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Post by decafhigh on Apr 16, 2019 15:01:15 GMT
Nonsense! It's all EA's fault! Yeah in a lot of ways it is. EA is the one trying normalize loot boxes and gambling mechanics in gaming, they are the ones trying to normalize the GaaS model, they are the ones saying SP games are dead and no one wants to play them anymore. EA in a lot of ways IS the problem. Activision is often equally as bad but EA is really the leader in stripping the art out of video games to turn them into money sucking slot machines.
They will have to do a lot more than release one singular game without all that nonsense, assuming that even ends up being the case, to earn my pat on the back.
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Post by rahavan on Apr 16, 2019 20:47:41 GMT
Any SW item sold under the Disney regime is a hard sell by now. Is proven time and time again it just flashy effects with mental ballast sprinkled in between. Oh for fu... listen. Disney doesn't touch their publishers when it comes to video games. They just don't. Secondly Disney has almost nothing to do with the creative direction of Star Wars. Disney is the overlord that only pays attention when something goes wrong. Please view each piece of work in both the contexts of its surroundings and by its self. If you only do one you could really miss out. Equating what we've seen in the video game industry for star wars since the Disney take over we have 1 mobile game 1 disappointing rushed game and a loot box controversy. All of those things are bad marks yes but Fallen order has some things going for it. Namely the first thing going for it? Single player. SP games are a lot harder to shove anti consumer practices in because the costumer base is far too indignant to accept that bull shit. Second point EA seems to have given respawn a free reign to be consumer friendly. This of course could be a lie but seeing the evidence now it points to a good outcome. I'm not asking you to like the game or pre order I'm just really sick of seeing this "Disney is bad guyzzzzz" attitude when quite frankly its just born from laziness and over simplification.
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 16, 2019 21:04:23 GMT
So, I do like what I see so far. The trailer looks very cool, the time after Ep3 is one of the most interesting IMO and the info we got so far all sounds exactly like what I wanted. Kinda a bit like a spiritual successor to the Jedi Knight games, maybe with a bit tactics needed in the combat and a little more open environments (though still a linear game). If Respawn does a good job, it could be just the Star Wars game I've been waiting for since the early 2000s. Fingers crossed.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Apr 17, 2019 8:57:39 GMT
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Pros: -Single player star wars story -Interesting premise Cons: -Set protagonist
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Post by Gileadan on Apr 17, 2019 9:36:17 GMT
*reinstalls Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast* Intriguing trailer, and if I remember correctly, Respawn already delivered a highly acclaimed but sadly underselling SP campaign in Titanfall II, so they definitely have the skills to pull this off. Will be keeping a close eye on this game.
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Post by Vortex13 on Apr 17, 2019 13:19:11 GMT
The PC culture reeeeing against this. I have a perfect solution: Make a game that lets us play as an alien/robot and don't even include all these social political checkbox minorities (or humanity in general). Better yet, have our alien/robot protagonist kill all humans they come across (white/black, male/female, straight/gay) so that everything is equal and no one can complain about anything.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 17, 2019 14:00:45 GMT
so that everything is equal and no one can complain about anything. What color is the robot? They would still find something to be outraged about. And frankly that would just amount to letting them win. The best thing for companies to do is to ignore them and make the game they want to make unapologetically.
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Post by Vortex13 on Apr 17, 2019 14:10:18 GMT
so that everything is equal and no one can complain about anything. What color is the robot? They would still find something to be outraged about. And frankly that would just amount to letting them win. The best thing for companies to do is to ignore them and make the game they want to make unapologetically. Well I was hoping for a game for a non-human/non-humanoid protagonist so maybe I was letting my bias show Forget white males, it's humans who are generic & boring and, if PC culture is anything to go by, humans are also really stupid.
