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Post by Sanunes on Nov 12, 2020 23:10:58 GMT
Agreed because even i fi tdoesn' tdo tha twell i twill a tleas tgive Biowae ra chanc et owrap up the story and ti eup the threads left open by MEA The problem is that it may be the last ME game Bioware gets to make. On the bright side, it may be the last ME game Bioware gets to make. Any game might be the last game any developer might make or a developer might be able to keep making bad games until something besides a bad game sinks them.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 12, 2020 23:20:50 GMT
Sure. RoS would have gone over just fine, if it had been, you know, not terrible. What choices did it have? TLJ ruined every single character in the sequels.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 12, 2020 23:22:16 GMT
Any game might be the last game any developer might make or a developer might be able to keep making bad games until something besides a bad game sinks them. Change may to will definitely then.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 13, 2020 0:58:42 GMT
Agreed because even i fi tdoesn' tdo tha twell i twill a tleas tgive Biowae ra chanc et owrap up the story and ti eup the threads left open by MEA The problem is that it may be the last ME game Bioware gets to make. On the bright side, it may be the last ME game Bioware gets to make. TBH though I'm nottoo suer they planned reall yon making another one after ME3 given how the ychose t oend i tlet's not forget. I twas probably EA hemselves tha tmay hav etwisted Biowaer's arm an dconvinced them to do Andromeda .Don't get me wrog as I like Andromeda bu tin rtuth the yprobabl yshouldn't hav eleft the threads dangling that they did as it's kind of left the story unfinished without either DLC or a 2nd game.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 13, 2020 0:59:19 GMT
The problem is that it may be the last ME game Bioware gets to make. On the bright side, it may be the last ME game Bioware gets to make. Any game might be the last game any developer might make or a developer might be able to keep making bad games until something besides a bad game sinks them. Vrey true
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 13, 2020 1:04:30 GMT
TBH though I'm nottoo suer they planned reall yon making another one after ME3 given how the ychose t oend i tlet's not forget. I twas probably EA hemselves tha tmay hav etwisted Biowaer's arm an dconvinced them to do Andromeda .Don't get me wrog as I like Andromeda bu tin rtuth the yprobabl yshouldn't hav eleft the threads dangling that they did as it's kind of left the story unfinished without either DLC or a 2nd game. I don't think, after EA shelved the franchise with Andromeda, that they twisted Bioware's arm into making another ME. This is by Bioware's own device. And they are free to make one last ME game, if that is their wish. But they usually monkey paw it.
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Post by melbella on Nov 13, 2020 1:32:53 GMT
But Udina was not a Cerberus sympathizer and betrayed his own principles, because his son died for them. Udina was a bureaucrat, a politician and a hardass, but not a traitor. Er, the guy who died on Benning wasn't Udina's son but the son of the Earth ambassador to the Citadel.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 13, 2020 1:37:13 GMT
Er, the guy who died on Benning wasn't Udina's son but the son of the Earth ambassador to the Citadel. An even better motive for him, then, to betray the Alliance for Cerberus. The son of some guy we've never even seen.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 13, 2020 2:06:40 GMT
But Udina was not a Cerberus sympathizer and betrayed his own principles, because his son died for them. Udina was a bureaucrat, a politician and a hardass, but not a traitor. Er, the guy who died on Benning wasn't Udina's son but the son of the Earth ambassador to the Citadel. Yep, Ambassador Dominic Osoba . It's possible he will be the next human councilor, if ME4 were to happen.
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Post by melbella on Nov 13, 2020 3:07:49 GMT
Er, the guy who died on Benning wasn't Udina's son but the son of the Earth ambassador to the Citadel. An even better motive for him, then, to betray the Alliance for Cerberus. The son of some guy we've never even seen.
I don't know what game you played but what Udina did had nothing to do with that guy. He was desperate for help for Earth and looked to the wrong savior. He was duped/used by Cerberus, but that doesn't make him less of a sell-out or traitor.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 13, 2020 10:39:32 GMT
I don't know what game you played but what Udina did had nothing to do with that guy. Why does he talk about it, then? He was desperate for help for Earth and looked to the wrong savior. Udina has always been a hardass bureaucrat. He would always go through the proper channels. Not to mention, he was not pro-Cerberus. So he does a complete 180 and commits political and character suicide. Rather conveniently, since that was what the plot required him to do.
