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Post by mgsmsc on Nov 16, 2021 20:31:03 GMT
Unless they are going to meticulously plan 3-4 games at the same time then you are always going to run into problems with continuity. Its not like Bioware have really been invested in keeping one particular protagonist going from DA2 onwards and the only surprise to me is that they insist on these tenuous cameos - which only serve to remind people [who care] that their relationship with a previous character is unresolved. For me they would be better off leaving out former protagonists entirely than what they did with Hawke in DAI. They seem to be better at using the supporting cast in recurring roles - Leliana and Varric seemed well executed enough to me. I suppose its a glass half full/empty scenario where either they feel 'we must include so and so,' or 'that guy could come back and really add something to the story.' Audience matters too, if you bring back X, someone will be disappointed Y isn't there. I doubt the long term approach is on the cards - writing a few games when parts 2 and 3 might be a decade away or worse may never happen. It's not only that. As proven, within that time, the studio may not even be comprised by the same people and even what was there, in one title, might not be followed up on in the next, because people want their own creative freedom and not to be bound by the visions of the predecessors. But that also comes at the cost of the franchise's identity and the collective vision that was brought into existence by the original team. Which is why Origins and Inquisition feel and play like nothing alike. I totally agree. The change in personnel is a huge deal. About the only thing that tie them together is the base lore, which gets built upon with the successive titles. For me, given concerns about character and plot writing, what is done to expand on the franchise lore is one of the few things that is hooking me in to DA4. I'll try not to get too excited 😉.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 17, 2021 18:09:22 GMT
This will be the last Dragon Age game. This can be interpreted in a few ways.
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Post by Gwydden on Nov 17, 2021 18:26:57 GMT
This will be the last Dragon Age game. This can be interpreted in a few ways. That the game will bomb so badly it'll be the end of the series? That the game will bomb so badly it'll be the end of Bioware? That they'll reboot the series so that instead of DA5, we'll get Cockatrice Age: Beginnings?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 17, 2021 18:35:43 GMT
That the game will bomb so badly it'll be the end of the series? That is one possibility, though not the only interpretation. Like, if it does really bad, it'll probably be the last Dragon Age. But also, there's the decreasing importance of Dragons in the gameplay. Not that you don't fight Dragons, but they're not as important to the central plot and, therefore, as implemented in Inquisition, more of a side thing, than an important narrative piece. Not to the extent of the corrupted dragon of Origins. Solas is a wold and doesn't have pet dragons for us to fight, for example. It could also mean that the next game will be set hundreds of years in the future and thus the Dragon Age will have ended, so it will be named after the new age. Perhaps they want to give greater emphasis to THEDAS as a setting, more than Dragon Age itself. I don't know yet, but it doesn't necessarily mean negative, although it is a possibility that the franchise ends with Dread Wolf.
