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Post by max on Feb 25, 2019 20:48:22 GMT
I feel Anthem is getting an unfair rap. I started playing on Friday evening and have now played for about 16 hours.
For anyone who likes ME3MP (I have put thousands of hours into) you will like Anthem. Visually gorgeous game, excellent combat which includes many elements of ME3MP, and some of the better elements of Destiny.
I feel many people like to jump on the hate bandwagon because they see others hating also. With MEA being so underwhelming, I can understand a level of frustration with Bioware, but you may be depriving yourself of a good game in doing so.
I would also point out I have not completed all the content yet, so I'm not sure why people say there isn't enough content in the game.
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Post by MrsFlyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyingKebab on Feb 26, 2019 14:07:21 GMT
I also have thousands of hours in both ME3 and Destiny (1 and 2) (on PS4), and I also play a bit of Warframe... and I got bored in the demo... (I played both weekends.)
Currently it has the equivalent of three Destiny strikes as end game content, plus freeplay (with contract = expanded patrols, right?). I found freeplay quite lonely, and the map just empty of life. I don't expect much story, in this genre, it's just some back story to the end game. I felt the tug of going out to find better loot, but it wasn't quite enough, the grind didn't justify the reward.
The gunplay/powers are better than MEA (I hated the jetpacks) but for some reason it still lacks OOMPH. I don't feel powerful, it's all fancy fireworks and no IMPACT. I just don't feel it, in the explosions (a la biotic boom) or melee (that connecting SMACK of a fist in destiny), or the shooting (poor feedback, no pop of a headshot etc. MEA had similar issues for me.
The loading screens seriously break the immersion, and it's a pain in the arse to go back to base just to see your loot.
Yes it's very pretty, and flight is great, and I love the idea of exploring this 3D landscape, but at the moment it's a no from me. Which is a shame. I am not hating because EA/LOOtbox stuff/blahblah, I don't give a shit who makes a game as long as it's good, and believe me, I AM disappointed. I really wanted an alternative to Destiny.
There are a lot of elements in Destiny and ME3MP that are far better imo.
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Post by SalMasRac on Feb 28, 2019 7:27:03 GMT
I feel Anthem is getting an unfair rap. I started playing on Friday evening and have now played for about 16 hours. For anyone who likes ME3MP (I have put thousands of hours into) you will like Anthem. Visually gorgeous game, excellent combat which includes many elements of ME3MP, and some of the better elements of Destiny. I feel many people like to jump on the hate bandwagon because they see others hating also. With MEA being so underwhelming, I can understand a level of frustration with Bioware, but you may be depriving yourself of a good game in doing so. I would also point out I have not completed all the content yet, so I'm not sure why people say there isn't enough content in the game. Play for more than 16 hours and then you may have a better idea of endgame. Many of us here on the forums are in their 30's, 40's, and even 50's+. We've been around the block plenty of times to recognize common trends and gameplay niches when we see them. And Anthem itself is nothing ground-breaking, this kind of game has been around for quite a while now. Those of us who have played similar games can draw on those experiences to make assertions of what to expect from this game.
While I will agree that SOME of the people who like ME3MP will like Anthem, it would be a stretch of the truth to say that ALL of them will like it. By saying so, you are projecting your own enjoyment of the game onto others. We each have our own perspectives which, believe it or not, may actually differ from your own.
There is a difference between not liking something, and jumping on a hatewagon. We are allowed to not like Anthem. You're treading on 1st Amendment suppression by saying such things. Such is reminiscent of EA/Bioware closing their official forums *cough cough* or disallowing user reviews on popular review sites *shoutout Rotten Tomatoes*
It doesn't make us "toxic". It makes us have opinions of our own which are not dictated to us. In fact I could turn it around and call YOU a shill. Now we're degenerating to kindergarten-level namecalling. Is it even worth it?
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Post by kpeter on Mar 2, 2019 20:39:19 GMT
Just watching a few videos was enough to know Anthem is not for me. But its nothing to do with me hating on anything, i just know what kind of games i like.
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Post by XCPTNL on Mar 2, 2019 23:23:20 GMT
I'm still playing and enjoying the game despite all its flaw. So that's that. Experimenting a lot with different setups on my Interceptor, also depending on what stuff drops for me and how good it is or what I ended up crafting. Probably not going back to play ME3MP any time soon...
