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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 14, 2018 17:23:00 GMT
*Spoilers* I feel bad for Florian and his sister. Poor kid was out of his league. Yeah, though with how earlier it was set up how Francesca is a powerful mage I feel that this will cause severe problems in the final issue.
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Post by thats1evildude on Nov 14, 2018 17:30:25 GMT
*Spoilers* I feel bad for Florian and his sister. Poor kid was out of his league. He WAS Venatori. And a bit of an asshole to boot. This was a pretty funny issue, but got quite sad at the end. Not because of that dink, though. Right in front of Ser Aaron? That was rather cruel, Olivia.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 14, 2018 17:33:52 GMT
*Spoilers* I feel bad for Florian and his sister. Poor kid was out of his league. He WAS Venatori. And a bit of an asshole to boot. This was pretty funny, but got quite sad at the end. Not because of that dink. That was rather cruel, Olivia. Even Autumn the Mabari felt bad for Aaron. And it seems Vaea left so there is nobody there to stop Aaron from relapsing.
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Post by marikahaliwell on Nov 15, 2018 16:06:21 GMT
He WAS Venatori. And a bit of an asshole to boot. This was pretty funny, but got quite sad at the end. Not because of that dink. That was rather cruel, Olivia. Even Autumn the Mabari felt bad for Aaron. And it seems Vaea left so there is nobody there to stop Aaron from relapsing. I actually yelled a big NOOOO in front of my screen
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Post by giubba on Nov 18, 2018 11:07:46 GMT
So far this is probably the best comics miniseries in DA for me
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 15:09:04 GMT
Olivia, why you gotta be like that? Ser Aaron is waaay better than that youngster Calyx. On another note, I wonder what kind of orb it was that Florian and his sister lost, and how did they lose it? Are we talking Veil cracking orb?
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Post by thats1evildude on Nov 18, 2018 17:30:19 GMT
I think the orb Francesca gave Calix was not on the scale of a major magical artifact like Solas’ orb. It’s obviously valuable, but more of a trinket. As for why Olivia “did” young Calix, I suspect she either wants to steal that trinket or she was putting on a show of defiance for Ser Aaron. “I’m not the nice person you think I am.”
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 18, 2018 17:49:37 GMT
I don’t think the gem Calix took from Francesca and the orb they are referring to is the same thing. After all in the same conversation Florian calls the necklace a focusing gem instead of the orb. Since he and his father are Venatori, perhaps they were the ones Solas’s agents led to finding the Orb for Corypheus.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 18, 2018 17:54:28 GMT
I wonder if Vaea will have a confrontation with Olivia. Aaron has been there to support and defend her, so i can see her do the same for him. After reprimanding him for getting drunk again of course.
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Post by thats1evildude on Nov 18, 2018 18:12:40 GMT
Solas’ orb doesn’t really make sense in the context of their conversation. Why would Francesa’s father be pissed at her for losing THAT orb? She wasn’t even in the Venatori.
The focusing gem is itself vaguely orb-shaped. I’m pretty sure Florian is referring to that gem, but for whatever reason decided to call it a orb.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 18, 2018 18:15:42 GMT
Solas’ orb doesn’t really make sense in the context of their conversation. Why would Francesa’s father be pissed at her for losing THAT orb? She wasn’t even in the Venatori. The focusing gem is itself vaguely orb-shaped. I’m pretty sure Florian is referring to that gem, but for whatever reason decided to call it a orb. Perhaps the gem was the core of something else then, like perhaps an orb similar to Solas’s or some other ancient artifact.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 18, 2018 18:19:23 GMT
I think the orb Francesca gave Calix was not on the scale of a major magical artifact like Solas’ orb. It’s obviously valuable, but more of a trinket I don’t think the gem Calix took from Francesca and the orb they are referring to is the same thing I think you have to remember that there may be many orbs in the possession of old Altus families. Dorian mentions seeing ancient pictures of foci (orbs) in Minrathous and there was an inscription in the Temple of Razikale in the Frostback Basin that talks of implanting foci in the walls to amplify their spells. Clearly these foci were not the same as the orbs of the evanuris in power but may still have been elven relics that were recovered from ruins in the early days of the empire. Then again, it is possible that there are orbs of comparable power that are sitting in the vaults of old Tevinter families, particularly those who might have been able to salvage items from the city in Arlathan Forest before it sank into the ground or from elven refugees fleeing the area. As Qarinus (Ventus) is the nearest city to Arlathan Forest, it makes sense that an old family might have acquired an orb in the past but had no idea what it was used for or how to activate it. Then if they had contact with the Venatori it might have caused them to wonder about the artefact in their basement.
