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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 16, 2018 17:11:41 GMT
I don't see why that would mean that. After all Cole was developed as a central character in Asunder and he ended up being a companion in DAI. He was written by Dragon Age's Lead Writer at the time. Major difference here. For all we know, at a time Gaider wrote Asunder, they already knew that Cole is likely going to be part of the major cast in DAI. I also think that it's been a while since they figured out who is going to be a companion in DA4 - which means that they if they were companions they likely wouldn't be concocted by people who write ancillary material and not the main game. That doesn't mean that they won't show up in DA; ATM what they said simply lessens the chance that they're going to be major characters/companions in the story. Sure, but Cole was written by a completely different person in DAI. I don't see how that is really any different than if in the game Bioware's writers take the characters created in the comics and continue with them. After all characters from the game were written into the comics so it would just be the other way around.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 16, 2018 17:19:43 GMT
He was written by Dragon Age's Lead Writer at the time. Major difference here. For all we know, at a time Gaider wrote Asunder, they already knew that Cole is likely going to be part of the major cast in DAI. I also think that it's been a while since they figured out who is going to be a companion in DA4 - which means that they if they were companions they likely wouldn't be concocted by people who write ancillary material and not the main game. That doesn't mean that they won't show up in DA; ATM what they said simply lessens the chance that they're going to be major characters/companions in the story. Sure, but Cole was written by a completely different person in DAI. I don't see how that is really any different than if in the game Bioware's writers take the characters created in the comics and continue with them. After all characters from the game were written into the comics so it would just be the other way around. The fact that it was written for the game by a different person is irrelevant to either 1st or 2nd point I've made. And I don't think it's apt to call Weekes a 'completely different person' given the extent he and Gaider worked together (including the writing of another character, namely Solas) or Gaider either knowing exactly where he wanted to put Cole in the narrative or working extensively on it during the whole production. The bottom line is that both he and Weekes were/are on main game's writing team and I don't think they'd give what are effectively outsiders to the whole project the task of creating companions.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 16, 2018 19:02:05 GMT
I wonder in the next game we can put weapons in our hair?
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 29, 2018 8:27:22 GMT
I wonder in the next game we can put weapons in our hair? you mean like throwing knives? now that'd be awesome ^^
I always found it interesting that Tallis in DA2 could use her daggers as throwing knives due to her specialization then in DAI rogues had a similar ability in the Sabotage tree I would personally love to see something like polearms or pikes, I mean...we know they exist in the game world but we've not seen them used yet outside of the books/comics
as for the comic itself, I look forward to seeing and reading Deception, I think it'll be interesting I've so far read all of the comics, and have to be honest that Mage Killer was one of my favorites ^^
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Post by wickedcool on Jul 30, 2018 12:33:56 GMT
Any chance that these comics could be treated as backstory for da4 companions or quest companions
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 30, 2018 20:06:27 GMT
Any chance that these comics could be treated as backstory for da4 companions or quest companions That is what quite a few of us think, that these characters could be among the "people he doesn't know" that the Inquisitor refers to at the end of Trespasser. They probably won't all be companions, but I think at least some will and the others will be involved in quests. For example I hope Vaea is a companion, so even if Aaron isn't one as well he would be involved in her quests.
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Post by phoray on Jul 31, 2018 0:37:31 GMT
Whereas I'm totally into Aaron, that silver fox
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 31, 2018 16:45:38 GMT
Whereas I'm totally into Aaron, that silver fox well, you would be *wink wink, nudge nudge* < that was a joke, just in case...you know
on a more serious note, I would be interested in seeing Marius and Tessa and maybe Calpernia, provided she survived the events of Inquisition which I hope...I mean, I've yet to finish a templar playthrough (I just can't handle the Envy demon, he scares me ) so it'll be interesting to see her again ^^
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Post by Walter Black on Jul 31, 2018 17:45:36 GMT
Whereas I'm totally into Aaron, that silver fox To each their own, but none of the comics characters struck me as interesting. In particular, Aaron, Vaea and Marius seemed liked watered down versions of Blackwall, Sera and Fenris. Too bland and safe, no depth or edge. I hope I'm wrong, but if any of them are Companions, it would be one more sign the new writing team is betraying Dragon Age's dark roots to appeal to the masses .
