The Geth Don't Deserve Sympathy

Yeah they’d prefer you just let yourself be culled.

An incentive other than the complete and total annihilation of all advanced life in the galaxy, including them? Oh Genophage bad, so what? That has nothing to do with the immediate threat or the aid being requested.

The Reapers don't care about cures or restitutions of past wrongs, they are going to harvest the Krogan alongside the rest of the galaxy. Withholding needed support, enough so that the whole offensive war effort was put on hold, so that the galaxy could play doctor for a few weeks was criminally stupid. All the good the cure would have done them if Palavan fell during that time, and the Turian fleets were wiped out.

How many millions died because Wrex/Wreve refused to send help when it was asked? It's not like he, or his people, were physically incapable of providing support, not like the Turians, Quarians or Rachni were. Even if negotiation of the Genophage needed to be hashed out, the least he could had done was send in squads of shock troops as a sign of trust. Instead, sitting back on Tuchunka, refusing to lift a finger to help, makes him just as bad as the Salarian Dalatress.  

But that doesn't make any sense what so ever. Quarians were not made immortal when the Geth were created.  The idea the Geth do not understand death is a bad theory because the Quarians had entire rituals build around death that they would be well aware of.  The Geth rebelled specifically because they faced extinction. They comprehended the idea perfectly.

I don't know why BioWare bothered recording special dialogue, and creating completely alternate variations on scenes in the Flotila in ME 2 should Shepard bring Legion along; even going so far to show that proto-peace talks were beginning to happen; if they were just going to throw everything out the airlock and have both sides at odds in ME 3.

At the very least you would've have thought that diplomatic envoys would have been sent to Rannoch prior to the attack, especially if both Shepard and Legion were advocating for peace in the second game in front of the entire Admiralty board.

They don't need to understand organic behavior to understand their actions and consequences. They understand death. They understand what killing large numbers of people means. The understand self preservation.

Yet you yourself said that even the aliens were "human" in how they acted during that situation. Either Wrex and Krogan were being petty opportunists, willing to jeopardize the entire war effort in the name of restitutions, or they are somehow profoundly alien creatures that operate on logic wholly different from the rest of the galaxy. 

Wrex/Wreve had more than enough troops to help the galaxy, troops that had no logistical issues going to fight since the Turians were supplying the transport ships. He just decided to hold the rest of the galaxy hostage in order to get the cure. A shortsighted goal since there would be far more dead Krogan babies regardless of the state of the Genophage if the Reapers won the war.

They certainly bare about half of the responsibility for the war in ME3.

Regarding the geth parts, I'm not sure what your point is. You are just re-stating what I already said. Is it a hostile act for the quarians to study geth?




Well the geth are all the same base programs that the quarians created, plus possibly new programs the geth themselves have created (though there is no evidence for or against this). The geth don't have any individuals, just different, transient clusters of geth programs in various platforms that disperse or swap in and out as needed, sharing all their experiences in the collective. So I would explain the Heretics as being a break-off faction of the geth. Certainly I consider the Heretics far more hostile than the regular geth; at least the regular geth are at this point apparently willing to talk and make peace. That doesn't erase their responsibility for their actions during the Morning War and in the centuries afterward. I do feel they bare some responsibility for the Heretics for reasons I've explained before, but certainly I wouldn't say that the mainstream Geth bare the same guilt for Eden Prime or the Battle of the Citadel as the actual Heretics to. They were perhaps accessories to those acts via' their having foreknowledge but failing to act on it.




Is this supposed to make the geth look better or worse? The quarians have an equal claim to those world and the quarians aren't universally hostile to everyone around them. I'm not sure what your point is here. I don't dispute that in practical terms the geth have claimed the region, but I don't see how their claim has any real moral legitimacy. They COULD have gained such legitimacy if they'd diplomatic, but they choose to be hostile to detriment of everyone around them, including their creators whom they are supposedly attatched to and also claim not to hold any enmity toward (but will kill if they come near). Some of this is the geth being unreasonable and hostile and some of this probably bad writers, to be fair.



It's not my intent to paint things as black and white, but since quarians are individuals you cannot judge them as a collective whole very easily. Which quarians bare responsibility for the geth/quarian war? I would say the guilty quarians are those who built and proliferated the geth, who designed them, who failed to properly monitor them, and who made the ill-fated decision to shut down the geth when they became true AI. Mind you, that doesn't mean I think the shut-down order was irrational or immoral; it was a reasonable decision made in error based on reasonable but incorrect assumptions. In my view.

Now you raise an interesting point about the value of organic vs synthetic life. I wonder about that myself. After all, as long as we had the geth code written somewhere we could destroy all the geth and then resurrect them again, with memories and experiences intact, instantly. We could also duplicate geth programs over and over. With an organic though this is not possible. Conceivably we could save the genetic coding for quarian DNA and even records of their culture, but is resurrecting quarians in that case quite the same as what we do with the geth? You couldn't truly duplicate or recreate a dead quarian that way. Genetically they might be the same but the person is dead. Would the culture be the same if all the quarians were dead and then some years later you made a population artificially? That's also setting aside the issue of pain and suffering; I'm not aware of any cases of the geth experiencing anything like pain. They apparently have a will, but do they have emotions? It's not clear. A quarian can suffer emotionally and physically but can a geth? That's an important difference.

Apparently it is simple, since Tali built an immunity to Shepard after sleeping with him only a few times. I hated how they made her romance that way. It would have been so much better and fitting to the lore if it wasn't sexual, but "the power of boners is stronger" apparently. 

That's slightly different. But she was meant to be a LI from the start. I like her romance and almost exclusively choose her as Male shep. I do pick others sometimes.

Well, not really. 
And yeah, I know. I really like her and her romance too (I think she is 6th if I had to rank them). As I said, I just wish the romance was different.