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Post by Kappa Neko on Sept 21, 2019 7:42:53 GMT
I don't want the Frankenstein's monster that is current Bioware to touch Shepard or any of the characters I still love so much! While this would get people excited, no doubt, I'd bet all my savings that this game would SUCK just the same. Bioware is dead. EA made sure of it. DA4 will be a total GaaS disaster too. I'm not sure why EA's to blame. The economic factors driving AAA titles to GaaS would still be there for an independent Bio. And anyone who was here for NWN knows that Bio was pro-MP years before EA came along, very much to the detriment of that game's SP mode. And a company which was maybe second or third into the paid DLC space isn't exactly likely to take a strong, principled stand against microtransactions. Name me an indie RPG studio that follows the corporate AAA GaaS scheme. I haven't played one yet. Indie and AA games seem to be doing just fine without that crap. And by "fine" I mean one game away from bankruptcy as any videogame studio always is apparently that hasn't sold their souls to big publishers. It's AAA publishers who are pushing this crap big time, Nintendo included now, even though EA could survive on FIFA alone probably. They don't need to push MTX on EVERY one of their games. Hell, these things would actually make more sense for small developers who could really need the money. But oddly they don't do that. I guess because they still have an ounce of respect for their customers. Bioware is EA's bitch. Anthem is GaaS because EA said so. I'm not talking DLC and MP lootboxes. I am well aware that ME3MP was among the first to show how much money can be made that way, ironically. But those lootboxes were harmless compared to how the consumer is being asked to shell out extra money for every little thing on top of an unfinished product now. That's insulting. Drip feeding people stuff has no place in AAA gaming. That's mobile tactics. The Schreier article makes it pretty clear that Bioware feels the pressure to fit into EA's predatory game design and they wonder how singleplayer games even fit into that. And that's the point, they don't! So those among Bioware staff who want job security are now trying to turn the studio into a AAA casino studio. And if they keep failing they'll most likely be shut down. And they know it. Bioware has huge creative and management issues, yes. But apparently their development cycles have always been messy. They clearly struggle with Frostbite, that's when games stopped just magically coming together, so that's on EA to start with. Plus no Frostbite support for Bioware in favor of bigger cash cows. On top of that imo a lot of the creative crisis has to do with EA breathing down their necks pushing them into a direction they can't handle, it seems.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 21, 2019 11:24:01 GMT
I'm 100% sure that will not just do canon destruction ending, whatever they do. It goes against everything, sorry. It threatens a bigger marketing disaster than ME3 ending I don't think so. We've already had that argument. All they have to say is that "it's not canon".
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 21, 2019 12:37:53 GMT
www.ea.com/games/anthem/actsSo are we getting the acts? If you guys said we weren't getting the acts, maybe remove them from your official site, or else you might get sued for false advertising?
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Post by correctamundo on Sept 21, 2019 15:21:27 GMT
www.ea.com/games/anthem/actsSo are we getting the acts? If you guys said we weren't getting the acts, maybe remove them from your official site, or else you might get sued for false advertising? Go ahead. Make my day.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 21, 2019 15:52:44 GMT
I'm just saying Bioware should at least fix its site for Anthem. And it's not that hard work. I'd be happy to do it for them. It's literally 30 seconds worth of work.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Sept 21, 2019 20:41:18 GMT
www.ea.com/games/anthem/actsSo are we getting the acts? If you guys said we weren't getting the acts, maybe remove them from your official site, or else you might get sued for false advertising? Go ahead. Make my day.
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Post by xrayspex73 on Sept 22, 2019 3:40:54 GMT
www.ea.com/games/anthem/actsSo are we getting the acts? If you guys said we weren't getting the acts, maybe remove them from your official site, or else you might get sued for false advertising?
Wow. The content listed under "Currently In Anthem" is positively anemic. That is a pitiful state considering how long the game has been out. They have to list "Fixes Improvements and Optimizations" as a feature.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Sept 22, 2019 18:48:19 GMT
I like Bioware, I like the games they produce (DA ME, KOTOR I and II BG and yes even ANTHEM), but what concerns me is that they announce all this amazing stuff.....and sure, due to financial constraints, time constraints or whatever-- it's always expected that some material won't make it into the game, just like movies....Trailers often show (or at least they used to) material based on a first draft....material that was shot but ultimately went unused, ended up on the cutting room floor or was maybe reworked. I get that. But what I don't get....what concerns me is how they announce all this great stuff- get everyone hyped- and then just completely axe it and/or don't follow through.... "Just Because".....And overall it is really apparent that what could have been a great movie, or game or 'product' is underwhelming and simply doesn't deliver nor stand-up to what people were TOLD they could expect over time, because as time passes....they seem to be cutting more and more stuff.
