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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Jul 15, 2021 1:32:36 GMT
You'll have to forgive me because the only character that I feel got slightly twisted by the arm in ME3 in comparison to ME2's TIM himself.
Although I have lots of issues with the Trilogy on the whole.
I have never had one with the writing of the crew apart from arguably Jacob and Ashley who both got warped by the end into something else entirely.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2021 13:15:30 GMT
Ladder bug in Leviathan: Rescue Ann Bryson is still there (on Xbox One at least).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2021 20:34:00 GMT
Ladder bug in Leviathan: Rescue Ann Bryson is still there (on Xbox One at least). This one will occur occasionally on PC as well. In general, their ladder coding is horrible. The ladder waypoint is not specific enough in the flags set - far too many collisions on ladders when an AI NPC (other human in MP) is trying to use the same ladder. Another case of Legendary Cash Grab, not so Legendary Edition. So glad I saved my money at this point.
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Post by dazk on Jul 16, 2021 1:02:03 GMT
Ladder bug in Leviathan: Rescue Ann Bryson is still there (on Xbox One at least). Not sure I have experienced that in MET or MELE but man it was a curse in The Division 1.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 16, 2021 1:29:19 GMT
After just finishing the excellent Citadel DLC honestly, I think I'm good with missing out on Kelly Chambers, frankly they appeared to be traumatized by their experience at the Collector Base and with no option to invite them to the party I get the feeling they ultimately rank more as an acquaintance than a close friend to Shepard even if a very friendly one. Well I find Kelly better than Traynor whom I felt the game was trying waayyyy too hard for her to be useful.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 1:29:37 GMT
Ladder bug in Leviathan: Rescue Ann Bryson is still there (on Xbox One at least). This one will occur occasionally on PC as well. In general, their ladder coding is horrible. The ladder waypoint is not specific enough in the flags set - far too many collisions on ladders when an AI NPC (other human in MP) is trying to use the same ladder. Another case of Legendary Cash Grab, not so Legendary Edition. So glad I saved my money at this point. It's been awhile since I played any MP, but I think I remember it being bad on one of the maps. In the particular spot it happens in the Rescue Ann Bryson quest, I was half expecting them to just remove the ladder... after all Shepard jumps down about the same distance when he's following Anderson at the start of the game. I think, though, part of the problem is that there's a trigger point around there that starts the Marauders spawning.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 16, 2021 1:55:43 GMT
So what's this I hear about a "Legendary Save"?
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jul 16, 2021 6:54:16 GMT
It's been awhile since I played any MP, but I think I remember it being bad on one of the maps. In the particular spot it happens in the Rescue Ann Bryson quest, I was half expecting them to just remove the ladder... after all Shepard jumps down about the same distance when he's following Anderson at the start of the game. I think, though, part of the problem is that there's a trigger point around there that starts the Marauders spawning. Yeah its funny how clumsy the movement system is in me3(+mp). You cannot drop down and have to use ladders to get down, and a small drop will make you lose control of your character immediately. The ladders are slow to traverse like most of movements in it. Primitive stuff compared to even something released at that time back then.. Maybe it all speaks how fast the game was made.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 16, 2021 7:26:31 GMT
Traynor is five bazillion times better then Kelly #sorrynotsorry.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 16, 2021 7:58:15 GMT
After just finishing the excellent Citadel DLC honestly, I think I'm good with missing out on Kelly Chambers, frankly they appeared to be traumatized by their experience at the Collector Base and with no option to invite them to the party I get the feeling they ultimately rank more as an acquaintance than a close friend to Shepard even if a very friendly one. Well I find Kelly better than Traynor whom I felt the game was trying waayyyy too hard for her to be useful. And she’s not even that useful. All the useful things she does, EDI did most of the work. Sam just takes credit for it. Meanwhile Kelly and later Suvi just do their jobs without making a big deal out of it.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 16, 2021 11:27:06 GMT
Well I find Kelly better than Traynor whom I felt the game was trying waayyyy too hard for her to be useful. And she’s not even that useful. All the useful things she does, EDI did most of the work. Sam just takes credit for it. Really? She found the ex-Cerberus scientists. The platform gives Traynor credit for tracking down the pony tail. Ah yes Kelly. Commander, you have a new message. Commander you have a new message. And the most annoying thing is she constantly will say throughout the game, there's a message for you. I think it's from Anderson, if the Commander ignores the message. Commander I think you want to talk to a character. Commander, one of the characters want to talk to you.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 16, 2021 17:56:54 GMT
Traynor is five bazillion times better then Kelly #sorrynotsorry.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 16, 2021 18:09:27 GMT
Traynor is five bazillion times better then Kelly #sorrynotsorry. ok ten bazillion.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 16, 2021 19:05:38 GMT
Traynor is five bazillion times better then Kelly #sorrynotsorry. She's better at being worse, I'll grant you that.
