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Post by jackdaniel on Mar 9, 2019 13:56:46 GMT
^ So they did lie. The diagreement is whether they lied about things that were okay to lie about.
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Post by Terminator Force on Mar 9, 2019 14:11:36 GMT
^ So they did lie. The diagreement is whether they lied about things that were okay to lie about. And are you free of lies? Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 9, 2019 15:47:25 GMT
I mean almost every game does the same thing BioWare does. It doesn’t surprise me to see a graphical downgrade.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 9, 2019 15:49:22 GMT
Well I destroyed a mans life, not only his life but his wives as well. When I left them he was on the verge of suicide. A slave more or less. Granted he had a very shady past. His wife was forced into a career of licking stamps for the rest of her life or "else".
Other players have made other choices and the couple lived happily ever after like Mr and Mrs Bond in his imperial majestys secret service.
On the other spectrum my fountain doesn't work =(. Other have flowing water.
Most of the alternative consequences are at this point unknown to me. Thanks for the response. I’ll have to watch for that if I play again. When, come on Space.
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Post by General Mahad on Mar 9, 2019 19:30:02 GMT
You can make all the excuses you want for BioWare, it’s still false advertising.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 9, 2019 20:26:33 GMT
You can make all the excuses you want for BioWare, it’s still false advertising. If that is your standard, I need to see you complaining about a lot more advertising than just Anthem, or you're a hypocrite. Advertisers have a lot of leeway in product imagery vs. reality: To be absolutely clear about what I'm saying here: the presumption of an E3 trailer being a pixel-perfect representation of the released product, with or without banner disclaimers, is not just absurdly naive, it ignores the precedent of exaggerated product imagery that is accepted across multiple categories.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 9, 2019 20:51:18 GMT
I mean if people are going slam Anthem, then you need to go after other games
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Post by General Mahad on Mar 9, 2019 22:23:20 GMT
You can make all the excuses you want for BioWare, it’s still false advertising. If that is your standard, I need to see you complaining about a lot more advertising than just Anthem, or you're a hypocrite. Advertisers have a lot of leeway in product imagery vs. reality: To be absolutely clear about what I'm saying here: the presumption of an E3 trailer being a pixel-perfect representation of the released product, with or without banner disclaimers, is not just absurdly naive, it ignores the precedent of exaggerated product imagery that is accepted across multiple categories. Spare me your whataboutism, I’m talking about Anthem only.
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Post by bshep on Mar 10, 2019 0:02:42 GMT
Same thing applies a lot of games that release a non CG trailer. But when it is Bioware everyone loses their minds.
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Post by Gileadan on Mar 10, 2019 0:26:52 GMT
To be absolutely clear about what I'm saying here: the presumption of an E3 trailer being a pixel-perfect representation of the released product, with or without banner disclaimers, is not just absurdly naive, it ignores the precedent of exaggerated product imagery that is accepted across multiple categories. We know downgrades happen. No one expects pre-release trailers to be pixel-perfect representations of the actual game. No one bitched at Dragon Age Inquisition because the combat didn't look like it did in the trailers. Because the trailers said it wasn't a representation of gameplay. Yet the Anthem E3 trailer starts with this sentence: "Everything you are about to see was captured in-game running in real-time." It specifically states that the game looks like the trailer that is about to follow. It's that statement that's the problem, not the fact that the downgrade happened. Maybe the game looked like that once, and the statement was true at the time it was made. And then they figured out that something requiring three nitrogen-cooled 1080Ti to run acceptably might not fly so well on console or even enthusiast gaming PCs. There's a trailer that shows a strider being used as a mobile base, a feature completely absent from the finished game. That's not just a graphical difference, that's showing something that doesn't exist. What good are trailers that are so different from the final game? I've only seen that once before - with Aliens: Colonial Marines.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 10, 2019 0:37:54 GMT
This is an excellent video for anyone looking for a really well explained difference between plot, story, and narrative using ... FF as an example . The dude making the video was annoyed at people using the terms interchangeably. He really explains it well, I'm kinda jealous. That was an interesting little watch...
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Post by NotN7 on Mar 10, 2019 0:53:43 GMT
I'm sorry but I have never felt that I have been lied to in any game, I get a kick out of everyone trying to make me believe that I was pls get real if you think that then quit playing games and live the lies of real life.
