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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 13:57:33 GMT
Metacritic isn’t exactly reliable Then name a more reliable metric than the average extracted out of the sum of dedicated industry critics. The compilation of metrics (including commonly available metrics and others not so commonly available) to which only Bioware itself has access.
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The compilation of metrics to which only Bioware itself has access Are you saying the internal EA telemetry data? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 14:28:11 GMT
The compilation of metrics to which only Bioware itself has access Are you saying the internal EA telemetry data? I am saying that Bioware has access to numerous different metrics that they do not reveal to the public and when compiled and analyzed, those bits of information would inevitably lead to something far more accurate regarding how the game was received than either critical reviews or user ratings alone. There are more critics out there working for different publications/newspapers in the world than Metacritic compiles. Bioware gets fan feedback from more sources than Metacritic.
For example, there was a rumor floating around here that only 2500 people were playing Anthem, yet a Youtuber to played deliberately to put himself at the bottom of the leaderboards in the day after a leaderboard reset found hismelf positioned somewhere in the 4000s, meaning that within that day, there were at least that many people who had played. Bioware has access to accurate numbers of people who are playing their games on a regular basis. They know, for example, how many people are still using the Strike Missions feature in Andromeda and probably also have a breakdown of whether those access are occurring through the app or from within the game. We don't even have access to accurate sales numbers and certainly have no idea how much profit EA and bioware are getting from these games. We don't know what we don't know... admit at least that much.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 21, 2019 14:48:24 GMT
I am saying that Bioware has access to numerous different metrics that they do not reveal to the public and when compiled and analyzed, those bits of information would inevitably lead to something far more accurate regarding how the game was received than either critical reviews or user ratings alone. That is still not a very good metric. If out of 9 million people who buy a game, the 7 million of those didn't play past the first 3 hours, that data is not that useful. Some people might have enjoyed it very much but never finished, others might have forced themselves on. The data, by itself, doesn't reveal the reasons behind them. If something was popular among the 2 million people left playing the game, no disrespect, but they are irrelevant compared to the 7 million you lost. I had a conversation similar to this about Ms. Marvel, Kamala Khan, where Kamala Khan seems to be very popular, but her books sell somewhere around 15k copies. Taking the data out of the people who liked your product tells you nothing of the people that disliked your product, or didn't enjoy your product enough to keep interacting with it. Similarly, Anthem just had a "successful" seasonal event with the Cataclysm. Therefore, Bioware ditched the acts and decided to go on making seasonal events. From what I'm reading, this isn't considered a good move and did, in fact, anger a lot of people. For example, there was a rumor floating around here that only 2500 people were playing Anthem We know there's less than 2000 people playing on XBONE, that's all we know. yet a Youtuber to played deliberately to put himself at the bottom of the leaderboards in the day after a leaderboard reset found hismelf positioned somewhere in the 4000s, meaning that within that day, there were at least that many people who had played If there's only ~4000 people across all platforms is even worse. Especially if it took place during the stride of the Cataclysm. Bioware has access to accurate numbers of people who are playing their games on a regular basis. They know, for example, how many people are still using the Strike Missions feature in Andromeda and probably also have a breakdown of whether those access are occurring through the app or from within the game. We don't even have access to accurate sales numbers and certainly have no idea how much profit EA and bioware are getting from these games. We don't know what we don't know... admit at least that much. Which, as I noted above, relying on that data, regardless of what we know of that data or not, is still not an accurate metric. It is unreliable. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 14:58:57 GMT
