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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 12, 2020 21:41:54 GMT
Just randomly I discovered today there was actually a real 'sea peoples' that were lost to history... www.history.com/news/who-were-the-sea-peoplesMaybe the executors are based on this idea? They sound so intriguing and mysterious. There were multiple "sea peoples" during what's called the Bronze Age Collapse.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Oct 15, 2020 22:14:49 GMT
The Andrastian locket may have just been part of the agent’s disguise. You know, to blend in with the Theodosians. It does seem odd though. How many Theodosians bother with wearing an Andrastrian locket? Unless they were trying to pass themselves off as a Chantry priestess or some such but what would be the point? I agree that kissing the locket could just be because they held the poison in it but as Dadi suggests why not simply kiss a non-identified locket or just say they took poison. Actually identifying the locket does seem an unnecessary detail if it wasn't relevant in some way. Right, and the way they have been operating through the ages (interestingly waiting for current days to come), boasting about greater powers, somehow knowing that more trouble would come after Cory (did they know that the orb would inevitably be destroyed?) leads me to believe they're acting as chess pieces for said "greater powers" - and Thedas is their chessboard. Archdemons, Andraste, and Flemeth herself have also acted as chess pieces. Could it be the sentience behind the The Blight (using Archdemons, darkspawn, etc.) vs. Mythal (Andraste, Flemeth, The Executors) as the this game of chess? Perhaps the Executors are her servants as well, just like The Sentinels. In any case, I'm in tinfoil theory now, but my point is that they have a plan for Thedas, just like Mythal, and those plans could possibly be the same.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Oct 17, 2020 14:24:02 GMT
They may even have the same purpose as Solas - to bring down the veil - but they know that whatever his plan is will f*ck everything up. The king of "well this didn't go as planned" has yet another plan and The Executors are not having it lol. As they should.
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Post by necrowaif on Oct 17, 2020 16:43:29 GMT
Hey, there’s a discussion thread over at Reddit about “Murder by Death Mages,” and one theme that’s emerging is that nobody liked it and Sidony really sucks.
I can’t recall anyone commenting on Murder by Death Mages in this thread, so ... any thoughts?
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 17, 2020 18:07:32 GMT
one theme that’s emerging is that nobody liked it and Sidony really sucks. I'd pretty much go along with this. Murder by Death Mages was for me one of the less memorable stories and Sidony is someone I definitely wouldn't want to meet again in any significant capacity in DA4. I'd be really disappointed if she was the only one of the DAMP characters that was taken forward. She didn't sound a very appealing character from her biography in WoT2 and even less after the story in Tevinter Nights. Also, if we are going to Nevarra, I'd rather we saw the Grand Necroplis and the power play there rather than just a watered down version of the game among the Nevarran nobility. Mind you, since Sidony was trained by a Mortalitasi, we might still run into her there.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 17, 2020 18:21:32 GMT
Another thing I was wondering about was what order the stories should follow chronologically. It is clear they aren't in time order as set out in the book. For example, Murder by Death Mages was happening when the Inquisition was still in its original form, with Cassandra giving orders, Luck in the Gardens has the characters in Minrathous referring to the event in Vyrantium in the Wigmaker's Job, which comes after it in the book. In the comics Dorian was present at the fall of Ventus and somehow I don't see him back in Minrathous calming drinking and gambling whilst the eastern empire is in such turmoil. I very much doubt that Lucanis and his cousin would be able to take a ship back to Antiva once the Qunari assault had begun as the eastern seas would be swarming with Qunari dreadnoughts.