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Post by phoray on Jul 31, 2018 18:12:07 GMT
Whereas I'm totally into Aaron, that silver fox To each their own, but none of the comics characters struck me as interesting. In particular, Aaron, Vaea and Marius seemed liked watered down versions of Blackwall, Sera and Fenris. Too bland and safe, no depth or edge. I hope I'm wrong, but if any of them are Companions, it would be one more sign the new writing team is betraying Dragon Age's dark roots to appeal to the masses . Could you elaborate? Because I barely see any connections between these characters
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 31, 2018 18:28:28 GMT
To each their own, but none of the comics characters struck me as interesting. In particular, Aaron, Vaea and Marius seemed liked watered down versions of Blackwall, Sera and Fenris. Too bland and safe, no depth or edge. I hope I'm wrong, but if any of them are Companions, it would be one more sign the new writing team is betraying Dragon Age's dark roots to appeal to the masses . Could you elaborate? Because I barely see any connections between these characters I agree. I mean, nevermind that I barely see any reason to make claims that anybody is betraying anything should these characters be prominently featured in DA4. They have complex stories and yet still more potential for compelling personal arcs.
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Post by Walter Black on Jul 31, 2018 18:42:14 GMT
To each their own, but none of the comics characters struck me as interesting. In particular, Aaron, Vaea and Marius seemed liked watered down versions of Blackwall, Sera and Fenris. Too bland and safe, no depth or edge. I hope I'm wrong, but if any of them are Companions, it would be one more sign the new writing team is betraying Dragon Age's dark roots to appeal to the masses . Could you elaborate? Because I barely see any connections between these characters Ser Aaron Hawthorne and Thom Rainier- Both born into poverty, but grew to be burly and bearded wandering knights in their middle age. Both occasionally drink to forget past failures, but try to remain idealistic and romantic.
Vaea and Sera- Both are orphaned, young elvish rogues from Ferelden. Both regularly fight and steal from nobility, stick up for the little guy, and have quirky father-daughter type relationships with their respective Ser Baras.
Marius and Fenris- Both were raised as illiterate and abused slaves to Magisters in Tevinter. Both had tumultuous love affairs with people they might have to fight. Both are warriors with skills specifically designed to fight mages. Both brood a lot .
Now if you're thinking, "wait a minute! The comic characters don't have anywhere near the complexity and darkness their video game counterparts have!" Well, that was kinda my whole point .
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 31, 2018 18:43:56 GMT
I don't get this obsession people have where a character has to be dark and edgy to be good or complex characters.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jul 31, 2018 18:47:39 GMT
I don´t think we will see any of these new Comic Characters as Companions. First i find unlikely that we get more than one companion that came original from the Comics. And this person should be Maevaris.
Speaking of Maevaris in some Interview before DAI Release David Gaider mentioned that he had love to include Maevaris in more prominent role but it was to late. Therefore i can only see Marius or Tessa as potential Companions. And those two are a bit bland for my taste. Marius is only interessing because he was (?) the Lover of Calpernia. Personally i hope that Marius and Calpernia break up so that we can romance Calpernia.
For Vaea, Aaron and especial Olivia Pryde is it also too late to be Companions. But they still can be included in some minor way.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 31, 2018 18:51:47 GMT
I don´t think we will see any of these new Comic Characters as Companions. First i find unlikely that we get more than one companion that came original from the Comics. And this person should be Maevaris. Speaking of Maevaris in some Interview before DAI Release David Gaider mentioned that he had love to include Maevaris in more prominent role but it was to late. Therefore i can only see Marius or Tessa as potential Companions. And those two are a bit bland for my taste. Marius is only interessing because he was (?) the Lover of Calpernia. Personally i hope that Marius and Calpernia break up so that we can romance Calpernia. For Vaea, Aaron and especial Olivia Pryde is it also too late to be Companions. But they still can be included in some minor way. How is it too late for them to be companion candidates when the game is still years away? Most of the devs there are still working on Anthem. I see Aaron and Vaea as more likely than Marius and Tessa since the former seem to have been received more positively than the latter.
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Post by phoray on Jul 31, 2018 18:53:03 GMT
Marius and Fenris: Both stoic? I don't even get that Marius is quiet because of rage, like Fenris. He's just not into the whole "words" thing. I also would never see Fenris enjoying Swords and Shields.
Veae and Sera: Both City Elves with a twist on the Robin Hood gimic BUT Sera is like...super honest and kinda simple minded. Bad people gotta pay one way or the other, the equalize the classes. Doesn't give two tits about race. Vaea lies with gusto and is very racially motivated to help her own people-- has more in common with Briala, from my perspective.
