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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2024 12:33:53 GMT
Should have done the same with Miranda and Jack, the sexual tension was palpable, haha. That would have been the apex of hotness lmao
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 14, 2024 12:52:54 GMT
They could've made Miranda and Jack hook up in ME3 during Citadel, but I figure that a reason why they didn't do it was due to the criticism they'd receive by those that wanted to romance either as FemShep. Especially considering Jack was supposed to be a bisexual LI.
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Post by Guardian on Jun 14, 2024 13:50:04 GMT
Yes, I expect about the same as in previous games and I'm fine with it. It's cool that companions have a life that doesn't center around you (you could criticize that about BG3). DA2 did this so well. You'd go to somebody's house and another companion would be there already chatting with them. That was SO cool. Then Mass Effect adopted this dynamic approach too. One of the funniest conversations in ME3 was Garrus and Vega shit talking each other. Made them feel like real people. Garrus and Tali hooking up was a fun little surprise. Should have done the same with Miranda and Jack, the sexual tension was palpable, haha. I don't expect everyone to hook up though, that would be really jarring. Flirting, sure. Being all lovey dovey around you as a serious couple, nah. Please don't. At least don't have more than one such couple. Nothing more awkward than a friend group where suddenly everyone hooked up. Somebody is always going to but everyone would weird me out. I doubt BioWare went that route. As much as I agree with how poorly Anders was handled in DA2, forcing you to flirt with him or take +15/+20 to rivalry, DA2 handled this so well for exactly the reasons you said. ME3 also built upon this, when walking around in Normandy. Garrus and Vega, Liara contacting Garrus, even Adams and Chawkwas having a conversation - all of this just made even the secondary NPCs feel alive. Regarding the random couplings, I also doubt BioWare went that way, but I won't rule anything out these days. You also pointed out how the companions lives center around Tav in BG3 (part of this I think is due to the tadpole you all share, but that's besides the point). I like it more when the companions actually have life that has nothing to do with you. While BG3 is perhaps one of the greatest games in current modern era, it's not without it's faults. And this is one of them, to be fair.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 14, 2024 13:51:59 GMT
They could've made Miranda and Jack hook up in ME3 during Citadel, but I figure that a reason why they didn't do it was due to the criticism they'd receive by those that wanted to romance either as FemShep. Especially considering Jack was supposed to be a bisexual LI. Yeah, makes zero sense that Jack wasn't an option for femShep. With Miranda you could argue it was Jack specifically that unlocked something, lol.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Jun 14, 2024 14:00:28 GMT
It's cool that companions have a life that doesn't center around you (you could criticize that about BG3). I ship Wyll and Karlach and also Karlach and Dammon and reality can't take that away from me.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 14, 2024 14:04:43 GMT
They could've made Miranda and Jack hook up in ME3 during Citadel, but I figure that a reason why they didn't do it was due to the criticism they'd receive by those that wanted to romance either as FemShep. Especially considering Jack was supposed to be a bisexual LI. Yeah, makes zero sense that Jack wasn't an option for femShep. With Miranda you could argue it was Jack specifically that unlocked something, lol. It's not only about making sense, they actually worked on a romance path for her, and she was written as pansexual. They cut it for external reasons, allegedly due to Fox News' criticism of ME's sex scenes/Liara romance.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 14, 2024 14:10:15 GMT
It's cool that companions have a life that doesn't center around you (you could criticize that about BG3). I ship Wyll and Karlach and also Karlach and Dammon and reality can't take that away from me. I think there ARE canon companion romances if you play as one of them, I think Wyll/Karlach is one such with extra dialogue. Friend told me SH/Laezel as well but not 100% sure if true. Could be Gale/Astarion as well, at least you get a funny unique dialogue for the bite scene. The sheer amount of variables in this game is shocking. I thought BioWare was delightful in that regard but BG3 is just something else.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 14, 2024 14:10:57 GMT
Yeah, makes zero sense that Jack wasn't an option for femShep. With Miranda you could argue it was Jack specifically that unlocked something, lol. It's not only about making sense, they actually worked on a romance path for her, and she was written as pansexual. They cut it for external reasons, allegedly due to Fox News' criticism of ME's sex scenes/Liara romance. Fox News, really? That's just sad.
