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Post by griffith82 on Aug 22, 2018 13:23:48 GMT
I'm not a fan of MP either. It's rather unlikely they will skip Multiplayer especially since it's already been confirmed that people who play Anthem solo won't be able to do everything. Instead of a half-assed singleplayer and a buggy multiplayer I'd prefer them to hire some experts and make a good coop-multiplayer title in the Mass Effect universe. I doubt they will be able to pull off something long lasting like Warframe but who knows... By the way: nowadays I play almost 95% singleplayer games - Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer is one of the few titles I enjoy playing online. I'm pretty much done with singleplayer games within the Mass Effect universe. ME 1-3 were nice but in ME3 the multiplayer part was already better than the singleplayer experience. Well that's good for you but most of us don't want that.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 22, 2018 13:34:33 GMT
It's rather unlikely they will skip Multiplayer especially since it's already been confirmed that people who play Anthem solo won't be able to do everything. Instead of a half-assed singleplayer and a buggy multiplayer I'd prefer them to hire some experts and make a good coop-multiplayer title in the Mass Effect universe. I doubt they will be able to pull off something long lasting like Warframe but who knows... By the way: nowadays I play almost 95% singleplayer games - Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer is one of the few titles I enjoy playing online. I'm pretty much done with singleplayer games within the Mass Effect universe. ME 1-3 were nice but in ME3 the multiplayer part was already better than the singleplayer experience. Well that's good for you but most of us don't want that. Are you sure "most of us" is accurate? I know plenty of people that enjoyed the MP aspect of ME3 and ME:A the only turnoff from ME:A was the bloat they added in one of the final patches.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 22, 2018 13:44:05 GMT
Well that's good for you but most of us don't want that. Are you sure "most of us" is accurate? I know plenty of people that enjoyed the MP aspect of ME3 and ME:A the only turnoff from ME:A was the bloat they added in one of the final patches. MP only I'd say yes but maybe I'm biased.
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Post by XCPTNL on Aug 22, 2018 14:12:02 GMT
It's rather unlikely they will skip Multiplayer especially since it's already been confirmed that people who play Anthem solo won't be able to do everything. Instead of a half-assed singleplayer and a buggy multiplayer I'd prefer them to hire some experts and make a good coop-multiplayer title in the Mass Effect universe. I doubt they will be able to pull off something long lasting like Warframe but who knows... By the way: nowadays I play almost 95% singleplayer games - Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer is one of the few titles I enjoy playing online. I'm pretty much done with singleplayer games within the Mass Effect universe. ME 1-3 were nice but in ME3 the multiplayer part was already better than the singleplayer experience. Well that's good for you but most of us don't want that. MP forums are full of people who think otherwise... And I'd like a good Mass Effect SP game as well. It's just... this will probably never happen again. Also this is EA. They don't really care that much about what some fans want, they care about what makes them the most money. And that's all the people who spent money on microtransactions unfortunately. That's why they do Anthem the way they do it instead of making it a singleplayer game.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Aug 22, 2018 14:35:01 GMT
I thought, before hitting ME3 multiplayer, should the MP part be better than SP. But it wasnt, as clunky as SP, and I was unable to continue playing it after some time I nowadays play also multiplayers, before I couldnt fathom why would I even try SP with bolted on MP, but MEAMP changed it for me.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 22, 2018 14:51:51 GMT
Well that's good for you but most of us don't want that. MP forums are full of people who think otherwise... And I'd like a good Mass Effect SP game as well. It's just... this will probably never happen again. Also this is EA. They don't really care that much about what some fans want, they care about what makes them the most money. And that's all the people who spent money on microtransactions unfortunately. That's why they do Anthem the way they do it instead of making it a singleplayer game. I disagree. Maybe some want that but I never will. And I think they've done fine with their SP game portions.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 22, 2018 16:45:20 GMT