I mean, the 90 Day Road Map and the ACTS structure is a great example. They laid out for us everything they planned and everything we could absolutely expect to see over a 90 day period (and yes, understandably that included *bugs and kinks, QOL Improvements, Fixes and the like), but the major pieces were definitely played-up: The Cataclysm for one, More Story (to further tell the story where they left off) and lots of other great things which we all are/were excited about and looking forward to. YET, what they deliver is an announcement that they are abandoning the ACTS structure....with no word on whether or no the Story will continue and thus far, aside from the promised Cataclysm World Event (which is as they said it would be) all we have gotten are a host of various Fixes, Patches, QOL stuff....and from what I can see that is all they are intent on releasing until who knows when.....
Again don't get me wrong, I enjoy ANTHEM....I enjoy most everything about the game just as it is. All I'm saying is I wish they would focus a little more on quality content (missions, story, character, customization, new loot etc) over 10000 minor fixes (such as 'improved weapon damage' and other stats or what have you). The fixes can come over time, but it doesn't need to be the main focus.
It's for these reasons that Bioware as a company, while I still enjoy their games.... they're beginning to fall short and I can now understand why a great many people and faithful followers of BIOWARE have begun to lose faith in the company.
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Post by PillarBiter on Sept 23, 2019 6:41:26 GMT
I like Bioware, I like the games they produce (DA ME, BG and yes even ANTHEM), but what concerns me is that they announce all this amazing stuff.....and sure, due to financial constraints, time constraints or whatever-- it's always expected that some material won't make it into the game, just like movies....Trailers often show (or at least they used to) material based on a first draft....material that was shot but ultimately went unused, ended up on the cutting room floor or was maybe reworked. I get that. But what I don't get....what concerns me is how they announce all this great stuff- get everyone hyped- and then just completely axe it and/or don't follow through.... "Just Because".....And overall it is really apparent that what could have been a great movie, or game or 'product' is underwhelming and simply doesn't deliver nor stand-up to what people were TOLD they could expect over time, because as time passes....they seem to be cutting more and more stuff. I mean, the 90 Day Road Map and the ACTS structure is a great example. They laid out for us everything they planned and everything we could absolutely expect to see over a 90 day period (and yes, understandably that included *bugs and kinks, QOL Improvements, Fixes and the like), but the major pieces were definitely played-up: The Cataclysm for one, More Story (to further tell the story where they left off) and lots of other great things which we all are/were excited about and looking forward to. YET, what they deliver is an announcement that they are abandoning the ACTS structure....with no word on whether or no the Story will continue and thus far, aside from the promised Cataclysm World Event (which is as they said it would be) all we have gotten are a host of various Fixes, Patches, QOL stuff....and from what I can see that is all they are intent on releasing until who knows when..... Again don't get me wrong, I enjoy ANTHEM....I enjoy most everything about the game just as it is. All I'm saying is I wish they would focus a little more on quality content (missions, story, character, customization, new loot etc) over 10000 minor fixes (such as 'improved weapon damage' and other stats or what have you). The fixes can come over time, but it doesn't need to be the main focus. It's for these reasons that Bioware as a company, while I still enjoy their games.... they're beginning to fall short and I can now understand why a great many people and faithful followers of BIOWARE have begun to lose faith in the company. I feel pretty much the same way. Bioware, as a company, is a closed story for me. I'll never trust anythign they say again, and by god I won't buy on release anymore (while before it was a no-brainer). However, I enjoy playign anthem. So, as long as I feel that way, I'll sure stick by it (but I'd be dead before I do any microtransaction bs: You already got my money from the lego edition).
