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Post by grallon on Sept 19, 2024 15:31:30 GMT
The Character Creator is impressive in a way - however, what you can make with it still looks cartoonish... Oh well, that was the final piece of the puzzle I needed. Nope, I'll pass.
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Post by eowor on Sept 19, 2024 16:09:49 GMT
I like shadows of Mordor, but not in my Dragon Age. At least I'm convinced, this game is not for me.
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Post by bierkrug on Sept 19, 2024 16:11:01 GMT
5) ALL the Qunari appear to look like crap . . . NPC ones in addition to the Rooks. Yeah, by the looks of this Rook's face, I was expecting him to make squeaky noises. Not just Qunari though, the elves have been demoted to "human with pointy ears" now too. I miss the boldness of DA2's weird character design.
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Post by akots on Sept 19, 2024 17:40:05 GMT
A bunch of previews with comments from creators have been released today. Apparently, some selected peoples were paid by EA (not sure since only a single creator clearly told it was a paid trip) to come and play the game for 6-7 hours at a studio. Impressions are not very negative, which is reasonable considering that it may be more or less sponsored (not sure). So, I picked up some to watch and ended with looking through Fextralife, which I generally consider fair:
I then looked at Gamespot briefly
And ended up with Wolfheart's, which turned out to be quite extensive. And yes, this guy is very thorough:
IDK what to think of it objectively. My main concerns are inferior writing, if not outright bad, carttonish-smooth models and animations of player, npcs, and enemies, and downgraded KoA style of combat that seems to aim at breaking immersion as a priority. It is probably safe to assume that the narrative is stuck with largely heroic lawful good with minor deviations, which might or might not have a real impact.
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Post by bierkrug on Sept 19, 2024 19:32:46 GMT
There is a top surgery scar slider in the character creator. What the heck?
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Post by necrowaif on Sept 19, 2024 19:56:55 GMT
There is a top surgery scar slider in the character creator. What the heck? As in top of the head or bikini top?
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Post by witchcocktor on Sept 19, 2024 20:21:27 GMT
There is a top surgery scar slider in the character creator. What the heck? I was already iffy about modern gender theory being pushed into another RPG series, especially Dragon Age that has a world that is VERY gendered all things considered, but this definitely takes the cake in ridiculousness to me lmao. But it's pretty obvious that this game was not created with me in mind at all, so I'll let the new audience bask in this phenomenal, inclusive feature while I stay a miserable old man yelling at clouds in the background.
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Post by bierkrug on Sept 19, 2024 20:45:42 GMT
There is a top surgery scar slider in the character creator. What the heck? As in top of the head or bikini top? As in mastectomy scars, removal of the female breast. Which opens a whole other can of worms. Does Thedas have modern surgery now?
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Post by trengilly on Sept 19, 2024 21:33:44 GMT
Rook only has a single backstory . . . or rather all six of the different backstories are identical. They just have different flavor text depending on the faction you select.
In all cases:
Rook is Rebellious, breaks rules or doesn't follow authority.
Rook is a self sacrificing do-gooder risking their own safety and reputation to save innocent bystanders.
Rook ends up punished/expelled for their actions and is now free to join the Veilguard.
This gives me little hope that we will get real options to role play Rook however we want to.
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Post by trengilly on Sept 19, 2024 21:42:26 GMT
Wolfheart showed his gameplay where to takes Neve to help him in the intro and she ends up injured with the face bruising (that we've previously only seen on Harding).
This gives her a temporary? status effect that has three impacts: 1) She will no longer use healing magic 2) Her damaging spells do increased damage and 3) Her approval with Rook goes up more slowly
While its cool that they have these kind of effects . . .
I'm confused why the Approval would take a negative hit? From the introduction scene we have been shown both Harding and Neve volunteer to join Rook. It seems odd that if you accept their assistance they would then get pissed off at you.
I suppose its possible that the one who gets injured is actually the companion you leave behind? Although this doesn't seem likely because the game clearly warns you that whoever you select to accompany you will be put at risk.
I worry that this is a case of sloppy/inconsistent writing?
