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Post by 10k on Sept 21, 2019 1:02:40 GMT
I think I will weigh in on this. Do I think BW regrets introducing romance in there games. I don't know. But I can tell you what I think about it. Romances in games are so cheap and cheezy. They have became this staple in RPGs where the player be nice to a certain character throughout the game just to be rewarded with softcore pornography. It's dumb and it adds nothing to the overall story. Nor does it add anything to the character that the player is trying to romance. Romances in games are pointless. Most of the time when the romance portion is over, the player is rewarded with an achievement and nothing persist after the awkwardly animated sex scene. And other times the character don't even remember the romance; not even bringing the topic up in dialogue anymore. I say get rid of them from games entirely, or at the very least stop making achievements for doing them. I don't want to earn them, but I would like to platinum my games.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 21, 2019 1:21:12 GMT
I think I will weigh in on this. Do I think BW regrets introducing romance in there games. I don't know. But I can tell you what I think about it. Romances in games are so cheap and cheezy. They have became this staple in RPGs where the player be nice to a certain character throughout the game just to be rewarded with softcore pornography. It's dumb and it adds nothing to the overall story. Nor does it add anything to the character that the player is trying to romance. Romances in games are pointless. Most of the time when the romance portion is over, the player is rewarded with an achievement and nothing persist after the awkwardly animated sex scene. And other times the character don't even remember the romance; not even bringing the topic up in dialogue anymore. I say get rid of them from games entirely, or at the very least stop making achievements for doing them. I don't want to earn them, but I would like to platinum my games. The thing is, romances can be, and sometimes are, much better than that. The problem is when there are so many demands made on romances, they end up getting so watered down they end up being little more than hookups. So many resources get sunk into broadening them that what we get ends up quite shallow. "Hit heart icon to score", "Do fetch quest for sexitimes." I won't say get rid of them. I would say reduce their scope. I'd take fewer, more meaningful dialogues and a new combat bark over a silly fetch quest that leads to a mocapped sex scene right before fighting the Big Bad. Heck Bioware even called those lines "lovetalks" back in the day.
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Post by revelationeffect on Sept 21, 2019 1:31:12 GMT
I think I will weigh in on this. Do I think BW regrets introducing romance in there games. I don't know. But I can tell you what I think about it. Romances in games are so cheap and cheezy. They have became this staple in RPGs where the player be nice to a certain character throughout the game just to be rewarded with softcore pornography. It's dumb and it adds nothing to the overall story. Nor does it add anything to the character that the player is trying to romance. Romances in games are pointless. Most of the time when the romance portion is over, the player is rewarded with an achievement and nothing persist after the awkwardly animated sex scene. And other times the character don't even remember the romance; not even bringing the topic up in dialogue anymore. I say get rid of them from games entirely, or at the very least stop making achievements for doing them. I don't want to earn them, but I would like to platinum my games. The thing is, romances can be, and sometimes are, much better than that. The problem is when there are so many demands made on romances, they end up getting so watered down they end up being little more than hookups. So many resources get sunk into broadening them that what we get ends up quite shallow. "Hit heart icon to score", "Do fetch quest for sexitimes." I won't say get rid of them. I would say reduce their scope. I'd take fewer, more meaningful dialogues and a new combat bark over a silly fetch quest that leads to a mocapped sex scene right before fighting the Big Bad. Heck Bioware even called those lines "lovetalks" back in the day. Really? I’d say that by and large the more recent romances are substantially better implemented. They tend to be more substantial, feel more natural and thanks to the heart option you can no longer get ninjamanced, which at its worst in Jade Empire could be incredibly difficult to avoid. I could do without the companion fetchquests DAI had but I’m happy with the trajectory they’ve taken wrt having a very broad range of tones to the romances tailored to each character.