Of course the writers may not have given too much attention to chronological sense. They used Vaea in Herold Had the Plan even though she should already have been up in Tevinter by then because she was there when the assault began on Ventus, yet according to the story this was set sometime after the war had been underway.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Oct 17, 2020 19:16:42 GMT
I'm currently replaying DAI and just stumbled across a codex entry regarding The Blades of Hessarian: The body may die but the soul is ever-lasting. Andraste's human form was put to the sword and burned, but the fire only purified her and made her immortal. She was called to the Maker but saw with clear eyes that her work was not yet done. She went to Maferath's side, seeking an executor of her will, but saw the traitor for what he was. She went to Hessarian's side, but saw that Hessarian was not yet ready to give himself. And so she went to the lowly Alamarri slave Trefir, who served the Archon, and gave unto him the great Sword of Mercy with which her mortal life was ended. To him she said: "Take this sword and with it bring my judgment to the world." And Trefir took the sword, and became an instrument of Andraste's justice. That's some intresting wording there, no? I have to wonder if Andraste stopped at Trefir when trying to find an "executor" of her will....
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 18, 2020 8:13:07 GMT
I have to wonder if Andraste stopped at Trefir when trying to find an "executor" of her will.... As you have pointed out, the agent did have an Andrastrian locket. However, it could be more something to do with the an ancient human tradition perhaps. Instead of looking to blood relatives, you find like minded individuals to carry forward your purpose. Andraste gave a sword to Shartan with a commission to continue her work but sadly he died trying to rescue her. Andraste gave a sword to Trefir (an Alamaari slave in Tevinter) in a dream asking him to continue her work. The Maker/Andraste gave a vision to Gelgennig of the Ash Warriors (Alamaari) to continue her work among the tribes. Of course Drakon claimed to have had a vision too asking him to continue her work. With the exception of Shartan, all the others received their commission as a vision, so it is harder to verify if it was genuinely the spirit of Andraste or possibly just a faith spirit acting as an executor of her will. Interestingly, the great Alamaari warlord, Hafter, was said to have passed over the sea to the east at the end of his reign. Other ships that have sailed that way were said to have found an untouched land they named Amaranth, although more recent accounts have ships attempting the voyage never returning. As the account by Genetivi suggests, possibly the legend of an earthly paradise to the east is just wishful thinking but it could be the original home of the Qunari or, if not them, the home of the Executors, or even both. When the Kossith first arrived in Thedas it was to the south of Ferelden. That hardly seems a likely landfall if they came from the northern islands, although I suppose they could have been trying to avoid the Tevinter Imperium which covered much of Thedas at that time. However, what if they came from Amaranth? What if the original Neromenians did? One thing we have yet to discover is who or what Koslun was? Was he a kossith by race or something else entirely? He is said to have traveled the world searching for a society without hopelessness or despair and when he discovered no such place existed, he came up with his own philosophy. May be he was originally from the Executors and the Kossith just happened to be the first race he tried his philosophy on. The Executor in Tevinter Nights was hidden from sight behind a Veil and even their voice was difficult to pinpoint as either male or female. I don't think this was just done to conceal their identity but possibly because they don't look human. What if the Executors are the undead manifestations of dead heroes?
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Post by dawnold on Oct 19, 2020 3:24:49 GMT
Hello i finished reading ch.2, Down among the dead men by Feketekuty, and have a few questions but i'll only post the ones that i'm really confused about. I hope somebody can help clear these out. I'm on a google play book so pages may not be the same for you but i'll provide the number if it helps.
1. pg. 40. 'Manfred, a clean-boned skeleton, held up a bowl. Audric read something helpful in the cant of its skull...' My question: what did audric read on manfred's skull? I probably missed it but can't find anything.
2. pg. 58. '"The great leveler has no favorites." Emmrich smiled.' What/who is the great leveler? Is that another name for the maker?
