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Post by vertigomez on Sept 5, 2019 20:22:58 GMT
Uuugggghhh. I want to be excited but ~super sekrit pre-production no title, no release date, huehue "other stuff"~ is all we've been hearing for YEEEAARS sooooooo.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 5, 2019 20:27:30 GMT
I half wonder if the reason they are being secret is they can't release any info. At this point any of the marketing speak might be really stretching the truth... because the console they are releasing it on hasn't been announced either.
Honestly if we are to take the definition of pre production posted above is accurate I even doubt they are still in pre production given that they did announce it to the world...technically.
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Post by vertigomez on Sept 5, 2019 20:33:47 GMT
Meh good things come to those who wait. I wish I could believe this looool. But I think we're just going to have a suuuuuper long wait for a product that isn't any better/more polished than the previous game - not that I don't love DAI - because they've been developing MEA and Anthem in the interim years and they're only just now focusing on DA. I don't understand how a game wins GOTY and then gets dropped like a hot potato for five, 10?? years.
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Post by The Elder King on Sept 5, 2019 20:35:23 GMT
I half wonder if the reason they are being secret is they can't release any info. At this point any of the marketing speak might be really stretching the truth... because the console they are releasing it on hasn't been announced either. Honestly if we are to take the definition of pre production posted above is accurate I even doubt they are still in pre production given that they did announce it to the world... While the rumours of Hudson-EA clash of last year might not be true/completely true, I think they shown the teaser at the Game Awards to have it out in the public, as well as one of the focal point of the game (maybe to avoid another project cut?) I think possibly waiting for the full announcement of the next gen platforms might also be a valid reason, if DA4 will indeed be released only on them. It’d be nice to get something, even another blog post officially announcing the game and the title, for Dragon Age Day, but I think it might too early. Same for the Game Awards, unless they’ll show a cinematic trailer.
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Post by The Elder King on Sept 5, 2019 20:39:20 GMT
Meh good things come to those who wait. I wish I could believe this looool. But I think we're just going to have a suuuuuper long wait for a product that isn't any better/more polished than the previous game - not that I don't love DAI - because they've been developing MEA and Anthem in the interim years and they're only just now focusing on DA. I don't understand how a game wins GOTY and then gets dropped like a hot potato for five, 10?? years. It wasn’t dropped. The original project was cut and they had to start all over again in 2017 (I think.) That delayed the game development. Given how most of their workforce was on Anthem and MEA, and the 2 years have just passed, paired with the cut and restart, it’s normal we have to wait to see the game, in my opinion. Expecially if they don’t want to rush it. I think howewer that after Anthem’s release the team most likely got bigger, expecially after the shift on Anthem from Edmonton to Austin. As for being better and more polished then DAI, we can just wait and see. But given how harsh DAI’s development was, it’d take a lot to not have a better polish, expecially if they’re taking the time. Not developing on platforms like PS3 and 360 definitely helps, and it’d help even more if DA4 is next gen only.
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Post by vertigomez on Sept 5, 2019 20:48:14 GMT
I wish I could believe this looool. But I think we're just going to have a suuuuuper long wait for a product that isn't any better/more polished than the previous game - not that I don't love DAI - because they've been developing MEA and Anthem in the interim years and they're only just now focusing on DA. I don't understand how a game wins GOTY and then gets dropped like a hot potato for five, 10?? years. It wasn’t dropped. The original project was cut and they had to start all over again in 2017 (I think.) That delayed the game development. Given how most of their workforce was on Anthem and MEA, and the 2 years have just passed, paired with the cut and restart, it’s normal we have to wait to see the game, in my opinion. Expecially if they don’t want to rush it. I think howewer that after Anthem’s release the team most likely got bigger, expecially after the shift on Anthem from Edmonton to Austin. As for being better and more polished then DAI, we can just wait and see. But given how harsh DAI’s development was, it’d take a lot to not have a better polish, expecially if they’re taking the time. Not developing on platforms like PS3 and 360 definitely helps, and it’d help even more if DA4 is next gen only. The original project being cut and having to start all over again sure sounds like being dropped to me. It's just a.... delayed drop that's only recently getting picked up again, maybe. Still ~super secret~ tho.