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Post by Gwydden on Nov 17, 2021 18:51:10 GMT
That is one possibility, though not the only interpretation. Like, if it does really bad, it'll probably be the last Dragon Age. But also, there's the decreasing importance of Dragons in the gameplay. Not that you don't fight Dragons, but they're not as important to the central plot and, therefore, as implemented in Inquisition, more of a side thing, than an important narrative piece. Not to the extent of the corrupted dragon of Origins. Solas is a wold and doesn't have pet dragons for us to fight, for example. It could also mean that the next game will be set hundreds of years in the future and thus the Dragon Age will have ended, so it will be named after the new age. Perhaps they want to give greater emphasis to THEDAS as a setting, more than Dragon Age itself. I don't know yet, but it doesn't necessarily mean negative, although it is a possibility that the franchise ends with Dread Wolf. I think developers in general are reluctant to give up a series' brand recognition by changing its name, even if it would make more sense. Look at Assassin's Creed. We're only halfway through the Dragon Age in-universe, and even if they go as far as starting a new age, I suspect they'll work "Dragon Age" into the title somehow.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 17, 2021 18:53:34 GMT
That is one possibility, though not the only interpretation. Like, if it does really bad, it'll probably be the last Dragon Age. But also, there's the decreasing importance of Dragons in the gameplay. Not that you don't fight Dragons, but they're not as important to the central plot and, therefore, as implemented in Inquisition, more of a side thing, than an important narrative piece. Not to the extent of the corrupted dragon of Origins. Solas is a wold and doesn't have pet dragons for us to fight, for example. It could also mean that the next game will be set hundreds of years in the future and thus the Dragon Age will have ended, so it will be named after the new age. Perhaps they want to give greater emphasis to THEDAS as a setting, more than Dragon Age itself. I don't know yet, but it doesn't necessarily mean negative, although it is a possibility that the franchise ends with Dread Wolf. I think developers in general are reluctant to give up a series' brand recognition by changing its name, even if it would make more sense. Look at Assassin's Creed. We're only halfway through the Dragon Age in-universe, and even if they go as far as starting a new age, I suspect they'll work "Dragon Age" into the title somehow. Personally, I think the interpretation of "they just want to get away from dragons" to be the most plausible. I think they don't like the mechanic very much and since they are not really plot relevant, they don't want to have a game called "Dragon Age" without dragons. Wasn't there an article how Inquisition almost didn't have dragons, at all? I think they just don't want to have dragons, at all and don't to advertise the games as such. That's how I see it.
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Post by Gwydden on Nov 17, 2021 19:05:28 GMT
Personally, I think the interpretation of "they just want to get away from dragons" to be the most plausible. I think they don't like the mechanic very much and since they are not really plot relevant, they don't want to have a game called "Dragon Age" without dragons. Wasn't there an article how Inquisition almost didn't have dragons, at all? I think they just don't want to have dragons, at all and don't to advertise the games as such. That's how I see it. Hey, I wouldn't mind a name change. I think "Dragon Age" is Bioware's most insipid, uninspired title. It neither sounds compelling nor does it communicate anything about the series besides it being a fantasy game that probably has dragons in it. I used to joke it sounded like it came out of a fantasy title generator, then that turned out to be pretty much the case. Don't think it'll happen, though. Oh, and on a tangentially related note... Knights of the Old Republic is the Bioware game with the best title. Haven't played it, not a Star Wars fan, but so it is.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 17, 2021 21:24:17 GMT
Wasn't there an article how Inquisition almost didn't have dragons, at all? Hey, I wouldn't mind a name change. I think "Dragon Age" is Bioware's most insipid, uninspired title. It neither sounds compelling nor does it communicate anything about the series besides it being a fantasy game that probably has dragons in it. I used to joke it sounded like it came out of a fantasy title generator, then that turned out to be pretty much the case. Yep, from what I recall they didn't have a name for the game, everyone put in a suggestion and Dragon Age was the best they could come up with. Then suddenly someone realised that you can't call a game Dragon Age and then have no dragons, which is when the Old God went from being a creature that looked like a demon with multiple limbs (hence being known as an Arch-demon) to a corrupted dragon. Which is why there is so much iconography in DAO that people have speculated about as being the Old Gods but found in elven settlements, thus clearly connecting the two, but was pretty much redundant graphics really. Whether they will ever get back to reconciling the Old Gods to the original concept remains to be seen. I still wonder if Solas is going to be allowed to succeed in some way, so the setting is fundamentally altered and thus will begin a new age both in universe and when it comes to future games. Either that or what we need to do to stop him also finally destroys all the dragons.
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Post by Garo on Nov 18, 2021 0:38:31 GMT
Shouldn't we get more info about the next DA as the time goes on? I feel like BW was weirdly quite lately. Are they okay in there?
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Post by andydandymandy on Nov 18, 2021 0:55:47 GMT
Shouldn't we get more info about the next DA as the time goes on? I feel like BW was weirdly quite lately. Are they okay in there? BW blink twice if you need help. Maybe they completely rebooted the premise since we last got a trailer for the game?