That's all i got for now. Thank you very much for answers.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Oct 19, 2020 7:51:34 GMT
Hello i finished reading ch.2, Down among the dead men by Feketekuty, and have a few questions but i'll only post the ones that i'm really confused about. I hope somebody can help clear these out. I'm on a google play book so pages may not be the same for you but i'll provide the number if it helps. 1. pg. 40. 'Manfred, a clean-boned skeleton, held up a bowl. Audric read something helpful in the cant of its skull...' My question: what did audric read on manfred's skull? I probably missed it but can't find anything. 2. pg. 58. '"The great leveler has no favorites." Emmrich smiled.' What/who is the great leveler? Is that another name for the maker? That's all i got for now. Thank you very much for answers. I think he's interpreting the skeleton's body language as helpful in lieu of interpreting expressions since Manfred doesn't have those. As for the great leveler... Might be talking about the maker. Might also just be talking about death, given he's a member of the mourn watch. I dunno.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 19, 2020 7:58:42 GMT
1. pg. 40. 'Manfred, a clean-boned skeleton, held up a bowl. Audric read something helpful in the cant of its skull...' My question: what did audric read on manfred's skull? I probably missed it but can't find anything. 2. pg. 58. '"The great leveler has no favorites." Emmrich smiled.' What/who is the great leveler? Is that another name for the maker? 1. I think the idea is that since a clean boned skull cannot have facial expression the inclination of the head indicated its intent. It wishes to be helpful and is showing deference to the younger mage, inviting her appraisal of its efforts. She says the concoction needs more elfroot and Manfred, the skeleton, complies. So Audric is "reading" this body language in a similar way he would a normal person. (If it is not this then I've no idea) 2. I would assume it is another name for the Maker, although it is strange it is not given in capitals if that were the case. The Maker was given several different titles by Andraste in the Chant: the Wellspring of All; the Voice of Creation; the World-maker (shortened to Maker elsewhere); the Light. So it would be in keeping with this that the Mortalitasi came up with a title for him as part of their own adaption of their craft to fit with the Andrastrian faith, so it would be permitted by the Chantry. (I'm sure they were a revival of a much earlier death cult that existed in the area when it was part of the Imperium and likely dedicated at that time to one of the Old Gods, particularly as the burial rites and use of spirits is at such odds with what is generally preached as part of the faith). An alternative explanation is that the great leveler is another way of saying "death". "Death is a great leveler"is a common saying IRL and would explain why it is not given in capitals, since death is not a being but a state of existence. So what she is saying is that "death has no favourites" and thus neither does the mourn watch who preside over the fate of those who have died.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Oct 19, 2020 15:43:22 GMT
I have to wonder if Andraste stopped at Trefir when trying to find an "executor" of her will.... The Executor in Tevinter Nights was hidden from sight behind a Veil and even their voice was difficult to pinpoint as either male or female. I don't think this was just done to conceal their identity but possibly because they don't look human. What if the Executors are the undead manifestations of dead heroes? That idea is so intriguing that I hope it’s true.
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Post by dawnold on Oct 20, 2020 14:16:38 GMT
Absafraginlootly gervaise21 Thanks you. Does Audric read those emotions because he is dead himself? Or is it like me2 legion where the devs are creating ideas of expressive animations for npcs with less facial emotions?
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Post by DragonRacer on Oct 20, 2020 16:39:28 GMT
Absafraginlootly gervaise21 Thanks you. Does Audric read those emotions because he is dead himself? Or is it like me2 legion where the devs are creating ideas of expressive animations for npcs with less facial emotions? My opinion is it's done like the latter, like trying to give body language expressions to Legion when he has no face to do so, as you said.
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Post by dawnold on Oct 27, 2020 16:46:46 GMT
Hey dragon age(nts)
Another questions about Horror of Hormak
1. Is there different spellings for Hormok/Hormak. The former is dawrven, latter is common tongue?
2. Pg 64,66 on pg 64 it looks like there is only 1 of 2 horses left, "...tying the remaining horse to a tree...". but on pg 66 it sounds like there multiple horses, "there was no sign of the horses. The tree that they had been hitched to... They'd escaped-". Is the brine air making Ramesh see hallucinations of more than one horse or is 2nd horse on pg 66 is doppleganger copy made by the elven brine similar to the Thing from john carpenter movie? Or am i just confused and they had a 3rd horse the whole time?