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Sept 23, 2019 23:37:19 GMT
I like Bioware, I like the games they produce (DA ME, BG and yes even ANTHEM), but what concerns me is that they announce all this amazing stuff.....and sure, due to financial constraints, time constraints or whatever-- it's always expected that some material won't make it into the game, just like movies....Trailers often show (or at least they used to) material based on a first draft....material that was shot but ultimately went unused, ended up on the cutting room floor or was maybe reworked. I get that. But what I don't get....what concerns me is how they announce all this great stuff- get everyone hyped- and then just completely axe it and/or don't follow through.... "Just Because".....And overall it is really apparent that what could have been a great movie, or game or 'product' is underwhelming and simply doesn't deliver nor stand-up to what people were TOLD they could expect over time, because as time passes....they seem to be cutting more and more stuff. I mean, the 90 Day Road Map and the ACTS structure is a great example. They laid out for us everything they planned and everything we could absolutely expect to see over a 90 day period (and yes, understandably that included *bugs and kinks, QOL Improvements, Fixes and the like), but the major pieces were definitely played-up: The Cataclysm for one, More Story (to further tell the story where they left off) and lots of other great things which we all are/were excited about and looking forward to. YET, what they deliver is an announcement that they are abandoning the ACTS structure....with no word on whether or no the Story will continue and thus far, aside from the promised Cataclysm World Event (which is as they said it would be) all we have gotten are a host of various Fixes, Patches, QOL stuff....and from what I can see that is all they are intent on releasing until who knows when..... Again don't get me wrong, I enjoy ANTHEM....I enjoy most everything about the game just as it is. All I'm saying is I wish they would focus a little more on quality content (missions, story, character, customization, new loot etc) over 10000 minor fixes (such as 'improved weapon damage' and other stats or what have you). The fixes can come over time, but it doesn't need to be the main focus. It's for these reasons that Bioware as a company, while I still enjoy their games.... they're beginning to fall short and I can now understand why a great many people and faithful followers of BIOWARE have begun to lose faith in the company. I feel pretty much the same way. Bioware, as a company, is a closed story for me. I'll never trust anythign they say again, and by god I won't buy on release anymore (while before it was a no-brainer). However, I enjoy playign anthem. So, as long as I feel that way, I'll sure stick by it (but I'd be dead before I do any microtransaction bs: You already got my money from the lego edition). You're right. I absolutely, categorically refuse to get involved in the whole "Loot Box/Micro transaction" stuff. *Open this secret chest to find a mystery (read worthless) item inside that you NEED and MUST HAVE to play and enjoy this game......OH! Did we forget to tell you? It will be an additional 20.00 dollars. And we will only accept your credit card number.* I've already paid 100 dollars CDN for the "Collector's Edition" (or whatever the makers choose to call the version of their game that offers more than just the 'basic game' with nothing else) tell me why I need to spend MORE money via Credit Card on little incidental items that are basically worthless as far as the playability factor of the game is concerned? (Just so you can get even more money out of me???? Yeah, NO.) TOMB Raider had those kinds of things and once I found out what they were, I knew how to recognize them in-game and I stayed well away from them. I don't agree with that kind of transaction or why that has to be in any game for the sake of the game....(clearly it is a veiled attempted at money-grabbing) and I can't abide such practices.
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Post by coldsteelblue on Sept 24, 2019 9:42:12 GMT
I feel pretty much the same way. Bioware, as a company, is a closed story for me. I'll never trust anythign they say again, and by god I won't buy on release anymore (while before it was a no-brainer). However, I enjoy playign anthem. So, as long as I feel that way, I'll sure stick by it (but I'd be dead before I do any microtransaction bs: You already got my money from the lego edition). You're right. I absolutely, categorically refuse to get involved in the whole "Loot Box/Micro transaction" stuff. *Open this secret chest to find a mystery (read worthless) item inside that you NEED and MUST HAVE to play and enjoy this game......OH! Did we forget to tell you? It will be an additional 20.00 dollars. And we will only accept your credit card number.* I've already paid 100 dollars CDN for the "Collector's Edition" (or whatever the makers choose to call the version of their game that offers more than just the 'basic game' with nothing else) tell me why I need to spend MORE money via Credit Card on little incidental items that are basically worthless as far as the playability factor of the game is concerned? (Just so you can get even more money out of me???? Yeah, NO.) TOMB Raider had those kinds of things and once I found out what they were, I knew how to recognize them in-game and I stayed well away from them. I don't agree with that kind of transaction or why that has to be in any game for the sake of the game....(clearly it is a veiled attempted at money-grabbing) and I can't abide such practices.
