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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jun 11, 2024 23:51:46 GMT
So isn't it about time the companions get their own threads?
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 11, 2024 23:52:32 GMT
I will be rather annoyed if they kill Solas and Varick in the opening. Though at this point I don't think either will die. Yeah based off the trail rit jus tlooks like Bianca Varric's bo wwas the onl ycasualty whic hmeans at tha tpoin the has no way to fight so my guess is h elikely returns t oKirkwall an dlet's ou rcharacter tak eove rthe assignmen ton how to deal with him with Harding's help.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Jun 11, 2024 23:53:18 GMT
So isn't it about time the companions get their own threads? Yes and also wondering, will we have a non-spoiler section?
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 11, 2024 23:55:24 GMT
TBF it sounded more like copium than a firmly held belief. Hmm no. People are clearly dying in Minrathus and Solas isn't really bothered by it. Oh he took some promise of precautions but demons were tearing apart Minrathous. Yeah but he's not seeing it for himself. He's not really thinking things through other than barreling through what he feels is the only option he has. Even after all this time he asks Varric if there's another way.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 11, 2024 23:55:52 GMT
fair enough but we've already had a lot of fairly dubious moral allies in both games and from a point of view...he has a point. True but this guy is walking red flag. Varric is tender about him but notice Harding is not. Yeah I thimnk Varric just wanted t ogiv eSolas one las tchanc eto either stand down or be put down. Given wha thappened a ttheend it looks like we have to put him down after that.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jun 11, 2024 23:58:16 GMT
You gotta love that Varric saw the statue falling towards himself and Solas before Solas did and just kinda smirked. XD Chaos gremlin.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 11, 2024 23:59:44 GMT
Cross post, but: I feel like Varric's statement in the demo of "Solas needs someone to sell him another option. To help him justify changing his mind." might be the mission/thesis statement of the game. The main focus being on "another option". Which Varric doesn't seem to have actually had at the time, but w/e. I've always hoped this game's plot would involve finding that "other option", if you chose. So, I'm very happy with this. It'll be easy to decide to kill the egg, but I'm hopeful we really will get the option to save him, too. At least, in the "he doesn't have to become the monster he thinks he does" sense. Of course, this will require him to *actually* tell us why he's doing the things he's doing the way he's doing them. Also, I didn't take Solas' "People die, its what they do." thing as cold. Its cynical. Despairing, maybe. Its in line with every other comment he's made about the current world. People die cus he broke the world, etc. Also, its likely referencing Mythal. Which reminds me, he absorbed her and I fully expect her to exert some possession or something at some point. So. That's gonna be interesting. Yeah I took it the same way but I am kind of biased so was curious to see if anyone had the same read on the situation. That's not the tone or look of a man who says 'lol people die machine gun magic go brrrtt' that's the look of someone who is trying to justify the very horrible thing he is about to do. And its going to be curious the plot trajectory of the game IF Solas escapes and IF he ends up being friend, enemy, or frenemy. Like he could very easily decide that 'welp that plan to tear down the Veil didn't work...but I will just try again...since it would've worked but then YOU had to get in the way'. Which again...he has a point. So the whole game could be one giant circle based on what we are seeing with them starting and ending in a mirror of the place with the same overall objectives essentially. Stop Solas from tearing down the Veil...and its also likely that the two Evanuris we just freed will ALSO have that objective, but for different reasons then Solas, so we'll still have to 'stop him' even if an alliance is temporary. TBF it sounded more like copium than a firmly held belief. Hmm no. People are clearly dying in Minrathus and Solas isn't really bothered by it. Oh he took some promise of precautions but demons were tearing apart Minrathous. I know this is perhaps cutting the point mighty thin but he actually isn't killing anybody. Demons are. And while his line sounds desperate I think given the rest of the demo its very obvious what he was trying to prevent. Somehow he was trying to not only tear down the Veil, but do it in such a way that would've either left the Evanuris still trapped, or killed them off entirely. Its more then likely that he would've succeeded based on what we saw but we just happened to come along and mess it up because the two Evanuris are likely to be far more powerful and actively malovolent then just a bunch of demons.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 12, 2024 0:00:15 GMT
