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Post by Arkhne on Jan 16, 2019 13:06:47 GMT
I can't agree with my friend Inert here.Yes,ME2 doesn't follow the mian story line,but it does many other things.Trolls were a very interesting enemy,the game atmosphere was just great and the side quest made me feel all characters like my friends IRL.I almost started to cry when Mordin died or Anderson.ME trilogy's world is just amazing,very,very well created and written.I don't uderstand why BioWare went in that direction.I mean Andromeda.Milky Way has an unlimited potential.They could continue with many existing and interesting story lines or with a new one in an already well developed world.I finished ME1-11 times,ME2-14 and ME3-3 times and still enjoy them.ME1 and 2 are two of my all time favorite games. And that moment when all-grown-up Grunt pushes through his underlings. So proud of baby krogan, all grown up, and in charge of his own elite squad *sniffle* I... I think need a moment with Dr. Chakwas and some Brandy.
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Post by clips7 on Jan 16, 2019 13:59:06 GMT
I know I posted this already...but those posts regarding the Asari and Female Quarians and how their looks changed or wasn't seen at all in reference to Andromeda (Quarians)….I was just wondering do you think there would be an issue if the next ME game featured women like...Athena, Artemis or Nike (Ascendant vid) or Miranda or Ashley?
I'm just saying that the sex appeal as far as women goes dropped after Miranda and Ashley.....and do you think it's a factor of just art direction or a symptom of the developer not wanting to sexualize women? For me...i'm sorry, but I like looking at sexy ass women on the screen...yeah Miranda and Ashley wore tight outfits, but they also had personality and character and was pleasing on the eyes...and I find NOTHING wrong with that....
In Andromeda I gotta admit Cora looked like somebody's soccer mom and was the most appealing chick maybe outside of Suvi...OR do you think it's more of the graphics moving more towards realism and more honestly representing the human element?....lastly do you think it's more about SJW?....
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Post by BlackMage on Jan 16, 2019 16:41:54 GMT
The character modelling in Ascendant One is simply glorious!! The characters in ME:A (from what I can see online) looks like they were done by an intern, and not a particularly talented one at that. Miranda looked gorgeous because she was based on Yvonne Strohovski. That's a real person.
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Post by burningcherry on Jan 16, 2019 18:48:18 GMT
I was just wondering do you think there would be an issue if the next ME game featured women like... [...] Miranda or Ashley?I think so. Both the characters you mentioned are very prone to be misjudged because of their looks – you can see how many people believe that Ashley is "raycess" because her outfit and makeup in ME3 made her look shallow and they didn't bother to interpret what she says and does, or believe that Miranda is a reliable person because they liked her looks since the beginning and they don't see or don't want to see all the lies she's trying to sell to Shepard in both ME2 and ME3. This specific fandom is too immature and depriving them of characters they consider sexually attractive (don't forget that it's subjective) was a good idea in its basis, just overacted to the point of making things actually worse.
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Post by inert on Jan 16, 2019 18:56:28 GMT
I can't agree with my friend Inert here.Yes,ME2 doesn't follow the mian story line,but it does many other things.Trolls were a very interesting enemy,the game atmosphere was just great and the side quest made me feel all characters like my friends IRL.I almost started to cry when Mordin died or Anderson.ME trilogy's world is just amazing,very,very well created and written.I don't uderstand why BioWare went in that direction.I mean Andromeda.Milky Way has an unlimited potential.They could continue with many existing and interesting story lines or with a new one in an already well developed world.I finished ME1-11 times,ME2-14 and ME3-3 times and still enjoy them.ME1 and 2 are two of my all time favorite games. We don't seem to disagree much. I didn't say ME2 was bad, I pointed out that it's main plot was a diversion. The side stories that started in ME1 (Genophage, Rannoch) were handled pretty well throughout the entire trilogy. I just wished we had better main plot development in ME2 instead of a separate gig. It confirmed for me that the writers had no idea where the story was headed.
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Post by xelander on Jan 16, 2019 19:01:39 GMT
.....and do you think it's a factor of just art direction or a symptom of the developer not wanting to sexualize women?
I believe that it's the social mores of the First World (or at least the Anglo-Saxon one) bleeding through to an extent in the development process. Right now, it's considered demeaning if a woman makes herself sexy (or does anything, really) for man's pleasure. We have instead beauty in all sizes, haircuts or behaviours, and such a thing as the boner test cannot possibly exist.
