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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 18, 2021 22:18:55 GMT
Of course some fans don´t like the ME 3 MP but for most people this would be a nice announcement.
I don't know if I would count on it.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 18, 2021 22:25:30 GMT
Amazing thought it might seem to some, personal attacks and insults...still not allowed.
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Lack of news, prolonged Bioware absence from the spotlight and lack of engagement from their staff with the community does that. Not that I'm looking forward to Bioware content, honestly.
The amount of news and engagement is exactly what I would expect for a ten year old game. Diana REALLY should've thought that her opinion would bring down the morale of the Normandy crew. Sure it's her opinion but during wartime when your SPECIES IS GETTING WIPED OUT, she really should consider the consequences of what she's saying. Indeed. My Dad taught me someone has a right to their opinion but we do not have to provide them a place to say it. ... and the game honors that, as well as the opposing view. Each Shepard can either side with Allers or Copeland on the matter... letting the piece air or squelching it. As far as I know, it's even a consequence-free decision.. not affect War Assets or paragon/renegade dialogue opportunities. I'm at a loss as to why it's turned into such a heated argument here.
As to whether or not she belongs on the ship... the game also gives us a free choice in the matter, along with the ability to change our minds at any point during the game. Personally, I keep her on board simply because she's the one who is thinking about giving Shepard a proper wake at the end. I just wish they had incorporated that idea into the ending slides... you know everyone raising a glass in Shepard's memory, regardless of whether or not there's a breath scene involved... after all it worked for John Jamieson:
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 18, 2021 22:32:48 GMT
This thread sure goes to some interesting places... Most threads on BSN tend to from what I've noticed.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jul 18, 2021 22:39:57 GMT
1. That’s not what I said at all. Also ironic since you think her giving her opinion is the same as denying the Holocaust. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. It´s pretty ironic that you can´t have seen my comparison as ironic. Of course its not the same. Jeez do i really have to use an irony smiley every time. Which group? Also i believe its against the Forum rules to allow hate crimes (denying the Holocaust is a pretty mayor one) You are aware that Neo Nazis exist in Germany and all of Europe? Edit: Also Everywhere.
But most of european and also russian societies won´t allow them to mock the past with their criminal view that Shoah have never happen. The victims of nazism are deserving much more respect so screw those denyers.
So without any doubt i strongly believe that most europeans do a better job in this case than the americans with their freedom of speech view of things. Or are there any people in America who were doubting that Pearl Harbor has ever happened? You don´t get it. Diana can maybe (a big maybe) say this in private but in public? And that´s the difference between her and Garrus. She should never be allowed to say this in a show watched by millions or billions.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 18, 2021 22:52:13 GMT
This thread sure goes to some interesting places... Most threads on BSN tend to from what I've noticed. Indeed. This thread needs to take a significant swing back towards general discussion of the Mass Effect Legendary Edition and away from allusions to real world politics and history, thanks. It's not going to get locked, but posts will be removed if necessary and repeat offenders (following this post) will be warned and/or banned as necessary.
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1. That’s not what I said at all. Also ironic since you think her giving her opinion is the same as denying the Holocaust. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. It´s pretty ironic that you can´t have seen my comparison as ironic. Of course its not the same. Jeez do i really have to use an irony smiley every time. You don´t get it. Diana can maybe (a big maybe) say this in private but in public? And that´s the difference between her and Garrus.
She should never be allowed to say this in a show watched by millions or billions.
Considering how often you say similar things genuinely, yes. She has every right to say it in public. The only people opposed to that would be those who support censorship and other actions beloved by dictators.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 18, 2021 22:55:48 GMT
The amount of news and engagement is exactly what I would expect for a ten year old game. Indeed. My Dad taught me someone has a right to their opinion but we do not have to provide them a place to say it. ... and the game honors that, as well as the opposing view. Each Shepard can either side with Allers or Copeland on the matter... letting the piece air or squelching it. As far as I know, it's even a consequence-free decision.. not affect War Assets or paragon/renegade dialogue opportunities. I'm at a loss as to why it's turned into such a heated argument here.