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Post by Alfonsedode on Mar 3, 2019 8:45:55 GMT
I'm still playing and enjoying the game despite all its flaw. So that's that. Experimenting a lot with different setups on my Interceptor, also depending on what stuff drops for me and how good it is or what I ended up crafting. Probably not going back to play ME3MP any time soon... So, Do you think you needed time to overcome your concerns and get used to the game, or mostly time to get (patches?) better stuff and build options ? |
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Post by XCPTNL on Mar 3, 2019 13:52:43 GMT
Well, I still have my concerns and I think a lot of thing could have been done better and maybe they will get better. What Bioware nailed though in my opinion is the environment, the flight mechanics and the overall core gameplay, having fun with friends fucking shit up. I have to say I only really enjoy the Interceptor. I also played my fair share of the Ranger and the Storm but I just love the Interceptor so much and it is one of the reasons I keep playing. Yes, a lot of things could be better. But yes, I'm still having fun and am looking forward to hopefully getting more nice drops to further develop several builds/loadouts. I just hope enough people keep playing so that Bioware continues to provide constant updates and patches as well as work on additional content.
I see some similarities to MEA and some of the same issues as well on the technical side. But overall I'm enjoying this game a lot more than I ever did MEAMP. It's sad that this could have been so much more. A development in open beta with the feedback of the players for an extended period of time would have definitely helped making this a good game at launch instead of the rather bad rep it's gotten now which it deserves if you look at the whole picture. But like I said: I'm having a lot of fun despite that and hope for more content in the future.
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Post by kpeter on Mar 3, 2019 16:20:02 GMT
What i really miss, is good gunplay in Anthem. Same thing i had with Andromeda, but in Anthem its actually worse. What i liked in Me3 that it had a nice balance between guns and powers. You could go all the way with either a power build or a gun build, or something in between. This liberty what i miss from Anthem, it seems its only powers all the way, and the guns are there just to spam while your powers are reloading. I want something similar like marksman, adrenaline rush, devastator mode, tactical cloak and big guns like a claymore, crusader,graal or a javelin / black widow.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 3, 2019 16:42:41 GMT
What i really miss, is good gunplay in Anthem. Same thing i had with Andromeda, but in Anthem its actually worse. What i liked in Me3 that it had a nice balance between guns and powers. You could go all the way with either a power build or a gun build, or something in between. This liberty what i miss from Anthem, it seems its only powers all the way, and the guns are there just to spam while your powers are reloading. I want something similar like marksman, adrenaline rush, devastator mode, tactical cloak and big guns like a claymore, crusader,graal or a javelin / black widow. My understanding from what I read is that basically flips at a certain gear point. Where your combos do far less than your guns. Which is just the same problem but in reverse. |
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Post by kpeter on Mar 3, 2019 17:33:03 GMT
My understanding from what I read is that basically flips at a certain gear point. Where your combos do far less than your guns. Which is just the same problem but in reverse. Dunno, but every single reddit thread i read, every single youtube video i watch, confirms what i wrote. Theres no problem with that, its just that im not the target audience.
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Post by XCPTNL on Mar 3, 2019 18:24:32 GMT
My understanding from what I read is that basically flips at a certain gear point. Where your combos do far less than your guns. Which is just the same problem but in reverse. Dunno, but every single reddit thread i read, every single youtube video i watch, confirms what i wrote. Theres no problem with that, its just that im not the target audience. It highly depends on the gear you get from loot drops or crafting. I had several flips while playing this game. At some point I wasn't doing enough damage with melee and powers but had a good weapon with +220% damage and that helped me a lot. I was basically shooting most of the time. Then I got stronger gear and was able to use more powers and melee again. It flips depending on what you have and what you use. I have some weapons with +200-225% damage and sometimes even more on top of that. Recently I went from totally in your face all the time to a more sniperish build (although still using the spark dash aka biotic charge) because I have an awesome automatic sniper rifle that does a lot of damage and is ultrafun to use. Then again I also have skills like the spark dash or tempest strike with additional 170-200% damage so they hit really hard for 10k, 20k or in case of my searching glaive with +200% damage for around 33k damage. This game is a loot shooter which means grinding for better stuff doing the same things over and over again (bringing variety to it by switching loadouts and playstyles). And depending on what you have and how you can make a nice playstyle out of it you can either hit very hard with powers or with weapons.
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Post by GruntKitterhand on Mar 3, 2019 19:30:52 GMT
For anyone who likes ME3MP (I have put thousands of hours into) you will like Anthem. I don't begrudge you or anyone else the fun you can get out of a game, but based on the few hours of gameplay I've watched I can say with a degree of certainty that I'll never play Anthem as it doesn't appeal to me on any level. I've around 4000 hours of ME3 MP under my belt (and counting), and 120 hours of MEA MP. The disparity between those two figures should give you some clue as to why I might be wary of Anthem. The Frostbite engine is a factor, but not as big a factor as shuddering at the patronising voice of SAM that I detected as the mission-giver. I've also played zero hours of Destiny, despite getting its second iteration free on PSN. I'm by no means looking for realism in games, but jetpacks can (in the immortal words of Donnie Darko's big sister) go suck a fuck. And of course there's the small matter of 'No Claymoar, No Bang.' 