Hmm no. People are clearly dying in Minrathus and Solas isn't really bothered by it. Oh he took some promise of precautions but demons were tearing apart Minrathous. Yeah but he's not seeing it for himself. He's not really thinking things through other than barreling through what he feels is the only option he has. Even after all this time he asks Varric if there's another way. Given what we know, when has Solas ever been right. He destroyed a civilization once and should not get a second shot at doing in another.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 12, 2024 0:01:01 GMT
Of course he is - but he also knows a lot more than we do. And he already sacrificed many people to save the world from Evanuris - destroyed the whole of Elvenhan, but saved the world so it could rebuild. For whatever reason he thinks he has to do it again. I realize he has his fans here. I am not one of them. I think he's nuts. He's a mass murderer and just as big a danger to the world as the other old gods. Instead of allying with him lets put him behind the veil with the other two! Given that what we already saw suggests that our protagonist will be put in a similar situation - if not similar dilemma - as Solas, I'd suggest waiting with writing off Solas as some mad villain after the game is released and played
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 12, 2024 0:03:34 GMT
Hmm no. People are clearly dying in Minrathus and Solas isn't really bothered by it. Oh he took some promise of precautions but demons were tearing apart Minrathous. I know this is perhaps cutting the point mighty thin but he actually isn't killing anybody. Demons are. And while his line sounds desperate I think given the rest of the demo its very obvious what he was trying to prevent. Somehow he was trying to not only tear down the Veil, but do it in such a way that would've either left the Evanuris still trapped, or killed them off entirely. Its more then likely that he would've succeeded based on what we saw but we just happened to come along and mess it up because the two Evanuris are likely to be far more powerful and actively malovolent then just a bunch of demons. ”Your honor, I didn’t kill that building full of people. The fire did that. I only set the building on fire. “
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 12, 2024 0:05:06 GMT
The pause won't be for dodging/parrying it'll be for power usage While it won't be reflected in the pause part of the gameplay, it seems in the Playstyle part of the CC they did plan something to accomodate for people not really keen on the dodging/parrying system.
My understanding is that the chosen class Warrior, Mage and Rogue with their unique abilities and specializations determines the combat playstyle. Investing points in the chosen class skill tree allows you ( I think) to tailor your abilities to your playstyle. The crux of the matter is that a Mage and Warrior automatically have a different Playstyle such as swinging a sword vs casting a spell.
This "playstyle" difference does nothing to mitigate combat speed, imo. Plus, I believe choosing a difficulty level such as "Story Mode" vs "Normal" only changes the number of combat engagements and intensity, not the combat mechanics.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 12, 2024 0:05:10 GMT
I realize he has his fans here. I am not one of them. I think he's nuts. He's a mass murderer and just as big a danger to the world as the other old gods. Instead of allying with him let’s put him behind the veil with the other two! Given that what we already saw suggests that our protagonist will be put in a similar situation - if not similar dilemma - as Solas, I'd suggest waiting with writing off Solas as some mad villain after the game is released and played His plan was literally kill the entire world to reset it to his old one. That’s Corypheus’s plot. Scratch that, Corypheus was more merciful.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 12, 2024 0:06:30 GMT
Alternatively though there is a possibility, again based on things we have seen/ other fan interpretations of what we have seen...that we might end up allying with one or both of the other Evanuris to stop Solas as well in the game.
Even better if this ends up being an RP choice. Like we get presented a fork in the road option towards the climax 'go ally with Solas, or Elgar'nan.'
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 12, 2024 0:07:16 GMT
I realize he has his fans here. I am not one of them. I think he's nuts. He's a mass murderer and just as big a danger to the world as the other old gods. Instead of allying with him lets put him behind the veil with the other two! Given that what we already saw suggests that our protagonist will be put in a similar situation - if not similar dilemma - as Solas, I'd suggest waiting with writing off Solas as some mad villain after the game is released and played Or there's another option.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 12, 2024 0:08:00 GMT
Yeah but he's not seeing it for himself. He's not really thinking things through other than barreling through what he feels is the only option he has. Even after all this time he asks Varric if there's another way. Given what we know, when has Solas ever been right. He destroyed a civilization once and should not get a second shot at doing in another. He didn't destroy a civilization on a whim - he destroyed a civilization while trying to prevent SOMETHING WORSE. While we still don't exactly know what that 'something worse' is, given that we already know a little bit about Evanuris and the Blight, it's not like we can't already see what it could be. It's a case of someone running out of options while facing the crappiest of dilemmas.
