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Out of personal curiosity: Have you heard about multiquote?
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 20, 2018 12:45:46 GMT
Out of personal curiosity: Have you heard about multiquote? Somebody needs to take a deep breath, and learn to forum.
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Post by Serza on Aug 20, 2018 13:01:54 GMT
Out of personal curiosity: Have you heard about multiquote? Somebody needs to take a deep breath, and learn to forum.
Yes, calming down would likely be a great start...
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Post by hawkster94 on Aug 20, 2018 14:36:48 GMT
I think most people would be calm and happy if Bioware stops being incompetent buffoons
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 20, 2018 14:55:10 GMT
Keep in mind though it's apparently legal to discriminate against quarians and not hire them on the citadel. Is it? Or do they simply turn a blind eye? The C-Sec officer who was harassing the quarian in ME2 was actually doing his job, even if he was being an asshole about it. He could have "run her in for vagrancy" but he didn't. That, in theory, applies to anyone who is a vagrant. (A Council species, or a client species, might get more help.) I don't really want to get into race politics, but certain races do generally get discriminated against for no reason other than the color of their skin. Or place of origin.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 20, 2018 14:57:39 GMT
They've had 3 games to go back to what made the original special and they haven't even tried. Time to move on. Bring on Anthem. Anthem? No. I've got a slow internet connection that periodically drops for no discernible reason. Can you imagine what that might be like for a game that relies on internet? It you want it, play it. I'll be playing Cyberpunk 2077.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Aug 20, 2018 15:41:36 GMT
They've had 3 games to go back to what made the original special and they haven't even tried. Time to move on. Bring on Anthem. Anthem? No. I've got a slow internet connection that periodically drops for no discernible reason. Can you imagine what that might be like for a game that relies on internet? It you want it, play it. I'll be playing Cyberpunk 2077. Fair excuse. No need to play a cool looking game if the internet's not that helpful. Granted you could play single player on that game if you want to, but the internet is still needed for the changing world events and all.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 20, 2018 15:44:50 GMT
Anthem? No. I've got a slow internet connection that periodically drops for no discernible reason. Can you imagine what that might be like for a game that relies on internet? It you want it, play it. I'll be playing Cyberpunk 2077. Fair excuse. No need to play a cool looking game if the internet's not that helpful. Granted you could play single player on that game if you want to, but the internet is still needed for the changing world events and all. Of course, that's all subject to change. I live in a major city. Cable companies claim that speeds can be poor because of high density population. Yet, they offer high speed and don't deliver. Should I leave NYC, it might all change.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 20, 2018 20:01:26 GMT
I think most people would be calm and happy if Bioware stops being incompetent buffoons Who says people aren't calm and happy now? Just because there are few that got hyped up on Red Bull and got their underwear in a twist doesn't mean everyone did. If you really think they are incompetent buffoons I doubt BioWare is going to change to make you happy. If anything they are going to go the opposite way and make sure their games aren't left behind and continue to follow the path they have been following since Dragon Age: Origins and started to alter the formulas of their game with each release.
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 21, 2018 8:49:22 GMT
Um, what about that M-290 Cain that blew up the Reaper with the Hades Cannon? Why didn't they just outfit that WMD armament to gunships, frigates, and destroyers??? Heck before Me3 was out there was no information on what a thanix cannon especially what one sized for a ship larger than the normandy would do to a reaper, it used tech discovered from sovereign. For all we knew it could blow through their shields and drop a reaper or at least do enough to give them a fighting chance. I was wondering why the hell didn't the Normandy blow the Reaper to bits if the cannon was from the weapon systems from Sovereign??? The writers are not really that bright, aren't they?
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 21, 2018 9:04:27 GMT
I think most people would be calm and happy if Bioware stops being incompetent buffoons Couldn't agree more.