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Post by thats1evildude on Nov 18, 2018 18:23:14 GMT
As for Issue 3, I truly believe there will be another comic after Deception. Issue 3 will see Vaea’s break-in go pear-shaped, and with the qunari literally invading the city and Francesca out for blood, the group will need to break into the Qintara mansion to steal ... whatever Vaea is out to steal (presumably a red lyrium thingamajig).
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 18, 2018 18:34:57 GMT
As for Issue 3, I truly believe there will be another comic after Deception. Issue 3 will see Vaea’s break-in go pear-shaped, and with the qunari literally invading the city and Francesca out for blood, the group will need to break into the Qintara mansion to steal ... whatever Vaea is out to steal (presumably a red lyrium thingamajig). I don’t think there will be another comic. I see Issue 3, whether it wraps up some or all of the plots in it or not, ending on a bit of a cliffhanger that will connect to DA4.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 18, 2018 18:38:41 GMT
I also don’t trust Calix or believe his backstory. After all the original synopsis said
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Post by theascendent on Nov 18, 2018 19:04:24 GMT
Yeah. A city about to fall under siege is hardly an ideal place to make some easy money. And now with Antivan Crows showing up, who never arrive without a goal, I get the feeling that we are all being played. But by whom?
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Post by thats1evildude on Nov 18, 2018 20:30:05 GMT
On the contrary, I think it would be a great place to make cash off very desperate people who aren’t thinking clearly. Especially if it’s a city with a magister who hasn’t been seen in over a decade.
It just doesn’t feel very satisfying from a narrative perspective if Vaea breaks into the Qintara mansion and steals whatever thingamobobber she’s looking for without learning what Magister Qintara was doing while in hiding for 10 years, or even having a look at the guy; it would feel like a cheat if the situation is resolved off-camera.
And I don’t believe it will be taken care of in DA4. So another comic is likely going to happen.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 18, 2018 21:09:21 GMT
It just doesn’t feel very satisfying from a narrative perspective if Vaea breaks into the Qintara mansion and steals whatever thingamobobber she’s looking for without learning what Magister Qintara was doing while in hiding for 10 years, or even having a look at the guy; it would feel like a cheat if the situation is resolved off-camera. And I don’t believe it will be taken care of in DA4. So another comic is likely going to happen. So it would be perfect for say...an introductory mission for a companion? Why do you not think it will be resolved in DA4? I either see it being resolved there or at least the theft part being wrapped up at the end of the next comic with Vaea having a job well done.
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Post by thats1evildude on Nov 18, 2018 21:26:26 GMT
I don’t believe the comic characters are destined to appear in DA4, unlike most. And there are too many hanging threads to have this all resolved in one issue, and much of it off-camera.
