Mass Effect Legendary Edition (General Discussion)

I didn’t realise how linear it was before... it is ME3’s “fuck your roleplay and fuck logic” in ME2. Guess it was the warning shot to the mess ME3 would be. No one really paid attention at launch.....

Says the rabid ME3 defender.

And the “joy” of playing through earth, mars, and Palaven again.... the LE is really exposing ME3 as a mediocre at best game. It badly needs a remake.

Hey speak for yourself.

Mars is one of the best missions in the series.

You mean that bad start that only is bad because ME2 did fuck all to advance or move the story in any logical or coherent way? With only slight exaggeration you can jump from ME1 to ME3 and have roughly the same idea what is going on.

The best "Take Back Earth" Mass Effect:

It was Conrad that pullled Shepard from the rubble. He became Shepard's hero. After that, Conrad wrote two books that went on to be best sellers, Being the #1 Fan, and How I Rescued Commander Shepard.

And yet ME2 didn’t have my Shepard suffering forced PTSD over a brat, snapping at Joker, and being a run down cynic... all without my choice. It let me decide how I felt even if some plot points are assumed such as accepting help from Cerberus.

The stats and skills are window dressing to true roleplaying. ME1 and ME2 let me have the agency and mold Shepard to a fairly wide degree. ME3 merely let me play a Shepard they decided on. There is a reason I hate the Witcher franchise. It’s action/adventure with light roleplaying.

Also, ME2 “doing fuck all” is on the shit writing in ME3. There were threads to follow. ME3 followed none of them. Hell, ME3 ruined Soveriegn with its explanations. There was some continuity from 1 to 2 then 3 cane along and went “nope! I’m an edgy artistic war story that somehow ends thinking it’s Deus Ex!”.

ME3 failed the first two games.

Also, saw this and laughed. Maybe my new head canon.

I think it's the other way round. ME1 and ME3 failed ME2. After all, it is the best received game in the trilogy.

ME 2 was my first real disappointment from Bioware. RPG mechanics were cut to the bone, and followed up on almost nothing from ME1. It actually felt as much like a soft reboot as Andromeda to me.

And the railroading, ugh! I trashed a half dozen or so Cerberus bases, but my Shepard jins up with them with barely a word of protest! ANd the justifications of Horizon were pathetic. One of the few nice things I'll say about ME3 is that the confrontation with the VS on Mars, while still largely autodialogue, at least made more sense than Horizon!

Oh, and the whole "Dirty Dozen in Space" that they marketed the game on proves that NO ONE on the team either read the book or watched the movie. FIrst you find out what needs to be done, THEN you assemble the team to do it!

I understand that.


Even as a sole survivor, usually, Shepard, I do get that we were brought back from the dead. That doesn't justify Cerberus' actions, but, you know, if someone were ever to gain some favour from me, not being dead would definitely do that. And I get it, the whole "I don't control everything" excuse TIM gives us is hardly convincing, but we can play along, to find out what's going on, as this is a unique opportunity for both Shepard and the player. I mean, shit, we could just say "nah, I'm out", but the only game that accommodates that, to my knowledge, is the Mario RPG and it just gives you a game over screen. So other than not making this game, I don't see how else you can go about it.


I think that has much more to go with how unreasonably angry the VS is and a lot of things are said in the heat of the moment, that sometimes won't leave much room for discussion. Not that things can't be said, but sometimes, people need some time to process stuff. Could you write the VS to not be so unreasonable? Sure. But I'd argue you exhibit the same distaste for working with Cerberus as the VS does, which tells me that, to a degree, you understand their position and even share it. So I don't think their reaction is that exaggerated.


While true, you don't know what you will come across in the SM, because nobody's been on the Collectors' Base. Unlike the Dirty Dozen, where they have intelligence what they are going to need. So Shepard needs to prepare for any case and make it double, so in the event of one specialist's demise, a second will take his place. Which is why some characters are superfluous.