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Post by XCPTNL on Aug 21, 2018 13:55:13 GMT
What I want in a new Mass Effect title is a multiplayer only game within the universe with all the races and conflicts and continous support of the game with new updates, storymissions and so on. Basically I want "Mass Effect: Warframe" - it's what they should have done instead of creating a new "universe" with Anthem. Also it should be dark and gritty mostly...
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Post by therevanchist25 on Aug 21, 2018 14:16:40 GMT
They've made one of the best game series of all time. They've done fine. Eh......... I have to disagree. Mass Effect is honestly at least a little overrated. The writing is very mixed, especially after ME1 and for a series that sells itself on the writing that's kind of a problem. The characters are great (for the most part) but they are mostly irrelevant to the overarching plot. A plot that is established in the first game then forgotten in the second and then changed in the third. There are so many plot holes in ME2 and especially ME3 (you could fill an encyclopedia on the plot holes in the final mission alone). And this may be a divisive statement but the protagonist of the trilogy is awful. It's like they couldnt figure out if they wanted to make shepard an avatar character like Link who has no set personality so you can try and head canon one yourself, or an actual character with a personality. It makes no sense how you can be a complete renegade the entire series, killing innocent people everywhere you go and not even trying to warn the hundreds of thousands of batarians in the Arrival DLC.... but then shepard throws a fit when one kid on earth dies. You can literally be the nicest person in the world one second and the most evil person ever the next. While I agree with a lot of the issue in Andromeda, at least Ryder had somewhat of a set personality. Ryder was actually kind of a character unlike shepard. Oh and shepard is a complete moron too. I don't even want to list all the stupid things he does but here's a few: Telling Joker to close the distance on the Collector ship even though Joker is safely destroying it from far away with the Thanix cannon and what happens? they crash as a result. Not telling legion to hold on for a minute while he explains to the quarians that the geth are trying to upload the code (gee wouldnt that have been useful information in trying to convince them to stand down?), stupidly walking in to an obvious trap on the collector ship, continuing to blindly follow TIM in ME2 on every mission he wants you to go on even after he tricked you into walking in to a trap, blaming Tali for something her ancestors did, not picking up more than one weapon on the collector ship, walking in to the red tube that he shoots in the red ending while it's exploding, not further questioning the kid at the end of ME3 on the MANY inconsistencies in the kid's logic and the things you are not told, etc. Also why does shepard care so much about earth when the GALAXY is at stake? He keeps acting like we are assembling an army of all the races to only take back humanity's home planet (and it's only the by nature of the awful and contrived plot that we end up going there in the end). Sure I can see why humans would care about earth being attacked, but assembling an army comprised of all the citadel's people to prioritize earth over everything else when trillions of lives are at stake all across the known galaxy is incredibly selfish. Where was this army to take back Thessia? Remember at this point we didnt even know earth was special for no reason. There's a few lines that sum up how stupid he is: "This isnt about tactics or strategy. This is about survival." 10 seconds later "We fight or we die, that's the plan." Well shepard, one would assume that fighting would involve tactics or strategy you fucking moron. Also this one: "And if I die, I'll die knowing I did everything I could to stop you" This is literally seconds after the kid explains that the red ending will kill him and the reapers for good. So shepard obviously wasnt thinking straight when he said that because he had the option to stop the kid right then and there. Also he's basically a machine that has to respond in polar opposites to any situation. And in regards to you saying that people had too high of expectations with the ending and that people wanted a sunshine and rainbows ending etc. You are wrong. Perhaps some people did want a happy ending and they didnt get one but that is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from the only issue with the ending. I won't go in to TOO much detail because