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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 11, 2020 15:43:53 GMT
Say, you interested in sending a DM with the pertinent information? Ask away. I will share what I can. It isn't much, but then again, there isn't much. Yet. And won't be, for a while. Will there be real women? With realistic shapes? Or just supermodels in tight leathers? Supermodels is fine but it gets boring at some point.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Dec 11, 2020 15:45:39 GMT
I don't get the hate for Liara. I love her character. I liked her well enough in ME1, being an awkward science type out of her element. I even forgive her thinking Shepard is romantically interested in her if you don't pursue anything with her because she isn't a people person and she could interpret some signals wrongly. But in ME2 and ME3 she basically became Commando Tough Chick and lost a lot of her initial quirky charm and the dynamic she brought to the team in the first game. Also, it doesn't help that ME3 made her and Shepard super touchy feely in a non-platonic implied way. Cherry on top was Aethyta telling my Shepard that her and Liara's panties were on fire for each other when my Shepard was a Garrus-mancer since ME2 and didn't romance anyone in ME1 because she was saving herself for that hot piece of turian carapace.
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 11, 2020 15:50:17 GMT
Nothing else, just Liara, I'm afraid. As far as I've been made aware of, Ryder and co. are not off the table, or were not as of the time of my last communication.I don't think you'll be satisfied by the result, but there is hope, sure. Do you have any idea how they'll handle save files like mine where Liara is dead, or will those playthroughs just become invalid? The trilogy is concluded and your savefiles have no effect on future stories.
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Post by flog61 on Dec 11, 2020 15:50:23 GMT
Do you have any idea how they'll handle save files like mine where Liara is dead Liara is dead? Evidently not. I don't think you checked her pulse, my dude I'm not sure it's possible to check the pulse of someone who was vaporised by a reaper beam
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 11, 2020 15:50:59 GMT
I am curious of why it might not work for Andromeda fans. If Ryder and crew are back, in theory, I think they’d be fine? It depends on how well they are implemented. Like, if you see them just pass by in the background, while Liara and co. are communicating with someone from the Initiative. That's a return. Technically. Not saying this is how it's going to happen, though. I wouldn't expect them to have the stage, like they had in Andromeda. Oh, I see. Ryder might not be the protagonist, and we could get a new one. That’s certainly going to disappoint them.
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 11, 2020 15:51:24 GMT
Nothing else, just Liara, I'm afraid. As far as I've been made aware of, Ryder and co. are not off the table, or were not as of the time of my last communication.I don't think you'll be satisfied by the result, but there is hope, sure. Gotcha. We’ll see how it goes, although as I said early, my immediate turnoff would be a GaaS as Anthem situation. I am curious of why it might not work for Andromeda fans. If Ryder and crew are back, in theory, I think they’d be fine? It might be the same way Liara was in Andromeda -- just a long distance voicemail from Ryder and nothing more. That technically counts as being back, but not as the protagonist.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 11, 2020 15:52:50 GMT
Will there be real women? With realistic shapes? Or just supermodels in tight leathers? Supermodels is fine but it gets boring at some point. I have no information on squadmates.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 11, 2020 15:53:26 GMT
It depends on how well they are implemented. Like, if you see them just pass by in the background, while Liara and co. are communicating with someone from the Initiative. That's a return. Technically. Not saying this is how it's going to happen, though. I wouldn't expect them to have the stage, like they had in Andromeda. Oh, I see. Ryder might not be the protagonist, and we could get a new one. That’s certainly going to disappoint them. First Inky, now Ryder. Not to mention those already proven to be ruined: Revan and Hawke.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 11, 2020 15:53:57 GMT
Gotcha. We’ll see how it goes, although as I said early, my immediate turnoff would be a GaaS as Anthem situation. I am curious of why it might not work for Andromeda fans. If Ryder and crew are back, in theory, I think they’d be fine? It might be the same way Liara was in Andromeda -- just a long distance voicemail from Ryder and nothing more. That technically counts as being back, but not as the protagonist. Yeah, I figured that now. Although it’d make the connection with Andromeda far more subtle that I thought. And a ME with a new protagonist, set in the MW centuries later so that most characters from the trilogy are dead, and a little connection with MEA, could be the best way to disappoint most people of the two different sides.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 11, 2020 15:54:00 GMT
I'm not sure it's possible to check the pulse of someone who was vaporised by a reaper beam See? She wasn't even there. How could you possibly know she's dead then. Rumours of her death were largely exaggerated.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 11, 2020 15:56:11 GMT
Oh, I see. Ryder might not be the protagonist, and we could get a new one. That’s certainly going to disappoint them. First Inky, now Ryder. Not to mention those already proven to be ruined: Revan and Hawke. If it’s going to happen. We don’t know that, although a third protagonist was something I didn’t think of.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 11, 2020 15:57:26 GMT
Gotta say some comments on here are concerning.