Also, getting rid of the name Dragon Age would be a stupid move. 1. It has brand recognition. 2. It is an easy title to remember and communicates that its a fantasy game. 3. I don't trust the current BioWare to give us a better title for the series, given that Anthem was their most recent new IP and that name means absolutely nothing and doesn't tell you what the game is, so maybe leave established properties alone? Maybe don't change the name of the series?
Like, if the non-EA non-corporate owned, BioWare who had a good reputation for making high quality beloved games couldn't come up with a better title for this series than "Dragon Age", you really trust the current BioWare to replace it with a new title that is better?
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Post by garrusfan1 on Nov 18, 2021 18:26:39 GMT
That the game will bomb so badly it'll be the end of the series? That is one possibility, though not the only interpretation. Like, if it does really bad, it'll probably be the last Dragon Age. But also, there's the decreasing importance of Dragons in the gameplay. Not that you don't fight Dragons, but they're not as important to the central plot and, therefore, as implemented in Inquisition, more of a side thing, than an important narrative piece. Not to the extent of the corrupted dragon of Origins. Solas is a wold and doesn't have pet dragons for us to fight, for example. It could also mean that the next game will be set hundreds of years in the future and thus the Dragon Age will have ended, so it will be named after the new age. Perhaps they want to give greater emphasis to THEDAS as a setting, more than Dragon Age itself. I don't know yet, but it doesn't necessarily mean negative, although it is a possibility that the franchise ends with Dread Wolf. Coryepheus traveled with a dragon and then linked his life to it and then we had to have a dragon to match it in combat. In DA2 we only had flemeth and the dragon at the quarry. So how did DAI have less dragons then DA2?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 18, 2021 18:35:57 GMT
That is one possibility, though not the only interpretation. Like, if it does really bad, it'll probably be the last Dragon Age. But also, there's the decreasing importance of Dragons in the gameplay. Not that you don't fight Dragons, but they're not as important to the central plot and, therefore, as implemented in Inquisition, more of a side thing, than an important narrative piece. Not to the extent of the corrupted dragon of Origins. Solas is a wold and doesn't have pet dragons for us to fight, for example. It could also mean that the next game will be set hundreds of years in the future and thus the Dragon Age will have ended, so it will be named after the new age. Perhaps they want to give greater emphasis to THEDAS as a setting, more than Dragon Age itself. I don't know yet, but it doesn't necessarily mean negative, although it is a possibility that the franchise ends with Dread Wolf. Coryepheus traveled with a dragon and then linked his life to it and then we had to have a dragon to match it in combat. In DA2 we only had flemeth and the dragon at the quarry. So how did DAI have less dragons then DA2? I'm sorry, my memory isn't what it used to be. I forget a lot of things and some seem to merge together. But I've been told that the whole Dragon thing has been played out and that it's not one of their priorities for the future. So because they don't want to mislead customers with the name Dragon Age, there probably won't be another dragon age title. Perhaps they had a hard time implementing Dragons in a good or useful way to the gameplay/plot of DA4 and it's something they don't want to get bogged down with in the future. On the other hand, considering that the team may not be the same by 2033, when we're probably getting the next DA game, that might change back.