there's so much wrong with it but I'll sum up some of the reason why the ending so bad. It makes no sense, it's conveyed in a confusing manner so it's impossible to make sense of it, it introduces a motive for the reapers that makes no sense and this is proven in the mass effect universe (peace between the quarians and geth, edi, etc.), the solutions the catalyst creates to fix this issue DONT EVEN FIX THE ISSUE ( for example, what's to stop cybernetic people from creating synthetics that then kill their creators in the green ending?), the ending comes down to picking 1 of 3 buttons which pretty much throws all your choices in the trilogy out the window as anyone who played MP enough would have access to the same choices you would, characters randomly teleporting on to ships, an epilogue that makes no sense, no real closure at all to any of the races or the characters, We don't even know if the council survived ffsm, etc. You know...it kills me that I cannot disagree with any of this. or anything else you've posted here, especially about the Quarians, as that was always one of my biggest complaints... I played ME1 over 50 times, ME2 over 35 times, I bought every comic, every book, every Collectors Edition, and every single piece of DLC. I also bought almost $1,000 worth of physical merchandise, two of the $150 Armor Hoodie, two pairs of the first run of N7 shoes that cost $90, a $15 Ball Cap, a $15 shirt, a $15 belt buckle I've never even used, a $15 N7 Wallet, a custom N7 Keychain for my car keys I had to order from Hong Kong, about $60 worth of Lithographs that I bought very nice, glass frames for that as of this moment still hang on my wall. You add all that to the cost of all the comics and books? yea, your getting up there. Had I the money at the time I would have also bought the $250 limited edition Spectre branded weatherproof wrist watch and the $150 Mass Relay necklace. Frankly I would have bought so much more, socks, sleep pants, more shirts, the leather jacket, drinking glasses, more Lithographs. Were I a wealthy man I would have also had my entire Car redone in black, with the red and white N7 Stripe down the middle, I am not kidding... I was the mass effect equivalent of the old school star wars fans with entire rooms full of star wars crap, only I didn't have the type of disposable income to be one of those guys... So please, anyone who reads this, know I was the biggest Mass Effect fan you likely would have ever met. I had encyclopedic knowledge of the setting, down to the smallest facts and details, so do not try to tell me how great this franchise is, or that I didn't understand what it was all about, or any other type of "fan" argument to defend this franchise from criticism. Mass Effect 3 was the ultimate pain, on an emotional level. The best way for me to describe it would be this. You married your life long childhood sweetheart, and for 5 years your lives are a perfect utopia. Every other problem in your world does not matter, because you have them. Then one day you come home, and find your one true love, sleeping with your BFF in your bed, and not only that, they tell you that "you were simply too stupid to understand", that you were the problem all this time and throws divorce papers in your face. That was ME3 to me... It's been 6 years now, and it still hurts, though it has now become a dull, aching pain. But that pain woke me up from the haze of enamored miasma I was in. It made me take a long hard look at this thing that I loved, trying desperately to understand how this all went so badly. It was very difficult for me, and took a long time to come to terms with the reality of what I had found. Which was how deeply flawed this whole experience really is. All the problems and inconsistencies I willfully overlooked due to my previous affection blinding me from admitting my beloved ever had any problems. I cannot tell you how many times I've tried going back, to replay these games since this revelation, only to stop after ME1 because I cannot handle the thought of what awaits me after. All the pain, all the retcons, all the poor planning...all the wasted potential...hell half the time I cannot even finish ME1 now, due to just how painful these thoughts are to me... I cannot play these games anymore...and Andromeda only reinforced that belief...My hope for this thing that I loved, is utterly gone...But on that note. No matter what anyone says...there never is, was and ever will be, anything wrong with the idea, of wanting ME to have a happy ending. People can take their "Dark = Art" attitude and shove it. A happy ending, should always be an option. Some of the greatest works in human history, have happy endings.