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Post by Buckeldemon on Oct 27, 2020 17:37:17 GMT
Hey dragon age(nts) Another questions about Horror of Hormak 1. Is there different spellings for Hormok/Hormak. The former is dawrven, latter is common tongue? 2. Pg 64,66 on pg 64 it looks like there is only 1 of 2 horses left, "...tying the remaining horse to a tree...". but on pg 66 it sounds like there multiple horses, "there was no sign of the horses. The tree that they had been hitched to... They'd escaped-". Is the brine air making Ramesh see hallucinations of more than one horse or is 2nd horse on pg 66 is doppleganger copy made by the elven brine similar to the Thing from john carpenter movie? Or am i just confused and they had a 3rd horse the whole time? Unless it is some sort of intended sound shift, I blame it on lackluster editing/proof-reading. I've seen Hormak and Hormok and even one version with a ck as far as I recall. I believe the horse inconsistency has been pointed out before, though I cannot remember by whom. I also recall that in "Three trees to midnight", Bas-taar(d)'s two-handed weapon changes from and axe into a sword several times.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 27, 2020 19:24:41 GMT
Another questions about Horror of Hormak Someone raised this on one of the early pages of this thread and I think the consensus is that it was just poor proof reading and editing both with regard to the spelling and the inconsistency over the horses.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 28, 2020 1:30:48 GMT
It may not be worth mentioning considering this could be a no duh statement...but I did realize earlier that BioWare has actually introduced other companions and villains in other media I think before and around the release of the game. Most clearly to my mind Cole. (But with Loghain, Cassandra, technically Solas, also meaning there.)
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Post by dawnold on Oct 28, 2020 2:55:06 GMT
After you guys mentioned previous posts about hormak being discussed and i can't believe it when google never mentioned it. I saw some of you gys saying ghilan'ain is the mastermind of hormok and shared unrefutable evidence too! So i read the description in inwuisition and i can't believe you guys remembered that! The tale was saddening and infuriating so drew a drawing of ghilan'ain of what she might look like plus based on the events of horror of hormak! I think she is like centaur except with halla legs and body instead of horses... also she has no eyes and her skeletal hands. I also plagirised da vinci vitruvian man because i think the pose goes along with the mad scientist theme. Oh and did anyone else think of Impossible creatures game when they read the brine vats part?
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Post by necrowaif on Oct 28, 2020 20:13:47 GMT
I don’t know if she looks like a centaur, but I wouldn’t be shocked if Ghilan’nain doesn’t resemble an elf anymore.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Oct 28, 2020 22:24:12 GMT
I fully expect antlers to actually be growing from her head, ala the bear hug mural around Skyhold.
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Post by melbella on Oct 29, 2020 11:31:16 GMT
I don’t know if she looks like a centaur, but I wouldn’t be shocked if Ghilan’nain doesn’t resemble an elf anymore. I fully expect antlers to actually be growing from her head, ala the bear hug mural around Skyhold.
That dwg actually gives her a desire demon vibe.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Oct 29, 2020 12:09:30 GMT
I don’t know if she looks like a centaur, but I wouldn’t be shocked if Ghilan’nain doesn’t resemble an elf anymore. I fully expect antlers to actually be growing from her head, ala the bear hug mural around Skyhold.
That dwg actually gives her a desire demon vibe. dwg??
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Post by necrowaif on Oct 29, 2020 18:11:47 GMT
I fully expect antlers to actually be growing from her head, ala the bear hug mural around Skyhold. I’m not sure that mural is of Ghilhan’nain. You can find it elsewhere in Ferelden and it’s generally not associated with elven structures. (Yes, Skyhold was Solas’ fortress, but it has been occupied by humans in the past.) I actually think it’s associated with some Alamarri legend.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Oct 29, 2020 18:19:44 GMT
True. Still looks like deer antlers, though, which I associate with Ghilly for obvious reasons. Also, there may have been overlap btwn Alamarri legend and the pantheon/ancient elves. So, my mental image of Ghilly has antlers in her head at the moment. lol
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