Now that I think about it, it may have been a useless bit of information.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 18, 2021 19:33:42 GMT
Perhaps they had a hard time implementing Dragons in a good or useful way to the gameplay/plot of DA4 and it's something they don't want to get bogged down with in the future. More likely the realise that fighting dragons is becoming a bit repetitive. To my mind the problem with DAI wasn't the lack of dragons but there were too many and, with the exception of Corypheus' dragon, you are right that they didn't have any significance to the main plot. There were there as simply another badge you could collect, without any real explanation as to why there were suddenly so many of them. Now apparently the previous Divine foresaw the dragon appearing at the beginning of the age as an indication of a resurgence of the dragons, although also symbolic of the chaos that would plague the age, but we never have it explained in game why there was a multitude of dragons at that particular time, particularly as the Pentaghasts were said to have hunted them to near extinction. I assume it had something to do with the Breach but it would have been good if they could have definitely linked them to it in some way. Also, I don't think dragons are going to be completely out of the picture next game, judging from that promotional artwork.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 18, 2021 19:38:46 GMT
Perhaps they had a hard time implementing Dragons in a good or useful way to the gameplay/plot of DA4 and it's something they don't want to get bogged down with in the future. More likely the realise that fighting dragons is becoming a bit repetitive. To my mind the problem with DAI wasn't the lack of dragons but there were too many and, with the exception of Corypheus' dragon, you are right that they didn't have any significance to the main plot. There were there as simply another badge you could collect, without any real explanation as to why there were suddenly so many of them. Now apparently the previous Divine foresaw the dragon appearing at the beginning of the age as an indication of a resurgence of the dragons, although also symbolic of the chaos that would plague the age, but we never have it explained in game why there was a multitude of dragons at that particular time, particularly as the Pentaghasts were said to have hunted them to near extinction. I assume it had something to do with the Breach but it would have been good if they could have definitely linked them to it in some way. Also, I don't think dragons are going to be completely out of the picture next game, judging from that promotional artwork. By next game you mean DA4 or the one after it? Because if someone looking to see Dragons in DA4 went in and found none, that would have been a big whoopsie. Like, I can understand them not changing the title for this game, since Solas is there so some link would have to be in the title. But I supposed, after that, it's free game. We'll see how and if that really changes, or if it proves too big a change.
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Post by jamierose95 on Nov 19, 2021 0:32:37 GMT
If bioware gets closed now because of dragon age so should dice with battlefield. They've fucked last 3 games now even with star wars.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 19, 2021 0:41:21 GMT
If bioware gets closed now because of dragon age so should dice with battlefield. They've fucked last 3 games now even with star wars. Actually, this one is DICE LA, well, formely DICE LA, now what was it. Ripple Effect. It was renamed to Ripple Effect and they were the lead developers of this Battlefield, under Zampella's supervision. I bet that didn't do him any favours, though.
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Post by Templar Knight on Nov 19, 2021 8:36:42 GMT
This will be the last Dragon Age game. This can be interpreted in a few ways. Wait, they said this will be the last one?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 19, 2021 10:36:22 GMT
This will be the last Dragon Age game. This can be interpreted in a few ways. Wait, they said this will be the last one? No, they haven't. Well, it might be, depends, but they haven't. What is being referred is more complicated than "shelving the franchise". It basically boils down to implementation of Dragons in the games, in terms of lore/gameplay/story. You can't go out and kill 150 dragons one game and do that for every game, for example.
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Post by bear on Nov 20, 2021 18:36:37 GMT
While the term "Dragon Age" canonically derives from the return of dragons to Thedas, it doesn't have to be taken literally to mean that "it's an age that needs to have lots of dragons in it". Also, the developers may simply come up with: "Divine Victoria introduced a new method of dating an age; ages are named for a millennia". That's really all it would take, I think. Because, yeah, "Dragon Age" is the recognizable franchise name. "Wolf Age" or "Pride Age" (if focused on the fight with Dread Wolf) sounds.... cheesy to me, somehow.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 20, 2021 19:14:22 GMT
While the term "Dragon Age" canonically derives from the return of dragons to Thedas, it doesn't have to be taken literally to mean that "it's an age that needs to have lots of dragons in it". Also, the developers may simply come up with: " Divine Victoria introduced a new method of dating an age; ages are named for a millennia". That's really all it would take, I think. Because, yeah, "Dragon Age" is the recognizable franchise name. "Wolf Age" or "Pride Age" (if focused on the fight with Dread Wolf) sounds.... cheesy to me, somehow. I understand, but a Dragon Age game without Dragons, might as well be a rock paper scissors game called Mass Effect.
