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Post by fylimar on Sept 2, 2020 8:41:04 GMT
Late to the party because I just recently discovered Maevaris. I would love to have her as a companion in the next game, she would make a great addition.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 2, 2020 8:50:40 GMT
When we started to analyse the sorts of skills and knowledge Maevaris could bring to the table, I started to realise I would like to meet her in game. May be she will just be an advisor/quest setter type of contact but I'd be happy to have her as the mage in my party. It has also occurred to me after discussing the possibility of solving the murder of Dorian's father on Schmooples thread and remembering that epilogue slide concerning Iron Bull. What if the Venatori, or someone else, kidnap Dorian again? So Maevaris gets involved with our little underworld organisation to help her track him down and rescue him? That would make sense. She can't trust the sort of people she might normally use, so she has to appeal to our little group. May be has even worked with/used some of them before? Sorted.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 2, 2020 12:42:01 GMT
There is one thing that mitigates against her actually being a party member: Spoiler from Tevinter Nights When Hollix asked why Dorian and Maevaris don't hunt down the Cekorax themselves, since they are clearly capable of doing so, Dorian says they have their work cut out keeping an eye on what the scoundrels in the Magisterium are getting up to and win over those that they can to their cause. Maevaris is likely more experienced at navigating the politics of the Magisterium than Dorian is, so less likely to be able to be spared from watch duty. If they can't spare the time to hunt down a monster in their own city, I doubt they would be able to leave it for any extended length of time or even get involved in a more lengthy quests in Minrathous.
Still the situation could change, so I wouldn't rule her out entirely. In fact once Hollix had found the Cekorax and come up with a plan to kill it, Dorian and Maevaris did supply the necessary magic to do so. So may be they will make the PC put in the leg work and then join the party as an NPC for the final resolution of whatever plot they are working on.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 20:20:11 GMT
There is one thing that mitigates against her actually being a party member: Spoiler from Tevinter Nights When Hollix asked why Dorian and Maevaris don't hunt down the Cekorax themselves, since they are clearly capable of doing so, Dorian says they have their work cut out keeping an eye on what the scoundrels in the Magisterium are getting up to and win over those that they can to their cause. Maevaris is likely more experienced at navigating the politics of the Magisterium than Dorian is, so less likely to be able to be spared from watch duty. If they can't spare the time to hunt down a monster in their own city, I doubt they would be able to leave it for any extended length of time or even get involved in a more lengthy quests in Minrathous.
Still the situation could change, so I wouldn't rule her out entirely. In fact once Hollix had found the Cekorax and come up with a plan to kill it, Dorian and Maevaris did supply the necessary magic to do so. So may be they will make the PC put in the leg work and then join the party as an NPC for the final resolution of whatever plot they are working on. I was also wondering how they could get around this so she could be in the party, but the best idea I could come up with was doing something similar to what they did with Morrigan in Inquisition, where she joins you on the important mission/missions, but I don't like this idea because I would really love to have her as a full time party member.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 3, 2020 20:25:30 GMT
For all you Maevaris fans, the star she was based on. I know the original Mae wasn't trans but she was amazing and they use some of her one liners in this video. She was 79 when she made the recording. Listen through it to the end and pay attention. It is a scream. If Maevaris is only half-way as good as this it will liven up a dull day.
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Post by phoray on Sept 3, 2020 21:24:46 GMT
See my previous post harking back to Mark of the Assassin. We actually were given the choice of doing that if we wished. I had totally forgotten about that. It's a DLC I played the least and by least, maybe once. I don't see that working for a whole game, but perhaps on specific types of missions.
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Post by vertigomez on Sept 4, 2020 0:00:59 GMT
For all you Maevaris fans, the star she was based on. I know the original Mae wasn't trans but she was amazing and they use some of her one liners in this video. She was 79 when she made the recording. Listen through it to the end and pay attention. It is a scream. If Maevaris is only half-way as good as this it will liven up a dull day. She's so clever and glamorous. 😭😍 Mae West was one of my earliest crushes and if Mae Tilani's even, like, 30% of that plus being a super wizardess dwarf appreciator?? i'M GONE
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 1:43:33 GMT
There is one thing that mitigates against her actually being a party member: Spoiler from Tevinter Nights When Hollix asked why Dorian and Maevaris don't hunt down the Cekorax themselves, since they are clearly capable of doing so, Dorian says they have their work cut out keeping an eye on what the scoundrels in the Magisterium are getting up to and win over those that they can to their cause. Maevaris is likely more experienced at navigating the politics of the Magisterium than Dorian is, so less likely to be able to be spared from watch duty. If they can't spare the time to hunt down a monster in their own city, I doubt they would be able to leave it for any extended length of time or even get involved in a more lengthy quests in Minrathous.