Blackwall and Aaron: Other than them both being brunette warriors with an honorable air about them, I can't see anything else they have in common.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 31, 2018 18:54:57 GMT
Blackwall and Aaron: Other than them both being brunette warriors with an honorable air about them, I can't see anything else they have in common.
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Post by phoray on Jul 31, 2018 18:56:46 GMT
bearded wandering knights in their middle age. uh, yeah, but Rainier had to do that because he murdered a carriage of noble people and their kids. Aaron really seems to be wondering by choice and with support of the Fereldan leadership. stick up for the little guy, but Vaea is racially motivated and does it out of a sense of vengeance so... quirky father-daughter type relationships Who is Sera's quirky father exactly? o-o had tumultuous love affairs with people they might have to fight. Oh Maker, are you implying the non consenual sex between Fenris and his prior slave master was a tumultuous love affair?
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Post by Walter Black on Jul 31, 2018 18:56:57 GMT
I don't get this obsession people have where a character has to be dark and edgy to be good or complex characters. For me, it's less about characters being "edgy", and more about remaining faithful to the complex tone and emotional truth of Dragon Age's roots. A lighter story could be good, but it wouldn't be DA. And no, this isn't just me having a "grimdark" fetish, as I find Harry Potter, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic dark fics or Zack Snyder's DCU equally ridiculous .
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Post by phoray on Jul 31, 2018 18:59:21 GMT
that he had love to include Maevaris in more prominent role but it was to late. If it was too late to include Maeveris, than it's too late to include any of them. Or did you mean for DAI? I don't think Maevaris would have made sense in DAI.
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Post by phoray on Jul 31, 2018 19:00:20 GMT
Haha, how is Harry Potter NOT Grim Dark pretty much as soon as the Triwizard Tournament kicks in?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 31, 2018 19:00:36 GMT
I don't get this obsession people have where a character has to be dark and edgy to be good or complex characters. For me, it's less about characters being "edgy", and more about remaining faithful to the complex tone and emotional truth of Dragon Age's roots. A lighter story could be good, but it wouldn't be DA. And no, this isn't just me having a "grimdark" fetish, as I find Harry Potter, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic dark fics or Zack Snyder's DCU equally ridiculous . I don't see how any of the comic characters don't fit that though. Also you can have characters who aren't dark or edgy who still fit the tone of Dragon Age, for example Josephine. Even DAO had characters who weren't that way like Wynne or Oghren.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jul 31, 2018 19:02:38 GMT
How is it too late for them to be companion candidates when the game is still years away? Most of the devs there are still working on Anthem. I see Aaron and Vaea as more likely than Marius and Tessa since the former seem to have been received more positively than the latter. I honestly believe DA 4 Companions to this date are already fixed. I would assume that the DA 4 Release could be 2020/2021.
David Gaider spoke about Maevaris in this Interview roughly two years before DAI Release. Sorry but its too late for Aaron and Vaea at this point. Maybe if DA 4 have less Companion Dialogue than DAI but that sounds unlikely.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 31, 2018 19:05:30 GMT
How is it too late for them to be companion candidates when the game is still years away? Most of the devs there are still working on Anthem. I see Aaron and Vaea as more likely than Marius and Tessa since the former seem to have been received more positively than the latter. I honestly believe DA 4 Companions to this date are already fixed. I would assume that the DA 4 Release could be 2020/2021.
David Gaider spoke about Maevaris in this Interview roughly two years before DAI Release. Sorry but its too late for Aaron and Vaea at this point. Maybe if DA 4 have less Companion Dialogue than DAI but that sounds unlikely.
Personally I see Maevaris being more of an adviser-like character than a companion. Even if she is a companion however there is no rule against more than one returning character. In fact if anything it is the opposite: DA2 had three of the eight be returning characters: Anders, Isabela, Merrill. DAI had five of the twelve be returning characters: Cassandra, Cole, Cullen, Leliana, Varric. Each game had almost half the cast be from previous things.
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Post by Walter Black on Jul 31, 2018 19:08:30 GMT
bearded wandering knights in their middle age. uh, yeah, but Rainier had to do that because he murdered a carriage of noble people and their kids. Aaron really seems to be wondering by choice and with support of the Fereldan leadership. Like I said, nicer and safer.
Which is a slightly more palatable motivation than Sera's vague socialist-anarchism, again making Vaea more conventional.
Sue me, I always got a surrogate father-daughter vibe from Blackwall and Sera . More that Fenris turns on Hawke in the final battle if their Friendship or Rivalry isn't high enough .
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