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Post by melbella on Nov 13, 2020 12:27:56 GMT
I don't know what game you played but what Udina did had nothing to do with that guy. Why does he talk about it, then?
He doesn't talk about it at all. Show me the clip. The only people who talk about him are the father, Dominic Osoba, and the rest of his squad at the bar.
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 13, 2020 13:27:36 GMT
Sure. RoS would have gone over just fine, if it had been, you know, not terrible. What choices did it have? TLJ ruined every single character in the sequels. To sort of keep this relevant to the thread, I’ll compare it to how I feel about ME2, and how BioWare bit off more than they could chew with how they handled companions going forward. Too many were disposable, and too many big decisions were made that would leave the final chapter kind of holding the bag. Even then, ME3’s most egregious narrative failings were entirely on that game and that game alone. Even if there weren’t enough zots to really get all that sufficient companion content due to their inherent disposability, some creative decisions just went too far off the rails. Regardless of how awful TLJ was, the cheap, creatively bankrupt decisions in RoS were not born out of being cornered with nowhere else to go, but rather clueless executives and a no talent hack essentially just overcorrecting and practically rebutting the previous chapter, and stuffing in as many ‘member moments as they could, because us dumb pigs will just eat their nostalgia slop. Like, you’re not gonna sit there and convince me that TLJ led to something painstakingly retarded like an antenna that’s required to get advanced starships to leave a planet, which also happens to be installed on one of the ships, which could have been installed on all of them, but weren’t for some crazy ass reason. My brain feels like it ate a jagged metal Krusty-O from thinking about this, and these freaks will keep getting work somehow!
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 13, 2020 13:43:18 GMT
He was desperate for help for Earth and looked to the wrong savior. Udina has always been a hardass bureaucrat. He would always go through the proper channels. Not to mention, he was not pro-Cerberus. So he does a complete 180 and commits political and character suicide. Rather conveniently, since that was what the plot required him to do. I think this is using meta knowledge of all the workings of the game world, rather than the perspective of the actual character. Udina no longer has any “proper channels”. The Council were essentially the only channel left, and the answer was no. The Terminus is doing who knows what, the salarians are sitting around their jungle planet all secretive, the asari are standing by while their government holds valuable secrets of their own for their own selfish political goals, and the turians are busy fighting on their moon while their planet is on fire. From Udina’s perspective, the prospects of any kind of career at all, political or not, are probably getting crushed under the threat of extinction while billions are already dead or repurposed into technozombies, while the other people in charge are all committed to their own interests. If I could toss them all into the slaughterhouse to save my species, I probably would.
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Post by regack on Nov 13, 2020 13:57:42 GMT
My brain feels like it ate a jagged metal Krusty-O from thinking about this, and these freaks will keep getting work somehow! In a completely unrelated point, the Simpsons used to be good too...
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 13, 2020 14:02:09 GMT
My brain feels like it ate a jagged metal Krusty-O from thinking about this, and these freaks will keep getting work somehow! In a completely unrelated point, the Simpsons used to be good too... It’s sad to see. Like watching someone you love let themselves go, then get on a serious drug habit, and now they’re working in some dead end job waiting to die.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 13, 2020 14:41:05 GMT
He doesn't talk about it at all. Show me the clip. The only people who talk about him are the father, Dominic Osoba, and the rest of his squad at the bar. Is it time to put early onset Alzheimer's back on my list? -Early Onset Alzheimer Getting a doctor's appointment as we speak. The Council were essentially the only channel left, and the answer was no The answer was "you scratch my back, I scratch yours". Which is why Shepard is going around doing errands. The fact that there is no foreshadowing of Udina's treason, until after the coup, which is very convenient for the writing group. You don't need to establish anything, you can just do it after the fact. With zero explanation or motivation behind what is happening. Retroactively trying to justify things happening, is not good writing. Like, you’re not gonna sit there and convince me that TLJ led to something painstakingly retarded like an antenna that’s required to get advanced starships to leave a planet, which also happens to be installed on one of the ships, which could have been installed on all of them, but weren’t for some crazy ass reason. I am going to tell you how a fleet of Imperial ships couldn't hyperspeed jump ahead of the 3 rebel ships ahead of them. Or how the person who could disable the tracker on the Star Destroyer just happened to be on the same cell that Finn and Rose happened to be, which they could only get there, if they were arrested for illegal parking. Or how Poe was berated for destroying the one Imperial ship that could have one shot them regardless of distance. TLJ was full of stupid shit. As was TRoS. I don't know if I'd classify one film better than the other. They're both stupid, TLJ was just more depressingly stupid.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 13, 2020 15:34:49 GMT
If Bioware had the time, the coup was to have happened after Thessia. It would make sense having it this way to explain why Udina did what he did. https://www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/1wyz7e/some_interesting_facts_about_me3s_development/
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 16, 2020 12:20:34 GMT
It is lazy because they want to retain the ending and choices that would not matter, anyway. It's like they learned nothing from their mistakes. I can't remember anymore -- what exactly is it you're saying that they should be doing? Your sarcasm needs a lot of work.