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Post by The Elder King on Sept 5, 2019 20:55:38 GMT
It wasn’t dropped. The original project was cut and they had to start all over again in 2017 (I think.) That delayed the game development. Given how most of their workforce was on Anthem and MEA, and the 2 years have just passed, paired with the cut and restart, it’s normal we have to wait to see the game, in my opinion. Expecially if they don’t want to rush it. I think howewer that after Anthem’s release the team most likely got bigger, expecially after the shift on Anthem from Edmonton to Austin. As for being better and more polished then DAI, we can just wait and see. But given how harsh DAI’s development was, it’d take a lot to not have a better polish, expecially if they’re taking the time. Not developing on platforms like PS3 and 360 definitely helps, and it’d help even more if DA4 is next gen only. The original project being cut and having to start all over again sure sounds like being dropped to me. It's just a.... delayed drop that's only recently getting picked up again, maybe. Still ~super secret~ tho. It’s not a drop and picked up because based on Kotaku’s reveals, the story and plot was completely unrelated to Solas. Instead, with the teaser they shown, we can safely say the Dread Wolf will have a major role in the game. Also, Laidlaw left around that time and there’s no sources he worked on the new project, while in the blog after the Game Awards, with the announcement of Goldman as Lead Director, it seemed like he worked on it for a bit, and with the timeframe of the original project being cut in 2017 and the Awards being in december 2018, it difficult they’d have just straight out stop to work.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 5, 2019 21:05:21 GMT
Meh good things come to those who wait. I wish I could believe this looool. But I think we're just going to have a suuuuuper long wait for a product that isn't any better/more polished than the previous game - not that I don't love DAI - because they've been developing MEA and Anthem in the interim years and they're only just now focusing on DA. I don't understand how a game wins GOTY and then gets dropped like a hot potato for five, 10?? years. To adress your second point first 'what happened' was the production issues with both Anthem and MEA. What happened was they got the project rebooted to some capacity. What happened is...and this is pretty much a theory but it seems to fit...they had to release two other games plus TOR stuff and they don't have the staff to really work on more then one game at once. I think this is one of the reasons that they have moved offices. Plus with a new console generation coming up they might be waiting on all that to sort itself out. As to the first point....if DA 4 is 'no better' then DAI it will be well worth it considering DA I is my favorite game of all time. But at the end of the day, imo, production values and technology is getting better industry wide. Quests and side quests are getting better all the time, people are treating side quests as being integral to the experience rather then just something players should do. Combat has been better one release after another, more or less, more responsive, faster. RPG tropes and conventions are getting more and more...convinient?...all the time in terms of things like going classless and several other QoL improvements...now all we need is to dump these convuluted inventories and we'd be set. Even BioWare with MEA made several improvements over DAI (despite it being over all an inferior game) which indicates they could be trending in the right direction if they decide to stick to their guns and not listen to the 'haters'. Dialogue systems, side quests, inventories, even companions to a certain extent (though I did prefer the cast in DAI). So I'm not that worried that DA 4 will be any worse then Inquisition when you get down to it...it could be...I think I have stated a couple of times where I believe the problem spots could arise but BioWare should be in good shape.
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Post by vertigomez on Sept 5, 2019 21:07:08 GMT
The original project being cut and having to start all over again sure sounds like being dropped to me. It's just a.... delayed drop that's only recently getting picked up again, maybe. Still ~super secret~ tho. It’s not a drop and picked up because based on Kotaku’s reveals, the story and plot was completely unrelated to Solas. Instead, with the teaser they shown, we can safely say the Dread Wolf will have a major role in the game. Also, Laidlaw left around that time and there’s no sources he worked on the new project, while in the blog after the Game Awards, with the announcement of Goldman as Lead Director, it seemed like he worked on it for a bit, and with the timeframe of the original project being cut in 2017 and the Awards being in december 2018, it difficult they’d have just straight out stop to work. Bro, that's worse. 😭 I don't want a Solas-heavy plot anymore than I would've wanted all of Origins to be about Loghain or all of DA2 to be about the Arishok. But with "the Dread Wolf rises" popping up as a sort of working title or shorthand, I'm not optimisitc. Now I wanna know what they left on the cutting room floor.....