No, I believe there will be another comic after this. This feels like a prelude, like how Those Who Speak set up Until We Sleep.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 18, 2018 21:36:03 GMT
I don’t believe the comic characters are destined to appear in DA4, unlike most. And there are too many hanging threads to have this all resolved in one issue, and much of it off-camera. No, I believe there will be another comic after this. This feels like a prelude, like how Those Who Speak set up Until We Sleep. I hope you are wrong about them not appearing in DA4. At least wrong for some of them, especially Vaea. Which is why I think it is going to connect to DA4. Some of these, like Vaea's mission, can be wrapped up in a couple panels of the third issue. Others like the Olivia story could if the story focuses on wrapping it up. The others, like any surprises discovered or things set up from the revolution as well as the big things like the Qunari invasion, I see as a good tie in for the prologue part of the next game. So I agree it is a prelude, but not for another comic.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 19, 2018 10:13:48 GMT
No, I believe there will be another comic after this. This feels like a prelude, like how Those Who Speak set up Until We Sleep. The thing about that comic series is that it was wholly unconnected with the plots of the games, apart from some of the characters involved. There was no suggestion that Aurelian Titus had any connection with the Venatori and it was to further his grand plan that Maric had originally been captured. The story was entirely self contained and needed to have a resolution that would not impact on the game world as a whole. The more recent set of comics have not followed this pattern. I find it odd that they made an omnibus edition containing Mage Killer and Knight Errant, since the only real connection between the two were Charter, Marius and Tessa. Mage Killer was entirely contemporaneous with the Inquisition and the characters actually visited the same locations as we did. Whilst they tried to give some significance to the actions of Marius and Tessa, the fact was that they had no real impact on the outcome of the main events and their own story seemed to go nowhere. For specialist mage killers they were really involved in very little action that required their expert skills once they left Tevinter. Knight Errant was a sequel both to Trespasser and Mage Killer but much less the latter. We discover that regardless of decisions in game that the Shadow Inquisition is a thing. The link between them all though is red lyrium. Charter, Marius and Tessa could just as easily have been substituted with some other characters and it would have made no difference to the outcome. On the whole the entire comic was setting up Vaea and Ser Aaron for further adventures, so really it did seem more like the first instalment in the story rather than the second. It ends with them heading to Tevinter. The latest comic is following on from that with the introduction of some more new characters. Will any of them feature in the next game? I'm not sure about this. If the main story is resolved by the end of no.3 but with plot threads left hanging that they were involved with, then it is possible we will. As suggested, though, that could simply be covered by a further set of comics before the game comes out. It simply depends on how long that will be in the future. If the comic ends with the Qunari invading, then that is something that is definitely going to be left for the main game for a resolution. If Vaea turns up some item of significance then that is also likely to be carried over to the next game. Otherwise, it could require another set of comics to finish the story. I was wondering, though, how many characters have they actually used as companions that were introduced before the game in which they appeared? Not sure of the timescale with Stolen Throne but it was pretty much released around the same time as DAO wasn't it? The only carry over possible companion from that book was Loghain. The Architect was a carry over antagonist from The Calling, Tallis was a carry over companion from the video series but she was confined to a DLC. Then we have Cassandra, from another video but already familiar to us from DA2, and Cole, from Asunder, in DAI. That is about it. Most characters first appearing in other media play cameo roles at most in subsequent games. The majority of our companions have been either new to the world in the game in which they appeared or carried over from previous games.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 1:35:42 GMT
I love the comics Nunzio and Christina write so another comic after this one would be so great, but maybe we will get a book next.
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Post by thats1evildude on Nov 20, 2018 7:10:08 GMT
The qunari are SO going to take this kid’s cookies away.
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Post by Walter Black on Nov 20, 2018 23:01:26 GMT
No comment one way or the other on the quality of Deception itself, but one of the biggest reasons I hope none of the comics charactes play major roles in Dragon Age 4 is a growing weariness over continuing storylines across different multimedia in general. Stories where you have to buy every comic, movie, TV show, video game, and so on in order to get the whole picture strikes me as lazy, greedy, and manipulative on the part of such creators. Not to mention all the fans who support such practices.
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 20, 2018 23:19:35 GMT
I don’t believe the comic characters are destined to appear in DA4, unlike most. And there are too many hanging threads to have this all resolved in one issue, and much of it off-camera. No, I believe there will be another comic after this. This feels like a prelude, like how Those Who Speak set up Until We Sleep. I think they’ll appear, but probably not as major characters.
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