The Bioware developers, being saturated in such culture, are probably either active proponents or passive endorsers of it, or most likely a mix of both. I wouldn't expect any big western studio to design sexy, feminine women in games in the next few years (unless it is done in over-the-top manner to blatantly pander to teenage demographic), until the pendulum starts swinging back. Why risk riling up the shrill, loud voices of catladies, talentless lazy hacks and nobodies?!
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Post by Garo on Jan 16, 2019 19:38:20 GMT
I was just wondering do you think there would be an issue if the next ME game featured women like... [...] Miranda or Ashley?I think so. Both the characters you mentioned are very prone to be misjudged because of their looks – you can see how many people believe that Ashley is "raycess" because her outfit and makeup in ME3 made her look shallow and they didn't bother to interpret what she says and does, or believe that Miranda is a reliable person because they liked her looks since the beginning and they don't see or don't want to see all the lies she's trying to sell to Shepard both in ME2 and ME3. This specific fandom is too immature and depriving them of characters they consider sexually attractive (don't forget that it's subjective) was a good idea in its basis, just overacted to the point of making things actually worse. Then again it is not like making anyone look worse will make gamers look deeper into these characters.
ps. widzę że fellow wrocławianin się znalazł xd
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Post by Abramsrunner on Jan 16, 2019 20:19:36 GMT
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Post by clips7 on Jan 17, 2019 14:50:07 GMT
I can't agree with my friend Inert here.Yes,ME2 doesn't follow the mian story line,but it does many other things.Trolls were a very interesting enemy,the game atmosphere was just great and the side quest made me feel all characters like my friends IRL.I almost started to cry when Mordin died or Anderson.ME trilogy's world is just amazing,very,very well created and written.I don't uderstand why BioWare went in that direction.I mean Andromeda.Milky Way has an unlimited potential.They could continue with many existing and interesting story lines or with a new one in an already well developed world.I finished ME1-11 times,ME2-14 and ME3-3 times and still enjoy them.ME1 and 2 are two of my all time favorite games. Co-signed 1000%......when you can go back and play those games multiple times and still get enjoyment out of them it's just a testament of how very well those games was structured and crafted. I ended up buying "The Citadel" and "Leviathan" DLC for ME3 and the Citadel was a very nice send off for the crew and the Leviathan added a bit more back story to the Reaper origins....amazing DLC to support an amazing trilogy...Ditto with Mordin and Anderson passings in ME3.....One of my other favs is Samarah….she strictly enforces her code, but was she was willing to kill herself instead of killing her last surviving daughter (The mother in her super-ceded the code in this scenario) .....this is the type of stuff that made the trilogy to so compelling..... ^^^this is what happens when you just want to create a great game and tell a interesting story with characters each dealing with their own dilemmas and issues....
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Post by Alfonsedode on Jan 17, 2019 17:03:45 GMT
Does BW had to face a massive SJW campain asking for less sexualized feamle characters after ME2 and 3 ? (btw, that mirandass outfit in the clip shared by clips7 is fanmade? i hadnt seen it yet) Cause i can see it s an issue that can drag attention on twitter or whatever, but in the end, it s selling copies ... isnt it ?
Now that i thought about it, it must even have been a calculated move to sell more in places where it was badly received ...
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Post by Sectiplave on Jan 18, 2019 7:49:56 GMT
Does BW had to face a massive SJW campain asking for less sexualized feamle characters after ME2 and 3 ? (btw, that mirandass outfit in the clip shared by clips7 is fanmade? i hadnt seen it yet) Cause i can see it s an issue that can drag attention on twitter or whatever, but in the end, it s selling copies ... isnt it ?
Now that i thought about it, it must even have been a calculated move to sell more in places where it was badly received ...
After many lengthy discussions with long time ME and sci-fan fans, I think it's best to save yourself from trying to figure out what biowEAr was thinking when they signed off on the milestones of ME:A's design and production. Thinking about it will inevitably result is confusion and resignation that regardless ME:A was going to have a hard time living up to the ME trilogy, it's already unfair to be compared to a trilogy of games. But for the end result to land so far below even the most modest of expectations still makes my head spin. If they revisit ME it needs to be 100% or nothing, and that's a big risk to take.
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 20, 2019 7:49:09 GMT
Does BW had to face a massive SJW campain asking for less sexualized feamle characters after ME2 and 3 ? (btw, that mirandass outfit in the clip shared by clips7 is fanmade? i hadnt seen it yet) Cause i can see it s an issue that can drag attention on twitter or whatever, but in the end, it s selling copies ... isnt it ?
