Dragon Age The Veilguard Criticism Thread (formerly Skepticism Thread) [Spoilers]

And Anora keeps hammering it home when she argues for recruiting him, like she is trying to sell him as a good candidate for the wardens

This is from the DA wiki:
"The Grey Wardens don't accept just anyone within their ranks, however. Only the best and brightest are allowed. Recruits suffer excruciating tests to determine if they are worthy of being members of the Order.[10] In addition, the fact that the Joining ritual kills many of its participants means that the draft may turn out to be a death sentence. While this is seen as unfortunate, this process elevates their membership to the highest caliber. To face a Grey Warden in combat, is to face an elite and deadly opponent.[36]"

As for Loghain - sure he is not a great person, but the wardens don't care about that, they only care about his talent. And he is a talented guy.

I legit don't remember anything from Crestwood other than the flooding mayor and I played it like a month ago.

As for the rest of your arguments, sure no formal training, but training nonetheless, enough to impress Duncan anyway. Maybe Duncan is a poor judge of character, but he says what he is looking for, the best people to be wardens. The fact the people he actually found don't impress you doesn't mean it wasn't his goal to find the best.

I will look for the specific quote from The veilguard because I want to illustrate the difference between how they are talked about there and in Origins.

So? He still has experience as a war commander, as a veteran. His mistake as a ruler should not undue his achievements as a warrior lol. 

The only time we see him fight is the fight he loses to the Warden. Ya, I know he's not fat, but he's old which makes only his strategic expertise of use. And then we see him strategically lose many things. All we have is a reputation of his great mind from 20 years ago to go on.

Whatever. He's not the best example for "not appropriate for being a Warden based off skill." he was an example of the Wardens taking morally bankrupt criminals on the regular. When they do this regularly, they become part of the fabric of the whole, and the whole is not heroic 

And as rocketpineapple just reminded me, we actually recruit that greedy mayor who got his entire village slaughtered. 

Generally speaking, the Wardens tend to recruit only those with a high degree of skill and strength. There are multiple reasons for this: first, the Wardens’ supply of Archdemon blood is not infinite, and it’s generally accepted that only the sturdiest individuals will survive the Joining. Plus, they’ll have to spend their lives fighting darkspawn, so they better be good at it.

For this reason, the Wardens tend not to be too critical about their recruits’ background, which is why they’ll accept thieves, murderers and all manner of criminals. That said, Wardens use the Right of Conscription sparingly, because they don’t want to create conflict with local authorities, and also murderers and thieves don’t necessarily make for loyal followers.

In Origins, Duncan was desperate to bolster the Wardens’ numbers because he sensed a Blight was starting. Daveth and Jory might not have been recruited otherwise.

Excellent critique here. I very much share her concerns about what this game portends for Mass Effect. I know Casey Hudson has assured us ME will be mature, but there was nothing grown up about the 'mature' rated tripe that was Veilguard. The same folks are going to develop ME now, so there will inevitably be continuation of thought processes from Veilguard into ME.

And this Mass Effect show? If Marvel is the vibe they are going for, then it'll be a stretch if it's any good. Amazon already had a show, The Expanse, that they could just about copy and paste whole cast and crew from, and get a far more likely hit.

Ah, someone with more lore to help support what I'm saying. The Wardens aren't inherently incompetent for failing at such an unusual siege because they've historically already lost a siege that another country's leader and army had to save them from.

I remember being surprised when that was the main conflict in dragon age 2 because I honestly understood why the templars were needed after dragon age origins lol. because someone was necessary to watch over them in case anything bad like Uldred happened