I am saying that Bioware has access to numerous different metrics that they do not reveal to the public and when compiled and analyzed, those bits of information would inevitably lead to something far more accurate regarding how the game was received than either critical reviews or user ratings alone. That is still not a very good metric. If out of 9 million people who buy a game, the 7 million of those didn't play past the first 3 hours, that data is not that useful. Some people might have enjoyed it very much but never finished, others might have forced themselves on. The data, by itself, doesn't reveal the reasons behind them. If something was popular among the 2 million people left playing the game, no disrespect, but they are irrelevant compared to the 7 million you lost. I had a conversation similar to this about Ms. Marvel, Kamala Khan, where Kamala Khan seems to be very popular, but her books sell somewhere around 15k copies. Taking the data out of the people who liked your product tells you nothing of the people that disliked your product, or didn't enjoy your product enough to keep interacting with it. Similarly, Anthem just had a "successful" seasonal event with the Cataclysm. Therefore, Bioware ditched the acts and decided to go on making seasonal events. From what I'm reading, this isn't considered a good move and did, in fact, anger a lot of people. For example, there was a rumor floating around here that only 2500 people were playing Anthem We know there's less than 2000 people playing on XBONE, that's all we know. yet a Youtuber to played deliberately to put himself at the bottom of the leaderboards in the day after a leaderboard reset found hismelf positioned somewhere in the 4000s, meaning that within that day, there were at least that many people who had played If there's only ~4000 people across all platforms is even worse. Especially if it took place during the stride of the Cataclysm. Bioware has access to accurate numbers of people who are playing their games on a regular basis. They know, for example, how many people are still using the Strike Missions feature in Andromeda and probably also have a breakdown of whether those access are occurring through the app or from within the game. We don't even have access to accurate sales numbers and certainly have no idea how much profit EA and bioware are getting from these games. We don't know what we don't know... admit at least that much. Which, as I noted above, relying on that data, regardless of what we know of that data or not, is still not an accurate metric. It is unreliable. You forget that Bioware ALSO has access to all the comments and MORE comments than you ever do, ALONG WITH all the other data. The compilation of ALL that data (including Metacritic scores) will always be more accurate than making assumptions based on data from only one of those sources (which is what you're doing and then trying to imply you have a better handle on the overall picture than they do).
You asked for a more accurate metric than Metacritic and I gave it to you. It is the compilation of multiple sources of data, including Metacritic, that will always be more accurate than just Metacritic. The compilation of all of those sources of data is only available to Bioware (and EA).
Re the Anthem thing - you're jumping to conclusions again. I did not state what platform he played on and there is no indication as to whether the leaderboard he referred to was "across all platforms" or just on whatever platform he was playing on. Again, admit that you don't know what you don't know instead of jumping to such rash conclusions based on what is not actually being said. You did with PewDiePie as well... 6 million views (or whatever the number was) don't mean 6 million unique viewers or even just views that agree with him nor does it eliminate my 100 views alone, which were accidental run-ons from viewing other things thanks to YouTube's algorithm of selecting what to autoplay after a video ends and an inability to permanently prevent autoplays unless one actually signs in to Youtube (which I don't, so I have to remember to manually turn off autoplay each time I start watching a video... and I'm human, so I forget). His views metric is not accurate and how much that skews your "data" representation of it is UNKNOWN. Even likes don't always mean that the person giving the like agrees with the stance taken. It may just mean they liked the quality of the video itself.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 21, 2019 15:27:25 GMT
You forget that Bioware ALSO has access to all the comments and MORE comments than you ever do, ALONG WITH all the other data. The compilation of ALL that data (inclcuding Metacritic scores) will always be more accurate than making assumptions based on data from only one of those sources (which is what you're doing and then trying to imply you have a better handle on the overall picture than they do). Then they know they've fucked up. You asked for a more accurate metric than Metacritic and I gave it to you. It is the compilation of multiple sources of data, including Metacritic, that will always be more accurate than just Metacritic. Indeed. But you claimed that date is MORE accurate than Metacritic, not in addition to Metacritic. Re the Anthem thing - you're jumping to conclusions again. I did not state what platform he played on and there is no indication as to whether the leaderboard he referred to was "across all platforms" or just on whatever platform he was playing on Well, you didn't clarify that, either. I think, on XBONE, that the "Most Played" tab only tracks games that have 2k and above active players on average. The reason why I think that is that, it jumped from 49 games before the previous weekend to 51 on Monday and today it's back down to 50. To the best of my google-fu, it seems that the games that make it on that list border at the 2k players average. So we do know that Anthem has less than 2k players on XBONE. Again, admit that you don't know what