Things is, recent activity shows that with the right marketing & sticking to what the playerbas want, you can sell a buttload of copies in no time, example, Borderlands 3, a game with no MTX & complete offline single player campaing sold 5M copies in 5 days. The only additional payment you can choose to make for this game is for the season pass for 4 dlc's , the first arrives in December, with 2 free dlc's before...learn something from this EA.
Article linked below.
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Post by PillarBiter on Sept 24, 2019 10:27:31 GMT
You're right. I absolutely, categorically refuse to get involved in the whole "Loot Box/Micro transaction" stuff. *Open this secret chest to find a mystery (read worthless) item inside that you NEED and MUST HAVE to play and enjoy this game......OH! Did we forget to tell you? It will be an additional 20.00 dollars. And we will only accept your credit card number.* I've already paid 100 dollars CDN for the "Collector's Edition" (or whatever the makers choose to call the version of their game that offers more than just the 'basic game' with nothing else) tell me why I need to spend MORE money via Credit Card on little incidental items that are basically worthless as far as the playability factor of the game is concerned? (Just so you can get even more money out of me???? Yeah, NO.) TOMB Raider had those kinds of things and once I found out what they were, I knew how to recognize them in-game and I stayed well away from them. I don't agree with that kind of transaction or why that has to be in any game for the sake of the game....(clearly it is a veiled attempted at money-grabbing) and I can't abide such practices.
Things is, recent activity shows that with the right marketing & sticking to what the playerbas want, you can sell a buttload of copies in no time, example, Borderlands 3, a game with no MTX & complete offline single player campaing sold 5M copies in 5 days. The only additional payment you can choose to make for this game is for the season pass for 4 dlc's , the first arrives in December, with 2 free dlc's before...learn something from this EA.
Article linked below.
Wait. You mean publishing a full, working, customer firendly game pays off? Who'd-a thunk?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 24, 2019 11:37:04 GMT
I've already paid 100 dollars CDN for the "Collector's Edition" Impossible. I blew those suckers up in ME2! Wait. You mean publishing a full, working, customer firendly game pays off? I wouldn't call Borderlands 3 exactly "working", but sure, let's go with that.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Sept 24, 2019 11:39:03 GMT
Things is, recent activity shows that with the right marketing & sticking to what the playerbas want, you can sell a buttload of copies in no time, example, Borderlands 3, a game with no MTX & complete offline single player campaing sold 5M copies in 5 days. The only additional payment you can choose to make for this game is for the season pass for 4 dlc's , the first arrives in December, with 2 free dlc's before...learn something from this EA.
Article linked below.
Wait. You mean publishing a full, working, customer firendly game pays off? Who'd-a thunk? Now, see, that's Gaming the way it used to be. Proper Single Player. Off-line; play by yourself, whenever you want for as long as you want- not worrying about Server interruptions or the hassle of being bothered by other random players you don't know jumping into your game and acting weirdly, thereby ruining your enjoyment ( afew players of ANTHEM have said that happens, when they are trying to solo certain arenas, and I understand why they are upset and put off). Nowadays, MP is forced upon us (in the form of Online MMO or even in games that are meant to be Single player, but they arbitrarily tacked on MP just because they could, and soon enough that becomes what the game is all about-- because WTF not?) and so you are forced into playing MP sessions-- TITANFALL comes to mind. or even HALO.) I've never understood games that by the premise and what you see on the screen in terms of gameplay, they look as though they were meant to be Single Player-- and something about them tells you that they would have made a better SP game....But for some strange reason, you're playing MP/MMO style gameplay, and it doesn't look like it fits at all. (Now, this is only my opinion....please don't jump all over me). But then you take a game like SWTOR or ANTHEM that has Co-Op MP gameplay built into it, it was designed to play this way....and that game style is suddenly now, actually fun and it makes sense. This is fine, this is good. But still, I miss games like the original DARK FORCES and Jedi Knight series by LucasArts, games that were properly designed Single Player, meant to be played alone. Yes, I know the JEDI KNIGHT series had an element of PVP in it, but that was absolutely, completely optional. You did not have to participate in that ever....unless you wanted to. I played all the Dark Forces series of games for nearly 15 years and only once did I engage in the PVP element with a neighbour friend across the street. It was really cool at first, something new and different and knowing that he was right across the street from me, yet we were playing a game together, was kinda cool. But the novelty only lasted a few minutes and I quickly became disinterested. Flash FWD some 25 years and I really don't mind the Online GAAS model, infact, I kinda like it. But I miss being able to play a true SP game...OFFLINE. Load it up, play when you want, stop when you want. I think more games should be made this way. Or at least give people the choice....after all they are spending their money to buy this game/product, supporting the company. It's now their game, they own it and should have the choice of how and when they want to play.