MP forums are full of people who think otherwise... And I'd like a good Mass Effect SP game as well. It's just... this will probably never happen again. Also this is EA. They don't really care that much about what some fans want, they care about what makes them the most money. And that's all the people who spent money on microtransactions unfortunately. That's why they do Anthem the way they do it instead of making it a singleplayer game. I disagree. Maybe some want that but I never will. And I think they've done fine with their SP game portions. That is fine and you are welcome not to want it to be part of the game, but my issue I take is you are claiming a majority of people don't want it where nobody outside of the EA umbrella really knows how many people bought the game and how many played the MP aspect of it and if the majority really didn't want it or played it. I highly doubt they would have put money into it two more times if the majority of players didn't engage with it.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 22, 2018 17:37:55 GMT
I disagree. Maybe some want that but I never will. And I think they've done fine with their SP game portions. That is fine and you are welcome not to want it to be part of the game, but my issue I take is you are claiming a majority of people don't want it where nobody outside of the EA umbrella really knows how many people bought the game and how many played the MP aspect of it and if the majority really didn't want it or played it. I highly doubt they would have put money into it two more times if the majority of players didn't engage with it. I think you may have misunderstood me. I was referring to a MP only game with no SP content as another poster suggested like MEOnline. I have no problem with MP added to the SP experience.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 22, 2018 17:46:15 GMT
That is fine and you are welcome not to want it to be part of the game, but my issue I take is you are claiming a majority of people don't want it where nobody outside of the EA umbrella really knows how many people bought the game and how many played the MP aspect of it and if the majority really didn't want it or played it. I highly doubt they would have put money into it two more times if the majority of players didn't engage with it. I think you may have misunderstood me. I was referring to a MP only game with no SP content as another poster suggested like MEOnline. I have no problem with MP added to the SP experience. I did, thanks for the clarification.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 22, 2018 17:50:44 GMT
I think you may have misunderstood me. I was referring to a MP only game with no SP content as another poster suggested like MEOnline. I have no problem with MP added to the SP experience. I did, thanks for the clarification. No problem.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Aug 22, 2018 18:22:25 GMT
Yeah, I recommend that in Mass Effect, the multiplayer should be separate from the main story. Then again, if Anthem somehow works and becomes a big hit, it might be tempting for Bioware to use their "Our World, Your Story" approach for future games. Personally, I wouldn't want that, but I won't be angry if it does happen.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Aug 22, 2018 22:35:26 GMT
If Mass Effect were to utilize their "Our World, Your Story" approach, I think the best option is to have the social online interactions be through some kind of galaxy table (similar to ME3) where choices and actions from players impact how the overall galaxy is faring (not story choices, more general choices like eliminating enemy bases or setting up certain strongholds.) Or instead of having players actually interact with each other, have the galaxy change or experience events in real time that players can interact in their own games.
Honestly, the most sensical thing for implementing the "Our World, Your Story" is to incorporate a Black Flag or Sea of Thieves approach where players are now able to control their spaceships to explore the galaxy (the galaxy map can now serve as a guide or a fast-travel system) and get into ship based combat (something we haven't seen a lot of in Mass Effect). The players can choose how to interact with the characters in their ships and the planets are their own personal story driven hubs.
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 23, 2018 2:47:36 GMT
Eh......... I have to disagree. Mass Effect is honestly at least a little overrated. The writing is very mixed, especially after ME1 and for a series that sells itself on the writing that's kind of a problem. The characters are great (for the most part) but they are mostly irrelevant to the overarching plot. A plot that is established in the first game then forgotten in the second and then changed in the third. There are so many plot holes in ME2 and especially ME3 (you could fill an encyclopedia on the plot holes in the final mission alone). And this may be a divisive statement but the protagonist of the trilogy is awful. It's like they couldnt figure out if they wanted to make shepard an avatar character like Link who has no set personality so you can try and head canon one yourself, or an actual character with a personality. It makes no sense how you can be a complete renegade the entire series, killing innocent people everywhere you go and not even trying to warn the hundreds of thousands of batarians in the Arrival DLC.... but then shepard throws a fit when one kid on earth dies. You can literally be the