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Post by rekkampum on Sept 20, 2024 18:27:38 GMT
I don't have a dog in the race of who BW "represents" in their CC, but is it not obvious to everyone how it's all the currently hot topic issues, like nonbinary, transsexuality, top surgery. If it's really about being inclusive, where's the amputees, ALS sufferers, blind people. Why are they not represented? FFS, it IS about pandering to a certain audience. My much bigger issue is the faction backgrounds, that does actually limit my roleplaying significantly. Give me a background that doesn't set my character's moral stance please. I can deal with a set history for my PC, but straight out telling me how they felt about what they did is an RPG nono for me. Aren't... aren't there amputees in the cast already? That seems to be a running theme amongst character designs.
I am a little more worried about faction backgrounds than I expected, but after sleeping on it, there's still enough differences there to create good roleplay options. I mean the Mourn Watch one is just wild. From watching the opening, the choice to either start a fight or take a more diplomatic approach and talk it out, are two strong starting choices to help define our Rook. And it's clear they want to parallel Solas, but how we branch off from those similarities is where we'll see the space for unique characterization.
Yes, we can literally customize our Inquisitor, who is canonically an amputee.
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Post by trengilly on Sept 20, 2024 18:36:02 GMT
For what it's worth, I did see a video with a blond female Rook with a more curvaceous figure and a thinner waist then other Rooks. I assume you mean her? P.S. I can't beleve i just spent 10 minutes of my life by taking screenshots of someone's character's ass lmao.
And I stand by my original Skepticism. This blond Rook is NOT as thicc or busty as the default female body in Baldur's Gate 3.
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Post by illuminated11 on Sept 20, 2024 18:38:57 GMT
I assume you mean her? P.S. I can't beleve i just spent 10 minutes of my life by taking screenshots of someone's character's ass lmao.
And I stand by my original Skepticism. This blond Rook is NOT as thicc or busty as the default female body in Baldur's Gate 3. Ah yes, the default body options in Baldur's Gate 3... all two of them.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 20, 2024 18:40:50 GMT
I don't have a dog in the race of who BW "represents" in their CC, but is it not obvious to everyone how it's all the currently hot topic issues, like nonbinary, transsexuality, top surgery. If it's really about being inclusive, where's the amputees, ALS sufferers, blind people. Why are they not represented? FFS, it IS about pandering to a certain audience. My much bigger issue is the faction backgrounds, that does actually limit my roleplaying significantly. Give me a background that doesn't set my character's moral stance please. I can deal with a set history for my PC, but straight out telling me how they felt about what they did is an RPG nono for me. It's all symptoms of a greater problem: "We only want you to RP how we want you to"
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Post by Reznore on Sept 20, 2024 18:41:13 GMT
I don't have a dog in the race of who BW "represents" in their CC, but is it not obvious to everyone how it's all the currently hot topic issues, like nonbinary, transsexuality, top surgery. If it's really about being inclusive, where's the amputees, ALS sufferers, blind people. Why are they not represented? FFS, it IS about pandering to a certain audience. My much bigger issue is the faction backgrounds, that does actually limit my roleplaying significantly. Give me a background that doesn't set my character's moral stance please. I can deal with a set history for my PC, but straight out telling me how they felt about what they did is an RPG nono for me. Neve is missing a lower leg. Unsurprisingly Bellara has "adhd", I knew it was coming. The Lord of Fortune are respectful and ethical pirates. Some of my neighbors are more dangerous than your average Lord of Fortune. I honeslty don't care about the CC, the chest scars are low cost same as gender stuff. Low costs, people are happy. Fine by me. But I want to play Dragon Age, a fantasy game about dramas with folks getting raised by a tyrannical mysterious swamp witch, not getting lectured and after school specialed driven by Tumblr/TikTok culture.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 20, 2024 18:42:41 GMT
I don't have a dog in the race of who BW "represents" in their CC, but is it not obvious to everyone how it's all the currently hot topic issues, like nonbinary, transsexuality, top surgery. If it's really about being inclusive, where's the amputees, ALS sufferers, blind people. Why are they not represented? FFS, it IS about pandering to a certain audience. My much bigger issue is the faction backgrounds, that does actually limit my roleplaying significantly. Give me a background that doesn't set my character's moral stance please. I can deal with a set history for my PC, but straight out telling me how they felt about what they did is an RPG nono for me. Neve is missing a lower leg. Unsurprisingly Bellara has "adhd", I knew it was coming. The Lord of Fortune are respectful and ethical pirates. Some of my neighbors are more dangerous than your average Lord of Fortune. I honeslty don't care about the CC, the chest scars are low cost same as gender stuff. Low costs, people are happy. Fine by me. But I want to play Dragon Age, a fantasy game about dramas with folks getting raised by a tyrannical mysterious swamp witch, not getting lectured and after school specialed driven by Tumblr/TikTok culture. DAO you can murder a helpless prisoner for the key was hiding.
