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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Sept 21, 2020 6:09:00 GMT
Just have played all four (end of A is nearing), and can say in OT the NPCs looked wayyy more bad, and even main cast wasnt as good except mainly Liara and Garrus maybe in animation and overall visual department. This is of course my opinion, but I think its quite clear. Combine this with lighting errors especially in 2 and 3, didnt look good today.Jarring things in A are the misaligned lookingpoint and some mouth and eye movements, but overall they have more going on. Funnily I also noticed ME1 has most smoothest animation playback of all four (on PC), it seems others are not played back on full resolution/speed or then its intentional (memory space was tight on PS3&X360). I didnt finish 2 or 3. That's too bad because 2 and 3 were excellent games. They used a different engine than MEA so you would obviously see differences. If that drove you from the story then you've opted to miss out on a great story. One of the biggest complaints from ME3 was the ending. If you play on PC you can mod the ending. I've always thought 2 wasnt a good ME game, 3 remedied some of it. I have played OT through like 13x but ME1 the most of them.
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Post by ahglock on Sept 21, 2020 15:11:20 GMT
Maybe even after release and patches a lot of characters just looked bad, peebees face stripe didn't do her any favors. Just have played all four (end of A is nearing), and can say in OT the NPCs looked wayyy more bad, and even main cast wasnt as good except mainly Liara and Garrus maybe in animation and overall visual department. This is of course my opinion, but I think its quite clear. Combine this with lighting errors especially in 2 and 3, didnt look good today.Jarring things in A are the misaligned lookingpoint and some mouth and eye movements, but overall they have more going on. Funnily I also noticed ME1 has most smoothest animation playback of all four (on PC), it seems others are not played back on full resolution/speed or then its intentional (memory space was tight on PS3&X360). I didnt finish 2 or 3. Its pretty subjective. I felt the art design of the characters was superior in the trilogy. Its probably a engine preference but I prefer how the the characters were rendered in the trilogy. ME3 a few characters notably Ash looked plastic but overall I feel they looked good and far superior to the characters in MEA, and that's ignoring the asari clone issues.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 21, 2020 15:20:39 GMT
I've always thought 2 wasnt a good ME game, 3 remedied some of it. I have played OT through like 13x but ME1 the most of them. I've heard at least one diehard ME2 lover called ME3 "Mass Effect 1, part 2". IOW, ME2 seemed to be out of place. He thought the general plot of ME2 fit better as a first game. I agree. We learn of a massive threat, find a human Reaper and then destroy a Mass Relay to stave them off. It could really work, especially if the Council can't see past the destruction to understand why it was done. That forces Shepard to go to Cerberus. It would even make the "Bring Down the Sky" dlc work better, since an attempt to destroy Terra Nova would be retaliation. If Space Jesus is required, we've got Sovereign for that. Then ME3 more or less follows the same path. Would that be more palatable to you?
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Sept 21, 2020 15:23:27 GMT
Just have played all four (end of A is nearing), and can say in OT the NPCs looked wayyy more bad, and even main cast wasnt as good except mainly Liara and Garrus maybe in animation and overall visual department. This is of course my opinion, but I think its quite clear. Combine this with lighting errors especially in 2 and 3, didnt look good today.Jarring things in A are the misaligned lookingpoint and some mouth and eye movements, but overall they have more going on. Funnily I also noticed ME1 has most smoothest animation playback of all four (on PC), it seems others are not played back on full resolution/speed or then its intentional (memory space was tight on PS3&X360). I didnt finish 2 or 3. Its pretty subjective. I felt the art design of the characters was superior in the trilogy. Its probably a engine preference but I prefer how the the characters were rendered in the trilogy. ME3 a few characters notably Ash looked plastic but overall I feel they looked good and far superior to the characters in MEA, and that's ignoring the asari clone issues. If you go look at them closely as I did, you'll notice they look quite bad vs. A's NPC's. Super black around eyes and suddenly total white eyeballs around those... I give you the asari but a lot of it goes to the same category in OT, you cannot see their faces very well which is a plus in those games
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Sept 21, 2020 15:26:05 GMT