nicest person in the world one second and the most evil person ever the next. While I agree with a lot of the issue in Andromeda, at least Ryder had somewhat of a set personality. Ryder was actually kind of a character unlike shepard. Oh and shepard is a complete moron too. I don't even want to list all the stupid things he does but here's a few: Telling Joker to close the distance on the Collector ship even though Joker is safely destroying it from far away with the Thanix cannon and what happens? they crash as a result. Not telling legion to hold on for a minute while he explains to the quarians that the geth are trying to upload the code (gee wouldnt that have been useful information in trying to convince them to stand down?), stupidly walking in to an obvious trap on the collector ship, continuing to blindly follow TIM in ME2 on every mission he wants you to go on even after he tricked you into walking in to a trap, blaming Tali for something her ancestors did, not picking up more than one weapon on the collector ship, walking in to the red tube that he shoots in the red ending while it's exploding, not further questioning the kid at the end of ME3 on the MANY inconsistencies in the kid's logic and the things you are not told, etc. Also why does shepard care so much about earth when the GALAXY is at stake? He keeps acting like we are assembling an army of all the races to only take back humanity's home planet (and it's only the by nature of the awful and contrived plot that we end up going there in the end). Sure I can see why humans would care about earth being attacked, but assembling an army comprised of all the citadel's people to prioritize earth over everything else when trillions of lives are at stake all across the known galaxy is incredibly selfish. Where was this army to take back Thessia? Remember at this point we didnt even know earth was special for no reason. There's a few lines that sum up how stupid he is: "This isnt about tactics or strategy. This is about survival." 10 seconds later "We fight or we die, that's the plan." Well shepard, one would assume that fighting would involve tactics or strategy you fucking moron. Also this one: "And if I die, I'll die knowing I did everything I could to stop you" This is literally seconds after the kid explains that the red ending will kill him and the reapers for good. So shepard obviously wasnt thinking straight when he said that because he had the option to stop the kid right then and there. Also he's basically a machine that has to respond in polar opposites to any situation. And in regards to you saying that people had too high of expectations with the ending and that people wanted a sunshine and rainbows ending etc. You are wrong. Perhaps some people did want a happy ending and they didnt get one but that is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from the only issue with the ending. I won't go in to TOO much detail because there's so much wrong with it but I'll sum up some of the reason why the ending so bad. It makes no sense, it's conveyed in a confusing manner so it's impossible to make sense of it, it introduces a motive for the reapers that makes no sense and this is proven in the mass effect universe (peace between the quarians and geth, edi, etc.), the solutions the catalyst creates to fix this issue DONT EVEN FIX THE ISSUE ( for example, what's to stop cybernetic people from creating synthetics that then kill their creators in the green ending?), the ending comes down to picking 1 of 3 buttons which pretty much throws all your choices in the trilogy out the window as anyone who played MP enough would have access to the same choices you would, characters randomly teleporting on to ships, an epilogue that makes no sense, no real closure at all to any of the races or the characters, We don't even know if the council survived ffsm, etc. You know...it kills me that I cannot disagree with any of this. or anything else you've posted here, especially about the Quarians, as that was always one of my biggest complaints... I played ME1 over 50 times, ME2 over 35 times, I bought every comic, every book, every Collectors Edition, and every single piece of DLC. I also bought almost $1,000 worth of physical merchandise, two of the $150 Armor Hoodie, two pairs of the first run of N7 shoes that cost $90, a $15 Ball Cap, a $15 shirt, a $15 belt buckle I've never even used, a $15 N7 Wallet, a custom N7 Keychain for my car keys I had to order from Hong Kong, about $60 worth of Lithographs that I bought very nice, glass frames for that as of this moment still hang on my wall. You add all that to the cost of all the comics and books? yea, your getting up there. Had I the money at the time I would have also bought the $250 limited edition Spectre branded weatherproof wrist watch and the $150 Mass Relay necklace. Frankly I would have bought so much more, socks, sleep pants, more shirts, the leather jacket, drinking glasses, more Lithographs. Were I a wealthy man I would have also had my entire Car redone in black, with the red and white N7 Stripe down the middle, I am not kidding... I was the mass effect equivalent of the old school star wars fans with entire rooms full of star