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Post by Gwydden on Sept 21, 2019 1:34:25 GMT
The thing is, romances can be, and sometimes are, much better than that. The problem is when there are so many demands made on romances, they end up getting so watered down they end up being little more than hookups. So many resources get sunk into broadening them that what we get ends up quite shallow. "Hit heart icon to score", "Do fetch quest for sexitimes." I won't say get rid of them. I would say reduce their scope. I'd take fewer, more meaningful dialogues and a new combat bark over a silly fetch quest that leads to a mocapped sex scene right before fighting the Big Bad. Heck Bioware even called those lines "lovetalks" back in the day. I'm all for a "less is more" kind of philosophy, and dearly wish I didn't have to see a heart icon signposting dialogue ever again. But then people complain about playersexuality — as if the sexual orientation of fictional characters wasn't completely arbitrary to begin with — and ninjamancing. As for the "little more than hookups" part, I'm of the opinion that you cannot portray long-term romantic relationships within the scope of most RPGs, and I don't think I'd care to see them anyway. A big part of the appeal of these games is the high adventure, and dreary domesticity is diametrically opposed to that.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 21, 2019 1:37:01 GMT
The thing is, romances can be, and sometimes are, much better than that. The problem is when there are so many demands made on romances, they end up getting so watered down they end up being little more than hookups. So many resources get sunk into broadening them that what we get ends up quite shallow. "Hit heart icon to score", "Do fetch quest for sexitimes." I won't say get rid of them. I would say reduce their scope. I'd take fewer, more meaningful dialogues and a new combat bark over a silly fetch quest that leads to a mocapped sex scene right before fighting the Big Bad. Heck Bioware even called those lines "lovetalks" back in the day. Really? I’d say that by and large the more recent romances are substantially better implemented. They tend to be more substantial, feel more natural and thanks to the heart option you can no longer get ninjamanced, which at its worst in Jade Empire could be incredibly difficult to avoid. I could do without the companion fetchquests DAI had but I’m happy with the trajectory they’ve taken wrt having a very broad range of tones to the romances tailored to each character. The lack of ninjamance is the only good evolution of current romances, imo. They feel considerably LESS substantial to me, imo. Heck romancing Cora in MEA, I wondered if I accidentally friendzoned myself there was so little chemistry going on.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Sept 21, 2019 1:37:13 GMT
Would you mind naming some of these ~hundreds~ of games where you can be black, especially the ones where a black protagonist is your only option? I am personally very interested in such a list. Unless you are just counting the sports games, in which case that is about as interesting as playing oppression olympics. Literally ANY game that lets you create your own character allows you to make them black, and you know this, because you are here, on this fan forum for an RPG studio, so don't play dumb. It would take less time to list the games with CC that don't allow you to be black (it's pretty much just Kingdom Come Deliverance). As for games where being black is your only option, well, just off the top of my head: GTA San Andreas, Mafia 3, Prototype 2, 50 Cent: Bulletproof, 50 Cent: Blood on the Sand, Telltale's Walking Dead, Assassin's Creed: Liberation, just to name a few. A cursory google search brings up several games based on Blade, Black Panther, Afro Samurai, etc, and games starring Shaq, Michael Jordan and Michael Jackson, that aren't about sports or dancing. I never said the representation was great, and especially not on par with white protagonists. There are literally millions of video games that have existed, hundreds is not actually very many. But it's more than ZERO. There have been LITERALLY millions of games that have existed "Literally"? Alright I will say this again I am not someone who is against LGBTQ romances in any way. I played sera's,traynor,dorian,leliana,issabela,merill,liara,and zevran (when I say ones like issabela who are BI I mean as a female) and I wanted to play the cortez romance but I didn't have a male shepard who was single in ME3. I usually play as a female PC given a choice as well. So I say this as someone is is FOR having the option of LGBT romances (and yes I include transgender romance in that). Bioware has done as much as possible with this.
They are at the point where they have a checklist to include everyone.
One completely same sex romance for male and female characters. check AT least two BI characters check One hetero romance for male and female characters check
I don't mind this. I just don't understand complaining about bioware being an anti LGBT company or not providing enough. There are FAR more deserving targets for you to complain about why waste your time on this
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Post by garrusfan1 on Sept 21, 2019 1:43:14 GMT
Why regret something that helps sell their product? This. Bioware is known for character interaction and involving romances in there games and it has enhanced there sales by an incredible amount which makes everyone happy. Game writers want their work to get popular and sell more and game developers want to make more money so noone is gonna complain about this with any real effort behind it.