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 24, 2019 11:58:24 GMT
Nowadays, MP is forced upon us EA and Bioware are only following the road that was paved by ME3. For everything that is happening today, we promoted it back in the day. It's 100% our fault that we're here. But then you take a game like SWTOR or ANTHEM that has Co-Op MP gameplay built into it, it was designed to play this way....and that game style is suddenly now, actually fun and it makes sense. This is fine, this is good But why would you have Bioware, of all studios, make them? SW:ToR has no business being a MMO and Anthem is barely recognizable as a Bioware game. If at all. But still, I miss games like the original DARK FORCES and Jedi Knight series by LucasArts, games that were properly designed Single Player, meant to be played alone I have to, again, note that we voted these games out. From the XBOX 360/PS3 era, we slowly, but steadily, voted these games out in favour of MP games. Especially through CoD. Flash FWD some 25 years and I really don't mind the Online GAAS model, infact, I kinda like it That depends on its intrusiveness. AC: Odyssey did it right, in my opinion, but Anthem? Not even close. I think more games should be made this way. Or at least give people the choice....after all they are spending their money to buy this game/product, supporting the company. It's now their game, they own it and should have the choice of how and when they want to play. Companies no longer want you to own games, which is why you don't. Not with new games. Now, you are given a license to play them and you have no saying in what happens to the product itself. If, at any point, a company chooses to shut down a game, you can no longer have access to it, through the always online "Live Service" model. It's only "Live" until the publisher decides to kill it. And for some games, that is faster rather than later.
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Post by tatann on Sept 24, 2019 12:06:40 GMT
Nowadays, MP is forced upon us EA and Bioware are only following the road that was paved by ME3. For everything that is happening today, we promoted it back in the day. It's 100% our fault that we're here. But then you take a game like SWTOR or ANTHEM that has Co-Op MP gameplay built into it, it was designed to play this way....and that game style is suddenly now, actually fun and it makes sense. This is fine, this is good But why would you have Bioware, of all studios, make them? SW:ToR has no business being a MMO and Anthem is barely recognizable as a Bioware game. If at all. But still, I miss games like the original DARK FORCES and Jedi Knight series by LucasArts, games that were properly designed Single Player, meant to be played alone I have to, again, note that we voted these games out. From the XBOX 360/PS3 era, we slowly, but steadily, voted these games out in favour of MP games. Especially through CoD. Flash FWD some 25 years and I really don't mind the Online GAAS model, infact, I kinda like it That depends on its intrusiveness. AC: Odyssey did it right, in my opinion, but Anthem? Not even close. I think more games should be made this way. Or at least give people the choice....after all they are spending their money to buy this game/product, supporting the company. It's now their game, they own it and should have the choice of how and when they want to play. Companies no longer want you to own games, which is why you don't. Not with new games. Now, you are given a license to play them and you have no saying in what happens to the product itself. If, at any point, a company chooses to shut down a game, you can no longer have access to it, through the always online "Live Service" model. It's only "Live" until the publisher decides to kill it. And for some games, that is faster rather than later. Sorry but the fault relies on the people who paid hundreds/thousands of dollars in MTX in ME3MP, not the players who simply played the game they paid for
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 24, 2019 12:09:33 GMT
Sorry but the fault relies on the people who paid hundreds/thousands of dollars in MTX in ME3MP, not the players who simply played the game they paid for Yes, it does. The data showed blatantly that all the community cared about, in the end, was the MP. The MTX was just the cherry on top. Which is why EA vowed not to make SP games anymore, because of player retention, lasting engagement and furthermore the recurrent player spending.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Sept 24, 2019 12:12:55 GMT
