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Post by cloud9 on Aug 31, 2020 13:20:16 GMT
I'll say this again... Having Shepard or not has no influence on BioWare's writing quality. Shepard cannot be BioWare's savior. At this point, all they can do is ruin Shepard. I'd rather they throw their writing skills at some other characters and only ever reconsider Shepard (be it in a remake or whatever else) when they have proven that they can still actually write interesting stories rather than bland shallow uninteresting waves of useless information. If they decided to go back to work on the trilogy with Shepard, then they should do a remake to rewrite the story.
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 31, 2020 13:32:01 GMT
How does that fix ME3, though? In my view, ME3's issues arise primarily due to the issues ME2 put in the franchise. The first two entries need to be in order so that the final one stands any chance of being decent. Despite the whole fuss about the ME3 ending, the game I worry the least about is ME3. I worry the most about ME2, because since that one was hyped to the moon, developers keep using that one as some sort of golden reference despite its enormous list of issues. I just came across these articles, which also depict the issues with ME2, and I share that opinion. www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=28485www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=28582The most relevant part...; The writers not only failed to make use of [the ME1] plot elements, they took every single aspect of this setup and smashed it to pieces. The council is retconned to not believing in the Reapers and not caring about the massive attack that nearly wiped out their government. Shepard loses his status as both a Spectre and a member of the Alliance. Liara goes away and forgets all about Prothean archaeology. Shepard’s ability to understand Prothean is no longer an asset to their mission. Shepard’s relationship with the council reverts to the pre-Ilos status quo. Shepard is no longer the protagonist because his team is uniquely qualified to learn about Reapers, but instead he’s the protagonist because of his fame and combat prowess. Yes! Please show that to BioWare!
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Post by Iakus on Aug 31, 2020 15:17:06 GMT
Then in ME3 it focuses more on the war itself. So what are you going to fight, in that war? Judging my ME2, twelve random bad*sses and a thanix cannon...
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Post by Highwayman667 on Sept 1, 2020 15:46:27 GMT
So what are you going to fight, in that war? Judging my ME2, twelve random bad*sses and a thanix cannon...
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Post by Iakus on Sept 3, 2020 3:21:17 GMT
Judging my ME2, twelve random bad*sses and a thanix cannon... I've seen The Dirty Dozen This was no Dirty Dozen
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Post by Highwayman667 on Sept 3, 2020 3:41:11 GMT
I've seen The Dirty Dozen This was no Dirty Dozen I know ! It was better !
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 3, 2020 4:35:03 GMT
Kelly’s Heroes is a much better film.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Sept 3, 2020 11:19:34 GMT
Kelly’s Heroes is a much better film. It wasn't a better film..... It was a GREAT film. 😉
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Post by Iakus on Sept 3, 2020 13:10:33 GMT
I've seen The Dirty Dozen This was no Dirty Dozen I know ! It was better ! The Dirty Dozen showed how the team came together as a unit. They had a specific goal in mind, and trained for it . To the point where they had a rhyme indicating each person's role in the job. ("Ten: Sawyer and Lever are in the pen / Eleven: Posey guards points five and seven. Twelve: Wladislaw and the Major go down to ") ME2, the "plan" such as it was, was "go through the relay we know FA about and wreck sh*t"
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 3, 2020 17:29:03 GMT
I know ! It was better ! The Dirty Dozen showed how the team came together as a unit. They had a specific goal in mind, and trained for it . To the point where they had a rhyme indicating each person's role in the job. ("Ten: Sawyer and Lever are in the pen / Eleven: Posey guards points five and seven. Twelve: Wladislaw and the Major go down to ") ME2, the "plan" such as it was, was "go through the relay we know FA about and wreck sh*t" Where it kind of falls apart for me is that it was more interested in the indulgences of creating “new and interesting” characters, regardless of how much sense it made to the story in particular. It’s essentially a hodgepodge of set pieces and character vignettes. It’s kind of telling how little thought went into the actual main plot when any involvement with the Collectors or Reapers are largely tangential to the majority of the characters, backstories or companion missions. I feel like most of the new companions of ME2 were misplaced in a Shepard-centric game. I would’ve loved to have them in a game removed from a soldier character fighting Ancient Evil, dealing more with the smaller scope of sci-fi underworld shenanigans.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 3, 2020 18:25:06 GMT