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Post by xerrai on Sept 21, 2019 1:45:00 GMT
*skims past lots of posts debating whether homosexuals got screwed on the romance front, a very repetitive argument* *scrolls past the arguing that is literally arguing about HOW they are arguing* wait, what was this thread about again? *reads title* Oooooo. Still no. DA team is a lot more romantic than the ME team. Patrick Weekes had to go out of his way to add on Solas because he lives on fan tears I've heard. That sounds like the opposite of regret to me. "Go out of his way" is an understatement. That man took a character who wasn't going to be romancable at all and carefully crafted his romance personally. He had to make sure not too much was revealed about Solas (because spoilers), that the romance itself was still meaningful and all while making sure he didn't unintentionally offend certain people by making Solas abide by certain stereotypes. Interestingly though, Weekes didn't expect how popular Solas's romance was for some people ( Tweet here). Of particular note is how Weekes intentionally got rid of the option for Solas to be romanced by male elves, despite apparently having the writing and voice acting beforehand. He knew how Solas would be viewed once his identity was revealed and wanted to avoid the 'Bi is evil' trope that is sometimes seen in media. ( Tweet here). Another point of interest how in Trespasser he deliberately went into the approval code so he can add an easter egg directed at hard core Solasmances. ( Screenshots here). Man did more than "go out of his way" for the Solas romance. It's his crème de la crème. His piece de resistance. His magnum opus. All so he will continue sustaining himself on solasmancer tears.
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Post by 10k on Sept 21, 2019 1:47:38 GMT
I think I will weigh in on this. Do I think BW regrets introducing romance in there games. I don't know. But I can tell you what I think about it. Romances in games are so cheap and cheezy. They have became this staple in RPGs where the player be nice to a certain character throughout the game just to be rewarded with softcore pornography. It's dumb and it adds nothing to the overall story. Nor does it add anything to the character that the player is trying to romance. Romances in games are pointless. Most of the time when the romance portion is over, the player is rewarded with an achievement and nothing persist after the awkwardly animated sex scene. And other times the character don't even remember the romance; not even bringing the topic up in dialogue anymore. I say get rid of them from games entirely, or at the very least stop making achievements for doing them. I don't want to earn them, but I would like to platinum my games. The thing is, romances can be, and sometimes are, much better than that. The problem is when there are so many demands made on romances, they end up getting so watered down they end up being little more than hookups. So many resources get sunk into broadening them that what we get ends up quite shallow. "Hit heart icon to score", "Do fetch quest for sexitimes." I won't say get rid of them. I would say reduce their scope. I'd take fewer, more meaningful dialogues and a new combat bark over a silly fetch quest that leads to a mocapped sex scene right before fighting the Big Bad. Heck Bioware even called those lines "lovetalks" back in the day. So far I haven't seen any game that have "meaningful" romances. They all are the same; pick the dialogue best suited for the individual NPC for a few conversations, then get a short scene of the PC and NPC rubbing against each other like lifeless barbie dolls. You are also so right about the demands. That is dumb also, and is another reason to just leave them out of games. Everyone must have representation, and if someone is left out of the mix the game becomes whatever-phobic. I say leave them out totally, It's just less hassle and developers can stop being attacked. They add nothing so nothing is lost.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Sept 21, 2019 1:57:32 GMT
So far I haven't seen any game that have "meaningful" romances. "Meaningful" is in the eye of the beholder.
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Post by melbella on Sept 21, 2019 2:02:55 GMT
Heck romancing Cora in MEA, I wondered if I accidentally friendzoned myself there was so little chemistry going on.
It's not Cora's romance but rather how the game is structured to only allow the relationship to advance as certain main story points are reached. I had the same experience in my first game romancing Vetra. I had avoided as much info pre-release as I could so at about halfway through the game I was beginning to think she wasn't even romanceable by Scott. Took till my third PT before I really got a good feel for when to do what and stuff like that seemed to flow much better.
As for friend-zoning, that was my experience when I finally got around to romancing Liara. In ME3 I saw little if any difference in content with an imported/faithful romance and regular friendship path. It was most underwhelming and disappointing, especially considering how so many seem to rave about how great it is.
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Post by 10k on Sept 21, 2019 2:06:35 GMT
So far I haven't seen any game that have "meaningful" romances. "Meaningful" is in the eye of the beholder. Like I said, they add nothing. Nothing but softcore awkward digital pornography. But opinions are like belly buttons, and you are right. I'd truly would be happy if they would just stop adding achievements for them. You can keep your romances.
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Post by Gwydden on Sept 21, 2019 2:50:41 GMT
Like I said, they add nothing. Nothing but softcore awkward digital pornography. But opinions are like belly buttons, and you are right. I'd truly would be happy if they would just stop adding achievements for them. You can keep your romances. I must admit, there's something mildly amusing about someone obsessed with achievements complaining that romances are not "meaningful."
