Rebellions, Genophages & In-game Depictions - Krogan Whitewashing 101

ME 1 you can potentially kill Wrex over a possible cure to the genophage or you require really high paragon or renegade points to talk him out of it.

ME 2 there is no cure so he continues on without the option of the cure

ME 3 the Reapers show up and devastate the galaxy in weeks, a cure opinion is found and Wrex actually has the bargaining chips to ask for it.

I might have been more sympathetic towards the krogan if BioWare was okay at math. Their birth rate is so absurd they could literally overpopulate the entire galaxy in 1000 years. Even if the number is hyperbole and it’s more like 100 in a clutch they would over populate the known galaxy quick. At a thousand kids they could populate 250,000 planets in two generations. At 100 it’s 2500 planets. Does any species have even 100 planets under its control? Even if they were pacifists there would be horrific consequences. And the culture they put forth doesn’t really come across as pro birth control. And that birthrate sounds cool for the war effort but if the war goes on long enough for a generation. That’s the reapers birth rate not yours thanks to indoctrination. The reapers are dumb but they seem to understand genetic advantages and how to exploit them.

In andromeda I guess they have another couple generations of leeway since they have so few krogan there. I don’t think they give a current population so it’s hard to estimate how long before they overwhelm every planet nearby with sheer numbers. Still I’d wipe them out as soon as what’s her face had a full horde born.

All they need to have done is brought some DNA with them, and maybe one day we'll see them cloned and reborn in Andromeda.

True, in theory. Imagine if they were turned into kett? It would be the Rachni Wars all over again.

Kett can't breed, so its probable they'd have to enslave the queen like the Reapers did in ME3.

I was thinking about how some people don't want to save the krogan because of the Krogan Rebellions. The krogan were uplifted to deal with the rachni. If you cure the genophage and save the rachni don't we have something of a stalemate? I figure they could sort of checkmate each other in terms of conquest. I think gaining the resources of the krogan and the rachni is worth the potential risk.

Which means the salarians have to come up with a way to decrease the number of eggs lain by the females.  I wouldn't call length of lifespan an issue since the asari don't seem to have a problem.

Sure and if the cure for the genophage implied that in the slightest I’d support it. But it was just cure the genophage and they gave us those terrible numbers multiple times. And length of lifespan matters in that they have explosive population growth but aren’t losing numbers due to natural causes. At 1000 kids it would still be overwhelming it just speeds up how bad it is.

This is why one of my suggestions was to plant rachni colonies wherever krogan lived.  It could prevent excessive expansion.

Me2 you landed in potentially wrex or wreaves camp either way everyone was warlike just potentially in different ways. They were all bigots except the merchant and a decent amount of them wanted to kill every Salarian and turian. And potentially with wrex in charge that’s the best of their species so to speak. Me3 we see some art and culture from the time before they nuked their planet into a post apocalyptic hell hole. But on earth plenty of petty murderous warlords like having art around to show off how amazing they are so it’s not a big surprise you’d find some in a warlord dominated culture of billions. All of their oral history is about war and warlike rituals. There are krogan around from the rebellions and they went through the same rituals so it’s not like this is some new thing they sprang on the galaxy post uplifting.

Sure the initial issue is the uplifting. But, the options seemed to be be eaten by bug monsters or uplift a race strong enough to fight them. So I kind of give them a pass on that. But krogan are still intelligent creatures. They had choices on what to do next. They chose war. And dropping moons on planet style war. Sure why they started the war is more complex, they had some reasons but not good enough ones for what they did. And in the last 1000 years have they done anything to indicate they want to charge? Not even with wrex in charge is that true. He might be willing to but walking around his camp in me2 it’s clear no one else really wants to.

And again even if they all converted to a belief system of pacifism there birth rate would still overwhelm the galaxy, not just the known sectors the entire damn galaxy quick.

Let’s say krogan population gets down to 10 million after the reapers. Well one generation later it’s billons. That generation has kids it’s trillions. So in 2 generations they already out populate the rest of the council races combined. 3 generations it’s quadrillions. If any of these generations have 2 sets of kids which is implied they go for you are at quintillion’s in 4 generations. Let’s assume billions per planet. That’s billions of planets at this point. One more generation and I hope there is enough material to turn every star into a Dyson sphere because you’ll need it. Or hey overpopulation of 1000 galaxies then a million. Shit a krogan who fought the reapers might be alive to see that. It’s a bit overly simplistic I’m sure there will be krogan dying in car crashes or whatever kills a one ton armored regenerating tank monster, or choose not to have kids etc but 1,000 kids. Wtf were the writers thinking.

If it’s the only way to stop the reapers sure, gamble that the Salarians will fix it again before the krogan kill them all. But I’d rather gamble on my lie. So I will shoot mordin in the back every time wrex is alive. Which is rare so I normally just convince him not to. I actually don’t even have a problem with the Salarians holding off support unless we do this. Why would they give a fuck about saving the galaxy if they will just get murdered a few years later by the krogan. It’s nice to be altruistic but it’s our actions that will murder every salarian, so I can see them telling us to fuck off.