As to whether or not she belongs on the ship... the game also gives us a free choice in the matter, along with the ability to change our minds at any point during the game. Personally, I keep her on board simply because she's the one who is thinking about giving Shepard a proper wake at the end. I just wish they had incorporated that idea into the ending slides... you know everyone raising a glass in Shepard's memory, regardless of whether or not there's a breath scene involved... after all it worked for John Jamieson:
I don't think anyone here is saying that the game does not account for such choices merely what the logical and *correct* choice is given our own personal perspective on A. Diana Allers as a character. And B. The nature of freedom of the press.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jul 18, 2021 23:03:19 GMT
She has every right to say it in public. The only people opposed to that would be those who support censorship and other actions beloved by dictators. I am aware of your comment and i won´t answer it directly because of DragonKingReborn´s post. But i disagree with you obviously. Also i would argue that DragonKingReborn response is an argument against freedom of speech to some extent of course.
Edit: Also don´t forget that Shepard has full veto power over anything she reports maybe this is censorship but that´s the deal between Shepard and her. So no Diana can´t say whatever she wants in public. She can try it but altering the deal isn´t a wise decision.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 18, 2021 23:10:00 GMT
Having seen that scene again, the part that bothers me is Copeland unilaterally without due process declaring someone he disagrees with a traitor, and how nothing can be done about that.
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Post by sugarless on Jul 18, 2021 23:11:02 GMT
This thread sure goes to some interesting places... Lack of news, prolonged Bioware absence from the spotlight and lack of engagement from their staff with the community does that. Not that I'm looking forward to Bioware content, honestly.
So why are you here?
Your omnipresent negativity about ME and Bioware is very telling. This is the last place I would be if I felt the same way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 23:14:55 GMT
... and the game honors that, as well as the opposing view. Each Shepard can either side with Allers or Copeland on the matter... letting the piece air or squelching it. As far as I know, it's even a consequence-free decision.. not affect War Assets or paragon/renegade dialogue opportunities. I'm at a loss as to why it's turned into such a heated argument here.
As to whether or not she belongs on the ship... the game also gives us a free choice in the matter, along with the ability to change our minds at any point during the game. Personally, I keep her on board simply because she's the one who is thinking about giving Shepard a proper wake at the end. I just wish they had incorporated that idea into the ending slides... you know everyone raising a glass in Shepard's memory, regardless of whether or not there's a breath scene involved... after all it worked for John Jamieson:
I don't think anyone here is saying that the game does not account for such choices merely what the logical and *correct* choice is given our own personal perspective on A. Diana Allers as a character. And B. The nature of freedom of the press. ... and what I"m saying is that some choices in RPG games don't have to necessarily be "correct" or even "logical" because it is a game where a certain range of choices are being offered to the player in order to allow them to build a somewhat flexible framework for a story... that they then can supplement with their own head canon. Because it's not perfect, the player also usually has to "ignore" some things contained within the game... putting those bits of dialogue off "to be used another day in another playthrough."
Also, I was attempting to add a bit a levity to the discussion.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 18, 2021 23:15:33 GMT
Lack of news, prolonged Bioware absence from the spotlight and lack of engagement from their staff with the community does that. Not that I'm looking forward to Bioware content, honestly.
So why are you here?
Your omnipresent negativity about ME and Bioware is very telling. This is the last place I would be if I felt the same way.
To laugh.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 19, 2021 1:02:24 GMT
I don't think anyone here is saying that the game does not account for such choices merely what the logical and *correct* choice is given our own personal perspective on A. Diana Allers as a character. And B. The nature of freedom of the press. ... and what I"m saying is that some choices in RPG games don't have to necessarily be "correct" or even "logical" because it is a game where a certain range of choices are being offered to the player in order to allow them to build a somewhat flexible framework for a story... that they then can supplement with their own head canon. Because it's not perfect, the player also usually has to "ignore" some things contained within the game... putting those bits of dialogue off "to be used another day in another playthrough."
Also, I was attempting to add a bit a levity to the discussion.