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Post by necrowaif on Jun 14, 2024 16:24:44 GMT
I don’t really care about whether the companions are all pansexual. No, my issue is that none of them appeal to me, at least from what I’ve seen. They made Harding a little prettier but she’s still as dull as plain bread. Neve is pretty but that voice turned me off, and the less said about the Qunari or the elven lady with the beehive hairdo who I can already tell is the “quirky” romance, the better.
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Post by General Mahad on Jun 14, 2024 20:29:44 GMT
Playersexual ruins characters whose sexual preference is a major factor of their backstory.
For example: making Dorian playersexual is would ruin his reason for becoming estranged from his family and leaving Tevinter. It would also remove the conflict with his father as well as its resolution.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 14, 2024 20:36:50 GMT
I don’t really care about whether the companions are all pansexual. No, my issue is that none of them appeal to me, at least from what I’ve seen. They made Harding a little prettier but she’s still as dull as plain bread. Neve is pretty but that voice turned me off, and the less said about the Qunari or the elven lady with the beehive hairdo who I can already tell is the “quirky” romance, the better. Yeah, outside Morrigan Bioware hasn't done very good making hotties. I guess normal guys with normal tastes don't matter in the sales equation...cause you know some will not play for that reason alone.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2024 20:38:16 GMT
Playersexual ruins characters whose sexual preference is a major factor of their backstory. For example: making Dorian bisexual would ruin his reason for becoming estranged from his family and leaving Tevinter. It would also remove the conflict with his father as well as its resolution. It's also copypastey. In DAO and ME even the bisexual romances have unique dialogue depending on the player's gender. With playersexuality all that changes are the pronouns. All in short, characters having different orientations have more flavor.
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Post by General Mahad on Jun 14, 2024 20:56:46 GMT
I don’t really care about whether the companions are all pansexual. No, my issue is that none of them appeal to me, at least from what I’ve seen. They made Harding a little prettier but she’s still as dull as plain bread. Neve is pretty but that voice turned me off, and the less said about the Qunari or the elven lady with the beehive hairdo who I can already tell is the “quirky” romance, the better. Yeah, outside Morrigan Bioware hasn't done very good making hotties. I guess normal guys with normal tastes don't matter in the sales equation...cause you know some will not play for that reason alone. I beg to differ. There are an incredible amount of beautiful women in Dragon Age, but unfortunately we are in a middle of a cultural fad where androgynous women with square jaws, short hair, no curves and toxic masculine personalities are considered the only standard of feminine strength and beauty.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2024 21:01:15 GMT
I don’t really care about whether the companions are all pansexual. No, my issue is that none of them appeal to me, at least from what I’ve seen. They made Harding a little prettier but she’s still as dull as plain bread. Neve is pretty but that voice turned me off, and the less said about the Qunari or the elven lady with the beehive hairdo who I can already tell is the “quirky” romance, the better. Yeah, outside Morrigan Bioware hasn't done very good making hotties. I guess normal guys with normal tastes don't matter in the sales equation...cause you know some will not play for that reason alone. ME is choke full of gorgeous women so I beg to differ. There's also Leliana and Isabela in DA.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 14, 2024 21:04:45 GMT
I beg to differ. There are an incredible amount of beautiful women in Dragon Age, but unfortunately we are in a middle of a cultural fad where androgynous women with square jaws, short hair, no curves and toxic masculine personalities are considered the only standard of feminine strength and beauty. Yeah, unfortunately. I guess traditional beauties don't deserve representation too. I'll do the main ones and really liked Harding in DAI even if she's as far from my type as you can get. I'm glad to see an Asian chick since I have a soft spot there...just afraid she'll end up being Peebee levels of annoying. Not touch that Qunari... shudders.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 14, 2024 21:47:04 GMT