Sorry but the fault relies on the people who paid hundreds/thousands of dollars in MTX in ME3MP, not the players who simply played the game they paid for Yes, it does. The data showed blatantly that all the community cared about, in the end, was the MP. The MTX was just the cherry on top. Which is why EA vowed not to make SP games anymore, because of player retention, lasting engagement and furthermore the recurrent player spending. I think they were already heading that way.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 24, 2019 12:19:44 GMT
I think they were already heading that way. We didn't dissuade them one bit, though. If anything, we spurred them on by our own behaviour, we showed them the way, we paved it.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Sept 24, 2019 12:21:57 GMT
I think they were already heading that way. We didn't dissuade them one bit, though. If anything, we spurred them on by our own behaviour, we showed them the way, we paved it. Some of you did. I only played sp. But yeah you are right, the mp was embraced and encouraged them to make the horrific daimp.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 24, 2019 12:32:57 GMT
But yeah you are right, the np was embraced and encouraged them to make the horrific daimp. Hopefully, DA:I MP's, ME:A MP's and Anthem's player engagement and retention will dissuade them from moving more toward MP in the future. But I doubt it. And Jedi Faller Order won't help our case. That game is coming out dead out the gates, is what I see. It's getting as much promotion as Rage 2 and Wolfenstein: Youngblood. Nobody believes in it, internally, to market it in any way. And it's just 40-50 days away. There's no talk of this game. I sure as hell am not holding my breath for it.
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Post by PillarBiter on Sept 24, 2019 12:34:23 GMT
But yeah you are right, the np was embraced and encouraged them to make the horrific daimp. Hopefully, DA:I MP's, ME:A MP's and Anthem's player engagement and retention will dissuade them from moving more toward MP in the future. But I doubt it. And Jedi Faller Order won't help our case. That game is coming out dead out the gates, is what I see. It's getting as much promotion as Rage 2 and Wolfenstein: Youngblood. Nobody believes in it, internally, to market it in any way. And it's just 40-50 days away. There's no talk of this game. I sure as hell am not holding my breath for it. Only one thing matters: if they believe they can make more money with SP games, they'll do that. Regardless of "player retention". If not, well, then it's MP4U
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 24, 2019 13:02:05 GMT
Only one thing matters: if they believe they can make more money with SP games, they'll do that. Regardless of "player retention". If not, well, then it's MP4U MP sells MTX. That's EA's bottom line, the golden goose. They won't stop pushing for FIFA MTX style monetization to their core games and they will milk us for everything we got, first chance they get. EA doesn't care about fanbases, even ones that would promote their games for free, they would sacrifice it all for a MTX model that nets them FIFA MTX money for each game release.
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Post by shinobiwan on Sept 24, 2019 13:41:32 GMT
I wouldn't call Borderlands 3 exactly "working", but sure, let's go with that. Give me a break, there’s no credible claim BL3 isn’t “working.” On vanilla PS4, the menus are a little sluggish (I’ve dealt with worse, not including Anthem) and once in a while there’s some slowdown. There are also complaints that the game isn’t running as optimally as it should on certain high-end rigs. Sure, there are performance issues to iron out, but this isn’t an Anthem situation where the game is actually not “working” for a significant portion of the playerbase. Let’s save the outrage for games that actually deserve it, and also make sure it’s based in accurate facts. Thanks.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 24, 2019 13:51:58 GMT
I wouldn't call Borderlands 3 exactly "working", but sure, let's go with that. Give me a break, there’s no credible claim BL3 isn’t “working.” On vanilla PS4, the menus are a little sluggish (I’ve dealt with worse, not including Anthem) and once in a while there’s some slowdown. There are also complaints that the game isn’t running as optimally as it should on certain high-end rigs. Sure, there are performance issues to iron out, but this isn’t an Anthem situation where the game is actually not “working” for a significant portion of the playerbase. Let’s save the outrage for games that actually deserve it, and also make sure it’s based in accurate facts. Thanks. BL3 may be in a better state than even current day Anthem, but it still has loads of performance issues, as you noted. I still think it is egregious to launch in such a state and that "at least it isn't Anthem", for me, is not an excuse. But also unlike Anthem, it has stuff to do.
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