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Post by Sundance31us on Jul 16, 2021 19:13:36 GMT
<watches Traynor vs. Kelly debate>
I liked them both equally.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 16, 2021 21:42:03 GMT
Traynor is five bazillion times better then Kelly #sorrynotsorry. She's better at being worse, I'll grant you that. You're only saying that because Bioware short changed Chambers in ME3. Of course a lot of us can say the same for some of the other ME2 characters particularly the squadmates. You're also peeved that she wasn't in the Citadel dlc or in the third flashback as Shepard chooses whatever ending. I have posted a couple ways she could have been on the SR2 in ME3, and possibly show up on the SR2 in ME4, if there's to be a sequel to ME3. If anything, there should be a big uproar about the Honorable Mr. Rupert Gardner, the greatest chef in the universe. He's the true hero of ME2. He kept everyone's bellies full. That guy was completely forgotten in ME3. That would be a good reason to have ME4. To bring back Mr. Gardner.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 17, 2021 3:00:53 GMT
She's better at being worse, I'll grant you that. You're only saying that because Bioware short changed Chambers in ME3. Of course a lot of us can say the same for some of the other ME2 characters particularly the squadmates. You're also peeved that she wasn't in the Citadel dlc or in the third flashback as Shepard chooses whatever ending. I have posted a couple ways she could have been on the SR2 in ME3, and possibly show up on the SR2 in ME4, if there's to be a sequel to ME3. If anything, there should be a big uproar about the Honorable Mr. Rupert Gardner, the greatest chef in the universe. He's the true hero of ME2. He kept everyone's bellies full. That guy was completely forgotten in ME3. That would be a good reason to have ME4. To bring back Mr. Gardner. No, I’m saying that because she isn’t as good a character. I like Sam, but she’s not better than Kelly nor as good as the game tries to paint her as.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 17, 2021 11:24:49 GMT
You're only saying that because Bioware short changed Chambers in ME3. Of course a lot of us can say the same for some of the other ME2 characters particularly the squadmates. You're also peeved that she wasn't in the Citadel dlc or in the third flashback as Shepard chooses whatever ending. I have posted a couple ways she could have been on the SR2 in ME3, and possibly show up on the SR2 in ME4, if there's to be a sequel to ME3. If anything, there should be a big uproar about the Honorable Mr. Rupert Gardner, the greatest chef in the universe. He's the true hero of ME2. He kept everyone's bellies full. That guy was completely forgotten in ME3. That would be a good reason to have ME4. To bring back Mr. Gardner. No, I’m saying that because she isn’t as good a character. I like Sam, but she’s not better than Kelly nor as good as the game tries to paint her as. Yet you have posted a number of times before how you didn't like that Chambers wasn't in the dlc. What does the game paint Samantha as? You posted she takes credit for something the platform did most of the work which is incorrect. If anything, it's Shepard and the platform that give her credit for stuff. Shepard does it a few times throughout the game. I would say that's impressive for someone who has never been on a warship. She held her own. By the time the fleets head to earth, her backbone has grown a bit. Overall Sam did well.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 17, 2021 18:38:41 GMT
No, I’m saying that because she isn’t as good a character. I like Sam, but she’s not better than Kelly nor as good as the game tries to paint her as. Yet you have posted a number of times before how you didn't like that Chambers wasn't in the dlc. What does the game paint Samantha as? You posted she takes credit for something the platform did most of the work which is incorrect. If anything, it's Shepard and the platform that give her credit for stuff. Shepard does it a few times throughout the game. I would say that's impressive for someone who has never been on a warship. She held her own. By the time the fleets head to earth, her backbone has grown a bit. Overall Sam did well. not to mention this indicates actual character growth. In all seriousness Traynor is probably my second favorite of the Normandy support personnel...Kelly is my least.