I don’t really care about whether the companions are all pansexual. No, my issue is that none of them appeal to me, at least from what I’ve seen. They made Harding a little prettier but she’s still as dull as plain bread. Neve is pretty but that voice turned me off, and the less said about the Qunari or the elven lady with the beehive hairdo who I can already tell is the “quirky” romance, the better. Going to be interesting to see just how cliche the companions will be. Since it's BioWare and it's such a popular type too a socially awkward one is a given. Looks like Bellara could be the socially awkward AND quirky one. So another Merrill again? She was cute and all but need a really good personal story to sell that trope to me again (never romanced her, just as cool character). Curious if BioWare still has a virgin fetish... I can never tell who I'll end up liking the best. First few hours of BG3 I didn't really like any of them. Laezel was a racist asshole, SH was being a complete bitch for no reason. Gale the guy who talks too much and irritated the crap out of me. Astarion was hot alright but an awful resentful gremlin. I was not happy, lol. But most of them really grew on me. Going by companion profiles is always misleading. So makes no sense planning romances. Even looks don't matter too much if their personality is grating. I'll be relieved if they aren't all socially awkward crybabies like in Andromeda. My bar is really low right now for what counts an an improvement. But at the same time sky high because of BG3. Sigh. Also DAI had the highest number of companions I liked (as people or as characters). So technically their last DA game is also a high bar. I still have low expectations for the game based on their last two games. They can hype it up as much as they like. I got burned bad by Starfield, another studio I shouldn't have trusted after the shit they pulled. If it sounds too good it's a trap, lol. I really want to believe BioWare listened to feedback and are back in business but I haven't felt like the target audience of their games for a long time now. I will need a lot of input AFTER release to decide how much money I want to gamble on it.
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Post by trengilly on Jun 14, 2024 22:48:28 GMT
I don’t really care about whether the companions are all pansexual. No, my issue is that none of them appeal to me, at least from what I’ve seen. They made Harding a little prettier but she’s still as dull as plain bread. Neve is pretty but that voice turned me off, and the less said about the Qunari or the elven lady with the beehive hairdo who I can already tell is the “quirky” romance, the better. Going to be interesting to see just how cliche the companions will be. Since it's BioWare and it's such a popular type too a socially awkward one is a given. Looks like Bellara could be the socially awkward AND quirky one. So another Merrill again? She was cute and all but need a really good personal story to sell that trope to me again (never romanced her, just as cool character). Curious if BioWare still has a virgin fetish... I can never tell who I'll end up liking the best. First few hours of BG3 I didn't really like any of them. Laezel was a racist asshole, SH was being a complete bitch for no reason. Gale the guy who talks too much and irritated the crap out of me. Astarion was hot alright but an awful resentful gremlin. I was not happy, lol. But most of them really grew on me. Going by companion profiles is always misleading. So makes no sense planning romances. Even looks don't matter too much if their personality is grating. I'll be relieved if they aren't all socially awkward crybabies like in Andromeda. My bar is really low right now for what counts an an improvement. But at the same time sky high because of BG3. Sigh. Also DAI had the highest number of companions I liked (as people or as characters). So technically their last DA game is also a high bar. I still have low expectations for the game based on their last two games. They can hype it up as much as they like. I got burned bad by Starfield, another studio I shouldn't have trusted after the shit they pulled. If it sounds too good it's a trap, lol. I really want to believe BioWare listened to feedback and are back in business but I haven't felt like the target audience of their games for a long time now. I will need a lot of input AFTER release to decide how much money I want to gamble on it. So many people missed how many of the companions personalities varied in BG3 depending on how/who/when/what your interactions with them were. SH for example can be totally friendly and not a 'bitch' toward Tav at all if you understand her situation and interact with her appropriately. But its super easy to mess up. The first time you camp if you have anyone else in the party they will have an ! over their head . . . but talking to them first makes Shadowheart suspicious and defensive. But if you talk to her first, she immediately warms up to Tav and starts to trust. But that ! over the other companion leads most players to not get this result. And many of her conversations require the player to respect her privacy or answer a question she asks (as opposed to throwing it back at her) . . . her dialogue trees are a minefield. 😉 But her Act 1 behavior perfectly fits her story situation and isn't really a result of her personality. Lae'zel is initially aggressive and yes a bit of a 'racist asshole' although that's pretty understandable given her origin. But she respects strength and decisive decisions. And you can rapidly earn her respect and soften/eliminate the 'racist' stuff by standing up to her and calling her out. Larian went out of their way to do the 'Don't judge a book by its cover' thing. Heck, 'Trust' was one of their major themes of the game.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 14, 2024 23:04:43 GMT