ah yes, The Dirty Dozen. Not a bad film, but Kelly's Heroes is much better
In ME2, there are 12 squadmates. Can they be compared to the Dirty Dozen? No. When their loyalty missions are completed, they did alright, but if those missions weren't completed, they become the useless dozen. Take a look at Vakarian. The turian was in the military for however long, he was with C-sec for however long. So he has the background to handle any situation he might run into, yet he has problems as fireteam leader because his loyalty mission wasn't completed. He's more focused on that than the mission at hand. That's one of the problems with ME2, loyalty missions being one of the deciding factors for a character to live or die.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 3, 2020 18:29:59 GMT
ah yes, The Dirty Dozen. Not a bad film, but Kelly's Heroes is much better In ME2, there are 12 squadmates. Can they be compared to the Dirty Dozen? No. When their loyalty missions are completed, they did alright, but if those missions weren't completed, they become the useless dozen. Take a look at Vakarian. The turian was in the military for however long, he was with C-sec for however long. So he has the background to handle any situation he might run into, yet he has problems as fireteam leader because his loyalty mission wasn't completed. He's more focused on that than the mission at hand. That's one of the problems with ME2, loyalty missions being one of the deciding factors for a character to live or die. To be fair, the true pinnacle of uselessness at that point is Joker, because his Vrolik’s syndrome ensures that if everyone dies, there’s no one left strong enough to pull Shepard up. The other team members do technically get their jobs done, even if they die lol.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 3, 2020 18:53:30 GMT
To be fair, the true pinnacle of uselessness at that point is Joker, because his Vrolik’s syndrome ensures that if everyone dies, there’s no one left strong enough to pull Shepard up. The other team members do technically get their jobs done, even if they die lol. To be fair, if the Alliance had any proper recruiting skills, Moreau would never have been allowed in the military. The other thing is look at ME3. Apparently it was ok to have the undisciplined punk with the potty mouth to become an instructor.
Even though the squadmates may have succeeded doing whatever, Shepard doesn't know that ahead of time. You want them at their best instead being distracted by stupid crap that they have no control over at that time. But whatever. Apparently that crap was more important than the mission to allow themselves to die or have another character die.
As I've said before, if a loyalty mission isn't completed, I would have that effect the relationship between Shepard and that character especially in ME3. When seeing that character in ME3, that character has a different tone of voice. Maybe giving Shepard the cold shoulder.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 3, 2020 20:18:20 GMT
A lot of stuff would need to be swapped around for that to function. ME2’s basic plot is unsuitable for the intro game, and the dozen or so ragtags and the emphasis on recruitment and loyalty missions just couldn’t be there. It would take away far too much from the actual priority missions (and definitely no Suicide Mission right at the start). There could be the use of the disappearing colonies, but the irony is that if this new version of ME1 used the disappearing colonies and removing the threat, it actually makes “ME2” defunct, and we could just skip right to ME3, and forget the whole trilogy idea altogether. Of course a lot of stuff would have to change. It would be up to Bioware what changes to make.
Here's one way that could happen.
ME2, now ME1, starts off like the original ME2 started. The SR1 comes under attack suffering some casualties. Shepard does not die. For roughtly the next 2 years, Shepard helps with the recovery of the bodies, or what's left of them, from the SR1. After that is assigned to find the ones responsible for the attack. One day on the Citadel, Shepard encounters Miranda Lawson who mentions colonists have been abducted. To prove it, Shepard joins Lawson on Freedom's Progress. Even though the Alliance is not in favor of Shepard working with Cerberus, they agree something has to be done. Plus Cerberus will provide a ship for Shepard to use.