Now that i thought about it, it must even have been a calculated move to sell more in places where it was badly received ...
As far as I'm aware, no. If anything, they got flak for not making the default FemShep in ME3 pretty enough. Compared to the concept art, she looks pretty bad. There was some talk of Shepard's breasts getting larger throughout the trilogy and Ashley's ME3 combat miniskirt and long hair being an attempt to make her sexier, but I don't think anyone said "make the characters ugly from now on." I did complain about the stupid "sexy run" and robot cameltoe as I always do.
If anything, I think Cora, Sara, and PeeBee's faces were supposed to be pretty, but for whatever reason they didn't translate well. Cora's "armor" is skin tight, and PeeBee has a bare midriff, neither of which would happen if "pandering to SJWs" were the goal. If they were going for less sexualization they'd make all the females wear sensible armor like Avelline's.
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Post by RoystonVasey63 on Jan 20, 2019 22:02:09 GMT
Well, admittedly I'm expert on neither EA's machinations nor Andromeda's evolution; but what I can say with a degree of certainty is that too many libtards spoil the broth. My point is, fuck the so-called 'PC-brigade' and those who bend over backwards to appease them.
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 20, 2019 23:26:02 GMT
Well, admittedly I'm expert on neither EA's machinations nor Andromeda's evolution; but what I can say with a degree of certainty is that too many libtards spoil the broth. My point is, fuck the so-called 'PC-brigade' and those who bend over backwards to appease them. Um. I'm a liberal. Can you remind me what I've spoiled for you recently? I've forgotten.
No, but seriously, can we keep political insults to a minimum? You're a good teammate and I like playing games with you; why mess with a good thing?
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Post by RoystonVasey63 on Jan 21, 2019 0:15:02 GMT
Well, admittedly I'm expert on neither EA's machinations nor Andromeda's evolution; but what I can say with a degree of certainty is that too many libtards spoil the broth. My point is, fuck the so-called 'PC-brigade' and those who bend over backwards to appease them. Um. I'm a liberal. Can you remind me what I've spoiled for you recently? I've forgotten.
No, but seriously, can we keep political insults to a minimum? You're a good teammate and I like playing games with you; why mess with a good thing? A liberal is hardly the same thing as a libtard, Shinobu. We can, I hope, disagree (if disagree we do) without falling out. In fairness, it's hard to keep quiet because there's an element of rubber-stamping an ideology via saying nothing.
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Post by MPApr2012 on Jan 21, 2019 1:52:46 GMT
good grief, bud..... not often one comes across a straw man specimen this spectacular. and in our neck of the woods too. even with the thread that has that potential, you know, one like this sure not expected. oh and there's no need to neither defend, nor rubber stamp, an ideology in this thread or like Shinobu said there's sure no need to bring one's political views into this. have a look at the op sure aint reads like that.
well, unless there's been some change of direction along the ways, and them some censoring happened, and i've missed on all the fun i suppose
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Post by RoystonVasey63 on Jan 21, 2019 2:59:34 GMT
LOL: I wouldn't say 'straw man', MPApr2012, because the point regarding the underlying reasoning behind EA/Bioware's decision to make [particularly the female] characters less physically attractive in ME:A was broached some while ago. Also, why does the thread not still have potential? Does speaking common sense and/or one's mind in these matters automatically discount courteous discourse? -- I hope not.
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 21, 2019 3:06:07 GMT
Um. I'm a liberal. Can you remind me what I've spoiled for you recently? I've forgotten.
No, but seriously, can we keep political insults to a minimum? You're a good teammate and I like playing games with you; why mess with a good thing? A liberal is hardly the same thing as a libtard, Shinobu. We can, I hope, disagree (if disagree we do) without falling out. In fairness, it's hard to keep quiet because there's an element of rubber-stamping an ideology via saying nothing.
Oh, yes, I concur we should be able to disagree about whatever without getting too bent out of shape about it. The problem I have is that there is no set definition of "libtard" so I can never be sure if I am being referred to or not. In any case, even if it doesn't refer to me I can't really condone its use any more than I would condone the use of other insults. It's probably easier to call out specific people and their actions rather than groups of faceless opponents. That way there's less potential for misunderstanding.
Also, I'm not sure which ideology you refer to being rubber-stamped and by whom. Could you be more specific? I agree that if there is something you don't like in a game it's good to speak up about it (breather masks in vacuum come to mind), it's just the idea of " those people are ruining my game because politics" that I wish to gently point out as being unproductive. Of course, you're free to do as you like.