Going to be interesting to see just how cliche the companions will be. Since it's BioWare and it's such a popular type too a socially awkward one is a given. Looks like Bellara could be the socially awkward AND quirky one. So another Merrill again? She was cute and all but need a really good personal story to sell that trope to me again (never romanced her, just as cool character). Curious if BioWare still has a virgin fetish... I can never tell who I'll end up liking the best. First few hours of BG3 I didn't really like any of them. Laezel was a racist asshole, SH was being a complete bitch for no reason. Gale the guy who talks too much and irritated the crap out of me. Astarion was hot alright but an awful resentful gremlin. I was not happy, lol. But most of them really grew on me. Going by companion profiles is always misleading. So makes no sense planning romances. Even looks don't matter too much if their personality is grating. I'll be relieved if they aren't all socially awkward crybabies like in Andromeda. My bar is really low right now for what counts an an improvement. But at the same time sky high because of BG3. Sigh. Also DAI had the highest number of companions I liked (as people or as characters). So technically their last DA game is also a high bar. I still have low expectations for the game based on their last two games. They can hype it up as much as they like. I got burned bad by Starfield, another studio I shouldn't have trusted after the shit they pulled. If it sounds too good it's a trap, lol. I really want to believe BioWare listened to feedback and are back in business but I haven't felt like the target audience of their games for a long time now. I will need a lot of input AFTER release to decide how much money I want to gamble on it. So many people missed how many of the companions personalities varied in BG3 depending on how/who/when/what your interactions with them were. SH for example can be totally friendly and not a 'bitch' toward Tav at all if you understand her situation and interact with her appropriately. But its super easy to mess up. The first time you camp if you have anyone else in the party they will have an ! over their head . . . but talking to them first makes Shadowheart suspicious and defensive. But if you talk to her first, she immediately warms up to Tav and starts to trust. But that ! over the other companion leads most players to not get this result. And many of her conversations require the player to respect her privacy or answer a question she asks (as opposed to throwing it back at her) . . . her dialogue trees are a minefield. 😉 But her Act 1 behavior perfectly fits her story situation and isn't really a result of her personality. Lae'zel is initially aggressive and yes a bit of a 'racist asshole' although that's pretty understandable given her origin. But she respects strength and decisive decisions. And you can rapidly earn her respect and soften/eliminate the 'racist' stuff by standing up to her and calling her out. Larian went out of their way to do the 'Don't judge a book by its cover' thing. Heck, 'Trust' was one of their major themes of the game. It makes also sense that you have to thread carefully with specific dialogue lines and choices with her, considering her patron deity at the start of the game . As someone that played on PS5, and haven't played the game in EA, though, I remember reading articles that the companions all hated Tav, long before release which wasn't really my experience during my first playthrough, so I don't know if they toned down that part during development. In regards of Veilguard, I'd say that based on everything they mentioned in articles, Q&A, blogs and also Darrah's video on the name change, it's undeniable that they put a lot more focus on companions then in previous games, and they're central to this game's experience. I do expect the number of interactions overall to be increased compared to previous games, as well as bigger characters arcs. In terms of actual quality and depth, we'll see how it'll go. I do think we really saw too little to judge them so far (although the marketing team didn't make the game any favors with the montage and editing of the reveal trailer). They did mention they didn't use previous characters as a base for the new ones, but we'll see. I do have some concerns that they put too much focus on them an their arcs compared to the main plot/the rest of the game. Hopefully it won't be the case.