I mean I do enjoy these discussions as long as people don't get too personal on what is or is not. Person A. believes Allers is a terrible character so they would never have her on the Normandy. Person B believes she is a great character so she gets on the Normandy. Person C thinks that standard is irrelevant because no reporter, no matter how personable, should be on a front line stealth warship. All these opinions are valid and can be discussed as long as people remain civil about it in my mind. And yes there is no correct option in these RPGs but different Shepards and different people have different perspectives on this so they can debate on it and then other people can chime in.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 2:01:20 GMT
... and what I"m saying is that some choices in RPG games don't have to necessarily be "correct" or even "logical" because it is a game where a certain range of choices are being offered to the player in order to allow them to build a somewhat flexible framework for a story... that they then can supplement with their own head canon. Because it's not perfect, the player also usually has to "ignore" some things contained within the game... putting those bits of dialogue off "to be used another day in another playthrough."
Also, I was attempting to add a bit a levity to the discussion.
I mean I do enjoy these discussions as long as people don't get too personal on what is or is not. Person A. believes Allers is a terrible character so they would never have her on the Normandy. Person B believes she is a great character so she gets on the Normandy. Person C thinks that standard is irrelevant because no reporter, no matter how personable, should be on a front line stealth warship. All these opinions are valid and can be discussed as long as people remain civil about it in my mind. And yes there is no correct option in these RPGs but different Shepards and different people have different perspectives on this so they can debate on it and then other people can chime in. Agreed... so I was "chiming in" with a little attempted levity, that's all. I'll leave you to it, then.
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Post by Sundance31us on Jul 19, 2021 2:21:30 GMT
All these opinions are valid and can be discussed as long as people remain civil about it in my mind. And yes there is no correct option in these RPGs but different Shepards and different people have different perspectives on this so they can debate on it and then other people can chime in. Indeed, I recommend exploring the different dialogue options, character arcs and story paths no matter how difficult they may be. I do it because I enjoy hearing the voice actors' performances, seeing how the developers animated the scenes and to know exactly what happens when certain decisions are made in the game. I can then use that knowledge to answer questions that may arise.
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Post by Blast Processor on Jul 19, 2021 3:49:30 GMT
This thread sure goes to some interesting places... Most threads on BSN tend to from what I've noticed. True enough. Reminds me of that Darker Than Black gif that used to make the rounds on the previous forum. Haha.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 19, 2021 4:20:00 GMT
Of course some fans don´t like the ME 3 MP but for most people this would be a nice announcement.
I don't know if I would count on it. I only played ME3 MP once. It wasn't as bad as I thought but it was also minimum four years after the release of ME3. Things had died down and it was less competitive. I guess I don't see why MP couldn't exist, just not tied to EMS.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 19, 2021 4:25:44 GMT
So why are you here?
Your omnipresent negativity about ME and Bioware is very telling. This is the last place I would be if I felt the same way.
To laugh. I see you as someone who likes to engage in discussion. Just because you don't look forward to new content, doesn't mean you have nothing to offer on what you have played. Me, I'm wary of anything new. No pre-buying anymore. Now, if when MENext comes out, and the reviews are stellar, beyond anything the MET ever had, would you buy it? I bet you would. Not a knock on you but I suspect you'd be very surprised and happy about it all. Same here. I just don't believe we'll see anything on par with MET. Ever.
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Post by sageoflife on Jul 19, 2021 5:01:20 GMT
<old enough to remember a certain journalist drawing American positions in the sand on live TV during the 1st Gulf War> Consequently I don't always let a reporter on the Normandy for the sake of my crews' safety. Probably why she offers Shepard full veto-power. I bet war journalists are still being taught about that incident centuries later.
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Well, I'm officially done with MELE. I just finished my Insanity ME3 run and... as the last achievement, Insanity III, failed to unlock... so, yet another bug, Bioware... even after you patched achievements on the Xbox One twice already?