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Post by sugarless on Jul 17, 2021 23:02:09 GMT
Yet you have posted a number of times before how you didn't like that Chambers wasn't in the dlc. What does the game paint Samantha as? You posted she takes credit for something the platform did most of the work which is incorrect. If anything, it's Shepard and the platform that give her credit for stuff. Shepard does it a few times throughout the game. I would say that's impressive for someone who has never been on a warship. She held her own. By the time the fleets head to earth, her backbone has grown a bit. Overall Sam did well. not to mention this indicates actual character growth. In all seriousness Traynor is probably my second favorite of the Normandy support personnel...Kelly is my least. Agreed.
Every time I have to walk past Chambers in ME2 I always hope that my cursor doesn't trigger her so that I would have to listen to her lame-ass observations about the crew. Ugh.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jul 17, 2021 23:21:00 GMT
<watches Traynor vs. Kelly debate>
I liked them both equally. Agreed both are fine characters.
Unlike Diana Allers who deserves much more attention in those discussions. Jeez now that´s a terrible character.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 18, 2021 0:24:05 GMT
not to mention this indicates actual character growth. In all seriousness Traynor is probably my second favorite of the Normandy support personnel...Kelly is my least. Agreed.
Every time I have to walk past Chambers in ME2 I always hope that my cursor doesn't trigger her so that I would have to listen to her lame-ass observations about the crew. Ugh. Now now. . I can't really think of a single character in the Trilogy, at least in the main cast, that I dislike that much to do that. Though besides revenge sometimes is a lot sweeter when you do. If you dislike her that much just talk to her and tell her you'll drop her....its doing wonders for me and Liara. <watches Traynor vs. Kelly debate>
I liked them both equally. Agreed both are fine characters.
Unlike Diana Allers who deserves much more attention in those discussions. Jeez now that´s a terrible character.
I forget about her so much I forget she can technically qualify for this conversation. My Shepard always leaves her on the Citadel.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 18, 2021 1:37:01 GMT
<watches Traynor vs. Kelly debate>
I liked them both equally. Agreed both are fine characters.
Unlike Diana Allers who deserves much more attention in those discussions. Jeez now that´s a terrible character.
Considering what a minor and harmless character she is I still don't get the hate directed towards her.
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Post by Sundance31us on Jul 18, 2021 1:54:13 GMT
Agreed both are fine characters. Unlike Diana Allers who deserves much more attention in those discussions. Jeez now that´s a terrible character. Considering what a minor and harmless character she is I still don't get the hate directed towards her. Going back to the original release and complaints on the official BSN... Allers was included with the game and Javik had to be obtained thought a DLC. They felt that time spent adding Allers could have been used to include Javik. Note: This was the most common complaint as I recall.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 18, 2021 2:15:46 GMT
Considering what a minor and harmless character she is I still don't get the hate directed towards her. Going back to the original release and complaints on the official BSN... Allers was included with the game and Javik had to be obtained thought a DLC. They felt that time spent adding Allers could have been used to include Javik. Note: This was the most common complaint as I recall. That sounds about right as an origin of the complaint. But you could swap Allers for anyone else and it would still play out the same way. Which is why I don't get the continued hate or dislike. The character position only exists to gain or lose some bonus EMS.
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