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Post by General Mahad on Jun 14, 2024 23:08:18 GMT
I beg to differ. There are an incredible amount of beautiful women in Dragon Age, but unfortunately we are in a middle of a cultural fad where androgynous women with square jaws, short hair, no curves and toxic masculine personalities are considered the only standard of feminine strength and beauty. Yeah, unfortunately. I guess traditional beauties don't deserve representation too. I'll do the main ones and really liked Harding in DAI even if she's as far from my type as you can get. I'm glad to see an Asian chick since I have a soft spot there...just afraid she'll end up being Peebee levels of annoying. Not touch that Qunari...shudders.The Qunari was suppose to be a tall, voluptuous woman in the previews but I guess we can’t have nice things now.
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Post by Guardian on Jun 14, 2024 23:19:12 GMT
It's not only about making sense, they actually worked on a romance path for her, and she was written as pansexual. They cut it for external reasons, allegedly due to Fox News' criticism of ME's sex scenes/Liara romance. Fox News, really? That's just sad. I do recall this, actually. A bunch of us were discussing it about four months out from ME2 being released and just shook our heads over it.
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Post by Guardian on Jun 14, 2024 23:32:53 GMT
I don’t really care about whether the companions are all pansexual. No, my issue is that none of them appeal to me, at least from what I’ve seen. They made Harding a little prettier but she’s still as dull as plain bread. Neve is pretty but that voice turned me off, and the less said about the Qunari or the elven lady with the beehive hairdo who I can already tell is the “quirky” romance, the better. I had this problem in Inquisition. Cassandra was probably the front runner, but was rather sad she was male only. Out of this cast for Veilguard, Harding is the clear winner. If I could have, I would have actually pursued her in Inquisition, but it wasn't an option.
Yeah, outside Morrigan Bioware hasn't done very good making hotties. I guess normal guys with normal tastes don't matter in the sales equation...cause you know some will not play for that reason alone. So....here's a hot take: I don't really find Morrigan that attractive. Yes, she's more attractive than Isabella, who's personality just....ugh...no. Leliana and Merrill are who the two conventionally attractive ones are (to me, at least). Morrigan is abrasive, sure, but she softens and there's beauty there. I just never got the appeal of Isabella.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 14, 2024 23:34:09 GMT
I do personally think that Taash looks different in terms of face, in the reveal trailer compared to the GI shot and the Lighthouse shot. It could be my impression, but I'm not the only one that noticed that (and there are a number that think she look better in the latter then the former).
I do think the game looks something weird depending on the screenshot and lightning. Harding look also somehow different in the Lighthouse screenshot compared to the screenshot taken from the opening gameplay.