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Post by Pounce de León on Apr 17, 2019 15:09:01 GMT
Any SW item sold under the Disney regime is a hard sell by now. Is proven time and time again it just flashy effects with mental ballast sprinkled in between. Oh for fu... listen. Disney doesn't touch their publishers when it comes to video games. They just don't. Secondly Disney has almost nothing to do with the creative direction of Star Wars. Disney is the overlord that only pays attention when something goes wrong. Please view each piece of work in both the contexts of its surroundings and by its self. If you only do one you could really miss out. Equating what we've seen in the video game industry for star wars since the Disney take over we have 1 mobile game 1 disappointing rushed game and a loot box controversy. All of those things are bad marks yes but Fallen order has some things going for it. Namely the first thing going for it? Single player. SP games are a lot harder to shove anti consumer practices in because the costumer base is far too indignant to accept that bull shit. Second point EA seems to have given respawn a free reign to be consumer friendly. This of course could be a lie but seeing the evidence now it points to a good outcome. I'm not asking you to like the game or pre order I'm just really sick of seeing this "Disney is bad guyzzzzz" attitude when quite frankly its just born from laziness and over simplification. Sounds like a recipe for disaster what with Disney not giving a fuck. And I don't really believe that neither.
There is indeed a point speaking for the whole thing and that is: Is made by Respawn. They are likely still untainted by tirple A corruption.
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Post by bshep on Apr 17, 2019 19:03:47 GMT
*reinstalls Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast* Intriguing trailer, and if I remember correctly, Respawn already delivered a highly acclaimed but sadly underselling SP campaign in Titanfall II, so they definitely have the skills to pull this off. Will be keeping a close eye on this game. Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy. I am really hoping this new game looks more similar to then than to Force Unleashed when it comes to combat. Plus this time period is a treasure trove for story telling.
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 17, 2019 21:27:39 GMT
*reinstalls Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast* Intriguing trailer, and if I remember correctly, Respawn already delivered a highly acclaimed but sadly underselling SP campaign in Titanfall II, so they definitely have the skills to pull this off. Will be keeping a close eye on this game. Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy. I am really hoping this new game looks more similar to then than to Force Unleashed when it comes to combat. Plus this time period is a treasure trove for story telling. YES! Same here. Force unleashed wasn't bad but Jedi Outcast and Academy were the pinnacle of lightsaber+force fighting in video games IMO.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 18, 2019 6:07:10 GMT
Nonsense! It's all EA's fault! Yeah in a lot of ways it is. EA is the one trying normalize loot boxes and gambling mechanics in gaming, they are the ones trying to normalize the GaaS model, they are the ones saying SP games are dead and no one wants to play them anymore. EA in a lot of ways IS the problem. Activision is often equally as bad but EA is really the leader in stripping the art out of video games to turn them into money sucking slot machines.
They will have to do a lot more than release one singular game without all that nonsense, assuming that even ends up being the case, to earn my pat on the back.
Its publishers in general doing that, Blizzard is still releasing them with Hearthstone, Activision with Call of Duty requires you to buy the Season Pass instead of individual DLC packages, Ubisoft had a microtransaction in Assassin's Creed Odyssey that people claim was required and cost $10 to make the experience better, even Rockstar hid the online component of Red Dead Redemption from reviews by releasing a short time after release which the money costs seemed to upset players enough they have changed it multiple time. Even now CDPR has talked about adding an online social hub post release as well with Cyberpunk. The first game from EA without lootboxes is Anthem so its one game and probably more along the way, I can see the sports game continuing to do the Ultimate Team idea for now as well. Games as a service aren't just EA look at any game now especially one that is online they are all games as a service you could even make the argument with The Witcher 3 being games as a service because they released additional digital downloadable content for the game with their "DLC" which was just glorified minor content for the majority of it. EA isn't the only one responsible even if the internet wants to believe their favorite publishers won't do it, but they already have. I would say EA went too far with Battlefront 2, but looking at the costs of Hearthstone over the years I am not sure why people aren't more upset about that for that can be thousands of dollars people have invested to build the decks they want for they have to hope they gets the cards then need based on RNG. Besides Rockstar made hundreds of millions of dollars with Grand Theft Auto 5 and their game as a service model for that game and people kept lining up to give them more and praise them at the same time.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 18, 2019 12:25:32 GMT
No one is suggesting EA are the ONLY ones doing this. EA is certainly the leader though, the pioneer, and the most egregious in their dealings. Activision aren't the ones out there claiming SP games games are dead, Bethesda aren't the ones out there demanding all their games be developed as GaaS, Ubisoft aren't the ones getting their loot boxes banned by governments in Europe. The fact you want to try and bring CDPR into the discussion shows how paper thin your argument is.