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Post by vertigomez on Sept 5, 2019 21:14:14 GMT
To the first point....if DA 4 is 'no better' then DAI it will be well worth it considering DA I is my favorite game of all time. But at the end of the day, imo, production values and technology is getting better industry wide. Quests and side quests are getting better all the time, people are treating side quests as being integral to the experience rather then just something players should do. Combat has been better one release after another, more or less, more responsive, faster. RPG tropes and conventions are getting more and more...convinient?...all the time in terms of things like going classless and several other QoL improvements...now all we need is to dump these convuluted inventories and we'd be set. Even BioWare with MEA made several improvements over DAI (despite it being over all an inferior game) which indicates they could be trending in the right direction if they decide to stick to their guns and not listen to the 'haters'. Dialogue systems, side quests, inventories, even companions to a certain extent (though I did prefer the cast in DAI). So I'm not that worried that DA 4 will be any worse then Inquisition when you get down to it...it could be...I think I have stated a couple of times where I believe the problem spots could arise but BioWare should be in good shape. Oh, I loved DAI too. What I meant in terms of polish was more about whether they're able to integrate multiple races, backstories, etc. better than they were able to in DAI, whether the animation improves, possibly having cutscenes for conversations instead of the zoomed out animationless route. Less empty space, more meaningful quests. Complaints that people generally have with Inquisition. I just worry that they'll ultimately have more or less the same amount of time to iron out these kinks that they did with DAI, and the wait will feel like it hasn't been worth it. Tbh tho I'm just bitching. Ignore me, everyone.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 5, 2019 21:15:02 GMT
It’s not a drop and picked up because based on Kotaku’s reveals, the story and plot was completely unrelated to Solas. Instead, with the teaser they shown, we can safely say the Dread Wolf will have a major role in the game. Also, Laidlaw left around that time and there’s no sources he worked on the new project, while in the blog after the Game Awards, with the announcement of Goldman as Lead Director, it seemed like he worked on it for a bit, and with the timeframe of the original project being cut in 2017 and the Awards being in december 2018, it difficult they’d have just straight out stop to work. Bro, that's worse. 😭 I don't want a Solas-heavy plot anymore than I would've wanted all of Origins to be about Loghain or all of DA2 to be about the Arishok. But with "the Dread Wolf rises" popping up as a sort of working title or shorthand, I'm not optimisitc. Now I wanna know what they left on the cutting room floor..... A. why not? B. Even if the game is 'about' the Dread Wolf or he is the principle final antagonist we actually don't know how much he will be in the game because there are at least two other pretty big factions we will likely have to worry about too. I mean hell how much of DAI was 'about' Corypheus?