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Post by kpeter on Mar 3, 2019 20:12:51 GMT
For anyone who likes ME3MP (I have put thousands of hours into) you will like Anthem. I don't begrudge you or anyone else the fun you can get out of a game, but based on the few hours of gameplay I've watched I can say with a degree of certainty that I'll never play Anthem as it doesn't appeal to me on any level. I've around 4000 hours of ME3 MP under my belt (and counting), and 120 hours of MEA MP. The disparity between those two figures should give you some clue as to why I might be wary of Anthem. The Frostbite engine is a factor, but not as big a factor as shuddering at the patronising voice of SAM that I detected as the mission-giver. I've also played zero hours of Destiny, despite getting its second iteration free on PSN. I'm by no means looking for realism in games, but jetpacks can (in the immortal words of Donnie Darko's big sister) go suck a fuck. And of course there's the small matter of 'No Claymoar, No Bang.' I actually have more hours in Andromeda, but i agree. Especially with the claymore part. Even after all the patches there is not one single shotgun i like in the game. Same for assault rifles and pistols. Maybe i enjoy one AR, the Soned, and one pistol the Hurricane, but thats it. The only part which is more or less alright, are the snipers. But even there, they couldn't recreate the satisfaction of using the javelin. So i got bored really quickly with Andromeda, because there was simply not enough variety in the gunplay and the powers were also nowhere near as fun to use.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Mar 3, 2019 20:38:29 GMT
i saw a bit of the tyrant mine gameplay on Grand master III (that looked like really really boring, but stress and challenge was there, so it s often enough), but the guys seemed to be doing combos and gunplay, ant relying on ammo even with 3 interceptors...
Anyway anthem was more a power game with flight suits and some pew pew on the side as far as i understood, might not be the case in the end.
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Post by muahmuah on Mar 3, 2019 20:39:24 GMT
For me Anthem is just medicore MMO-like game with many bugs and other issues.I don't see any reasons to give money for this game.I am pretty sure the game has many pros,but they are not enough to overcome the cons.There are similar games on the market which are better,like Warframe for example.Not to mention that it's free.That said i hope Anthem will sell many copies(physical and digital),because will be sad to see BioWare closed.
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Post by kpeter on Mar 3, 2019 21:04:47 GMT
For me Anthem is just medicore MMO-like game with many bugs and other issues.I don't see any reasons to give money for this game.I am pretty sure the game has many pros,but they are not enough to overcome the cons.There are similar games on the market which are better,like Warframe for example.Not to mention that it's free.That said i hope Anthem will sell many copies(physical and digital),because will be sad to see BioWare closed. Im sorry to be on the pessimistic side,but this might be end of BW no matter what. If Anthem is a success, they will be forced to create more shite like it. If it wont be a success, then EA might just disband Bioware... But in the end, I really don't think we are going to see many quality single player games from BW in the future .... If im right a Dragon Age game is under development, but what comes after??
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Post by muahmuah on Mar 3, 2019 21:39:32 GMT
For me Anthem is just medicore MMO-like game with many bugs and other issues.I don't see any reasons to give money for this game.I am pretty sure the game has many pros,but they are not enough to overcome the cons.There are similar games on the market which are better,like Warframe for example.Not to mention that it's free.That said i hope Anthem will sell many copies(physical and digital),because will be sad to see BioWare closed. Im sorry to be on the pessimistic side,but this might be end of BW no matter what. If Anthem is a success, they will be forced to create more shite like it. If it wont be a success, then EA might just disband Bioware... But in the end, I really don't think we are going to see many quality single player games from BW in the future .... If im right a Dragon Age game is under development, but what comes after?? BioWare always can back to SP games with interesting characters and deep story,but this hope is tiny.Probably not gonna happen.EA is just like every other big devs.They don't care for the gamers,they care only for the money.Yes,they announced a new DA game,but after MEA disapointment i don't expect to be a good one. |
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Post by andy_3_913 on Mar 4, 2019 6:31:33 GMT
^^^ They should team up with CD Projekt Red. Just a thought  |
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Post by clips7 on Mar 4, 2019 8:58:32 GMT
Does EA actually own Bioware tho?......didn't Bungie leave Activision not too long ago and are their own entity?...They still maintain their rights to Destiny from what i understand. This game looks like it was either do or die for Bioware and again for me, this game feels like a game Bioware was forced to make....i think Bioware can still make something magical if given the time and being with the right publisher....
I've had a bone to pick with EA ever since they KO'd visceral (Dead Space) and the comments of them saying SP games are dead....(a different mindset and culture is definitely at EA at the moment)...Bioware probably needs to break away from EA so they focus on content where they are strong at...namely single player character driven games....even tho i thought Andromeda stunk up tha joint royally, Bioware getting with a firm like Sony that have been known to let dev's create freely without any interference would do wonders for the developer and help them to reflect, recharge and to regain their skill at crafting great SP content again....