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Post by fchopin on Aug 21, 2018 17:39:39 GMT
My suggestion is simple. Make the game they want to, that was what Andromeda seemed to me was BioWare taking all the things people were saying "were needed" for a Mass Effect game and then tried to build a game around that it came across to me as a fanfiction type of game. Sorry but they did not make the game people were asking for. They tried to make the game people wanted but they could not make the game as it was very difficult so in the end we got the Andromeda game that we have. The Mass Effect Andromeda game we asked for and what they tried to make are not what we got.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 21, 2018 18:52:57 GMT
My suggestion is simple. Make the game they want to, that was what Andromeda seemed to me was BioWare taking all the things people were saying "were needed" for a Mass Effect game and then tried to build a game around that it came across to me as a fanfiction type of game. Sorry but they did not make the game people were asking for. They tried to make the game people wanted but they could not make the game as it was very difficult so in the end we got the Andromeda game that we have. The Mass Effect Andromeda game we asked for and what they tried to make are not what we got.After seeing all the wishlist items, I disagree. People kept saying exploration of Mass Effect 1, Characters of Mass Effect 3, combat of Mass Effect 3, crafting system, open skill system, open world, vehicles return, scrapping of Paragon/Renegade, romances, etc. All of those things are in the game because people kept asking for them.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 21, 2018 20:09:58 GMT
Well, arguably the characters were a miss. Exactly why isn't clear, though.
I suppose the ball is in fchopin's court. What were "we" asking for that "we" didn't get? (Quotes there because I don't want to imply my own membership in that "we" -- I was never in favor of exploration or OW, though I tolerate them well enough.)
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 21, 2018 20:18:03 GMT
Well, arguably the characters were a miss. Exactly why isn't clear, though. Wasn't a fan of Peebee, Liam was kind of dopey, Cora was okay (not worse than Liara) and Drack and Vetra were awesome. I also loved the quirky, light-hearted personality of Ryder.
Ash took some time to warm up to, I hated Miranda until after her LM, I thought Jacob was kind of stupid with his reasons for leaving the Alliance (who in their right minds decides that the military is mired in red tape so joins a major terrorist organization - Chakwas and Joker were in it strictly for Shepard). Samara was on the cold side for my taste. Jack was an annoying brat. I was okay with the ME3 squadmates.
My point here is that every game had characters that were unlikable (at least to me). (Less so in ME3, as I saw it.) Why should MEA stand out? IMO, it's because there were other issues so the lesser ones were blown out of proportion.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 21, 2018 20:25:52 GMT
It's been 6 years now, and it still hurts, though it has now become a dull, aching pain. But that pain woke me up from the haze of enamored miasma I was in. It made me take a long hard look at this thing that I loved, trying desperately to understand how this all went so badly. It was very difficult for me, and took a long time to come to terms with the reality of what I had found. Which was how deeply flawed this whole experience really is. All the problems and inconsistencies I willfully overlooked due to my previous affection blinding me from admitting my beloved ever had any problems. One of the things I've noticed over the years is that it's often the people who were really fans of ME1 who end up in your position. I'm in the camp who thought that ME was always kind of dopey. We never had any faith to lose. *shrugs* Just because there's nothing wrong with a design option doesn't mean the devs have to do it. You need something a bit more affirmative there to make the case that devs must always give you this option. (Probably need a working definition of "happy ending" before seriously engaging on that point, though; people have been talking past each other on this subject for years..)
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 21, 2018 23:42:37 GMT
What I want in a new Mass Effect title is a multiplayer only game within the universe with all the races and conflicts and continous support of the game with new updates, storymissions and so on. Basically I want "Mass Effect: Warframe" - it's what they should have done instead of creating a new "universe" with Anthem. Also it should be dark and gritty mostly... They do that and I'm done.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 22, 2018 0:13:28 GMT
What I want in a new Mass Effect title is a multiplayer only game within the universe with all the races and conflicts and continous support of the game with new updates, storymissions and so on. Basically I want "Mass Effect: Warframe" - it's what they should have done instead of creating a new "universe" with Anthem. Also it should be dark and gritty mostly... They do that and I'm done. From XCPTNL 's fingers to God's inbox!