you don't know instead of jumping to such rash conclusions based on what is not actually being said. Some date is available to us and I will discuss what I can make out of them. If someone has better data, I will discuss that too. I'm very interested to discuss about that youtuber you mentioned, for example. You did with PewDiePie as well... 6 million views (or whatever the number was) don't mean 6 million views that agree with him Of course not. But it didn't help sell any copies, either. If you think that cause absolutely no damage to Andromeda's performance, Todd Howard just called you naive. nor does it eliminate my 100 views alone, which were accidental run-ons from viewing other things thanks to YouTube's algorithm of selecting what to autoplay after a video ends and an inability to permanently prevent autoplays unless one actually signs in to Youtube (which I don't, so I have to remember to manually turn off autoplay each time I start watching a video... and I'm human, so I forget) Are you claiming Pewdiepie's video was viewed entirely by unsigned in users on youtube's Andromeda autoplay algorithm? Unless this is the point you are trying to make, it is irrelevant. And the possibility that out of the 100 million subscribers, as of a few weeks now, what you are saying was the entire source of the video's views, or even half of those views, is a gross exaggeration of what you should be considering possible. His views metric is not accurate and how much that skews your "data" representation of it is UNKNOWN. But I'd be hard pressed to call it positive or marginal. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 15:38:43 GMT
You forget that Bioware ALSO has access to all the comments and MORE comments than you ever do, ALONG WITH all the other data. The compilation of ALL that data (inclcuding Metacritic scores) will always be more accurate than making assumptions based on data from only one of those sources (which is what you're doing and then trying to imply you have a better handle on the overall picture than they do). Then they know they've fucked up. You asked for a more accurate metric than Metacritic and I gave it to you. It is the compilation of multiple sources of data, including Metacritic, that will always be more accurate than just Metacritic. Indeed. But you claimed that date is MORE accurate than Metacritic, not in addition to Metacritic. Re the Anthem thing - you're jumping to conclusions again. I did not state what platform he played on and there is no indication as to whether the leaderboard he referred to was "across all platforms" or just on whatever platform he was playing on Well, you didn't clarify that, either. I think, on XBONE, that the "Most Played" tab only tracks games that have 2k and above active players on average. The reason why I think that is that, it jumped from 49 games before the previous weekend to 51 on Monday and today it's back down to 50. To the best of my google-fu, it seems that the games that make it on that list border at the 2k players average. So we do know that Anthem has less than 2k players on XBONE. Again, admit that you don't know what you don't know instead of jumping to such rash conclusions based on what is not actually being said. Some date is available to us and I will discuss what I can make out of them. If someone has better data, I will discuss that too. I'm very interested to discuss about that youtuber you mentioned, for example. You did with PewDiePie as well... 6 million views (or whatever the number was) don't mean 6 million views that agree with him Of course not. But it didn't help sell any copies, either. If you think that cause absolutely no damage to Andromeda's performance, Todd Howard just called you naive. nor does it eliminate my 100 views alone, which were accidental run-ons from viewing other things thanks to YouTube's algorithm of selecting what to autoplay after a video ends and an inability to permanently prevent autoplays unless one actually signs in to Youtube (which I don't, so I have to remember to manually turn off autoplay each time I start watching a video... and I'm human, so I forget) Are you claiming Pewdiepie's video was viewed entirely by unsigned in users on youtube's Andromeda autoplay algorithm? Unless this is the point you are trying to make, it is irrelevant. And the possibility that out of the 100 million subscribers, as of a few weeks now, what you are saying was the entire source of the video's views, or even half of those views, is a gross exaggeration of what you should be considering possible. His views metric is not accurate and how much that skews your "data" representation of it is UNKNOWN. But I'd be hard pressed to call it positive or marginal. 1) Only they can determine whether or not they "fucked up" and how exactly they may have "fucked up" and whether or not the game is salvageable with specific improvements. In short, therefore, only they are in a position to best decide what they do going forward, not the fan base.
2) I clearly stated "a compilation of data." Why would you assume therefore that it would not include data compiled from Metacritic? Bioware clearly has access to that data - and probably in more detail than you or I do. They also probably have the ability to have that data analyzed and filtered in different ways by Metacritic (i.e. a service that were I with Metacritic I might be inclined to offer to devs).