The crew and squad, Williams, Alenko, Traynor, Cortez, Moreau(without a disability), Daniels, Connelly, Chakwas, from the SR1 join Shepard. Lawson will also be on the squad. Throughout the game, Shepard will keep Udina and Hackett updated with her/his progress. Throughout the game, TIM will make a couple of cameos to pass any useful information to Shepard that might help with the mission.
After getting the ship, it's suggested to take along a turian sincde it was with their help in building the SR1 to find out who was responsible for destroying the SR1. Garrus Vakarian is givng permission by his boss to help Shepard get answers. The other squadmates that will be recruited are Mordin Solus, Samara. Thane, and Grunt.
When it comes to the IFF, the ships that houses the IFF is one of unknown origins. While on the ship, it is scanned for future use.
The suicide mission won't be suicide, just a very challenging mission since no one knows what to expect when entering the galactic core. Squadmates will not be the ones to provide upgrades to the ship. At certain points in the game, the player will get the option to purchase that upgrade. Loyalty mission wil have nothing to do with deciding if a character dies or not. The crew being abducted won't happen. Once the IFF is found, it would be up to Shepard to go through the omega 4 relay at that time. Since the edi hologram was able to open doors on the collector ship, it will be able to do the same on the collector base. The only possible deaths is if no upgrades are purchased for the ship, fireteam leader and the biotic barrier. Each squadmate and Shepard will carry a rucksack with explosives. Thses exsplosaives will be planted as the squadmates move throughout the base. When encountering the giant looking thing, questions arise at too why the collectors are building it. Instead of fighting it, Shepard fights the collector general.
Once the base is destroyed, Shepard hands any infornation over to the Allainc e for them to investigate.
ME2, formerly known as ME1, starts with Shepard on the SR2 with crew and squad, Willaims and Alenko. A long for the rise is Nihlus. Before going to Eden Prime, Shepard and Nihlus complete a couple of missions. The reason for that is Shepard has been elected to become a spectre. After Eden Prime, the council will not talk with Udina C-Sec has completed their investigation. So Udina suggests to Shepard to travel to Feros since there were reports of geth in the area and comms were lost with the colony. On Feros, Shepard encounters Liara t'soni who passes the Cipher to Shepard. She is a former commando who studies protheans. She is taken back to the citadel. While she talks with Udina, Shepard gathers more evidence. Shepard encounters Vakarian who just completed his investigation. Later findsa a quarian who has an audio file that confirms Saren was involved with Eden Prime. Saren is no longer a spectre. Vakarian and Tali join the squad. Wrex will join just before Shepard leaves.
On Virmie, A/K both survive. Wrex leaves Shepard to go after the cure. Shepard finds him wounded from dealing with whoever. The cure was destroyed before he could get it.
Throughout the game, the conversation with Sovereign and Virgil have been recorded. After talking with Virgil, it downloads to Shepard's omni-tool plans for a weapon that could destroy the reapers.
The fight with Sovereign is different from the former ME1. The reaper is taking damage. It releases it's hold of the tower to focus on the Alliance ships. Within a few minutes. several Alliance ships are destroyed. Once Saren is finally destroyed, the reaper is destroyed as well.
Udina becomes human councilor, the destiny ship is seriously damaged, the council survives since they used a shuttle to fly away from the battle. After talking with Shepard and hearing the recordings, the council decides to find a way to stop the reapers.
Arrival would/could be a mission after Saren is dealt with having Shepard learning the reapers are on their way to the galaxy.
ME3 will be slightly different from the original ME3. Liara is on Mars investigating more clues to help explain the plans that were given to by Virgil. Squadmates for the game would be Alenko, Williams, Javik, Grunt, Vakarian, T'soni, Tali and Samara. Miranda joins the squad part way through the game.
There will be no chance for peace between the geth and quarians, at least not the way that it happens in the old ME3. Instead of happening because of reaper interference, it happens because Han 'I have an itchy trigger finger' Gerrell stands down long enough that the geth stop firing. No one knows how long the peace will last, but they will worry about that after the reapers have been dealt with.