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Post by trengilly on Sept 19, 2024 21:50:02 GMT
A bunch of previews with comments from creators have been released today. Apparently, some selected peoples were paid by EA (not sure since only a single creator clearly told it was a paid trip) to come and play the game for 6-7 hours at a studio. Impressions are not very negative, which is reasonable considering that it may be more or less sponsored (not sure). So, I picked up some to watch and ended with looking through Fextralife, which I generally consider fair: IDK what to think of it objectively. My main concerns are inferior writing, if not outright bad, carttonish-smooth models and animations of player, npcs, and enemies, and downgraded KoA style of combat that seems to aim at breaking immersion as a priority. It is probably safe to assume that the narrative is stuck with largely heroic lawful good with minor deviations, which might or might not have a real impact. Yes I'm with you on concerns about the writing. Literally everything else I can live with . . . gameplay, animations, and visuals are all nice but I play role-playing games for the Story. If the writing is good then I will enjoy the game. But no matter how good everything else is . . . if the writing is bad it will ruin the experience. So far I have seen NOTHING that inspires any confidence in the writing. Literally every example of dialogue (and dialogue wheel choices) we have seen are bland, limited, or just plain bad. And there are red flags all over.
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Post by 10k on Sept 19, 2024 22:14:12 GMT
Rook is a self sacrificing do-gooder risking their own safety and reputation to save innocent bystanders. I'm so sick of playing these types of characters. I can't wait for the day morally-gray characters are popular again. Give me someone like Arthur Morgan please.
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Post by necrowaif on Sept 19, 2024 22:16:55 GMT
As in top of the head or bikini top? As in mastectomy scars, removal of the female breast. Which opens a whole other can of worms. Does Thedas have modern surgery now? Oh, I suspect so. The technology in Thedas seems to have advanced massively in the time between now and DAI, where the healers were still working on the premise that the body has humours and you could relieve illness with trepanning. Whether or not this technological leap makes sense is besides the point. Dragon Age is basically Mass Effect now, but instead of guns and mass relays, you have swords and eluvians. *Tired sigh*
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Post by bierkrug on Sept 19, 2024 22:57:25 GMT
Oh, I suspect so. The technology in Thedas seems to have advanced massively in the time between now and DAI, where the healers were still working on the premise that the body has humours and you could relieve illness with trepanning. Maybe they're just trepanning other, softer parts than the skull now... yikes.
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Post by trengilly on Sept 19, 2024 23:13:43 GMT
Rook is a self sacrificing do-gooder risking their own safety and reputation to save innocent bystanders. I'm so sick of playing these types of characters. I can't wait for the day morally-gray characters are popular again. Give me someone like Arthur Morgan please. That was one of my favorite things about Baldur's Gate 3 . . . you could do all sorts of shades of gray. Or just go totally evil. And have characters that developed over the course of the game, selfish characters growing and becoming heroes, tragic heroes that cause destruction in their misguided attempts to do the right thing, or morality tale of decent into madness.
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Post by grallon on Sept 19, 2024 23:24:58 GMT
There is a top surgery scar slider in the character creator. What the heck? I'm quite sure some will maintain that "There's no messaging in this game!" SMH
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Post by rekkampum on Sept 20, 2024 0:22:56 GMT
There is a top surgery scar slider in the character creator. What the heck? I'm quite sure some will maintain that "There's no messaging in this game!" SMH Does an optional feature no one is obligated to use when creating their character really matter that much? Like Dorian's storyline literally had Blood Magic Gay Conversion Therapy involved in it and Krem binded his breasts. Body modification scars are a far cry from forced "messaging" that isn't already established in the series. EDIT: Let's also note that operations on breasts - mainly for tumors and other ailments, etc. - goes back thousands of years IRL and none of them had advanced magic at their disposal.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 20, 2024 0:23:23 GMT
There is a top surgery scar slider in the character creator. What the heck? A "bulge" slider too.
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Post by 10k on Sept 20, 2024 1:04:32 GMT
There is a top surgery scar slider in the character creator. What the heck? A "bulge" slider too. I don't think a bulge slider is an inherently bad thing. Multiple games have done it before DA. Saints Row, and Cyberpunk2077 being two off the top of my head. Though the surgery scar slider is kinda weird. I get that people want to be seen, I guess. But how I always thought of a transgender individual, is someone who wants to be seen as the other gender. And I would assume that things like top surgery scars would cause them dysphoria. Why illustrate those scars when you want to pass as male? Also regarding trans people that I do know. When they play RPGs and want to create themselves. They just pick the gender they identify as. This is just a strange decision.