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Post by vertigomez on Sept 5, 2019 21:18:35 GMT
Bro, that's worse. 😭 I don't want a Solas-heavy plot anymore than I would've wanted all of Origins to be about Loghain or all of DA2 to be about the Arishok. But with "the Dread Wolf rises" popping up as a sort of working title or shorthand, I'm not optimisitc. Now I wanna know what they left on the cutting room floor..... A. why not? B. Even if the game is 'about' the Dread Wolf or he is the principle final antagonist we actually don't know how much he will be in the game because there are at least two other pretty big factions we will likely have to worry about too. I mean hell how much of DAI was 'about' Corypheus? A. I just don't think he's as interesting as Tevinter is, or the Qunari invasion. It's cool if he's back there stirring the pot and orchestrating some of the madness, I just don't want the game to be All Solas All The Time B. DAI might not've been so much about Corypheus, but it also wasn't titled Dragon Age: Corypheus Rises
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Post by The Elder King on Sept 5, 2019 21:21:51 GMT
It’s not a drop and picked up because based on Kotaku’s reveals, the story and plot was completely unrelated to Solas. Instead, with the teaser they shown, we can safely say the Dread Wolf will have a major role in the game. Also, Laidlaw left around that time and there’s no sources he worked on the new project, while in the blog after the Game Awards, with the announcement of Goldman as Lead Director, it seemed like he worked on it for a bit, and with the timeframe of the original project being cut in 2017 and the Awards being in december 2018, it difficult they’d have just straight out stop to work. Bro, that's worse. 😭 I don't want a Solas-heavy plot anymore than I would've wanted all of Origins to be about Loghain or all of DA2 to be about the Arishok. But with "the Dread Wolf rises" popping up as a sort of working title or shorthand, I'm not optimisitc. Now I wanna know what they left on the cutting room floor..... You can find the info on Kotaku’s report on Bioware’s situation, if you like. I don’t recall specific plots in it, though the approach of the game seemed very different from the games we hadz I personally disagree because I do want Solas and all the elven-related plots to be discovered fully, but I understand your position. As colfoley said though, there’ll be other factions involved. I do howewer believe that Solas’ role and presence will be bigger then Cory’s, though. DAI had him as the major antagonist but the story was never about him (although I feel they went in that direction because they originally planned a Hawke vs Cory situation, and the shift in MC lead to a smaller role overall with Cory). We didn’t t even actually know about him for months. Solas is in the front seat, as basically all we know about the game so far is about him. But I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
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Post by The Elder King on Sept 5, 2019 21:23:27 GMT
A. why not? B. Even if the game is 'about' the Dread Wolf or he is the principle final antagonist we actually don't know how much he will be in the game because there are at least two other pretty big factions we will likely have to worry about too. I mean hell how much of DAI was 'about' Corypheus? A. I just don't think he's as interesting as Tevinter is, or the Qunari invasion. It's cool if he's back there stirring the pot and orchestrating some of the madness, I just don't want the game to be All Solas All The Time B. DAI might not've been so much about Corypheus, but it also wasn't titled Dragon Age: Corypheus Rises I doubt everything will be about Solas, though I think his role won’t be simply about orchestrating in the shadow. I don’t think the game will be called that, but yeah, Solas is in a different spot then Corypheus.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Sept 5, 2019 21:25:26 GMT
Ooofff.... "pre-production"...? Still? That...hurts.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 5, 2019 21:31:05 GMT
A. why not? B. Even if the game is 'about' the Dread Wolf or he is the principle final antagonist we actually don't know how much he will be in the game because there are at least two other pretty big factions we will likely have to worry about too. I mean hell how much of DAI was 'about' Corypheus? A. I just don't think he's as interesting as Tevinter is, or the Qunari invasion. It's cool if he's back there stirring the pot and orchestrating some of the madness, I just don't want the game to be All Solas All The Time B. DAI might not've been so much about Corypheus, but it also wasn't titled Dragon Age: Corypheus Rises I do think that is the likely outcome of how they'll approach the game. Of course we should get more Solas in 4 then we did Cory in Inquisition but I imagine that...one way or another...Solas will be dealt with last and hopefully the meat of the story will be the more down to earth (hopefully character focused) threats of the Qunari and the Tevinter political situation. Hopefully they'll have a microcasm macrocasm thing going on where the two or three different plot lines will complement each other and then we'll have side quests fleshing them out. Well technically the Dread Wolf Rises is just marketing at this point. Though I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they go with 'Dragon Age: Rising' at this point.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 5, 2019 21:34:38 GMT
A. I just don't think he's as interesting as Tevinter is, or the Qunari invasion. It's cool if he's back there stirring the pot and orchestrating some of the madness, I just don't want the game to be All Solas All The Time B. DAI might not've been so much about Corypheus, but it also wasn't titled Dragon Age: Corypheus Rises I doubt everything will be about Solas, though I think his role won’t be simply about orchestrating in the shadow. I don’t think the game will be called that, but yeah, Solas is in a different spot then Corypheus. that is kind of Solas's Schtick? I mean all we have is limited first hand information from Inquisition but he did 'orchestrate' (badly) the situation with Corypheus's orb experiment. And then you also have to consider the story of the slow arrow...and several other of Fen'Harel's fables into account. Plus the more chaos there is in Tevinter...war, political unrest...the more time and space he has to manuever and be all 'muhahaha'. He might not like it, he might not want people to suffer, but I don't think he'll be above poking and prodding things in one direction to keep the focus off of him...or just using events as a cover so he can operate freely.