I've always thought 2 wasnt a good ME game, 3 remedied some of it. I have played OT through like 13x but ME1 the most of them. I've heard at least one diehard ME2 lover called ME3 "Mass Effect 1, part 2". IOW, ME2 seemed to be out of place. He thought the general plot of ME2 fit better as a first game. I agree. We learn of a massive threat, find a human Reaper and then destroy a Mass Relay to stave them off. It could really work, especially if the Council can't see past the destruction to understand why it was done. That forces Shepard to go to Cerberus. It would even make the "Bring Down the Sky" dlc work better, since an attempt to destroy Terra Nova would be retaliation. If Space Jesus is required, we've got Sovereign for that. Then ME3 more or less follows the same path. Would that be more palatable to you? At this point I'd probably just stop at 1... but that sounds kinda okay, we still have the reality of how they were made. If you remove the line about Reapers being masses in dark space, they are done and ME1 has ended, Andromeda starts.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 21, 2020 16:10:07 GMT
If you go look at them closely as I did, you'll notice they look quite bad vs. A's NPC's. Super black around eyes and suddenly total white eyeballs around those... I give you the asari but a lot of it goes to the same category in OT, you cannot see their faces very well which is a plus in those games There is a difference between trying to hide something bad, for whatever reason and simply not giving a fuck about how blatantly bad something looks. Yeah, Bioware's model work was never good. Textures, particles, etc. all had some problems. But there was also tech and engine limitations at the time, like tech being too new to work with, hardware not being strong enough, the impossible to adequately program for Cell processor, all sorts of problems, for that generation. Hell, in ME3 you had very obvious loading screens inside the Normandy and you couldn't even holster your gun. It made ME3 feel like a technologically vastly inferior product to its predecessors. But ME:A was in the middle of its console generation, it used a vastly superior game engine, technologically, to UE3, supported far better textures and greater polygon counts and it ended up looking ... disappointing. Each game has to stand against the standards of its time. You can't compare Baldur's Gate to Control, the tech simply wasn't there, nor the hardware to run it on. You're making Baldur's Gate a disservice with that comparison. In certain aspects, Andromeda was so technically flawed, that yes, the MET does look better. For example, I was watching a stream of an animator trying to extract and use the ME:A models and he was extracting Cora. The model was so poorly rigged, the flexes were so bad, which basically explained why the models had such terrible animations. In contrast, the MET models behaved far better, with far less deformations. Some times, poor work is poor work. That's all there is to it.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 21, 2020 16:10:42 GMT
At this point I'd probably just stop at 1... but that sounds kinda okay, we still have the reality of how they were made. If you remove the line about Reapers being masses in dark space, they are done and ME1 has ended, Andromeda starts. It could end. But I'd be pissed to have no ME1 lover interest. Not really sure why you find ME2 and ME3 so horrifying given that you never finished them. I know tastes vary but I can't even get a grasp as to why you hate them.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Sept 21, 2020 16:24:55 GMT
At this point I'd probably just stop at 1... but that sounds kinda okay, we still have the reality of how they were made. If you remove the line about Reapers being masses in dark space, they are done and ME1 has ended, Andromeda starts. It could end. But I'd be pissed to have no ME1 lover interest. Not really sure why you find ME2 and ME3 so horrifying given that you never finished them. I know tastes vary but I can't even get a grasp as to why you hate them. Oh, but I said "I have played OT through like 13x"
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 21, 2020 16:38:50 GMT
It could end. But I'd be pissed to have no ME1 lover interest. Not really sure why you find ME2 and ME3 so horrifying given that you never finished them. I know tastes vary but I can't even get a grasp as to why you hate them. Oh, but I said "I have played OT through like 13x" Okay, I missed it. Must have been a current PT where you didn't finish. I had been surprised, anyway, since you've been around a long time. Plenty of time to make judgments. I used to dislike ME2 but I've come around. I really like Miranda but I could take or leave the rest of the new squadmates. Maybe keep Mordin since he's essential for survival. As for ME3, I could easily skip Vega and maybe restore the "dead" squadmate from Virmire in his place. (That's an iffy proposition given the emotional stuff between survivor and Shep.) I'd probably give Miranda a real role in ME3. Let the Shadow Broker do Shadow Brokery things and put Miranda in the field. I used to hate Miranda but boy have I come around with her. One reason I do like ME3 is because there are a lot of emotional issues, at least if you lean toward Paragon. Grunt mission, Mordin, Thane, goodbye to love interest, and leaving Earth all come to mind. If Miranda dies, that's emotional. Same with A/K. Tugs at my heartstrings more than anything since Virmire.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 21, 2020 16:49:33 GMT