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Post by 10k on Sept 21, 2019 3:04:09 GMT
Like I said, they add nothing. Nothing but softcore awkward digital pornography. But opinions are like belly buttons, and you are right. I'd truly would be happy if they would just stop adding achievements for them. You can keep your romances. I must admit, there's something mildly amusing about someone obsessed with achievements complaining that romances are not "meaningful." Well they don't add anything. Achievements at least give you the sense of accomplishment. But I'm glad I amuse you. Also I'm not obsessed. I would rather not have to do romances just to complete my games.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Sept 21, 2019 3:16:52 GMT
I must admit, there's something mildly amusing about someone obsessed with achievements complaining that romances are not "meaningful." Well they don't add anything. Achievements at least give you the sense of accomplishment. But I'm glad I amuse you. Also I'm not obsessed. I would rather not have to do romances just to complete my games. Debating what's 'meaningful' is an endless rabbit hole from which nothing useful can be gleaned, but don't most 'Achievements' get rewarded just in the course of normal play? 'Complete Act 1', 'kill 100 bunnies', that sort of thing?
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Post by 10k on Sept 21, 2019 3:32:50 GMT
Well they don't add anything. Achievements at least give you the sense of accomplishment. But I'm glad I amuse you. Also I'm not obsessed. I would rather not have to do romances just to complete my games. Debating what's 'meaningful' is an endless rabbit hole from which nothing useful can be gleaned, but don't most 'Achievements' get rewarded just in the course of normal play? 'Complete Act 1', 'kill 100 bunnies', that sort of thing? Yes and those "complete act 1" achievements are dealing with the overall story, which romances do not. And those "Kill 100 bunnies" type achievements are challenged base, which again romances are not. No matter how you slice it they're a cheap ploy to make you care about characters. Like I said all I ask is for there to be no more achievements for them, so I don't have to do them to complete my games.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Sept 21, 2019 3:36:33 GMT
Debating what's 'meaningful' is an endless rabbit hole from which nothing useful can be gleaned, but don't most 'Achievements' get rewarded just in the course of normal play? 'Complete Act 1', 'kill 100 bunnies', that sort of thing? Yes and those "complete act 1" achievements are dealing with the overall story, which romances do not. And those "Kill 100 bunnies" type achievements are challenged base, which again romances are not. No matter how you slice it they're a cheap ploy to make you care about characters. Like I said all I ask is for there to be no more achievements for them, so I don't have to do them to complete my games. So you don't care about characters? What if the acheivement was just "Talk to party member X until they run out of dialogue"? Would that be fine, as long as none of it was romance? What about an acheivement for 'friendship levels' or some other non-romantic metric?
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Post by 10k on Sept 21, 2019 3:43:08 GMT
Yes and those "complete act 1" achievements are dealing with the overall story, which romances do not. And those "Kill 100 bunnies" type achievements are challenged base, which again romances are not. No matter how you slice it they're a cheap ploy to make you care about characters. Like I said all I ask is for there to be no more achievements for them, so I don't have to do them to complete my games. So you don't care about characters? No I don't care about romances, because they add nothing to characters. Character motivations is what matter, as well as character personality. Rather or not a character will have sex with the PC, because of certain dialogue options don't matter to me at all. Edit: Jack was a great character because of her background, her history with cerberus, her raw biotic power, her anger and her frustration with everything. It wasn't her romance that made her great.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Sept 21, 2019 3:54:13 GMT
So you don't care about characters? No I don't care about romances, because they add nothing to characters. Character motivations is what matter, as well as character personality. Rather or not a character will have sex with the PC, because of certain dialogue options don't matter to me at all. Edit: Jack was a great character because of her background, her history with cerberus, her raw biotic power, her anger and her frustration with everything. It wasn't her romance that made her great. Yeah, okay, whatever. What I'm interested in is why you want acheivements for things you don't actually wanna do. I skip content in games if I find that content boring or not fun, and even though I enjoy romance content, I do not romance every character.