wars crap, only I didn't have the type of disposable income to be one of those guys... So please, anyone who reads this, know I was the biggest Mass Effect fan you likely would have ever met. I had encyclopedic knowledge of the setting, down to the smallest facts and details, so do not try to tell me how great this franchise is, or that I didn't understand what it was all about, or any other type of "fan" argument to defend this franchise from criticism. Mass Effect 3 was the ultimate pain, on an emotional level. The best way for me to describe it would be this. You married your life long childhood sweetheart, and for 5 years your lives are a perfect utopia. Every other problem in your world does not matter, because you have them. Then one day you come home, and find your one true love, sleeping with your BFF in your bed, and not only that, they tell you that "you were simply too stupid to understand", that you were the problem all this time and throws divorce papers in your face. That was ME3 to me... It's been 6 years now, and it still hurts, though it has now become a dull, aching pain. But that pain woke me up from the haze of enamored miasma I was in. It made me take a long hard look at this thing that I loved, trying desperately to understand how this all went so badly. It was very difficult for me, and took a long time to come to terms with the reality of what I had found. Which was how deeply flawed this whole experience really is. All the problems and inconsistencies I willfully overlooked due to my previous affection blinding me from admitting my beloved ever had any problems. I cannot tell you how many times I've tried going back, to replay these games since this revelation, only to stop after ME1 because I cannot handle the thought of what awaits me after. All the pain, all the retcons, all the poor planning...all the wasted potential...hell half the time I cannot even finish ME1 now, due to just how painful these thoughts are to me... I cannot play these games anymore...and Andromeda only reinforced that belief...My hope for this thing that I loved, is utterly gone...But on that note. No matter what anyone says...there never is, was and ever will be, anything wrong with the idea, of wanting ME to have a happy ending. People can take their "Dark = Art" attitude and shove it. A happy ending, should always be an option. Some of the greatest works in human history, have happy endings. The thrill is gone, man. It happens.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 23, 2018 2:53:55 GMT
Yeah, I recommend that in Mass Effect, the multiplayer should be separate from the main story. Then again, if Anthem somehow works and becomes a big hit, it might be tempting for Bioware to use their "Our World, Your Story" approach for future games. Personally, I wouldn't want that, but I won't be angry if it does happen. If BioWare wants to buy me high speed internet, sure. Also, if they can weed out the assholes who can't accept I'm never going to devote the time (to be well skilled) or money (for "extras"), we might be on to something. Otherwise, I'll probably stick to being a player who is constantly behind because I won't throw my money away or devote my time to becoming a super-skilled player. Just not happening.
For example, I've been playing SW: Galaxy of Heroes on my mobile for some time. For a very long time, I was always in the top 10 of my clan. I never paid money. All of a sudden, there are these people who have skyrocketed past me and I'm ranked more like 16 or 17. If I had to fight against them, I couldn't compete. Without a doubt they spent money to upgrade their characters and such. Why should I have to spend my money, beyond the price of the game, to be able to compete?
These are reasons why I'm not a fan of MP-only games. The money spent also becomes an investment that locks you in and either 1) you accept the loss of money and eventually move on, or 2) you stay because of the time and money spent. It's kind of a trap and I definitely don't want to be sucked into it.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 23, 2018 2:58:37 GMT
I played ME1 over 50 times, ME2 over 35 times, Excellent. Have a like. If interested, here's a thread you can post your numbers.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 23, 2018 3:11:39 GMT
I played ME1 over 50 times, ME2 over 35 times, Excellent. Have a like. If interested, here's a thread you can post your numbers. Still not sure of my numbers, just hours.
ME1: 737
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ME3: 1268 MEA: 312
You can see which game got the most of my attention. Really wish I knew playthroughs. I suppose I'd have to go through all my profiles and see which ones I completed. It's unlikely to be 50 for any of them.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 23, 2018 3:15:22 GMT
Excellent. Have a like. If interested, here's a thread you can post your numbers. Still not sure of my numbers, just hours.
ME1: 737
ME2: 735
ME3: 1268 MEA: 312
You can see which game got the most of my attention. Really wish I knew playthroughs. I suppose I'd have to go through all my profiles and see which ones I completed. It's unlikely to be 50 for any of them.