I really like Miranda but I could take or leave the rest of the new squadmates I liked most of the ME2 crew. I liked most of the ME1 crew, as well, but I have to admit, the ME2 crew intrigued me more. Mostly seeing as how they weren't bogged down by having to be codex entries for their species, while also trying to have a personality. And even on that front, Thane being a codex entry for the Drell, but also having a personality was, I think, handled better than anyone's from ME1. I of course loved space Evelyn Mulwray as well, just look at my avatar, but I also liked Jack. Again, their dynamic, their ability to so effortlessly bounce off each other, trough banter or simple contrast, not to mention the obvious dangling of a more personal plot between them is just potential that I've not seen since or before them. What a shame Bioware decided we didn't need to see it. One reason I do like ME3 is because there are a lot of emotional issues, at least if you lean toward Paragon While that is true, I also think it is very manipulative, on Bioware's part and at some point, because it isn't used sparingly, just loses its impact. Sacrifice is good, sacrifice is needed, but ME3 is a fucking bloodbath. Maybe it needed to be, but it's a little disconnected even compared to ME2, with its Suicide Mission, to the rest of the trilogy. Nowhere else do we feel so helpless, with such little agency and irrelevant to the plot.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 21, 2020 16:56:21 GMT
I've heard at least one diehard ME2 lover called ME3 "Mass Effect 1, part 2". IOW, ME2 seemed to be out of place. He thought the general plot of ME2 fit better as a first game. I agree. We learn of a massive threat, find a human Reaper and then destroy a Mass Relay to stave them off. It could really work, especially if the Council can't see past the destruction to understand why it was done. That forces Shepard to go to Cerberus. It would even make the "Bring Down the Sky" dlc work better, since an attempt to destroy Terra Nova would be retaliation. If Space Jesus is required, we've got Sovereign for that. Then ME3 more or less follows the same path. Take a look at this.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Sept 21, 2020 17:02:51 GMT
Oh, but I said "I have played OT through like 13x" Okay, I missed it. Must have been a current PT where you didn't finish. I had been surprised, anyway, since you've been around a long time. Plenty of time to make judgments. I also dont hate them, I still like them but something has gone away from the games, maybe in 5 years I'll revisit..
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 21, 2020 17:08:18 GMT
I've heard at least one diehard ME2 lover called ME3 "Mass Effect 1, part 2". IOW, ME2 seemed to be out of place. He thought the general plot of ME2 fit better as a first game. I agree. We learn of a massive threat, find a human Reaper and then destroy a Mass Relay to stave them off. It could really work, especially if the Council can't see past the destruction to understand why it was done. That forces Shepard to go to Cerberus. It would even make the "Bring Down the Sky" dlc work better, since an attempt to destroy Terra Nova would be retaliation. If Space Jesus is required, we've got Sovereign for that. Then ME3 more or less follows the same path. Take a look at this. I was referencing you, even though I was coming up with my own stuff.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 21, 2020 17:09:47 GMT
Okay, I missed it. Must have been a current PT where you didn't finish. I had been surprised, anyway, since you've been around a long time. Plenty of time to make judgments. I also dont hate them, I still like them but something has gone away from the games, maybe in 5 years I'll revisit.. I can see that. I've spent a lot of time away but not specifically because I wanted to. ME2 was having a major crash problem during the Archangel recruitment mission. It made me sad and I walked away. It now works again so I'm back to it.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 21, 2020 17:12:01 GMT
I was referencing you, even though I was coming up with my own stuff. I know. Just so you know, it was another poster, don't recall who, that originally mentioned having ME2 as ME1 on the old forum.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 21, 2020 17:12:37 GMT
I liked most of the ME2 crew I liked the screw well enough. Zaeed and Kasumi were poorly done with integration but I liked Kasumi. What I really meant was that I found her the most compelling. Thane's death was another of those emotional things, not to mention his messages during the Citadel DLC. Same with Mordin, but his death and his song in the dlc.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 21, 2020 17:14:22 GMT
I was referencing you, even though I was coming up with my own stuff. I know. Just so you know, it was another poster, don't recall who, that originally mentioned having ME2 as ME1 on the old forum. The old boards were shut down shortly before I found it. There was then this board and Fextralife trying to take over. Actually feel bad about Fextralife because great pains were taken to import the old boards onto their server. I wanted to support it but no one else did.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 21, 2020 17:15:47 GMT
I liked the screw well enough I really liked the ME2 crew, though. And it seems a lot of people did, too. Generally, they were the most well received across the Trilogy.
Edit: I understand this isn't a very constructive post, but I just meant to say how most ME fans really like the ME2 crew.
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Post by ahglock on Sept 21, 2020 19:16:14 GMT
I liked the screw well enough I really liked the ME2 crew, though. And it seems a lot of people did, too. Generally, they were the most well received across the Trilogy.
