Former Elf Companions Joining Solas (or not) In DA4

If I recall, Fenris isn't safe from mind control, cause if you give him back to Danarius, doesn't he become enthralled or something? 

But beyond that, I don't think Fenris would drink that koolaid anyways. He sure as fuck wouldn't be interested in a world ruled by elven mages.

It's not the Lyrium tattos that allowed Danarius to make Fenris kill the Fog Warriors, but rather the conditions of his enslavement, unable to disobey orders.
It's also the Lyrium experiments that wipe his memory.

I doubt Vallaslin had any function outside "that's mine", Elves joined willingly to Fen'Harel.
He reached out to them and told the truth about the Evanuris and removed their Vallaslin, and they joined him in the rebellion, so if the Vallaslin had any magical properties the Evanuris could have prevented it's removal or turn the Elves against Fen'Harel before he amassed enough people.
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Even if Vallaslin had any magical properties there is no Vallaslin for Fen'Harel, at best Fenris may be bound to a control rod like Golems or to a Titan like the Sha-Brytol.

I'm pretty sure the reason for the lyrium in the tattoos is to make them function as they do, allowing Fenris to become immaterial at will, so it is like he is part in and part out of the Fade. In fact the mechanics are probably more based on how the Crossroads exist. So Danarius may have found ancient writings (or more likely drawings) that gave him the idea. The very fact that Fenris believes that Danarius would be content to get his skin back would suggest that it is for the physical properties they give to the wearer.

The meaning of Vallaslin is blood writing. So if there is any mind control aspect to them then it is linked to blood magic. I know lyrium is also blood but not that of the person actually having the markings placed on them.

The purpose of Vallaslin, even among the modern Dalish, is to show allegiance to a particular god. That hasn't really changed from ancient times except that then it probably also indicated to other gods "hands off" this one is mine. To Solas giving unquestioning devotion to a god and having them claim ownership over you, even if only from other gods, is the sign of a slave. Add into that they may also allow some sort of tracking device should the person decide to leave your service (just as the phylacteries containing a mage's blood allow the Templars to track them).

It is clear that Abelas is not a slave but he is devoted to Mythal. He wears vallaslin to indicate his allegiance but is free to walk away from the Temple once his duty to guard the Well has been rendered null and void. It is Solas who tells him his duty is over. Abelas is then free to find another name, another duty but it would still likely to be his choice to do this in the context of his devotion to Mythal.

So removing vallaslin from elven runaways is highly symbolic even if they have no other purpose but to show allegiance to the elven gods. It was probably the rule in ancient times that if you didn't have vallaslin, even before Fen'Harel's rebellion, that indicated that you were an outlaw, were not under the protection of one of the gods and likely free to be hunted down by Andruil or her followers.

I wonder if Solas modified the amulet he gives to a Spirit Cole, wouldn't be surprised if Fen'Harel pulls a sneaky and it actually allows him to control Spirit Cole.

Besides, Cole directly asks Solas to bind him, so there really would be no need for subterfuge. He could just have agreed to do it and we'd be non the wiser.

He only cares as long as you don't interrupt with his plans, he killed Elves too.

He's not wholly evil just a hypocrite, killing Elves to free Elves and then putting the Veil to save the Elves only to later kill anyone including Elves if they will try to stop him from removing the Veil in order to help the Elves. - giving me Reaper flashbacks.

I don't know if Cole will return, just theorising on possible willing or unwilling subjects that may join Fen'Harel.

The Dalish were right and Fen'Harel does rule the Beyond if he can even wipe the memory of spirits.



It is strange because the human Cole just has him dancing off into the sunset with Maryden, which seems to give closure to that persona, but the epilogue for the spirit Cole definitely left the way open to bring him back if the writers wanted to.

Personally I think Solas would just wipe his memory again so he didn't try interfering in his plans.