Read about jumping to conclusions based on what is not actually being said... and learn.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 21, 2019 15:59:21 GMT
1) Only they can determine whether or not they "fucked up" and how exactly they may have "fucked up" and whether or not the game is salvageable with specific improvements. In short, therefore, only they are in a position to best decide what they do going forward, not the fan base. I look forward to the future, then. I am sure Anthem has a prosperous future, going forward thanks to EA data. 2) I clearly stated "a compilation of data." Why would you assume therefore that it would not include data compiled from Metacritic? Because you talked about EA's data. I thought you spoke specifically about that. Bioware clearly has access to that data - and probably in more detail than you or I do. They also probably have the ability to have that data analyzed and filtered in different ways by Metacritic (i.e. a service that were I with Metacritic I might be inclined to offer to devs). I can only talk about the data available to me. The community can talk about the data available to it. It's not just EA that can talk about it and internally enough so that we never see the light of day of that data. Who knows, perhaps this conversation right here might make it into the data. Read about jumping to conclusions based on what is not actually being said... and learn. Learn? Ooh. How very dictating. I've been a bad boy. Spank me, daddy. 
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 16:30:07 GMT
1) Only they can determine whether or not they "fucked up" and how exactly they may have "fucked up" and whether or not the game is salvageable with specific improvements. In short, therefore, only they are in a position to best decide what they do going forward, not the fan base. I look forward to the future, then. I am sure Anthem has a prosperous future, going forward thanks to EA data. 2) I clearly stated "a compilation of data." Why would you assume therefore that it would not include data compiled from Metacritic? Because you talked about EA's data. I thought you spoke specifically about that. Bioware clearly has access to that data - and probably in more detail than you or I do. They also probably have the ability to have that data analyzed and filtered in different ways by Metacritic (i.e. a service that were I with Metacritic I might be inclined to offer to devs). I can only talk about the data available to me. The community can talk about the data available to it. It's not just EA that can talk about it and internally enough so that we never see the light of day of that data. Who knows, perhaps this conversation right here might make it into the data. Read about jumping to conclusions based on what is not actually being said... and learn. Learn? Ooh. How very dictating. I've been a bad boy. Spank me, daddy. You've firmly planted your head back into the sand again I see. I did not "talk aobut EA's data" in my initial post to your question I specifically said and only said: "The compilation of metrics to which only Bioware itself has access.' It was in direct response to your post which said, and only said: "Then name a more reliable metric than the average extracted out of the sum of dedicated industry critics."
The rest of your post is, therefore, moot.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 21, 2019 16:37:19 GMT
The compilation of metrics to which only Bioware itself has access Doesn't that exclude the metrics that are commonly/publicly accessible? That's how I read it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 16:57:49 GMT
The compilation of metrics to which only Bioware itself has access Doesn't that exclude the metrics that are commonly accessible? That's how I read it. that's your assumption based yet again on what was not actually said. Bioware has access to ever more critic reviews than those Metacritic uses, but do you think their ability to access additional reviews prevents them from accessing those that appear on Metacritic? I wrote the comment assuming you would know what a "compilation" of data is all about... that it would include those sources commonly accessible in addition to sources that aren't.
definition of compilation: the act of collecting information from a variety of places to arrange it in a book, report, or list: (ref: Cambridge dictionary).
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 21, 2019 16:59:57 GMT
that's your assumption based yet again on what was not actually said. Bioware has access to ever more critic reviews than those Metacritic uses, but do you think their ability to access additional reviews prevents them from accessing those that appear on Metacritic? I wrote the comment assuming you would know what a "compilation" of data is all about... that it would include those sources commonly accessible in addition to sources that aren't. There is no reason to assume that a compilation of data not available to us, also includes the data that is available to us. But have it your way. Excuse my comprehension.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 17:07:03 GMT
that's your assumption based yet again on what was not actually said. Bioware has access to ever more critic reviews than those Metacritic uses, but do you think their ability to access additional reviews prevents them from accessing those that appear on Metacritic? I wrote the comment assuming you would know what a "compilation" of data is all about... that it would include those sources commonly accessible in addition to sources that aren't. There is no reason to assume that a compilation of data not available to us, also includes the data that is available to us. But have it your way. Excuse my comprehension. See correction. Happy now?