Edit: I understand this isn't a very constructive post, but I just meant to say how most ME fans really like the ME2 crew. I think most people agree. ME2 is a weird one in that its the most well received ME2 even though it has some serious story flaws. It was just executed really well.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 21, 2020 22:31:43 GMT
I liked the screw well enough I really liked the ME2 crew, though. And it seems a lot of people did, too. Generally, they were the most well received across the Trilogy.
Edit: I understand this isn't a very constructive post, but I just meant to say how most ME fans really like the ME2 crew. What made the crew unforgettable was the Honorable Mr. Rupert Gardner, the greatest chef in the universe. He went above the call of duty to keep the Commander, crew and squad fed. Too bad he wasn't in ME3. That would be a good reason to remake ME3.
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Post by Guardian on Sept 22, 2020 5:37:46 GMT
I really liked the ME2 crew, though. And it seems a lot of people did, too. Generally, they were the most well received across the Trilogy.
Edit: I understand this isn't a very constructive post, but I just meant to say how most ME fans really like the ME2 crew. I think most people agree. ME2 is a weird one in that its the most well received ME2 even though it has some serious story flaws. It was just executed really well. Yeah...you hit the nail on the head with this one. ME 2 had it's flaws with story and plot (anyone that says otherwise is really deluding themselves). However, it was a serious upgrade in many, many ways to ME 1 and, despite Citadel for ME 3, like you said - was just executed so damn well that many overlook the flaws to enjoy the game. It's one of the reasons why (unless I feel like doing an entire run), I just start with an import of an ME 1 save and go right into ME 2. This isn't to say ME 1 is bad (that combat system though.... ), but overall, ME 2 was the superior game in terms of overall quality. And yes, the crew itself had personality (I feel this was the peak of Bioware's character design/creation/writing), including the returning Garrus and Tali. I will say (and I'm not the first to say this), while Tali was just a walking codex entry for the Quarrians, she gave us a lot of detail and insight as to how her people live and thrive (which, when we're going into a brand new IP, I want to know about this stuff; Dragon Age did it with the Elves and the Dwarves, teasing a little of the Quinari). I really wanted to know more about Turians, Asari and Krogan on that same level, but felt a bit sad I never got it.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 25, 2020 14:52:33 GMT
I really liked the ME2 crew, though. And it seems a lot of people did, too. Generally, they were the most well received across the Trilogy.
Edit: I understand this isn't a very constructive post, but I just meant to say how most ME fans really like the ME2 crew. I think most people agree. ME2 is a weird one in that its the most well received ME2 even though it has some serious story flaws. It was just executed really well. For me, it was one of those things where my initial overwhelmingly positive reaction slowly started to decay after the inevitable numerous replays I would go through, to the point where I end up replaying it the least of the lot. It was executed really well, which makes for a great first impression. I just wish that it wasn't so perforated by its issues that I could retain more of that satisfaction. It's kind of like a more competent Abrams movie. It has a lot of personality and is a lot of fun, but if you keep coming back, it's going to eventually start to become kind of a hot mess.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Sept 25, 2020 14:55:48 GMT
I think most people agree. ME2 is a weird one in that its the most well received ME2 even though it has some serious story flaws. It was just executed really well. For me, it was one of those things where my initial overwhelmingly positive reaction slowly started to decay after the inevitable numerous replays I would go through, to the point where I end up replaying it the least of the lot. It was executed really well, which makes for a great first impression. I just wish that it wasn't so perforated by its issues that I could retain more of that satisfaction. It's kind of like a more competent Abrams movie. It has a lot of personality and is a lot of fun, but if you keep coming back, it's going to eventually start to become kind of a hot mess. This is one of the reasons it dropped to the last place of all four for me.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 25, 2020 19:51:01 GMT
I really liked the ME2 crew, though. And it seems a lot of people did, too. Generally, they were the most well received across the Trilogy.
Edit: I understand this isn't a very constructive post, but I just meant to say how most ME fans really like the ME2 crew. I think most people agree. ME2 is a weird one in that its the most well received ME2 even though it has some serious story flaws. It was just executed really well. Doesn't it have to HAVE a story in order to have story flaws? I mean, it had great characters, who had FA to do aside from their personal mission. They almost never even acknowledged each other's presence!
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 25, 2020 22:12:13 GMT
They almost never even acknowledged each other's presence! They had interactions with each other, in missions and even on the Normandy. But not in the way ME3 did them.
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