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Post by river82 on Mar 10, 2019 0:55:44 GMT
This is an excellent video for anyone looking for a really well explained difference between plot, story, and narrative using ... FF as an example . The dude making the video was annoyed at people using the terms interchangeably. He really explains it well, I'm kinda jealous. That was an interesting little watch... In the past 5 years or so everyone has been overusing the term "narrative". It's one of those words that have suddenly become really popular and people use it even when it doesn't really mean what they want it to mean. Well, I say the past 5 years but it's been going on much longer than that. Prof. Peter Brooks, now of the University of Virginia [...] Reached by e-mail, Professor Brooks replies: "The use of the word narrative is completely out of hand! . . . While I think the term has been trivialized through overuse, I believe the overuse responds to a recognition that narrative is one of the principal ways in which we organize our experience of the world -- a part of our cognitive tool kit that was long neglected by psychologists and philosophers."
This was back in 2004 ( www.nytimes.com/2004/12/05/magazine/narrative.html ). Everyone wants to use this term, in business lingo, in sports lingo. It's long since crossed over into popular gaming lingo, so everything is a narrative ... even when it's not. Choices which alter the story are not strictly "narrative choices", but people are so infatuated with the term they stick it in instead of "story choices" or "plot choices". Everywhere you hear "narrative" instead of "story" and I don't know why. Maybe some day someone will tell me.
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Post by river82 on Mar 10, 2019 1:06:11 GMT
You can make all the excuses you want for BioWare, it’s still false advertising. If that is your standard, I need to see you complaining about a lot more advertising than just Anthem, or you're a hypocrite. Advertisers have a lot of leeway in product imagery vs. reality: To be absolutely clear about what I'm saying here: the presumption of an E3 trailer being a pixel-perfect representation of the released product, with or without banner disclaimers, is not just absurdly naive, it ignores the precedent of exaggerated product imagery that is accepted across multiple categories. That food looks disgusting. This must be America, they have fewer regulations regarding this sort of thing than the rest of the world. My experience in Australia is that it at least KINDA looks like what's on the box. KINDA! That being said there is a lot of outrage about package labelling and deceptive practices of supermarket and food, and a growing awareness which is a good thing
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Post by NotN7 on Mar 10, 2019 1:07:24 GMT
That was an interesting little watch... In the past 5 years or so everyone has been overusing the term "narrative". It's one of those words that have suddenly become really popular and people use it even when it doesn't really mean what they want it to mean. Well, I say the past 5 years but it's been going on much longer than that. Prof. Peter Brooks, now of the University of Virginia [...] Reached by e-mail, Professor Brooks replies: "The use of the word narrative is completely out of hand! . . . While I think the term has been trivialized through overuse, I believe the overuse responds to a recognition that narrative is one of the principal ways in which we organize our experience of the world -- a part of our cognitive tool kit that was long neglected by psychologists and philosophers."
This was back in 2004 ( www.nytimes.com/2004/12/05/magazine/narrative.html ). Everyone wants to use this term, in business lingo, in sports lingo. It's long since crossed over into popular gaming lingo, so everything is a narrative ... even when it's not. Choices which alter the story are not strictly "narrative choices", but people are so infatuated with the term they stick it in instead of "story choices" or "plot choices". Everywhere you hear "narrative" instead of "story" and I don't know why. Maybe some day someone will tell me. When I was in school English class I was taught that to have a story you needed a plot and to have a story you had to have the narrative (written word) that explains or defines the plot hence you get a story. so to me narrative is that which tells a story.
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Post by river82 on Mar 10, 2019 1:49:00 GMT
In the past 5 years or so everyone has been overusing the term "narrative". It's one of those words that have suddenly become really popular and people use it even when it doesn't really mean what they want it to mean. Well, I say the past 5 years but it's been going on much longer than that. Prof. Peter Brooks, now of the University of Virginia [...] Reached by e-mail, Professor Brooks replies: "The use of the word narrative is completely out of hand! . . . While I think the term has been trivialized through overuse, I believe the overuse responds to a recognition that narrative is one of the principal ways in which we organize our experience of the world -- a part of our cognitive tool kit that was long neglected by psychologists and philosophers."