Sorry to derail the thread.
In general I think the ability of Frostbite to create more realistic looking faces became something of a detriment because it requires more attention to detail in animation and can really put the character smack dab in the uncanny valley. Scott's facial animations during the romance scene with Cora are really good with little touches such as the flaring of nostrils, etc. That same amount of detail is noticeably absent for other characters because it would have taken too much time and money. The dead doll eyes at launch were pretty weird looking.
And while we're complaining about the evolution of character models, can I say how disappointed I was with the Turians in Andromeda? They looked like half baked clay with mime paint slapped on, and they were also made from a reused head model. To top it off, the Turians always stand with their legs bent now. It's hard to look at that and think they can run any faster than a poodle on its hind legs. I chalk it up to bad design rather than some group lobbying for less attractive aliens. And anyway, no matter how ugly they are, I'll still bang a Turian. Team Dextro, baby!
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Post by MPApr2012 on Jan 21, 2019 3:37:34 GMT
And while we're complaining about the evolution of character models, can I say how disappointed I was with the Turians in Andromeda? They looked like half baked clay with mime paint slapped on, and they were also made from a reused head model. To top it off, the Turians always stand with their legs bent now. It's hard to look at that and think they can run any faster than a poodle on its hind legs. I chalk it up to bad design rather than some group lobbying for less attractive aliens. And anyway, no matter how ugly they are, I'll still bang a Turian. Team Dextro, baby! ...oh that reminded of this post, had to go searching for it again bsn.boards.net/post/578833some well put analysis, well worth a read if you haven't
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 21, 2019 4:15:33 GMT
And while we're complaining about the evolution of character models, can I say how disappointed I was with the Turians in Andromeda? They looked like half baked clay with mime paint slapped on, and they were also made from a reused head model. To top it off, the Turians always stand with their legs bent now. It's hard to look at that and think they can run any faster than a poodle on its hind legs. I chalk it up to bad design rather than some group lobbying for less attractive aliens. And anyway, no matter how ugly they are, I'll still bang a Turian. Team Dextro, baby! ...oh that reminded of this post, had to go searching for it again bsn.boards.net/post/578833some well put analysis, well worth a read if you haven't Wow, that was great, just about everything I wanted to express but didn't know how. Thanks for the link!
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Post by Alfonsedode on Jan 21, 2019 9:37:49 GMT
Oh, yes, I concur we should be able to disagree about whatever without getting too bent out of shape about it. The problem I have is that there is no set definition of "libtard" so I can never be sure if I am being referred to or not. In any case, even if it doesn't refer to me I can't really condone its use any more than I would condone the use of other insults. It's probably easier to call out specific people and their actions rather than groups of faceless opponents. That way there's less potential for misunderstanding. Im pretty sure u werent include in that category Shinobu , and while i had to use 4 dictionary searches in 2 different places to get what Royston was talking about, Litbard is a rather cool word ! : ------------------------- libtard noun /libˈtärd/ 1. an individual, whose thinking process has been rendered impaired by political correctness and the failure to understand that people are responsible for their actions and the world does not owe lazy or stupid people a living. "That libtard voted for someone with no qualifications to be president and now everyone is losing his old health care coverage." --------------------------------------------------- Anyway, i m pretty convinced it s just budget and rush that made the result as is, not "design" I d like to read that visual analysis, but no, to long for my sake
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Post by XCPTNL on Jan 21, 2019 17:27:13 GMT
So many new posts after mine. Why are you people still discussing this topic? I answered the question with "NO" and that should have been the end of it, no other opionions allowed in this particular case
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Post by SalMasRac on Jan 24, 2019 11:59:51 GMT
I've never touched the SP. Never even created a character yet.
I still play the MP sometimes, I enjoy a handful of the kits, but mostly I play because the gawdawful rng item shop still hasn't given me the damn Stronghold Package yet and I'm getting seriously OCD about it.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Jan 24, 2019 12:24:25 GMT
I've never touched the SP. Never even created a character yet. I still play the MP sometimes, I enjoy a handful of the kits, but mostly I play because the gawdawful rng item shop still hasn't given me the damn Stronghold Package yet and I'm getting seriously OCD about it. lol, that makes them right to lower even more the loot retribution . Create tons of equipment with the lowest prob to be obtained and there still will be lot of player to absolutely want few of those
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