Their compilation of metrics will always be more accurate than any of yours (since you are, in reality, compiling metrics and using them to form/support your own personal opinions... and are even ignoring sources that don't agree with your opinions.)
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 21, 2019 17:08:28 GMT
See correction. Happy now? Not particularly. That means I don't get a spanking. Disappointed.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 17:10:32 GMT
See correction. Happy now? Not particularly. That means I don't get a spanking. Disappointed. Add a "spank" just for your satisfaction, then.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Sept 22, 2019 11:49:23 GMT
BioWare always had slip ups in their dialogue and banter - I'll never forget the thug in Jade Empire saying "Wait a sec" - and there are cringey moments in most of their games, but I think there was a noticeable shift from ME3 to MEA regarding the overall amount of silly one liners. To me it felt like a genre switch - from soap opera to sitcom. MEA was the first BioWare game with scenes that made me imagine a canned laughter track in the background. The Marvel effect has spread out and effected a lot of action games, movies and TV shows.
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Post by correctamundo on Sept 22, 2019 18:58:10 GMT
That is still not a very good metric. If out of 9 million people who buy a game, the 7 million of those didn't play past the first 3 hours, that data is not that useful. Some people might have enjoyed it very much but never finished, others might have forced themselves on. The data, by itself, doesn't reveal the reasons behind them. If something was popular among the 2 million people left playing the game, no disrespect, but they are irrelevant compared to the 7 million you lost. I had a conversation similar to this about Ms. Marvel, Kamala Khan, where Kamala Khan seems to be very popular, but her books sell somewhere around 15k copies. Taking the data out of the people who liked your product tells you nothing of the people that disliked your product, or didn't enjoy your product enough to keep interacting with it. Similarly, Anthem just had a "successful" seasonal event with the Cataclysm. Therefore, Bioware ditched the acts and decided to go on making seasonal events. From what I'm reading, this isn't considered a good move and did, in fact, anger a lot of people. We know there's less than 2000 people playing on XBONE, that's all we know. If there's only ~4000 people across all platforms is even worse. Especially if it took place during the stride of the Cataclysm. Which, as I noted above, relying on that data, regardless of what we know of that data or not, is still not an accurate metric. It is unreliable. You forget that Bioware ALSO has access to all the comments and MORE comments than you ever do, ALONG WITH all the other data. The compilation of ALL that data (including Metacritic scores) will always be more accurate than making assumptions based on data from only one of those sources (which is what you're doing and then trying to imply you have a better handle on the overall picture than they do).
You asked for a more accurate metric than Metacritic and I gave it to you. It is the compilation of multiple sources of data, including Metacritic, that will always be more accurate than just Metacritic. The compilation of all of those sources of data is only available to Bioware (and EA).
Re the Anthem thing - you're jumping to conclusions again. I did not state what platform he played on and there is no indication as to whether the leaderboard he referred to was "across all platforms" or just on whatever platform he was playing on. Again, admit that you don't know what you don't know instead of jumping to such rash conclusions based on what is not actually being said. You did with PewDiePie as well... 6 million views (or whatever the number was) don't mean 6 million unique viewers or even just views that agree with him nor does it eliminate my 100 views alone, which were accidental run-ons from viewing other things thanks to YouTube's algorithm of selecting what to autoplay after a video ends and an inability to permanently prevent autoplays unless one actually signs in to Youtube (which I don't, so I have to remember to manually turn off autoplay each time I start watching a video... and I'm human, so I forget). His views metric is not accurate and how much that skews your "data" representation of it is UNKNOWN. Even likes don't always mean that the person giving the like agrees with the stance taken. It may just mean they liked the quality of the video itself.
Leaderboards are not cross-platform. 
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 19:20:22 GMT
You forget that Bioware ALSO has access to all the comments and MORE comments than you ever do, ALONG WITH all the other data. The compilation of ALL that data (including Metacritic scores) will always be more accurate than making assumptions based on data from only one of those sources (which is what you're doing and then trying to imply you have a better handle on the overall picture than they do).