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Post by theratpack55 on Sept 20, 2024 18:43:16 GMT
I don't have a dog in the race of who BW "represents" in their CC, but is it not obvious to everyone how it's all the currently hot topic issues, like nonbinary, transsexuality, top surgery. If it's really about being inclusive, where's the amputees, ALS sufferers, blind people. Why are they not represented? FFS, it IS about pandering to a certain audience. My much bigger issue is the faction backgrounds, that does actually limit my roleplaying significantly. Give me a background that doesn't set my character's moral stance please. I can deal with a set history for my PC, but straight out telling me how they felt about what they did is an RPG nono for me. Aren't... aren't there amputees in the cast already? That seems to be a re-occuring motif amongst character designs.
I am a little more worried about faction backgrounds than I expected, but after sleeping on it, there's still enough differences there to create good roleplay options. I mean the Mourn Watch one is just wild. From watching the opening, the choice to either start a fight or take a more diplomatic approach and talk it out, are two strong starting choices to help define our Rook. And it's clear they want to parallel Solas, but how we branch off from those similarities is where we'll see the space for unique characterization.
I mean the CC, you can't "represent" yourself as an amputee there. What I'm trying to say is not that representation is bad, but that BW is only representing certain people, the ones who are very visible rn, and that makes me look very cynically upon them. Obviously, you can't have an option for every problem we face as real people, but addressing and advertising these very specific ones is hard PR money-making strategy, rather than inclusion. More OT, I believe since the theme is supposed to be "regret", that would open many more options for our Rook to have done something bad in the past, but anyway, the actual actions should have been left to the imagination and rp of the player. I like to be a fairly blank slate shaped by my choices in rpgs, rather than a set nice protagonist given the option to save A or B and being all broken up about it in cutscenes. And as for the Solas comparison, I don't think any of our Rook's blunders could be compared to his, so it feels a little weak to me.
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Post by Reznore on Sept 20, 2024 18:43:49 GMT
Neve is missing a lower leg. Unsurprisingly Bellara has "adhd", I knew it was coming. The Lord of Fortune are respectful and ethical pirates. Some of my neighbors are more dangerous than your average Lord of Fortune. I honeslty don't care about the CC, the chest scars are low cost same as gender stuff. Low costs, people are happy. Fine by me. But I want to play Dragon Age, a fantasy game about dramas with folks getting raised by a tyrannical mysterious swamp witch, not getting lectured and after school specialed driven by Tumblr/TikTok culture. DAO you can murder a helpless prisoner for the key was hiding. I know I played a city elf maniac. She scared me (and Alistair).
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Post by trengilly on Sept 20, 2024 18:45:10 GMT
Just a gentle reminder to folks . . . that this is the Skepticism thread.
Its our safe space to air out things that we are concerned about.
We aren't looking for argument (at least I'm not).
I'm not going to the Hype thread and trying to downplay people's enthusiasm.