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Post by Guardian on Jun 14, 2024 23:35:43 GMT
Going to be interesting to see just how cliche the companions will be. Since it's BioWare and it's such a popular type too a socially awkward one is a given. Looks like Bellara could be the socially awkward AND quirky one. So another Merrill again? She was cute and all but need a really good personal story to sell that trope to me again (never romanced her, just as cool character). Curious if BioWare still has a virgin fetish... I can never tell who I'll end up liking the best. First few hours of BG3 I didn't really like any of them. Laezel was a racist asshole, SH was being a complete bitch for no reason. Gale the guy who talks too much and irritated the crap out of me. Astarion was hot alright but an awful resentful gremlin. I was not happy, lol. But most of them really grew on me. Going by companion profiles is always misleading. So makes no sense planning romances. Even looks don't matter too much if their personality is grating. I'll be relieved if they aren't all socially awkward crybabies like in Andromeda. My bar is really low right now for what counts an an improvement. But at the same time sky high because of BG3. Sigh. Also DAI had the highest number of companions I liked (as people or as characters). So technically their last DA game is also a high bar. I still have low expectations for the game based on their last two games. They can hype it up as much as they like. I got burned bad by Starfield, another studio I shouldn't have trusted after the shit they pulled. If it sounds too good it's a trap, lol. I really want to believe BioWare listened to feedback and are back in business but I haven't felt like the target audience of their games for a long time now. I will need a lot of input AFTER release to decide how much money I want to gamble on it. So many people missed how many of the companions personalities varied in BG3 depending on how/who/when/what your interactions with them were. SH for example can be totally friendly and not a 'bitch' toward Tav at all if you understand her situation and interact with her appropriately. But its super easy to mess up. The first time you camp if you have anyone else in the party they will have an ! over their head . . . but talking to them first makes Shadowheart suspicious and defensive. But if you talk to her first, she immediately warms up to Tav and starts to trust. But that ! over the other companion leads most players to not get this result. And many of her conversations require the player to respect her privacy or answer a question she asks (as opposed to throwing it back at her) . . . her dialogue trees are a minefield. 😉 But her Act 1 behavior perfectly fits her story situation and isn't really a result of her personality. Lae'zel is initially aggressive and yes a bit of a 'racist asshole' although that's pretty understandable given her origin. But she respects strength and decisive decisions. And you can rapidly earn her respect and soften/eliminate the 'racist' stuff by standing up to her and calling her out. Larian went out of their way to do the 'Don't judge a book by its cover' thing. Heck, 'Trust' was one of their major themes of the game. Yeah....she really does. My friends and family (my nephews that also play this game) felt I was crazy for not even looking at Karlach or Shadowheart. Karlach I felt was nice, but...not really into muscles like that. Shadowheart ruled herself out as soon as I heard she was a cleric of Shar. But yes, Larian did go out of their way to do the whole, "Don't judge a book..." thing.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 15, 2024 0:17:58 GMT
Playersexual ruins characters whose sexual preference is a major factor of their backstory. For example: making Dorian bisexual would ruin his reason for becoming estranged from his family and leaving Tevinter. It would also remove the conflict with his father as well as its resolution. It's also copypastey. In DAO and ME even the bisexual romances have unique dialogue depending on the player's gender. With playersexuality all that changes are the pronouns. All in short, characters having different orientations have more flavor. This is why I see playersexuality as a sign that a developer is unwilling or unable to devote resources to the relationship development.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 15, 2024 0:25:19 GMT
I don’t really care about whether the companions are all pansexual. No, my issue is that none of them appeal to me, at least from what I’ve seen. They made Harding a little prettier but she’s still as dull as plain bread. Neve is pretty but that voice turned me off, and the less said about the Qunari or the elven lady with the beehive hairdo who I can already tell is the “quirky” romance, the better. I had this problem in Inquisition. Cassandra was probably the front runner, but was rather sad she was male only. Out of this cast for Veilguard, Harding is the clear winner. If I could have, I would have actually pursued her in Inquisition, but it wasn't an option.
Yeah, outside Morrigan Bioware hasn't done very good making hotties. I guess normal guys with normal tastes don't matter in the sales equation...cause you know some will not play for that reason alone. So....here's a hot take: I don't really find Morrigan that attractive. Yes, she's more attractive than Isabella, who's personality just....ugh...no. Leliana and Merrill are who the two conventionally attractive ones are (to me, at least). Morrigan is abrasive, sure, but she softens and there's beauty there. I just never got the appeal of Isabella. I was being probably overly harsh with my generalization. Leliana was nice looking...I'd say great in Inquisition. I did like Isabella but more for her irreverent attitude and liberal sexuality. Kind of felt about Merrill how you felt about Isabella. Morrigan just fits my type...I always chalked up her abrasiveness due to growing up in the wilds bereft of social interaction and a batshit crazy Flemeth as a role model. She seems to have adapted to Orlesian court and its social niceties fairly well.
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