The Citadel coup will happen after Thessia. Cerberus will be dealt with before finishing off the reapers. There will be no silly beam run crap. There will be no thing aka catalyst. Once the arms to the Citadel are fully opened, the crucible fires it's beam of destroy.
Will Bioware do the above? No. What the above does is give the opening for a sequel with either Shepard returning or a whole new cast of characters.
If they were to remake the trilogy, I would keep the games in the current order, but with changes. A couple of changes would be Shepard not dying at the beginning of ME2, the collectors be a long side mission with the main mission traveling to darkspace to get answers on how to deal with the reapers. The other change is MEA. In a remake have some stuff seen/heard in MEA happen in the trilogy. In ME1, have the player be able to see the Hyperion under construction when on the moon for a mission. Maybe a scene with Alec Ryder.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 3, 2020 21:31:28 GMT
ah yes, The Dirty Dozen. Not a bad film, but Kelly's Heroes is much better In ME2, there are 12 squadmates. Can they be compared to the Dirty Dozen? No. When their loyalty missions are completed, they did alright, but if those missions weren't completed, they become the useless dozen. Take a look at Vakarian. The turian was in the military for however long, he was with C-sec for however long. So he has the background to handle any situation he might run into, yet he has problems as fireteam leader because his loyalty mission wasn't completed. He's more focused on that than the mission at hand. That's one of the problems with ME2, loyalty missions being one of the deciding factors for a character to live or die. Don't forget being a potential Spectre candidate AND a vigilante leader so successful it took three armies of mercs AND a traitor in his organization to stop him
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 3, 2020 21:37:50 GMT
The crew and squad, Williams, Alenko, Traynor, Cortez, Moreau(without a disability), Daniels, Connelly, Chakwas, from the SR1 join Shepard. Lawson will also be on the squad. *sees no Kelly*
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 3, 2020 21:54:51 GMT
To be fair, the true pinnacle of uselessness at that point is Joker, because his Vrolik’s syndrome ensures that if everyone dies, there’s no one left strong enough to pull Shepard up. The other team members do technically get their jobs done, even if they die lol. To be fair, if the Alliance had any proper recruiting skills, Moreau would never have been allowed in the military. The other thing is look at ME3. Apparently it was ok to have the undisciplined punk with the potty mouth to become an instructor.
Even though the squadmates may have succeeded doing whatever, Shepard doesn't know that ahead of time. You want them at their best instead being distracted by stupid crap that they have no control over at that time. But whatever. Apparently that crap was more important than the mission to allow themselves to die or have another character die.
As I've said before, if a loyalty mission isn't completed, I would have that effect the relationship between Shepard and that character especially in ME3. When seeing that character in ME3, that character has a different tone of voice. Maybe giving Shepard the cold shoulder.
Hah, character approval system in Mass Effect? My good sir thou art mad! No but really I really wish Mass Effect had a proper approval type system where we can affect the disposition and availability of certain characters. I want a game where I can make Garrus hate me lol. In these games, any character that is against Shepard simply dies, and that’s a pretty shallow system in relation to its sister property. “Loyalty” doesn’t really mean anything in Mass Effect.
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Post by Phantom on Sept 4, 2020 1:23:07 GMT
The crew and squad, Williams, Alenko, Traynor, Cortez, Moreau(without a disability), Daniels, Connelly, Chakwas, from the SR1 join Shepard. Lawson will also be on the squad. *sees no Kelly* Well I have ME3 remake idea that involving a New PC saving Kelly Chambers and she becomes recruit-able for a playable NPC. Cerberus will have a much reduced role with an ingame reason as well. Yeah the Reapers will have new factions to play with and harvest the galaxy with.
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Post by ahglock on Sept 4, 2020 1:48:55 GMT
The crew and squad, Williams, Alenko, Traynor, Cortez, Moreau(without a disability), Daniels, Connelly, Chakwas, from the SR1 join Shepard. Lawson will also be on the squad. *sees no Kelly* Good Good...