This was back in 2004 ( www.nytimes.com/2004/12/05/magazine/narrative.html ). Everyone wants to use this term, in business lingo, in sports lingo. It's long since crossed over into popular gaming lingo, so everything is a narrative ... even when it's not. Choices which alter the story are not strictly "narrative choices", but people are so infatuated with the term they stick it in instead of "story choices" or "plot choices". Everywhere you hear "narrative" instead of "story" and I don't know why. Maybe some day someone will tell me. When I was in school English class I was taught that to have a story you needed a plot and to have a story you had to have the narrative (written word) that explains or defines the plot hence you get a story. so to me narrative is that which tells a story. One of the current hot phrases is "narrative driven games", which always makes me giggle, because about a decade ago the term "narrative driven fiction" appeared to describe some novels and people were trying to figure out what the fuck it actually meant Some said it was plot driven, some said it was the opposite of plot driven, some said it had less action ... nobody knew. Check out this archived forum page where people tried to figure it out: absolutewrite.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-143214.htmlIt went nowhere, so they went to the forum where you could ask literary a literary agent some questions. Nobody there could figure it out either lol absolutewrite.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-143368.htmlI assume in games it's just used to separate games that have a heavy emphasis on story. Should be "story driven games" but whatever
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 10, 2019 2:05:27 GMT
Most of the mis-truth I see is from the clckbaiters. Outfits will cost $20 - no they won't. The game will brick your PS4 - no it won't. People are getting banned for farming chests - no they aren't. Another day, more bullshit. I'm trying to spend a little less time on the internet reading it and a little more time in the game enjoying playing it.
As a 'first look' 2 years before release, the E3 2017 trailer was reasonably representative of what we have and anticipate that we will still get in the GAAS. That's not to say that BioWare hasn't dropped the ball with bugs and build quality, a AAA game shouldn't release as a D+ build. But an awesome buggy game can become an awesome fixed game. I have sympathy for those who base their understanding of reality of what an outrage mob tells them, but that's their choice entirely. Indeed in th end I used the same technique for MEA much better that way
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 10, 2019 2:16:04 GMT
There are no choices in the critical path. I don't see why you would wanna do a new run through. I've replayed FPSs and adventure games. I don't see why Anthem would be any different. Indeed so have I in fact recently played an old classic of mine that I own Star Trek Voyager Elite Force was fun blowing up the Borg again on that. Especially as I hadn't played it for ages I just felt the need to pick it up and play it again.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 10, 2019 2:45:01 GMT
Spare me your whataboutism, I’m talking about Anthem only. Spare me your selective application of an absurdly high standard for E3 trailers.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 10, 2019 3:03:12 GMT
No one expects pre-release trailers to be pixel-perfect representations of the actual game. I wouldn't say no one. Just read this thread. Yet the Anthem E3 trailer starts with this sentence: "Everything you are about to see was captured in-game running in real-time." It specifically states that the game looks like the trailer that is about to follow. No, it states that the trailer was made with the game, as opposed to, with cinematic CGI or other film magic. If, instead, the sentence was "this is actual gameplay," you'd have a point, but that's not what it said. And, even if there was a permanent banner across every frame that said "ACTUAL GAMEPLAY ON PRE-ALPHA BUILD," it's still unreasonable to assume, not to mention throw around accusations of lying and false advertising, that the final release will be pixel-for-pixel identical to what was shown months in advance of release. Where do you draw the line? If the game diverges from what was shown in E3 a month after release, is that false advertising? What about 3 months? What counts as reasonable and acceptable change and what amounts to intentional misleading trickery? The whole idea that an E3 trailer is some kind of contractual guarantee is just silly. I'd like to see some game studio splash a banner across their E3 trailer that lampoons this whole attitude: "This is fake and has nothing to do with how the game looks, but we wanted to show you something cool and fun to watch, so just enjoy it!"
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Post by General Mahad on Mar 10, 2019 3:27:31 GMT
Spare me your whataboutism, I’m talking about Anthem only. Spare me your selective application of an absurdly high standard for E3 trailers. Absurdly high standard? Well pardon me for actually expecting what was promised from a AAA video game company with decades of experience at an internationally broadcasted event showing upcoming games.
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Post by Terminator Force on Mar 10, 2019 3:46:52 GMT
Spare me your selective application of an absurdly high standard for E3 trailers. Absurdly high standard? Well pardon me for actually expecting what was promised from a AAA video game company with decades of experience at an internationally broadcasted event showing upcoming games. Have you played the game yet?
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Post by river82 on Mar 10, 2019 4:13:19 GMT
Don't see anything wrong with those graphics. The glitching enemies and the fingernails-on-a-chalkboard audio are a different matter though
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Post by clips7 on Mar 10, 2019 4:21:49 GMT
You can make all the excuses you want for BioWare, it’s still false advertising. If that is your standard, I need to see you complaining about a lot more advertising than just Anthem, or you're a hypocrite. Advertisers have a lot of leeway in product imagery vs. reality: I thought this was the tit-tay of that green sexy alien chick from star-trek......Capt'n Kirk is having a moment of infatuation with her in this vid.. .....
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