You asked for a more accurate metric than Metacritic and I gave it to you. It is the compilation of multiple sources of data, including Metacritic, that will always be more accurate than just Metacritic. The compilation of all of those sources of data is only available to Bioware (and EA).
Re the Anthem thing - you're jumping to conclusions again. I did not state what platform he played on and there is no indication as to whether the leaderboard he referred to was "across all platforms" or just on whatever platform he was playing on. Again, admit that you don't know what you don't know instead of jumping to such rash conclusions based on what is not actually being said. You did with PewDiePie as well... 6 million views (or whatever the number was) don't mean 6 million unique viewers or even just views that agree with him nor does it eliminate my 100 views alone, which were accidental run-ons from viewing other things thanks to YouTube's algorithm of selecting what to autoplay after a video ends and an inability to permanently prevent autoplays unless one actually signs in to Youtube (which I don't, so I have to remember to manually turn off autoplay each time I start watching a video... and I'm human, so I forget). His views metric is not accurate and how much that skews your "data" representation of it is UNKNOWN. Even likes don't always mean that the person giving the like agrees with the stance taken. It may just mean they liked the quality of the video itself.
Leaderboards are not cross-platform. Thanks. I suspected as much, but I wasn't sure. That thoroughly shoots down SirSourpuss comment, doesn't it?
I honestly can't remember what platform the Youtuber I saw was playing on. He did mention the rumored only 2000 people playing number, so maybe it was Xbone... I don't know. I do know he was expecting to see his score come up in the 2000s range on the leaderboards and was somewhat surprised to see it in the 4000s. He also had no real idea whether he had played poorly enough to be right at the bottom. There could have been quite a few players below him for all he know.
I'm not saying it's great, but it is better than some people are leading others to believe... like was done just above by implying that the number I cited even could be "across all platforms."
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Post by revelationeffect on Sept 22, 2019 19:23:20 GMT
Regardless of all of this, it's important to take into account the serious technical issues the game had at launch, due to EA forcing the release then and Bioware having shot themselves repeatedly in the foot throughout the dev process by fucking around with procedural generation instead of making an actual game. The game, fixed as it is, is far more polished and lacks the tremendous visual bugs and animation stiffness that led to the reviews being quite as dire as they are. As it stands, it is certainly very flawed, given Ryder's very limited options for roleplay and the tonal issues that would crop up (for instance how you could theoretically go from a very deliberately comedic companion mission to leading a raid on a fucked-up genetic experimentation facility), but there are the bones of a pretty good game in there. So yeah, treating it like an atrocity is pretty ridiculous, it's just not nearly as good as it could have been and has numerous issues. Personally I find it to range from mediocre to fairly enjoyable across the experience, never becoming truly awful.
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Post by correctamundo on Sept 22, 2019 20:20:26 GMT
Leaderboards are not cross-platform. Thanks. I suspected as much, but I wasn't sure. That thoroughly shoots down SirSourpuss comment, doesn't it?
I honestly can't remember what platform the Youtuber I saw was playing on. He did mention the rumored only 2000 people playing number, so maybe it was Xbone... I don't know. I do know he was expecting to see his score come up in the 2000s range on the leaderboards and was somewhat surprised to see it in the 4000s. He also had no real idea whether he had played poorly enough to be right at the bottom. There could have been quite a few players below him for all he know.
I'm not saying it's great, but it is better than some people are leading others to believe... like was done just above by implying that the number I cited even could be "across all platforms."