Please let us wallow in our own Skepticism! 🤣
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Post by Iakus on Sept 20, 2024 18:51:26 GMT
Just a gentle reminder to folks . . . that this is the Skepticism thread. Its our safe space to air out things that we are concerned about. We aren't looking for argument (at least I'm not). I'm not going to the Hype thread and trying to downplay people's enthusiasm. Please let us wallow in our own Skepticism! 🤣 I prefer to think of it as our "free speech zone" away from the "How DARE THEY" crowd
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Post by illuminated11 on Sept 20, 2024 18:52:08 GMT
Aren't... aren't there amputees in the cast already? That seems to be a re-occuring motif amongst character designs.
I am a little more worried about faction backgrounds than I expected, but after sleeping on it, there's still enough differences there to create good roleplay options. I mean the Mourn Watch one is just wild. From watching the opening, the choice to either start a fight or take a more diplomatic approach and talk it out, are two strong starting choices to help define our Rook. And it's clear they want to parallel Solas, but how we branch off from those similarities is where we'll see the space for unique characterization.
I mean the CC, you can't "represent" yourself as an amputee there. What I'm trying to say is not that representation is bad, but that BW is only representing certain people, the ones who are very visible rn, and that makes me look very cynically upon them. Obviously, you can't have an option for every problem we face as real people, but addressing and advertising these very specific ones is hard PR money-making strategy, rather than inclusion. More OT, I believe since the theme is supposed to be "regret", that would open many more options for our Rook to have done something bad in the past, but anyway, the actual actions should have been left to the imagination and rp of the player. I like to be a fairly blank slate shaped by my choices in rpgs, rather than a set nice protagonist given the option to save A or B and being all broken up about it in cutscenes. And as for the Solas comparison, I don't think any of our Rook's blunders could be compared to his, so it feels a little weak to me. Ah yes, because as everyone knows, having trans people in your game is the secret sauce to mass profit. Ffs this is such a brain dead take, states like Texas have made it borderline illegal to be trans and you have the audacity to call it a PR stunt. It couldn't possibly be because the writers are genderqueer or transgender and want the option to express themselves and give people like them a similar chance to express themselves. No, it's all a ploy to make more money. As opposed to giving your character a classic hour glass figure, the epitome of controversial choices that would surely leave the masses up in arms. What a fucking joke.
Your Inquisitor can be an amputee, having to model new weapon animations is an understandable constraint for certain disabilities. There are ways outside of CC to showcase such matters, and do so in a more controlled fashion to actually focus on them in the narrative. As opposed to giving someone the option to be blind and then never addressing it in-game because it would need to be written differently.
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Post by jennica on Sept 20, 2024 18:52:13 GMT
I assume you mean her? P.S. I can't beleve i just spent 10 minutes of my life by taking screenshots of someone's character's ass lmao.
And I stand by my original Skepticism. This blond Rook is NOT as thicc or busty as the default female body in Baldur's Gate 3. I'm sorry but if default fem body in BG3 looks even remotely thicc or busty to you, then i'm not sure what's your problem with this blond Rook. If anything it looks like she has wider hips and bigger ass.
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 20, 2024 18:57:50 GMT
The facial animations are quite concerning. I've seen a few with Neve and Harding and it is really hard to not notice. Unbelievable how uninspired and similar are all the background origins, they aren't even diverse while all heroic. It's just the same " Rook saved a few folks against orders but it had consequences " Very disappointed with the warden's background. Very disappointed with all the backgrounds, we are close to laziness at this point. What if I wanted to roleplay a selfish ot ruthlesss character ? As for the CC. Full of hypocrisy as usual. They keep talking about being inclusive but they always have to exclude a demographic or something that are opposite to their weird beliefs in their actions. Lately, everything that is feminine or close to a traditional woman to them has to be eradicated or twisted. Female characters have to look androgynous, muscular or manly, some bizarre ideology in the western video game industry lately. The same as ubisoft, starfield. Having trans things is OK, he/she/them, i don't know. However, we are not okay for big chests for women. They all have to get small tits. They said " you can be whatever the hell you want " Bellara looks terrible. My god, her face is so weird.