Not sure if they own the rights to Mass Effect or any of the other IP's tho....
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Post by kpeter on Mar 4, 2019 8:59:06 GMT
^^^ They should team up with CD Projekt Red. Just a thought EA owns their asses. They don't decide their fate anymore...
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Post by kpeter on Mar 4, 2019 9:09:17 GMT
Does EA actually own Bioware tho?......didn't Bungie leave Activision not too long ago and are their own entity?... Even if its a reality, i think many crucial BW employees are long gone.
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Post by inert on Mar 4, 2019 16:40:56 GMT
I am pretty sure the game has many pros,but they are not enough to overcome the cons. As much as I'd like to recommend Anthem, this is basically my opinion in a nutshell. Patches and support may fix a number of the problems, but I think there are significant design issues that may prove difficult to overcome. Really the only positive I can give Anthem (and it is a big one, with a caveat) is that the gameplay is the beefiest Bioware has made on Frostbite to date. However, everything surrounding the gameplay ranges from merely average to downright broken. As it stands, there are very few reasons why I would consider purchasing the game in future. A price drop alone will not be enough.
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Post by max on Mar 4, 2019 17:52:44 GMT
Looks like I hit a nerve in my previous post. SMR, you feeling ok? You seem a little emotional.
Since Anthem released I have seen several people post the game sucks, only to later reveal they have never played it. You clearly have played it and if you don't like it that is your right. This is a video game meant for fun. At no point did I call anyone else 'toxic'.
First amendment? I'm not from the US. While I strongly agree with the principal behind this, I guess by your logic this protection should only apply to people who post opinions you agree with. I know you are smarter than that.
I find the gameplay in Anthem quite fun, I have been duoing it with my brother.
As for not original game play, the last original game I played was Portal 2, I have not encountered a game in years which is unique in an enjoyably different way. As a result, I do not play many video games anymore.
PS. I'm old enough to remember playing Asteroids on the original Atari
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 6, 2019 4:17:11 GMT
Looks like I hit a nerve in my previous post. SMR, you feeling ok? You seem a little emotional. Since Anthem released I have seen several people post the game sucks, only to later reveal they have never played it. You clearly have played it and if you don't like it that is your right. This is a video game meant for fun. At no point did I call anyone else 'toxic'. First amendment? I'm not from the US. While I strongly agree with the principal behind this, I guess by your logic this protection should only apply to people who post opinions you agree with. I know you are smarter than that. I find the gameplay in Anthem quite fun, I have been duoing it with my brother. As for not original game play, the last original game I played was Portal 2, I have not encountered a game in years which is unique in an enjoyably different way. As a result, I do not play many video games anymore. PS. I'm old enough to remember playing Asteroids on the original Atari Grats, now go fetch me my slippers and make me a sandwich, sonny boy.
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Post by kpeter on Mar 11, 2019 16:10:28 GMT
A week ago i paid one month of subscription of Origin Premium so i could try Anthem and BF:V before buying. I started with Anthem first. I was really trying to be open minded, and positive but can't recommend this game to anyone. Mass Effect Andromeda feels like a Masterpiece compared to Anthem, and this game is supposed be developed by the A-Team.
The only thing which is better than Andromeda is part of the gunplay. Pistols, assault rifles, machine guns, and shotguns feel way better. But it is only true for lower difficulties. Because in higher difficulties even good guns are jack shit, the damage is really subpar compared to powers and combos. But once you progress and get better and better gear its recommended to up the difficulty otherwise its getting really easy. In current patch even the grandmaster 1 difficulty feels like a cakewalk. Something between ME3 silver and gold but closer to silver.
About guns, theres still nothing that can just come even close to the satisfaction of using the claymore or the javelin. Seems like Me3 multi is really a one time miracle in BW's history. The AI is terrible, the difficulty is nothing more than hp and shield buffs, enemies are just bullet sponges. The game can be fun at first,i also enjoyed it for a while, but it really loses the juice quite fast. Some guy told me to give it time, because ME3 multi was also a mess at first. But i don't have hope for this game. Basically after 4 days i was thinking about uninstalling. It is repetitive, almost every mission is the same and even if we get content updates, the gameplay is just not good enough. Maybe in a few months i'll give it another chance, but in this shape i can't recommend it to anyone to spend 60 dollars/euros for it.
This is just basically a soulless grinder shooter, where there is not much else to do than spamming 1,2,3 keys to make combos and finish the maps, and spending effectively half the time on loading screens and salvaging all the equipment we does not need. Maybe i will give it a try after a few monts, or in a year.
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