Still the situation could change, so I wouldn't rule her out entirely. In fact once Hollix had found the Cekorax and come up with a plan to kill it, Dorian and Maevaris did supply the necessary magic to do so. So may be they will make the PC put in the leg work and then join the party as an NPC for the final resolution of whatever plot they are working on. this is sort of the main reason I suspect both Maevaris and Dorian are more likely to be advisor/quest-givers rather than companion/party members, it seems like they have plenty of other work to do on the political side of things.. though I'd be happy to have either/both in the party, I was a big fan of Dorian and Maevaris sounds like an interesting character from what I've gleaned about the novels (haven't actually read any of them myself, though I expect I'll have to remedy that at some point here- always looking for new reading material anyways, and now my DA interest has been piqued by the latest trailer/art reveal)
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 15, 2020 18:33:27 GMT
Well surprise surprise Varric is back and i assume as a major character ("I´ve got your back) so what does mean for the widow of Varric cousin Thorold? Both could be companions but i hope that only Mae is one. For Varric i would prefer as less screentime as possible.
I still don´t like the idea that Varric is back but maybe his reason why is in Tevinter could be that he is helping Mae because she lost her home in Ventus (the former Qarinus) to the Qunari.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 15, 2020 18:46:46 GMT
I still don´t like the idea that Varric is back but maybe his reason why is in Tevinter could be that he is helping Mae because she lost her home in Ventus (the former Qarinus) to the Qunari. Well I imagine Mae has a place in Minrathous as well but if Varric was to show up in Minrathous then she is the person he would most likely stay with, so I suppose having Varric involved in some way might increase the chances of at least meeting up with Maevaris.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 15, 2020 19:29:06 GMT
so I suppose having Varric involved in some way might increase the chances of at least meeting up with Maevaris. Of course everything is possible (like Bodahn and Sandal not appearing visual in DAI after several hints in DA 2) but to be honest i would be shocked it Mae isn´t in DA 4.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Mar 1, 2021 14:52:59 GMT
So now that DA 4 isn´t a game with Multiplayer any longer can Bioware please bring back classic DAO and DA 2 healing and make Maevaris our healer companion for the DA 4 party? What would be nice.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 1, 2021 19:04:32 GMT
Maevaris our healer companion for the DA 4 party? What would be nice. If you mean as a specialism, to be honest I've always thought of Maevaris as a Battlemage (DAA), based off her appearance in the earlier comic series where she engaged in a lot of lightning magic when in combat and didn't mind mixing it at the forefront of battle. The description for Battlemage says: "Some mages specialize in spells that permit them to engage in combat from afar. Battlemages, by contrast, prefer to wade into the fray alongside their blade-wielding companions, close enough to read the fear in their opponents' eyes. Their spells are primarily concerned with personal preservation as well as control of the elements...." That is how Mae struck me in the comics. Not afraid to close with the enemy and face them down. Also it says the Battlemage's primary spells are connected with control of the elements. We haven't had a true Battlemage since DAA, so bring it on with Maevaris.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Mar 1, 2021 19:14:25 GMT
We haven't had a true Battlemage since DAA, so bring it on with Maevaris. Well i made no secret that i also want Calpernia along with Maevaris as DA 4 companion. So for balancing reason i see Calpernia more than adamage mage than Mae so i prefer her as healer.
For i you like this comparison more. Calpernia = Merrill and Mae = Anders (plus Justice & Vengeance) but all share some of the mage spells like lighting or fire.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 1, 2021 19:20:51 GMT
Mae = Anders (plus Justice & Vengeance) but all share some of the mage spells like lighting or fire. To be honest in DAA I did make Anders a Battlemage on top of his Spirit healer specialism. That was an awesome combination. I have found it rather disappointing how much specialisms have been limited as the games have progressed. Our companions were limited to only one in DA2 and then they did the same with the PC in DAI. I had a lot of fun mixing and matching specialism in DAO and DAA.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Mar 1, 2021 21:13:53 GMT
Our companions were limited to only one in DA2 and then they did the same with the PC in DAI. I had a lot of fun mixing and matching specialism in DAO and DAA. I like the DA 2 companion spec system more than DAO because it felt more unique and fitting to each character.
Of course for gameplay and fun view of things DAO seems to better but i personal prefer story over gameplay. Yes you can create Morrigan into the same spirit healer as Wynne or make Wynne into a shapeshifter
but what is the point to skill each class companion the same way? Also i am well aware that you skill Varric as a dagger rogue but it just feel wrong to do that.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 2, 2021 19:02:24 GMT
Yes you can create Morrigan into the same spirit healer as Wynne or make Wynne into a shapeshifter Funnily enough I never did that. I still wanted the specialisms to be appropriate to the character and I could never see Wynne agreeing to be a shapeshifter or a blood mage. I really only got into mixing the specialisms in DAA because there were more to play with. I like the DA 2 companion spec system more than DAO because it felt more unique and fitting to each character. I preferred DA2 to DAI in that respect. I wouldn't have minded people being limited to only one spec if they were unique to that person.