Yep... Didn't buy into what Busche and co. said about the CC and inclusivity. Bio says what ypu want to hear but give no specificity... and voila we have a CC that limited. The default faces are ugly. But, I must admit that dwarf female faces could be ugly to humans but look how Bio made Harding. That Glute slider at 100% (video) showed little "improvement.
Now, I wonder if the chars in this game were all made via the CC.
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Post by rekkampum on Sept 20, 2024 18:58:23 GMT
I mean the CC, you can't "represent" yourself as an amputee there. What I'm trying to say is not that representation is bad, but that BW is only representing certain people, the ones who are very visible rn, and that makes me look very cynically upon them. Obviously, you can't have an option for every problem we face as real people, but addressing and advertising these very specific ones is hard PR money-making strategy, rather than inclusion. More OT, I believe since the theme is supposed to be "regret", that would open many more options for our Rook to have done something bad in the past, but anyway, the actual actions should have been left to the imagination and rp of the player. I like to be a fairly blank slate shaped by my choices in rpgs, rather than a set nice protagonist given the option to save A or B and being all broken up about it in cutscenes. And as for the Solas comparison, I don't think any of our Rook's blunders could be compared to his, so it feels a little weak to me. Ah yes, because as everyone knows, having trans people in your game is the secret sauce to mass profit. Ffs this is such a brain dead take, states like Texas have made it borderline illegal to be trans and you have the audacity to call it a PR stunt. It couldn't possibly be because the writers are genderqueer or transgender and want the option to express themselves and give people like them a similar chance to express themselves. No, it's all a ploy to make more money. What a fucking joke.
Your Inquisitor can be an amputee, having to model new weapon animations is an understandable constraint for certain disabilities. There are ways outside of CC to showcase such matters, and do so in a more controlled fashion to actually focus on them in the narrative. As opposed to giving someone the option to be blind and then never addressing it in-game because it would need to be written differently.
I really hope they don't give our Inquisitor the shaft in that respect since I see they were creative with Neve. I wonder if their combat class will include different prosthetic types? We already saw one in the Red Jenny slide in the Trespasser epilogue referenced, so I'm curious if they've modeled one for mages and of course warriors; the latter already has a RL reference they could use as well.
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Post by illuminated11 on Sept 20, 2024 19:01:25 GMT
Ah yes, because as everyone knows, having trans people in your game is the secret sauce to mass profit. Ffs this is such a brain dead take, states like Texas have made it borderline illegal to be trans and you have the audacity to call it a PR stunt. It couldn't possibly be because the writers are genderqueer or transgender and want the option to express themselves and give people like them a similar chance to express themselves. No, it's all a ploy to make more money. What a fucking joke.
Your Inquisitor can be an amputee, having to model new weapon animations is an understandable constraint for certain disabilities. There are ways outside of CC to showcase such matters, and do so in a more controlled fashion to actually focus on them in the narrative. As opposed to giving someone the option to be blind and then never addressing it in-game because it would need to be written differently.
I really hope they don't give our Inquisitor the shaft in that respect since I see they were creative with Neve. I wonder if their combat class will include different prosthetic types? We already saw one in the Red Jenny slide in the Trespasser epilogue referenced, so I'm curious if they've modeled one for mages and of course warriors; the latter already has a RL reference they could use as well. Yeah the glimpse we saw of our Inquisitor, the prosthetic they used looked very life like, which was a little strange. We'll just have to wait and see, we have no way of knowing currently. A lot about Inquisitor is up in the air and could easily go sideways, depending on how they're written.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 20, 2024 19:03:32 GMT
I mean the CC, you can't "represent" yourself as an amputee there. What I'm trying to say is not that representation is bad, but that BW is only representing certain people, the ones who are very visible rn, and that makes me look very cynically upon them. Obviously, you can't have an option for every problem we face as real people, but addressing and advertising these very specific ones is hard PR money-making strategy, rather than inclusion. More OT, I believe since the theme is supposed to be "regret", that would open many more options for our Rook to have done something bad in the past, but anyway, the actual actions should have been left to the imagination and rp of the player. I like to be a fairly blank slate shaped by my choices in rpgs, rather than a set nice protagonist given the option to save A or B and being all broken up about it in cutscenes. And as for the Solas comparison, I don't think any of our Rook's blunders could be compared to his, so it feels a little weak to me. Ah yes, because as everyone knows, having trans people in your game is the secret sauce to mass profit. Ffs this is such a brain dead take, states like Texas have made it borderline illegal to be trans and you have the audacity to call it a PR stunt. It couldn't possibly be because the writers are genderqueer or transgender and want the option to express themselves and give people like them a similar chance to express themselves. No, it's all a ploy to make more money. What a fucking joke.