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Post by ellehaym on Nov 20, 2021 19:57:57 GMT
Personally, I think the interpretation of "they just want to get away from dragons" to be the most plausible. I think they don't like the mechanic very much and since they are not really plot relevant, they don't want to have a game called "Dragon Age" without dragons. Wasn't there an article how Inquisition almost didn't have dragons, at all? I think they just don't want to have dragons, at all and don't to advertise the games as such. That's how I see it. Hey, I wouldn't mind a name change. I think "Dragon Age" is Bioware's most insipid, uninspired title. It neither sounds compelling nor does it communicate anything about the series besides it being a fantasy game that probably has dragons in it. I used to joke it sounded like it came out of a fantasy title generator, then that turned out to be pretty much the case. Don't think it'll happen, though. Oh, and on a tangentially related note... Knights of the Old Republic is the Bioware game with the best title. Haven't played it, not a Star Wars fan, but so it is. Yeah, it might be to late for a name change. Which is is too bad because "___ Age" is just based on what the divine chooses for the name of the next century. They can easily do a "Tales of" series with this series. I suppose they could do that if they choose to reboot the series.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 21, 2021 8:05:14 GMT
While the term "Dragon Age" canonically derives from the return of dragons to Thedas, it doesn't have to be taken literally to mean that "it's an age that needs to have lots of dragons in it". Yet oddly enough that is precisely why the Arch-demon ended up being a dragon instead of an actual demon, because someone at Bioware realised they were calling it Dragon Age and yet there were no dragons. I assume that Flemeth turning into a dragon and the dragon at Haven only came about as a result of the name as well, plus needing to write a codex explaining exactly why the Divine decided to call it that in the first place, although that was a prediction of it being a time of violence and upheaval which she assumed because of the "sign" of a dragon appearing in southern Thedas, not a prediction of a wholesale return of dragons. So essentially they came up with the name of the game first and then added in the dragons to justify the name. Obviously Dragon Age is a recognisable name of the franchise now unless the events of DA4 change the setting so drastically that they could justify doing a re-brand for the sequel. However, if DA4 is a major success they are unlikely to want to do that. In any case, we are only less than half way through the Dragon age, so unless they were intending doing a major jump in time between games, there is still plenty of scope for them to continue with stories set within the current age, which fits the brand.
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 22, 2021 15:48:32 GMT
If something is called "Dragon Age" I expect the plot to have to do with dragons and expect to see them. In-game I think the whole thing deviated a lot and mainly uses dragons just to justify its brand name. The overall plot doesn't have much to do with dragons. Could have also called the franchise the "Golden City" or "Fade Age".
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 22, 2021 18:39:00 GMT
Could have also called the franchise the "Golden City" or "Fade Age". No, Fade Age is what it will be called if Solas succeeds in dropping the Veil. Also, currently, it would have to be the Black City because the last time it was golden was at least 1200 years ago, or possibly even longer if Corypheus is to be believed.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 22, 2021 21:12:51 GMT
So Elric of Melnibone just got announced as a video game with a target release date of 2024. And just like that, Dragon Age got some timely competition. Especially if both games target Q1 2024. For those that don't know, Elric of Melnibone is a very successful book by acclaimed author Michael Moorcock, Elric is just one part of the Eternal Champion series and basically defined the anti-hero genre, influencing, basically, the entire existence of House Targeryen, The Witcher, DragonLance (Raistlin Majere) and many more. The game is currently being collaboratively developed by Runatyr, Aurora Punks, and the UK-based studio Upstream Arcade. Of course, it all depends on the vision behind the franchise and what the studios want to do with it, I just hope it isn't a low budget, indie title, but a full fledged AAA experience. I've been waiting for an Elric video game for fucking ever!
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