Not sure why this is even a point of contention aside from the internet's desire to argue over absolutely anything and everything. /shrug
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 19, 2019 5:06:23 GMT
No one is suggesting EA are the ONLY ones doing this. EA is certainly the leader though, the pioneer, and the most egregious in their dealings. Activision aren't the ones out there claiming SP games games are dead, Bethesda aren't the ones out there demanding all their games be developed as GaaS, Ubisoft aren't the ones getting their loot boxes banned by governments in Europe. The fact you want to try and bring CDPR into the discussion shows how paper thin your argument is. Not sure why this is even a point of contention aside from the internet's desire to argue over absolutely anything and everything. /shrug So anyone that doesn't agree with you is trying to have an argument? Instead of having a different point of view which can part of having a conversation. EA is not the source of all these problems, they probably have come up with one or two on their own, but as an example DLC was created by Bethesda with Horse Armor for Oblivion. I don't understand why people are so afraid of Games as a Service, everything I have seen is that it gives continual updates to a game to keep people interested in playing and most of the time its all free. There has not been any official claiming of what it really means aside from adding more content into a game post-release which has been happening since the original Xbox and it having a hard drive. I also remember playing Total Annihilation where I could download additional units for the game off the internet for free which functions a lot like Games as a Service as well. Yet if you take all those publishers and then look beyond the narrow scope you put them on you get things as well. Blizzard was the first company to have their lootboxes banned by a Government specially China and they worked around the law so they could still profit out them. Activision Blizzard was also targeted with having gambling in Europe and Valve is also on that list. CDPR is doing dumb things so its not paper thin, they are a crunch studio and former employees are claiming that they have been in crunch mode for months if not years. Not to mention CDPR put a trademark on "Cyberpunk" and that was also attempted by King for their "crush" games and even Bethesda did that with "Scrolls" and I don't recall EA ever taking someone to court over word that was trademarked. Ubisoft doesn't have lootboxes in the games I have played, but they have also said that "lootboxes were a boon for the industry" so they supported them being in their games they do have microtransactions in games like Assassin's Creed: Odyssey that seemed to upset players. So saying well these people didn't do this, doesn't mean they did other dumb things. I am not saying that EA is innocent of the troubles they have gotten themselves into, but putting all the blame on them is shortsighted.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 19, 2019 13:26:43 GMT
/shrug You are obviously only reading the parts of the post you want or simply ignoring the parts that don't fit the argument you want to have. Great example of the internet arguing just to argue. For the sake of ending this ridiculousness your white knighting has convinced me. I've seen the light. EA are the saviors of the video game industry and its the evil consumer exploiting likes of CDPR and others that are just ruining it for everyone...
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Post by Hier0phant on Apr 19, 2019 14:24:15 GMT
The majority of game publishers engage in predatory practices but EA's historical abuse of loot boxes with BF2 resulted in a response from the EU of all organisations, and pissed off King Mickey something fierce. At the end of the day, regardless if it was intentional or not, EA are scumbags/dumbasses for using a child friendly IP to get kids hooked on gambling.
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Post by mattig89ch on Apr 19, 2019 15:19:40 GMT
The majority of game publishers engage in predatory practices but EA's historical abuse of loot boxes with BF2 resulted in a response from the EU of all organisations, and pissed off King Mickey something fierce. At the end of the day, regardless if it was intentional or not, EA are scumbags/dumbasses for using a child friendly IP to get kids hooked on gambling.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 20, 2019 6:03:17 GMT
The majority of game publishers engage in predatory practices but EA's historical abuse of loot boxes with BF2 resulted in a response from the EU of all organisations, and pissed off King Mickey something fierce. At the end of the day, regardless if it was intentional or not, EA are scumbags/dumbasses for using a child friendly IP to get kids hooked on gambling. The problem is if you are going to look at one IP to get kids hooked into gambling that isn't the entire picture. Hearthstone is aimed at children just as much as Star Wars both were rated Teen and both required purchases to progress further unless you sink a lot of time into the product. Depending on the parents some might have more concern over a Star Wars game then a card game.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 20, 2019 15:31:09 GMT
Comparing purchasing card packs to loot box gambling strikes me rather disingenuous. As does comparing dlc, seasons passes, etc. The content to cost ratio and predatory nature of the various methods of monetization are clearly miles apart.