Like I said, the "HOW DARE THEY!" crowd.
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Post by rekkampum on Sept 20, 2024 19:10:42 GMT
Aren't... aren't there amputees in the cast already? That seems to be a re-occuring motif amongst character designs.
I am a little more worried about faction backgrounds than I expected, but after sleeping on it, there's still enough differences there to create good roleplay options. I mean the Mourn Watch one is just wild. From watching the opening, the choice to either start a fight or take a more diplomatic approach and talk it out, are two strong starting choices to help define our Rook. And it's clear they want to parallel Solas, but how we branch off from those similarities is where we'll see the space for unique characterization.
More OT, I believe since the theme is supposed to be "regret", that would open many more options for our Rook to have done something bad in the past, but anyway, the actual actions should have been left to the imagination and rp of the player. I like to be a fairly blank slate shaped by my choices in rpgs, rather than a set nice protagonist given the option to save A or B and being all broken up about it in cutscenes. And as for the Solas comparison, I don't think any of our Rook's blunders could be compared to his, so it feels a little weak to me. If they aren't giving us more of an ability to RP characteristics of our Rook's history that's definitely disappointing.
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Post by illuminated11 on Sept 20, 2024 19:11:58 GMT
The other concern I have is what choices will carry over from past games. Rumors are there will only be four choices and they all relate to Inquisition. Specifically in regards to Morrigan, since her characterization is actually quite different if she has Kieran as opposed to not having him. Most of Origins choices can be handwaved by being in a different region and massive time gap, but that's not one of them. I don't really expect him to show up in the game given quantum issues, but I'd like the option to discuss him with her.
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Post by dagless on Sept 20, 2024 19:12:32 GMT
There’s plenty I’m sceptical about.
How will the game world and level design work? Will there be much in the way of exploration, random characters to meet, side quests to stumble onto, etc. Will the combat and skill system be fun and interesting? How much will choices matter? Etc.
One thing that doesn’t make even the lowest tier of my potential concerns is whether I can make a character with big enough tits.
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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Sept 20, 2024 19:13:25 GMT
I don't have a dog in the race of who BW "represents" in their CC, but is it not obvious to everyone how it's all the currently hot topic issues, like nonbinary, transsexuality, top surgery. If it's really about being inclusive, where's the amputees, ALS sufferers, blind people. Why are they not represented? FFS, it IS about pandering to a certain audience. My much bigger issue is the faction backgrounds, that does actually limit my roleplaying significantly. Give me a background that doesn't set my character's moral stance please. I can deal with a set history for my PC, but straight out telling me how they felt about what they did is an RPG nono for me. It's all symptoms of a greater problem: "We only want you to RP how we want you to" This has been my biggest concern, and now it seems like reality.
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Post by rekkampum on Sept 20, 2024 19:17:08 GMT
The other concern I have is what choices will carry over from past games. Rumors are there will only be four choices and they all relate to Inquisition. Specifically in regards to Morrigan, since her characterization is actually quite different if she has Kieran as opposed to not having him. Most of Origins choices can be handwaved by being in a different region and massive time gap, but that's not one of them. I don't really expect him to show up in the game given quantum issues, but I'd like the option to discuss him with her. ONLY FOUR!? Losing the Keep was one of my biggest frustrations when I was hearing details about the game. I mean I get that it would be a coding nightmare to try to account for every variable, but there are still a lot of them that have significance plotwise. Origins alone has several.