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Post by The Elder King on Sept 5, 2019 21:38:07 GMT
I doubt everything will be about Solas, though I think his role won’t be simply about orchestrating in the shadow. I don’t think the game will be called that, but yeah, Solas is in a different spot then Corypheus. that is kind of Solas's Schtick? I mean all we have is limited first hand information from Inquisition but he did 'orchestrate' (badly) the situation with Corypheus's orb experiment. And then you also have to consider the story of the slow arrow...and several other of Fen'Harel's fables into account. Plus the more chaos there is in Tevinter...war, political unrest...the more time and space he has to manuever and be all 'muhahaha'. He might not like it, he might not want people to suffer, but I don't think he'll be above poking and prodding things in one direction to keep the focus off of him...or just using events as a cover so he can operate freely. I didn’t mean he wouldn’t orchestrate from the shadows, but that his role won’t be limited to that. I think this game might end the plot about him, so a showdown might happen.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 5, 2019 21:40:57 GMT
that is kind of Solas's Schtick? I mean all we have is limited first hand information from Inquisition but he did 'orchestrate' (badly) the situation with Corypheus's orb experiment. And then you also have to consider the story of the slow arrow...and several other of Fen'Harel's fables into account. Plus the more chaos there is in Tevinter...war, political unrest...the more time and space he has to manuever and be all 'muhahaha'. He might not like it, he might not want people to suffer, but I don't think he'll be above poking and prodding things in one direction to keep the focus off of him...or just using events as a cover so he can operate freely. I didn’t mean he wouldn’t orchestrate from the shadows, but that his role won’t be limited to that. I think this game might end the plot about him, so a showdown might happen. I hope we at least see him in the prologue/ opening area.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 5, 2019 21:51:26 GMT
It better be. It will be. If the Inquisitor isn’t the PC, it won’t be.
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Post by Rascoth on Sept 5, 2019 21:52:36 GMT
Ooofff.... "pre-production"...? Still? That...hurts. Need refill? I've got your back.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 5, 2019 21:54:21 GMT
Here's a thought:
A long vigorous pre production might be a good sign at this point since bios never had production problems... but pre production ones.
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Post by The Elder King on Sept 5, 2019 21:57:49 GMT
It will be. If the Inquisitor isn’t the PC, it won’t be. This isn’t affected by the development time, though. Although having this game out soon, even if with a PC that you’d dislike, would mean that they could work on a game more suited to your tastes. Given your opinion on this issue, I can see why the delay in news might be difficult for you. For me what I’m most interested right now, is how the combat system will work. Luke Barrett’s posts made me quite intrigued and eager to see what they’re working on.
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 5, 2019 21:59:02 GMT
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 5, 2019 22:00:46 GMT
If the Inquisitor isn’t the PC, it won’t be. This isn’t affected by the development time, though. Although having this game out soon, even if with a PC that you’d dislike, would mean that they could work on a game more suited to your tastes. Given your opinion on this issue, I can see why the delay in news might be difficult for you. For me what I’m most interested right now, is how the combat system will work. Luke Barrett’s posts made me quite intrigued and eager to see what they’re working on. I know. I’m saying the wait would not have been worth it because I would have spent nearly a decade waiting for a game I’d suddenly have no interest in. Yeah if they could just reveal some basic things like the PC (they have to have at least that much ready) that would help since then I’d know whether to keep waiting or drop them.
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