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Post by Hier0phant on Apr 20, 2019 16:10:10 GMT
The majority of game publishers engage in predatory practices but EA's historical abuse of loot boxes with BF2 resulted in a response from the EU of all organisations, and pissed off King Mickey something fierce. At the end of the day, regardless if it was intentional or not, EA are scumbags/dumbasses for using a child friendly IP to get kids hooked on gambling. The problem is if you are going to look at one IP to get kids hooked into gambling that isn't the entire picture. Hearthstone is aimed at children just as much as Star Wars both were rated Teen and both required purchases to progress further unless you sink a lot of time into the product. Depending on the parents some might have more concern over a Star Wars game then a card game. Star Wars in terms of fame >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hearthstone which is why it caught flack the way it did. Now Hearthstone? I never played it so my knowledge about it is close to nil, but if it exposes kids to gambling with irl currency then it should be taken to task too. About BF again, spending 60 usd then potentially hundreds of usd for a preferred prize with no guarantee you'll ever see it is exposing, and getting kids hooked to gambling. It's no different than selling virtual lottery scratch-off tickets to minors.
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Post by rahavan on Apr 23, 2019 18:14:36 GMT
Some info in there I hadn't already seen. I'm gonna laugh if the story is basically TFU rebooted. I know people would be upset but I'm 100% okay with that I really just want to smack some people with muh lightsaber.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 24, 2019 16:02:27 GMT
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Post by userdomainerror on Apr 25, 2019 14:58:19 GMT
I, personally, am so tired of playing any kind of Sci-Fi RPG as a human. Its so old, its been played out to the point of not even interesting me anymore. I wish they would give us more options! Blah blah white human this, blah blah white human that.. its redundant. I seen the trailer and it peaked my interest, but as soon as I seen that there was a set protagonist, I completely changed my mind. Why not at least make the game like Mass Effect series? Or even the Dragon Age series? Better yet... how about SWTOR????? Makes no sense to me, unless it is less work and all they care about is making Anthem.. er I mean money.. and will they make this another Battlefront 2??? I don't know. I am just underwhelmed by this all together. If I can make a mod that allows me to play as an alien, maybe.. if not, buy this one I wont.
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Post by Vortex13 on Apr 25, 2019 15:28:36 GMT
I, personally, am so tired of playing any kind of Sci-Fi RPG as a human. Its so old, its been played out to the point of not even interesting me anymore. I wish they would give us more options! Blah blah white human this, blah blah white human that.. its redundant. I seen the trailer and it peaked my interest, but as soon as I seen that there was a set protagonist, I completely changed my mind. Why not at least make the game like Mass Effect series? Or even the Dragon Age series? Better yet... how about SWTOR????? Makes no sense to me, unless it is less work and all they care about is making Anthem.. er I mean money.. and will they make this another Battlefront 2??? I don't know. I am just underwhelmed by this all together. If I can make a mod that allows me to play as an alien, maybe.. if not, buy this one I wont. Agreed, No matter what skin color, gender, minority group, or any other SJW focus group people try to shove in the spotlight will not change the fact that humans = boring. Though I will say that I am of the minority opinion that feels that even most aliens are boring too, since they are basically a human with blue/green skin and/or wearing a rubber mask. It's always eye-rolling when people equate playing as a T'wilek or Zabrack as somehow being different than playing as a human. Screw the 1:1 human analogues, I want to play as a Wookie; even a lowly droid would be more interesting as a protagonist.
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