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Post by themikefest on Sept 4, 2020 20:29:02 GMT
Get rid of Moreau. Make Chambers the pilot. Have Chambers be Udina's secretary Have Chambers be TIM's mistress Chambers can have the role the guy had in ME3. Walk around in circles saluting Shepard when activated Chambers is the catalyst space hamster is female named Chambers Chambers can be the vendor arguing with refund guy Chambers replaces t'soni as the so-called prothean expert Chambers can be avina
Chambers takes the role of Jenkins in ME2, formerly known as ME1, except she doesn't die. She is reassigned to another unit. In ME3 she is assigned security detail for the council. Her and Shepard face each other during the coup.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Sept 4, 2020 20:38:53 GMT
Get rid of Moreau. Make Chambers the pilot. Have Chambers be Udina's secretary Have Chambers be TIM's mistress Chambers can have the role the guy had in ME3. Walk around in circles saluting Shepard when activated Chambers is the catalyst space hamster is female named Chambers Chambers can be the vendor arguing with refund guy Chambers replaces t'soni as the so-called prothean expert Chambers can be avina
Chambers takes the role of Jenkins in ME2, formerly known as ME1, except she doesn't die. She is reassigned to another unit. In ME3 she is assigned security detail for the council. Her and Shepard face each other during the coup.
All in favour of Chambers replacing T'soni say "Aye".
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 4, 2020 21:04:04 GMT
Get rid of Moreau. Make Chambers the pilot. Have Chambers be Udina's secretary Have Chambers be TIM's mistress Chambers can have the role the guy had in ME3. Walk around in circles saluting Shepard when activated Chambers is the catalyst space hamster is female named Chambers Chambers can be the vendor arguing with refund guy Chambers replaces t'soni as the so-called prothean expert Chambers can be avina
Chambers takes the role of Jenkins in ME2, formerly known as ME1, except she doesn't die. She is reassigned to another unit. In ME3 she is assigned security detail for the council. Her and Shepard face each other during the coup.
I don’t like any of these.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 4, 2020 23:13:16 GMT
Get rid of Moreau. Make Chambers the pilot. Have Chambers be Udina's secretary Have Chambers be TIM's mistress Chambers can have the role the guy had in ME3. Walk around in circles saluting Shepard when activated Chambers is the catalyst space hamster is female named Chambers Chambers can be the vendor arguing with refund guy Chambers replaces t'soni as the so-called prothean expert Chambers can be avina
Chambers takes the role of Jenkins in ME2, formerly known as ME1, except she doesn't die. She is reassigned to another unit. In ME3 she is assigned security detail for the council. Her and Shepard face each other during the coup.
Make Chambers Shepard and make Joker the game vendor on the Citadel in ME2. Sheploo can be Kai Leng.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 4, 2020 23:15:30 GMT
Get rid of Moreau. Make Chambers the pilot. Have Chambers be Udina's secretary Have Chambers be TIM's mistress Chambers can have the role the guy had in ME3. Walk around in circles saluting Shepard when activated Chambers is the catalyst space hamster is female named Chambers Chambers can be the vendor arguing with refund guy Chambers replaces t'soni as the so-called prothean expert Chambers can be avina
Chambers takes the role of Jenkins in ME2, formerly known as ME1, except she doesn't die. She is reassigned to another unit. In ME3 she is assigned security detail for the council. Her and Shepard face each other during the coup.
I don’t like any of these. I dunno. I think I’d take cute redhead pilot over annoying gimpy pilot.
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Post by Highwayman667 on Sept 7, 2020 14:12:33 GMT
Get rid of Moreau. Make Chambers the pilot. Have Chambers be Udina's secretary Have Chambers be TIM's mistress Chambers can have the role the guy had in ME3. Walk around in circles saluting Shepard when activated Chambers is the catalyst space hamster is female named Chambers Chambers can be the vendor arguing with refund guy Chambers replaces t'soni as the so-called prothean expert Chambers can be avina
Chambers takes the role of Jenkins in ME2, formerly known as ME1, except she doesn't die. She is reassigned to another unit. In ME3 she is assigned security detail for the council. Her and Shepard face each other during the coup.
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