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 12, 2024 0:08:50 GMT
fair enough but we've already had a lot of fairly dubious moral allies in both games and from a point of view...he has a point. True but this guy is walking red flag. Varric is tender about him but notice Harding is not.
Varric and Baldy have a history, I think.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 12, 2024 0:09:55 GMT
I could keep going all night but adieu. It's time for Evil (tv show) and then sleep.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 12, 2024 0:11:30 GMT
Given what we know, when has Solas ever been right. He destroyed a civilization once and should not get a second shot at doing in another. He didn't destroy a civilization on a whim - he destroyed a civilization while trying to prevent SOMETHING WORSE. While we still don't exactly know what that 'something worse' is, given that we already know a little bit about Evanuris and the Blight, it's not like we can't already see what it could be. It's a case of someone running out of options while facing the crappiest of dilemmas. A lot of dead Elves remain unconvinced.
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Post by sloth on Jun 12, 2024 0:11:45 GMT
So isn't it about time the companions get their own threads? Yes and also wondering, will we have a non-spoiler section? that would be good I've been also wondering if there is a way to keep updated regarding news about release date and others things not mentioning the story/companions. For now I'm trying to know everything that is possible, since it has been 10 years without nothing, but soon I want to step away from spoilers. I'm planning to use those extensions that protect against spoilers, but that would block everything related to the words "Dragon Age"
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 12, 2024 0:13:21 GMT
Alternatively though there is a possibility, again based on things we have seen/ other fan interpretations of what we have seen...that we might end up allying with one or both of the other Evanuris to stop Solas as well in the game. Even better if this ends up being an RP choice. Like we get presented a fork in the road option towards the climax 'go ally with Solas, or Elgar'nan.' I remember speculating - and still somewhat clinging to hope that it'll happen - that in the end our Inquisitor could make an evil/wrong or good choice and we have to react accordingly or stop them.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jun 12, 2024 0:14:49 GMT
Elgar'nan, Dirthamen, and June are the Evanuris I most want to talk to. And the most likely imo to have been not actually been in on the "kill Mythal" plot, despite what Solas believes. Not that they'll necessarily turn out to be good people, of course. But they're the most interesting to me at the moment.
I feel like we have a solid bead on Ghilly, Falon'din, and Andruil.
Sylaise, we know too little about one way or the other. (Which, you know... probably means she's the secret evil mastermind of everything and the Maker and Andraste and Dumat, but yeah. lol) So she could be interesting, or could not.
This is all assuming that those people in the Fade rift aren't the Forgotten Ones, of course.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 12, 2024 0:14:54 GMT
He didn't destroy a civilization on a whim - he destroyed a civilization while trying to prevent SOMETHING WORSE. While we still don't exactly know what that 'something worse' is, given that we already know a little bit about Evanuris and the Blight, it's not like we can't already see what it could be. It's a case of someone running out of options while facing the crappiest of dilemmas. A lot of dead Elves remain unconvinced. And they're probably better dead than dead and, say, Blighted. Or the world being like that future we saw in Inquisition - destroyed, corrupted Thedas.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 12, 2024 0:15:51 GMT
A lot of dead Elves remain unconvinced. And they're probably better dead than dead and, say, Blighted. Or the world being like that future we saw in Inquisition - a destroyed, dead world. Plus they would've been either dead or enslaved by the Evanuris anyways. 'I die free' and all the rest.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jun 12, 2024 0:17:26 GMT
Given what we know, when has Solas ever been right. He destroyed a civilization once and should not get a second shot at doing in another. He didn't destroy a civilization on a whim - he destroyed a civilization while trying to prevent SOMETHING WORSE. While we still don't exactly know what that 'something worse' is, given that we already know a little bit about Evanuris and the Blight, it's not like we can't already see what it could be. It's a case of someone running out of options while facing the crappiest of dilemmas. This is why he gets so annoyed with Grey Wardens, I think. Cus how they approach solutions strikes a bit too close to home.
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 12, 2024 0:18:43 GMT
So isn't it about time the companions get their own threads? Yeah, that's a good idea. I've created companion threads for everyone except Harding (who already has one). I'll update their OPs as we go along. When we get closer to launch we can discuss spoiler/non-spoiler threads.
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