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 22, 2018 0:48:20 GMT
What I want in a new Mass Effect title is a multiplayer only game within the universe with all the races and conflicts and continous support of the game with new updates, storymissions and so on. Basically I want "Mass Effect: Warframe" - it's what they should have done instead of creating a new "universe" with Anthem. Also it should be dark and gritty mostly... They do that and I'm done. Me, too. I'm sketchy about anything that will make me rely on a crappy internet connection - or just multiplayer, because I hate gaming with other people.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 22, 2018 0:57:27 GMT
They do that and I'm done. Me, too. I'm sketchy about anything that will make me rely on a crappy internet connection - or just multiplayer, because I hate gaming with other people. I'm not a fan of MP either.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 22, 2018 1:30:19 GMT
My suggestion is simple. Make the game they want to, that was what Andromeda seemed to me was BioWare taking all the things people were saying "were needed" for a Mass Effect game and then tried to build a game around that it came across to me as a fanfiction type of game. Sorry but they did not make the game people were asking for. They tried to make the game people wanted but they could not make the game as it was very difficult so in the end we got the Andromeda game that we have. The Mass Effect Andromeda game we asked for and what they tried to make are not what we got.There were a lot of screw-ups behind the scenes. We know this for a fact. They drastically changed what they were doing midway through and therefore had less time to fully develop the game. They also opted against taking extra time that they were [apparently] offered. Now, I liked MEA but I can see where people might have issues and I can point to reasons other than BioWare trying to do fan service with the game. No way in hell any fan was looking for an unarmed Mako. I can kind of see it with the Tempest, because it's meant to be quick and weapons would slow it down, but not the Nomad. (Then again, the Mako was slow as shit.)
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 22, 2018 6:50:37 GMT
Well, arguably the characters were a miss. Exactly why isn't clear, though. Wasn't a fan of Peebee, Liam was kind of dopey, Cora was okay (not worse than Liara) and Drack and Vetra were awesome. I also loved the quirky, light-hearted personality of Ryder.
Ash took some time to warm up to, I hated Miranda until after her LM, I thought Jacob was kind of stupid with his reasons for leaving the Alliance (who in their right minds decides that the military is mired in red tape so joins a major terrorist organization - Chakwas and Joker were in it strictly for Shepard). Samara was on the cold side for my taste. Jack was an annoying brat. I was okay with the ME3 squadmates.
My point here is that every game had characters that were unlikable (at least to me). (Less so in ME3, as I saw it.) Why should MEA stand out? IMO, it's because there were other issues so the lesser ones were blown out of proportion.
I agree. I just want to point out that when it comes to a BioWare game I don't think you can get more then a handful of people to completely agree about everything. So what is liked or systems that people want are going to be different. To me I just saw a lot of similarities between what I kept reading online from posts about what "should" be in a Mass Effect game were implemented in Andromeda. While I was playing the game it just felt like they tried to build a game around a bunch of systems instead of making a game and incorporating systems to improve or minimize the problematic areas which the first three were. Even with the characters I think Drack is my favorite first appearance from any game. The rest didn't stand out as much, but I do agree I think Mass Effect 3 had less character issues and at the same time I think that was because they were minimized because they had to have two characters to fill out every role to make sure the role was filled if the primary character died in a previous game.
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Post by XCPTNL on Aug 22, 2018 12:20:20 GMT
Me, too. I'm sketchy about anything that will make me rely on a crappy internet connection - or just multiplayer, because I hate gaming with other people. I'm not a fan of MP either. It's rather unlikely they will skip Multiplayer especially since it's already been confirmed that people who play Anthem solo won't be able to do everything. Instead of a half-assed singleplayer and a buggy multiplayer I'd prefer them to hire some experts and make a good coop-multiplayer title in the Mass Effect universe. I doubt they will be able to pull off something long lasting like Warframe but who knows... By the way: nowadays I play almost 95% singleplayer games - Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer is one of the few titles I enjoy playing online. I'm pretty much done with singleplayer games within the Mass Effect universe. ME 1-3 were nice but in ME3 the multiplayer part was already better than the singleplayer experience.
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