I gave you a like for the number of hours especially since you started playing the trilogy in 2016. If you like, post your numbers in the link from my post
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You know...it kills me that I cannot disagree with any of this. or anything else you've posted here, especially about the Quarians, as that was always one of my biggest complaints... I played ME1 over 50 times, ME2 over 35 times, I bought every comic, every book, every Collectors Edition, and every single piece of DLC. I also bought almost $1,000 worth of physical merchandise, two of the $150 Armor Hoodie, two pairs of the first run of N7 shoes that cost $90, a $15 Ball Cap, a $15 shirt, a $15 belt buckle I've never even used, a $15 N7 Wallet, a custom N7 Keychain for my car keys I had to order from Hong Kong, about $60 worth of Lithographs that I bought very nice, glass frames for that as of this moment still hang on my wall. You add all that to the cost of all the comics and books? yea, your getting up there. Had I the money at the time I would have also bought the $250 limited edition Spectre branded weatherproof wrist watch and the $150 Mass Relay necklace. Frankly I would have bought so much more, socks, sleep pants, more shirts, the leather jacket, drinking glasses, more Lithographs. Were I a wealthy man I would have also had my entire Car redone in black, with the red and white N7 Stripe down the middle, I am not kidding... I was the mass effect equivalent of the old school star wars fans with entire rooms full of star wars crap, only I didn't have the type of disposable income to be one of those guys... So please, anyone who reads this, know I was the biggest Mass Effect fan you likely would have ever met. I had encyclopedic knowledge of the setting, down to the smallest facts and details, so do not try to tell me how great this franchise is, or that I didn't understand what it was all about, or any other type of "fan" argument to defend this franchise from criticism. Mass Effect 3 was the ultimate pain, on an emotional level. The best way for me to describe it would be this. You married your life long childhood sweetheart, and for 5 years your lives are a perfect utopia. Every other problem in your world does not matter, because you have them. Then one day you come home, and find your one true love, sleeping with your BFF in your bed, and not only that, they tell you that "you were simply too stupid to understand", that you were the problem all this time and throws divorce papers in your face. That was ME3 to me... It's been 6 years now, and it still hurts, though it has now become a dull, aching pain. But that pain woke me up from the haze of enamored miasma I was in. It made me take a long hard look at this thing that I loved, trying desperately to understand how this all went so badly. It was very difficult for me, and took a long time to come to terms with the reality of what I had found. Which was how deeply flawed this whole experience really is. All the problems and inconsistencies I willfully overlooked due to my previous affection blinding me from admitting my beloved ever had any problems. I cannot tell you how many times I've tried going back, to replay these games since this revelation, only to stop after ME1 because I cannot handle the thought of what awaits me after. All the pain, all the retcons, all the poor planning...all the wasted potential...hell half the time I cannot even finish ME1 now, due to just how painful these thoughts are to me... I cannot play these games anymore...and Andromeda only reinforced that belief...My hope for this thing that I loved, is utterly gone...But on that note. No matter what anyone says...there never is, was and ever will be, anything wrong with the idea, of wanting ME to have a happy ending. People can take their "Dark = Art" attitude and shove it. A happy ending, should always be an option. Some of the greatest works in human history, have happy endings. Reading your hole comment twice, made me realise that I had the same problem with the Dragon Age franchise. (except the merchandising I never expend more than 50 or 100 € in my case and it's not a thing I do usually) I don't know if I have to feel sad or what, to be honest.
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Post by quole on Aug 25, 2018 23:21:58 GMT
Keep in mind though it's apparently legal to discriminate against quarians and not hire them on the citadel. I s it? Or do they simply turn a blind eye? The C-Sec officer who was harassing the quarian in ME2 was actually doing his job, even if he was being an asshole about it. He could have "run her in for vagrancy" but he didn't. That, in theory, applies to anyone who is a vagrant. (A Council species, or a client species, might get more help.) I don't really want to get into race politics, but certain races do generally get discriminated against for no reason other than the color of their skin. Or place of origin. That would make sense but according to the quarian on the citadel in ME2 apparently there are literally signs that say "not hiring quarians". There's nothing wrong with racial discrimination in a story. That can work very well. My issue here was that the legal discrimination against quarians was not justified (it would be like not hiring Germans because of WW2) and that it just seemed like another way to make them suffer. Heck before Me3 was out there was no information on what a thanix cannon especially what one sized for a ship larger than the normandy would do to a reaper, it used tech discovered from sovereign. For all we knew it could blow through their shields