mirrors why I am upset too (minus the fact that Bioware's poor leadership and decision making killed the ME franchise). Except that doesn't work to what is going on here. BioWare is still making "pizza" but they are changing the toppings because people have been giving feedback for what they want to see on their "pizza". There are a group of people that believe the "pizza place" should go out of business catering to what they want and only what they want and the rest of the people that live in that area should be ignored. So the "pizza place" has been giving notification of the change of "toppings" for over a year and a half.
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Post by Addictress on Jul 2, 2018 14:07:33 GMT
Bioware was the only pizza joint and EVERYONE ELSE SERVES CALZONES, AND THE WORLD IS NOW WITHOUT PIZZA FOREVER AND ITALY IS UPSET
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jul 2, 2018 23:44:31 GMT
it's free market, they make choices that affect their businesses depending on the consumer's reactions. Remember what happened after ME3 was released? Anyway I gave an analogy in another thread. If you have a pizza joint you love and you go eat there all the time you have every right to be upset if they all of a sudden decide to make Chinese food instead especially since their pizza got worse while they were preparing for the switch. Consequently you will vote with your wallet and word of mouth will spread about your discontent as well as the discontent of others. Free market will do its thing and the situation will evolve from there. No one is forced into anything there are just decisions and consequences. You should not consider your voicing your opinions and your disappointment "toxicity". No criticism = no improvement. Also I know very well what you meant in your post, it pretty much mirrors why I am upset too (minus the fact that Bioware's poor leadership and decision making killed the ME franchise). Except that doesn't work to what is going on here. BioWare is still making "pizza" but they are changing the toppings because people have been giving feedback for what they want to see on their "pizza". There are a group of people that believe the "pizza place" should go out of business catering to what they want and only what they want and the rest of the people that live in that area should be ignored. So the "pizza place" has been giving notification of the change of "toppings" for over a year and a half. yeah...no you are way understating the difference between a traditional bioware game and what Anthem is (hence the other poster's predicament). Also, I do not want them to go out of business, I wish that the player base will turn Anthem into a failure so that either Bioware goes back to make games like ME and DA OR so that EA dissolves them so the talent can be picked up by another studio or band together to form another studio. If Anthem is a resounding success sooner than later that is all we are gonna get from them.
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Post by kino on Jul 3, 2018 0:06:25 GMT
To answer the original op, no, I don't think BioWare should aim at their old RPG crowd with Anthem. Without companions, character development and story world building it would only lead to those people being disappointed. BioWare should be honest about what Anthem is and, from what I've seen, that's not DA/ME. Anthem looks like it's about the grind, which is fine if that's what you're looking for. I wouldn't aim the marketing to the RPG crowd if RPG isn't going to be a big part of the game.
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