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Post by mattjamho on Mar 5, 2021 7:48:50 GMT
If Force Mage makes a return (and I hope it does) I’d like to see that as Mae’s spec, hurling foes around with a flick of her wrist. Plus Vivienne has cornered the market of ‘glamorous melee mage’ for me
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Post by vertigomez on Mar 5, 2021 13:24:59 GMT
I'd love to see unique companion trees again, like in DA2. Then Mae's spec could be something all her own.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Mar 5, 2021 18:19:17 GMT
I'd love to see unique companion trees again, like in DA2. Too be fair wasn´t really unique yes some (mostly passive) skills but the others area mix of the other specs.
By the way regarding the current Hogwarts Legacy discussion i can´t imagine that Bioware won´t make a transgender companion. And the best option is of course Mae because she won´t feel forced unlike a new transgender character.
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Post by Noxluxe on Mar 6, 2021 12:07:45 GMT
Considering the actual likelihood of any given character with a relevant backstory or accrued influence in a world with Earth-like demographics being transgender, I'd definitely say that it's a little forced in the sense that it would probably never happen organically.
That said, four games in, and with the crazy up-prioritization that bi-and-homosexual characters have already had since the beginning, one transgender companion at this point doesn't really seem strange or unreasonable. I'll raise a brow when people inevitably start calling the franchise transphobic for even thinking about not featuring one per game going forward though. Unless Bioware actually does it, in which case yeah, that'll be forced as hell. Though based on the trailer and promotional art it already looks like they've completely abandoned the gritty realism aspect of the franchise's roots.
Never heard of 'Maevaris Tilani' before, so I'd question the idea of her being "well-established", but if she's a big deal in the books or something I wouldn't know. No idea what kind of person she is.
Her bio gives me Vivienne vibes, with a large and notoriously traditional system of power uncharacteristically allowing her a prestigious position in spite of her obvious controversy because she theoretically earned it by "playing the game" to the point of being "both feared and respected". That approach always seemed really vague and cheap and did a lot of damage to Vivienne's likability and believability in my eyes. But I guess it's entirely possible that Maevaris can pull it off with better and more specific and believable writing.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 6, 2021 15:18:33 GMT
Never heard of 'Maevaris Tilani' before, so I'd question the idea of her being "well-established", but if she's a big deal in the books or something I wouldn't know. No idea what kind of person she is. She was mentioned in some of the War Table missions in DAI "Our Friend in Qarinus" among others. She is also mentioned by Dorian in Trespasser (in his letter to the Inquisitor I seem to recall) and appears in the epilogue slides, although looking less like the Maevaris in comics. She also has an entry in WoT2. So even without featuring in the original comic series by DG or Tevinter Nights, having her appear in Tevinter wouldn't be totally out of the blue. That's why I agree with people who say if they are going to have a transgender character in the next game, it would make sense for it to be Maevaris, whether she is a companion or not, because she is an already established character in the universe and comes from Tevinter. To be honest, it would be odd if they didn't include her but instead went for a totally new transgender character as that would seem forced.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Mar 8, 2021 19:47:45 GMT
That's why I agree with people who say if they are going to have a transgender character in the next game, it would make sense for it to be Maevaris, whether she is a companion or not, because she is an already established character in the universe and comes from Tevinter. To be honest, it would be odd if they didn't include her but instead went for a totally new transgender character as that would seem forced. Lets face it regardless whoever become the first transgender companion in a Bioware game there will be a big controversy about it. An already existing transgender who also made sense for the game setting is a better & less forced choice than a complete new one. Of course Bioware can still create a new transgender companion / major character but this one
will lose the already established flair which Mae has.
Also her debut was almost ten years ago so yeah that´s something there some "folks" can´t say that this a "recent woke agenda". But who knows some people will still hate Mae because they believe that she doesn´t belong in a Bioware game. And that´s Bullshit. So yeah DA 4 should have a transgender companion and Mae is the best option.
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Post by mattjamho on Mar 14, 2021 0:30:22 GMT
I 100% believe she’ll appear in the next game, but I’m just not sure if she’ll be our companion. I’d love her to be, but I guess it depends what company our new protag keeps. She’s a high profile magister after all, would she spend her time running around city streets and country sides with us?
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Post by andydandymandy on Mar 14, 2021 0:37:55 GMT
Honestly, if BioWare wanted to get around that problem to make her a party member couldn't they just come up with a storyline where she either leaves her position or is forced out in some way?
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