and drop a reaper or at least do enough to give them a fighting chance. I was wondering why the hell didn't the Normandy blow the Reaper to bits if the cannon was from the weapon systems from Sovereign??? The writers are not really that bright, aren't they? Ahh yes the worst plot hole in the entire franchise; being able to destroy a reaper in ONE shot with a cain. This makes even less sense since even on the easiest difficulty the uncompleted human reaper doesnt go down with show from a cain. The hades cannon is either mounted on the back of it or it is simply designed in the exact same way as a reaper which begs the question of why it doesnt also have the same protection as one? In fact if it's a specialized weapon then it's probably more important than a standard reaper and would logically have even greater protection than a standard reaper. How the hell did this make it to the finished product? This issue would have been completely resolved if it looked nothing like a reaper and was much smaller. Like I said the final mission in ME3 alone could fill an encyclopedia with the amount of things wrong with it.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 26, 2018 2:43:32 GMT
I s it? Or do they simply turn a blind eye? The C-Sec officer who was harassing the quarian in ME2 was actually doing his job, even if he was being an asshole about it. He could have "run her in for vagrancy" but he didn't. That, in theory, applies to anyone who is a vagrant. (A Council species, or a client species, might get more help.) I don't really want to get into race politics, but certain races do generally get discriminated against for no reason other than the color of their skin. Or place of origin. That would make sense but according to the quarian on the citadel in ME2 apparently there are literally signs that say "not hiring quarians". There's nothing wrong with racial discrimination in a story. That can work very well. My issue here was that the legal discrimination against quarians was not justified (it would be like not hiring Germans because of WW2) and that it just seemed like another way to make them suffer. I was wondering why the hell didn't the Normandy blow the Reaper to bits if the cannon was from the weapon systems from Sovereign??? The writers are not really that bright, aren't they? Ahh yes the worst plot hole in the entire franchise; being able to destroy a reaper in ONE shot with a cain. This makes even less sense since even on the easiest difficulty the uncompleted human reaper doesnt go down with show from a cain. The hades cannon is either mounted on the back of it or it is simply designed in the exact same way as a reaper which begs the question of why it doesnt also have the same protection as one? In fact if it's a specialized weapon then it's probably more important than a standard reaper and would logically have even greater protection than a standard reaper. How the hell did this make it to the finished product? This issue would have been completely resolved if it looked nothing like a reaper and was much smaller. Like I said the final mission in ME3 alone could fill an encyclopedia with the amount of things wrong with it. Stop spouting that BS. You don't destroy a Reaper with the Cain that is a weapon not a Reaper.
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Post by quole on Aug 26, 2018 3:45:05 GMT
That would make sense but according to the quarian on the citadel in ME2 apparently there are literally signs that say "not hiring quarians". There's nothing wrong with racial discrimination in a story. That can work very well. My issue here was that the legal discrimination against quarians was not justified (it would be like not hiring Germans because of WW2) and that it just seemed like another way to make them suffer. Ahh yes the worst plot hole in the entire franchise; being able to destroy a reaper in ONE shot with a cain. This makes even less sense since even on the easiest difficulty the uncompleted human reaper doesnt go down with show from a cain. The hades cannon is either mounted on the back of it or it is simply designed in the exact same way as a reaper which begs the question of why it doesnt also have the same protection as one? In fact if it's a specialized weapon then it's probably more important than a standard reaper and would logically have even greater protection than a standard reaper. How the hell did this make it to the finished product? This issue would have been completely resolved if it looked nothing like a reaper and was much smaller. Like I said the final mission in ME3 alone could fill an encyclopedia with the amount of things wrong with it. Stop spouting that BS. You don't destroy a Reaper with the Cain that is a weapon not a Reaper. You didnt read what I said did you? Why would there be a weapon that has the size and appearance of a reaper but not have all the protections of a reaper? What sense does that make? It makes even less sense since this is a hades cannon which makes it more important than a typical reaper and thus if anything it should have even more protection than a standard reaper. Again this whole issue could have been avoided if they just made the hades cannon smaller and less similar to a reaper instead of making it literally a reaper in appearance. Also if heavy weapons like the cain are that powerful and that useful why was shepard's team (you know the most skilled team on the entire battlefield) not equipped with them? Instead apparently some other random team was equipped with them and they unsurprisingly required help. In fact while we are on the subject of magical weapons on the final mission, what is a thannix missle and where did they come from and why were they never mentioned before in the series? If a few of them can kill a reaper then that makes them unbelievably strong considering it took an entire quairan fleet multiple shots to kill a reaper. Gee if only we had a couple of these when fighting the reapers on Rannoch and Tachunka.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 26, 2018 4:07:20 GMT