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Post by 10k on Sept 21, 2019 4:06:13 GMT
No I don't care about romances, because they add nothing to characters. Character motivations is what matter, as well as character personality. Rather or not a character will have sex with the PC, because of certain dialogue options don't matter to me at all. Edit: Jack was a great character because of her background, her history with cerberus, her raw biotic power, her anger and her frustration with everything. It wasn't her romance that made her great. Yeah, okay, whatever. What I'm interested in is why you want acheivements for things you don't actually wanna do. I skip content in games if I find that content boring or not fun, and even though I enjoy romance content, I do not romance every character. To complete my games. That's why. I don't want to do them, but in order to platinum most of my RPGs, I have no choice. You probably don't care about achievements but I do. I play games on the hardest difficulties just for damn achievements. Everyone has different reasons why they play games. and collecting achievements is one of mine. I just bought Greedfall, and it's crazy that I have to romance 4 different characters just to platinum my game. They are not challenge based, nor are they story based achievements, plus they add absolutely nothing.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Sept 21, 2019 4:18:10 GMT
No I don't care about romances, because they add nothing to characters. Character motivations is what matter, as well as character personality. Rather or not a character will have sex with the PC, because of certain dialogue options don't matter to me at all. There are romances that don't involve sex, you know. There is no sex with Josephine and Solas, and Dorian has it as optional. And yes, they do add things to the characters because on some occasions you get to see a side of them that you don't see otherwise. This is certainly the case with characters that are more emotionally closed off, like Isabela, Fenris, and Dorian (I can't speak to some of the other characters with issues as I haven't done their romances.)
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Post by melbella on Sept 21, 2019 4:24:00 GMT
I play games on the hardest difficulties just for damn achievements It sounds like you would be doing things you don't want to do just for achievements regardless of whether romances were present or not? I know I sided with the Templars in DA2 only for the achievement. I ended up hating that Hawke.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 21, 2019 4:35:14 GMT
The thing is, romances can be, and sometimes are, much better than that. The problem is when there are so many demands made on romances, they end up getting so watered down they end up being little more than hookups. So many resources get sunk into broadening them that what we get ends up quite shallow. "Hit heart icon to score", "Do fetch quest for sexitimes." I won't say get rid of them. I would say reduce their scope. I'd take fewer, more meaningful dialogues and a new combat bark over a silly fetch quest that leads to a mocapped sex scene right before fighting the Big Bad. Heck Bioware even called those lines "lovetalks" back in the day. So far I haven't seen any game that have "meaningful" romances. They all are the same; pick the dialogue best suited for the individual NPC for a few conversations, then get a short scene of the PC and NPC rubbing against each other like lifeless barbie dolls. You are also so right about the demands. That is dumb also, and is another reason to just leave them out of games. Everyone must have representation, and if someone is left out of the mix the game becomes whatever-phobic. I say leave them out totally, It's just less hassle and developers can stop being attacked. They add nothing so nothing is lost. It adds roleplay, and character development (if done well) Though yes, awkward rubbing is a waste of resources, imo. Sooner or later, we'll get complains about what sexual positions are used and DEMANDS for different ones...
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Post by pessimistpanda on Sept 21, 2019 4:36:32 GMT
Yeah, okay, whatever. What I'm interested in is why you want acheivements for things you don't actually wanna do. I skip content in games if I find that content boring or not fun, and even though I enjoy romance content, I do not romance every character. To complete my games. That's why. I don't want to do them, but in order to platinum most of my RPGs, I have no choice. You probably don't care about achievements but I do. I play games on the hardest difficulties just for damn achievements. Everyone has different reasons why they play games. and collecting achievements is one of mine. I just bought Greedfall, and it's crazy that I have to romance 4 different characters just to platinum my game. They are not challenge based, nor are they story based achievements, plus they add absolutely nothing. Okay. So, when a game doesn't have any acheivements, how do you decide when it's complete? Or do you avoid games that don't have that feature? What do you do if an acheivement involves being, say, the top scorer in a multiplayer mode, something you might potentially never acheive?
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Post by 10k on Sept 21, 2019 4:37:38 GMT
No I don't care about romances, because they add nothing to characters. Character motivations is what matter, as well as character personality. Rather or not a character will have sex with the PC, because of certain dialogue options don't matter to me at all. There are romances that don't involve sex, you know. There is no sex with Josephine and Solas, and Dorian has it as optional. And yes, they do add things to the characters because on some occasions you get to see a side of them that you don't see otherwise. This is certainly the case with characters that are more emotionally closed off, like Isabela, Fenris, and Dorian (I can't speak to some of the other characters with issues as I haven't done their romances.) Sex no sex, it's all the same to me. As a see it they're just corny. I don't believe you see another side to these character, because you basically see the same thing if you speak with them a lot. Only thing different is their romance dialogue, because you go down their romance path. I still think romances add nothing, because all these characters would be the same without them. Dorian would still be the same lovable witty mage without his romance and it's evident, because you still learn about his past even without romancing him. Romances are there mostly for gamer fantasies, let's be real. They're just shallow, cheap emotional ploys.
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