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Post by Ascend on Nov 16, 2020 14:51:17 GMT
If Bioware had the time, the coup was to have happened after Thessia. It would make sense having it this way to explain why Udina did what he did. https://www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/1wyz7e/some_interesting_facts_about_me3s_development/ ME3 is the game that I say could have been much better (despite it being actually very good except the ending) if EA had given BioWare a bit more time. ME1 had the passion and the time, but not the experience ME2 had the time and the experience, but not the passion ME3 had the passion and the experience, but not the time
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Post by Iakus on Nov 16, 2020 15:01:25 GMT
My brain feels like it ate a jagged metal Krusty-O from thinking about this, and these freaks will keep getting work somehow! In a completely unrelated point, the Simpsons used to be good too... Franchises need to know when to end.
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Post by shermos on Nov 20, 2020 9:07:49 GMT
In a completely unrelated point, the Simpsons used to be good too... Franchises need to know when to end.
This. Let fan fiction continue the universe.
My girlfriend is a fan of Japanese dramas and encouraged me to watch some of her favourites with her. Most shows over there end after one season - only the most popular ones will get a second. Most stories are either wrapped up with few loose ends or deliberately leave it to the audience to imagine what comes next. I don't know if this is what Japanese audiences prefer, or if there's some practical reason for it. American franchises are tending to drag on and on to the point where the creators run out of ideas and passion for their creation, or pass the mantle onto others who more often than not are hacks. I'm not arguing franchises can never be long running without dropping the ball, but it takes exceptional creative minds to pull it off imo.
I'm curious to find out what comes next for the Mass Effect universe, but I'm keeping my expectations very low.
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 20, 2020 10:14:43 GMT
In a completely unrelated point, the Simpsons used to be good too... Franchises need to know when to end. They're milked until they're dry and dead.
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Post by traks on Nov 20, 2020 10:42:43 GMT
In a completely unrelated point, the Simpsons used to be good too... Franchises need to know when to end. While I agree with your statement in general (some of my former favorites like Star Wars, 24 or The Walking Dead come to my mind first), I wouldn't apply it to Mass Effect yet. There is still strong demand for it and unfortunately we won't know whether BioWare can answer with a great story set in the ME universe until the next game comes out. You may think to know the answer already, but I guess there are still enough people out there who will give them another chance. So where is the harm in BioWare trying? If it's good, you may come back to it, if not, you didn't expect any better and won't be disappointed, right?
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Post by Iakus on Nov 20, 2020 15:29:37 GMT
Franchises need to know when to end. While I agree with your statement in general (some of my former favorites like Star Wars, 24 or The Walking Dead come to my mind first), I wouldn't apply it to Mass Effect yet. There is still strong demand for it and unfortunately we won't know whether BioWare can answer with a great story set in the ME universe until the next game comes out. You may think to know the answer already, but I guess there are still enough people out there who will give them another chance. So where is the harm in BioWare trying? If it's good, you may come back to it, if not, you didn't expect any better and won't be disappointed, right? There may be a demand for "Mass Effect" but not for what Mass Effect has become. I'd rather see the series shelved eith a shred of its dignity intact than watch it sink into irrelevancy.
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