It does, in more ways than one. If the 50th most played xbox game only has 2k concurrent players the xbox platform is in sorry state indeed. On steam alone that spot yields 10k +. On PC as a whole it is much higher. Anyway Anthem shares the spot on xbox most played games with NMS and they have average 15-20 k players on steam now. Make of that what you will.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 23, 2019 11:34:30 GMT
If the 50th most played xbox game only has 2k concurrent players the xbox platform is in sorry state indeed. On steam alone that spot yields 10k +. On PC as a whole it is much higher I use this to get my info, it's MS' official page. For all my efforts to track down a number of average XBONE players for Wildlands, the #50 game on the list, the closest I got was ~1900 daily average. Of course daily average does not mean concurrent, nor maximum. As I've searched around, it seems that the XBOX most played page tracks games that have 2k average players and up and since, it seems, Wildlands got an update recently, it makes sense it broke that 2k player average. If what you guys are saying is right, since the start of the Cataclysm, ~4k players have made at least an attempt for that platform. The metric can be higher, depending on whether the leaderboard resets at regular intervals and how often these are. It would also help to know the platform the youtuber was on. Typically, population ratio goes for every 1 ps4 player there's ~0.33 XBONE player to ~0.25 PC players. So if the ~4k spot was on PC, the PS4 population would peak at ~4x that, so 16-17k players? Not bad, honestly, for what Anthem does. On the other hand, MS may calculate the "most played" differently. Maybe it's peak players and Wildlands pulls something like ... 15k players at prime time, but averages out at 2k players and Anthem does 14k players and averages 12k players throughout the day. Which would put that youtuber's run way above the rest of the leaderboard list, though. It's possible. Unlikely, but possible. |
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Sept 23, 2019 11:48:15 GMT
Regardless of all of this, it's important to take into account the serious technical issues the game had at launch, due to EA forcing the release then and Bioware having shot themselves repeatedly in the foot throughout the dev process by fucking around with procedural generation instead of making an actual game. The game, fixed as it is, is far more polished and lacks the tremendous visual bugs and animation stiffness that led to the reviews being quite as dire as they are. As it stands, it is certainly very flawed, given Ryder's very limited options for roleplay and the tonal issues that would crop up (for instance how you could theoretically go from a very deliberately comedic companion mission to leading a raid on a fucked-up genetic experimentation facility), but there are the bones of a pretty good game in there. So yeah, treating it like an atrocity is pretty ridiculous, it's just not nearly as good as it could have been and has numerous issues. Personally I find it to range from mediocre to fairly enjoyable across the experience, never becoming truly awful. For me it is just really really hard to get by the fact that they sent thousands of people to another galaxy and only armed them with the barest of weapons. It gets even stupider when you realize the people funding it were doing it as a way to escape the Reapers. In the Milky Way Galaxy we already know life exists on other planets and there are plenty of hostile species (Rachni, Batarian, Krogan, etc) and they could easily run into a race of technological equals that are aggressive and attack the Initiative.
From what is shown in game even just the Alliance 5th Fleet alone would wreck the Kett and drive them out of the Heleus Cluster. Instead the final attack is using transport shuttles. It is really hard to get over how stupid it is to send so many people to a new galaxy armed with sling shots when the natives could have RPGs.
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Post by correctamundo on Sept 23, 2019 12:24:00 GMT
If the 50th most played xbox game only has 2k concurrent players the xbox platform is in sorry state indeed. On steam alone that spot yields 10k +. On PC as a whole it is much higher I use this to get my info, it's MS' official page. For all my efforts to track down a number of average XBONE players for Wildlands, the #50 game on the list, the closest I got was ~1900 daily average. Of course daily average does not mean concurrent, nor maximum. As I've searched around, it seems that the XBOX most played page tracks games that have 2k average players and up and since, it seems, Wildlands got an update recently, it makes sense it broke that 2k player average. If what you guys are saying is right, since the start of the Cataclysm, ~4k players have made at least an attempt for that platform. The metric can be higher, depending on whether the leaderboard resets at regular intervals and how often these are. It would also help to know the platform the youtuber was on. Typically, population ratio goes for every 1 ps4 player there's ~0.33 XBONE player to ~0.25 PC players. So if the ~4k spot was on PC, the PS4 population would peak at ~4x that, so 16-17k players? Not bad, honestly, for what Anthem does. On the other hand, MS may calculate the "most played" differently. Maybe it's peak players and Wildlands pulls something like ... 15k players at prime time, but averages out at 2k players and Anthem does 14k players and averages 12k players throughout the day. Which would put that youtuber's run way above the rest of the leaderboard list, though. It's possible. Unlikely, but possible. Yeah...no. If the 50th most played game on Xbox has on avarege 2k players they're not a third of the market. At tops they're a tenth.
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