Anyway, I've nothing left to say... so we'll maybe talk with you all again whenever ME5 comes out. It's been fun... but could have been more fun without these infernal bugs.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 19, 2021 7:54:47 GMT
So ironically enough I just got through my first PT of the LE as well and while I am still going to do another run through ME 3 starting tonight still I have thoughts on it. First up for ME 3. On the face of it without making large sweeping changes ME 3 comes off as probably the most bi polar experience of the LE. On the one hand it actually seems to have gotten a huge visual upgrade in some places at least. Much like with ME 1...ME 2 was hardly touched at all but there was a lot of scenes where new stuff seemed to stick out more. The initial escape from Vancouver, the Krogan genophage cure scene having a lot more particle effects in the air (achu!) and the charge to the beam all look very, very gorgeous. As does the hair in general and yeah a few other things. But on the flip side they couldn've reallly used another facial animation pass because, I did not realize this problem was as prevelaent in the original game as it was, thought it was just my Shepard and not even that bad...but talks with Eezo apparently this is fairly universal for custom Fem Shepards. The squinty fricking eyes, so much. Wasn't as bad in parts, was especially bad in Omega...but there we have it. Still despite probably fairing the worse of the remasters for this reason I still had a blast and put something like near on 45 hours into it. As for the LE as a whole worth every single penny I have paid for it and then some. From a pure technical standpoint I put into...lets make sure I am doing the right math here... 115 hours into it in the end and given I am probably going to put in another 40 right now, worth every penny. And, to be frank, I knew what I was getting with this. This was going to be a remaster, not a remake. Sure they could've still improved this or that, tightened down that bolt, improve that bit of combat even more, re edited things to be more lore friendly in various ways...but this was a remaster so there was only so much they could do, this was not a remake...or a reboot. So in that case I got exactly what I was expecting. And, as I mentioned before, the games on current generation consoles as is would've probably been just enough...and then with the backwards compatability up through the PS5 era as well... and just having the ability to take pictures and stuff, is a real treat. And boy has this been fun revisiting and should be fun revisiting in the future. As far as the bugs are concerned my own experiences with them...well the LE is the most stable game I have played for awhile now. Two crashes in 1 and the rest have been fairly minor, the usual audio bug from 2, a Turian got stuck in the wall in purgatory, and some lost dialogue in 3. But yes, as a whole I couldn't be happier with this product. Gonna be so hard putting it down.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jul 19, 2021 8:19:23 GMT
Well, I'm officially done with MELE. I just finished my Insanity ME3 run and... as the last achievement, Insanity III, failed to unlock... so, yet another bug, Bioware... even after you patched achievements on the Xbox One twice already? Anyway, I've nothing left to say... so we'll maybe talk with you all again whenever ME5 comes out. It's been fun... but could have been more fun without these infernal bugs. Yesterday I was bored so I continued ME3. I'm still pondering will I play it more or not after yesterdays Surkesh mission. Its all so shallow - I'm just basically listening and have one or two things to say which are always binary usually. Then next, janky primitive combat. Next some autotalk, next janky primitive combat. Repeat... all I'm doing is double throw and pull with some shots or overload from henchmen to shields and it gets rid of everything without moving out from camping cover (as the movement is on the not-so-good side). Maybe I have played the game through enough times (12x for me3) and of course I'm comparing to MEA as its newer (and much, MUCH better) but still, some nostalgy colored my memories and I thought ME3 would be more than autotalk and combat... I am so glad we are getting more ME, and I hope they continue on the evolution what they did with MEA. Maybe we'll see then
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 19, 2021 9:41:44 GMT
I see you as someone who likes to engage in discussion. Just because you don't look forward to new content, doesn't mean you have nothing to offer on what you have played. Me, I'm wary of anything new. No pre-buying anymore. Now, if when MENext comes out, and the reviews are stellar, beyond anything the MET ever had, would you buy it? I bet you would. Not a knock on you but I suspect you'd be very surprised and happy about it all. Same here. I just don't believe we'll see anything on par with MET. Ever. Since we already know it's not going to be on par with the trilogy, I don't care for it. Even the trilogy isn't that great. If we're being objective. They're great games for their time, at the hardware limitations their respective systems had, although I find the tech behind ME3 to be unforgivably poor, but they did other things well enough, most of the time, to overshadow the flaws they had. Then Bioware force retired the entire cast, while most of them had hardly half a game to their credit, to introduce a new cast, which I know the BSN loves and reddit will proudly exclaim being the best ME ever had, while downvoting anyone that voices a dissenting opinion, meanwhile the game didn't sell, wasn't well received and Andromeda breaks several parts in the lore, which I've discussed many times already. Since Will Continue will do nothing to save ME, or Bioware for that matter, I'm just here to laugh. People can have fun with playing the Ark 6 crew, though. I just have no legitimate interest in it, other than the entertainment value of its post-launch shitshow.
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