Stop spouting that BS. You don't destroy a Reaper with the Cain that is a weapon not a Reaper. You didnt read what I said did you? Why would there be a weapon that has the size and appearance of a reaper but not have all the protections of a reaper? What sense does that make? It makes even less sense since this is a hades cannon which makes it more important than a typical reaper and thus if anything it should have even more protection than a standard reaper. Again this whole issue could have been avoided if they just made the hades cannon smaller and less similar to a reaper instead of making it literally a reaper in appearance. Also if heavy weapons like the cain are that powerful and that useful why was shepard's team (you know the most skilled team on the entire battlefield) not equipped with them? Instead apparently some other random team was equipped with them and they unsurprisingly required help. In fact while we are on the subject of magical weapons on the final mission, what is a thannix missle and where did they come from and why were they never mentioned before in the series? If a few of them can kill a reaper then that makes them unbelievably strong considering it took an entire quairan fleet multiple shots to kill a reaper. Gee if only we had a couple of these when fighting the reapers on Rannoch and Tachunka. I did and its a weapon of Reaper design but not a Reaper. Thannix missles are similar to the Thannix cannon introduced in ME2. Similar technology. Also it wad a unique circumstance on Earth.
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Post by quole on Aug 26, 2018 4:38:31 GMT
You didnt read what I said did you? Why would there be a weapon that has the size and appearance of a reaper but not have all the protections of a reaper? What sense does that make? It makes even less sense since this is a hades cannon which makes it more important than a typical reaper and thus if anything it should have even more protection than a standard reaper. Again this whole issue could have been avoided if they just made the hades cannon smaller and less similar to a reaper instead of making it literally a reaper in appearance. Also if heavy weapons like the cain are that powerful and that useful why was shepard's team (you know the most skilled team on the entire battlefield) not equipped with them? Instead apparently some other random team was equipped with them and they unsurprisingly required help. In fact while we are on the subject of magical weapons on the final mission, what is a thannix missle and where did they come from and why were they never mentioned before in the series? If a few of them can kill a reaper then that makes them unbelievably strong considering it took an entire quairan fleet multiple shots to kill a reaper. Gee if only we had a couple of these when fighting the reapers on Rannoch and Tachunka. I did and its a weapon of Reaper design but not a Reaper. Thannix missles are similar to the Thannix cannon introduced in ME2. Similar technology. Also it wad a unique circumstance on Earth. I get that you are a hardcore ME fan but you are ignoring what I am saying and simply excusing bad writing. The point I was making was that thanix missles were a deus ex machina device just like the entire plot of ME3. Why were they never mentioned or used before this and just show up at the end like it's nothing? And why does the hades cannon look exactly like a reaper but lack all of the protection of one when it would obviously need it more?
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Post by themikefest on Aug 26, 2018 10:57:34 GMT
The thannix missiles are seen during Kasumi's loyalty mission. They're also seen as mini-me missiles on the Normandy in the area where James has his weights.
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 26, 2018 13:02:41 GMT
You didnt read what I said did you? Why would there be a weapon that has the size and appearance of a reaper but not have all the protections of a reaper? What sense does that make? It makes even less sense since this is a hades cannon which makes it more important than a typical reaper and thus if anything it should have even more protection than a standard reaper. Again this whole issue could have been avoided if they just made the hades cannon smaller and less similar to a reaper instead of making it literally a reaper in appearance. Also if heavy weapons like the cain are that powerful and that useful why was shepard's team (you know the most skilled team on the entire battlefield) not equipped with them? Instead apparently some other random team was equipped with them and they unsurprisingly required help. In fact while we are on the subject of magical weapons on the final mission, what is a thannix missle and where did they come from and why were they never mentioned before in the series? If a few of them can kill a reaper then that makes them unbelievably strong considering it took an entire quairan fleet multiple shots to kill a reaper. Gee if only we had a couple of these when fighting the reapers on Rannoch and Tachunka. I did and its a weapon of Reaper design but not a Reaper.
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