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Post by river82 on Sept 20, 2024 1:12:14 GMT
Hanako, it's not that I don't sympathize. For example, I wish Bayek (from Assassins Creed: Origins) was able to get his own sequel (maybe even trilogy). But just as I understood with that series, and Dragon Age, there was always going to be a new protagonist. I'm just not getting how this caught you off guard this much. Especially since this has been the case for three titles now. Thank you for at least being sympathetic, unlike smilesja and colfoley It’s not the fact that we aren’t playing Inquisitor, it’s the fact we have no control over them at all. So they’re going to be bastardized just like Hawke was, which is what is distressing me. I’m sure it’s going to be a good game, I just…lost all excitement for it. I sympathise also. I vastly prefer series that keep a character like Mass Effect and the Witcher over series that have a separate protagonist each game. Because I get attached to characters. It's part of the reason why I found it so hard to get connected to DA:2 after DA:O
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Post by blah23 on Sept 20, 2024 1:17:53 GMT
I don't think a bulge slider is an inherently bad thing. Multiple games have done it before DA. Saints Row, and Cyberpunk2077 being two off the top of my head. Though the surgery scar slider is kinda weird. I get that people want to be seen, I guess. But how I always thought of a transgender individual, is someone who wants to be seen as the other gender. And I would assume that things like top surgery scars would cause them dysphoria. Why illustrate those scars when you want to pass as male? Also regarding trans people that I do know. When they play RPGs and want to create themselves. They just pick the gender they identify as. This is just a strange decision. Don't forget the pronouns. What's the point of pronouns in the game? Can an NPC misgender you?
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Post by q5tyhj on Sept 20, 2024 1:18:15 GMT
I'm quite sure some will maintain that "There's no messaging in this game!" SMH Does an optional feature no one is obligated to use when creating their character really matter that much? (nope)
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Post by 10k on Sept 20, 2024 1:33:12 GMT
Don't forget the pronouns. What's the point of pronouns in the game? Can an NPC misgender you? I agree with pronouns, but only if it doesn't effect dialogue. If the game actually used the pronouns, then I don't care if someone wants to be referred to as they/them or whatever in a game they bought. The problem for me is these games never utilize the pronouns the person choose. I don't know how DAV will do it. But something tells me they will just use Rook and never use the pronoun the player chooses. And that's when I ask, what's the point of choosing a pronoun?
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Post by therevanchist25 on Sept 20, 2024 1:43:10 GMT
Man, they already lost me after Trespasser due to the Inquisitor being replaced (because screw that stupid arbitrary rule).
But holy moly, I see absolutely nothing from this product that appeals to me. It's worse than I even feared. Even the barebones basic backstories from Inquisition are gone. They've literally removed every single aspect of this series that kept me invested. No backstory flexibility, no Tapistry, no character moral leeway, nothing. The craziest part is...I'm not sure why I'm even surprised.
After Andromeda and Anthem, this result should have been obvious. But I guess I had placed too much stock in their claims that they "found their way" after the Legendary Edition. unless of course, this is what Bioware considers "their way" now. In which case, I guess after all these decades, I'm truly done with this company. Because I'm clearly not the target demographic anymore.
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Post by rekkampum on Sept 20, 2024 1:45:39 GMT
Don't forget the pronouns. What's the point of pronouns in the game? Can an NPC misgender you? I agree with pronouns, but only if it doesn't effect dialogue. If the game actually used the pronouns, then I don't care if someone wants to be referred to as they/them or whatever in a game they bought. The problem for me is these games never utilize the pronouns the person choose. I don't know how DAV will do it. But something tells me they will just use Rook and never use the pronoun the player chooses. And that's when I ask, what's the point of choosing a pronoun? There's plenty of times when they can use the pronouns when referring to Rook, i.e. in sentences about the character that happened to be gendered, not including direct dialogue to them. No different than it was when the only options were male or female in previous Bioware games, and even then sometimes they literally had special scenes that were gendered (I remember a pretty infamous one between FemShep and sexist merc leader in ME 1). Starfield and BG3 even have enemies that automatically refer to the player in the chosen gender.
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