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Post by illuminated11 on Sept 20, 2024 19:18:44 GMT
The other concern I have is what choices will carry over from past games. Rumors are there will only be four choices and they all relate to Inquisition. Specifically in regards to Morrigan, since her characterization is actually quite different if she has Kieran as opposed to not having him. Most of Origins choices can be handwaved by being in a different region and massive time gap, but that's not one of them. I don't really expect him to show up in the game given quantum issues, but I'd like the option to discuss him with her. ONLY FOUR!? Losing the Keep was one of my biggest frustrations when I was hearing details about the game. I mean I get that it would be a coding nightmare to try to account for every variable, but there are still a lot of them that have significance plotwise. Origins alone has several. It's not confirmed right now, but yes that's what some people are saying. I get wanting to move away from the Keep since it's a little clunky, but this would be fairly disappointing fallback.
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Post by bierkrug on Sept 20, 2024 19:20:59 GMT
It couldn't possibly be because the writers are genderqueer or transgender and want the option to express themselves and give people like them a similar chance to express themselves. Maybe these guys should be aware that they are making a commercial product that needs to be appealing to a bigger crowd instead of making their personal wish fullfilment fantasies.
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Post by rekkampum on Sept 20, 2024 19:23:27 GMT
ONLY FOUR!? Losing the Keep was one of my biggest frustrations when I was hearing details about the game. I mean I get that it would be a coding nightmare to try to account for every variable, but there are still a lot of them that have significance plotwise. Origins alone has several. It's not confirmed right now, but yes that's what some people are saying. I remember spending hours in that app creating unique profile photos, writing backstories, some I used to share on the old forums in the character discussion thread, everything. So yeah, I was crushed when I found they were discontinuing the Keep for the sequel. Then again, given how buggy it's been I'm sadly not surprised. I really hope it's just a rumor that doesn't have all the details to it because this is sounding like a repeat of the ME2 interactive comic they did for new players.
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Post by theratpack55 on Sept 20, 2024 19:24:02 GMT
I mean the CC, you can't "represent" yourself as an amputee there. What I'm trying to say is not that representation is bad, but that BW is only representing certain people, the ones who are very visible rn, and that makes me look very cynically upon them. Obviously, you can't have an option for every problem we face as real people, but addressing and advertising these very specific ones is hard PR money-making strategy, rather than inclusion. More OT, I believe since the theme is supposed to be "regret", that would open many more options for our Rook to have done something bad in the past, but anyway, the actual actions should have been left to the imagination and rp of the player. I like to be a fairly blank slate shaped by my choices in rpgs, rather than a set nice protagonist given the option to save A or B and being all broken up about it in cutscenes. And as for the Solas comparison, I don't think any of our Rook's blunders could be compared to his, so it feels a little weak to me. Ah yes, because as everyone knows, having trans people in your game is the secret sauce to mass profit. Ffs this is such a brain dead take, states like Texas have made it borderline illegal to be trans and you have the audacity to call it a PR stunt. It couldn't possibly be because the writers are genderqueer or transgender and want the option to express themselves and give people like them a similar chance to express themselves. No, it's all a ploy to make more money. As opposed to giving your character a classic hour glass figure, the epitome of controversial choices that would surely leave the masses up in arms. What a fucking joke.
Your Inquisitor can be an amputee, having to model new weapon animations is an understandable constraint for certain disabilities. There are ways outside of CC to showcase such matters, and do so in a more controlled fashion to actually focus on them in the narrative. As opposed to giving someone the option to be blind and then never addressing it in-game because it would need to be written differently.
I'm not from the US, so maybe I'm not getting some country-specific things, but then why are some issues represented over others? I'm not trying to be contrary, it genuinely feels to me like very specific problems are represented, in how you, the player character, can present yourself in VG. And I do admit I'd rather all those were skipped in favor of rpg reactivity and the option to play a character whose outlook is dependent on the player's choices, but that's a separate issue, more to do with the Solas situation.
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