Look, I get that Andromeda somehow managed to grow close to many of you here (certainly not me). But, lets say they merge the two galaxies, which is possible given the hint in the teaser. What do you expect to happen? I really doubt Andromeda will have much sway in the story, certainly not over that of the Milky Way story and characters. Already in this teaser, it was 99.5% Milky Way with .5% Andromeda due to a mention of an ark.
The Milky Way species just overcame an obstacle unlike any other and now have reaper technology to traverse dark space and improve their living standards and military tech ten fold. Any reports coming in from Andromeda will express hostilities with the kett. The most involvement with Andromeda I can fathom at the moment is the Milky Way species immediately sending in military force to protect Milky Way species' interests in Andromeda (which is what now that the war is won?). This probably will result in a brief and swift war with the kett, who won't stand a chance against Milky Way/Reaper tech. Milky Way also has the element of surprise because the kett won't anticipate reinforcements at all in the next 600 years. That is if the Milky Way doesn't pull out of Andromeda entirely as there's literally no point in being there.
What I'm trying to say in a nutshell is that the things you managed to like in Andromeda likely won't be returning and at most, events in Andromeda will probably get a handful of mentions but that's about it. Maybe Ryder and his/her squad (hopefully a lot more matured...) will make some cutscenes. But if I were you, I'd start managing expectations quick on future Andromeda games.
I mean, the Remaster is for a ME5 in the Milky Way. Not in Andromeda.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 11, 2020 15:58:14 GMT
I'm not sure it's possible to check the pulse of someone who was vaporised by a reaper beam See? She wasn't even there. How could you possibly know she's dead then. Rumours of her death were largely exaggerated. If Destroy will be canonized, I don’t think we’d get to this point, but rather a canon Liara simply being alive. I *guess* that if they’ll go for a canon scenario, they’d go for a canon romance...
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Post by flog61 on Dec 11, 2020 16:02:15 GMT
See? She wasn't even there. How could you possibly know she's dead then. Rumours of her death were largely exaggerated. If Destroy will be canonized, I don’t think we’d get to this point, but rather a canon Liara simply being alive. I *guess* that if they’ll go for a canon scenario, they’d go for a canon romance... The fallout of making Liara the canon romance would be of a similar scale to the ME3 ending controversy
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 11, 2020 16:03:12 GMT
It's from the side of the helmet, which she gave to Shepard. She didn’t give us the helmet. We find it among the Normandy’s wreckage. She gives us our old dog tags that she got from Hackett. You're right...I forgot....I actually FORGOT!! I MUST KILL MYSELF IN SHAME FOR THIS TRAVESTY!!!!
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Post by Little Bengel on Dec 11, 2020 16:04:10 GMT
Hyped but worried. It’s a new ME but they better fucking not drop Andromeda all together. Hopefully they find a way to blend it. Let's keep our hopes up. It could be a million things as far as we know: parallel realities, a completely different galaxy, a Liara look-alike, Liara hunting an N7 operative in Andromeda. I'd like to hear more about who exactly is involved. Casey Hudson is no longer on board, then who exactly is leading the charge ? Mac Walters again ? Amazing writer but not sure he's the best material yet for lead designer. Someone else ? If so, then who ? Bioware is claiming this is a team of veterans after all. Personally, I'm having a right proper giggle at the thought that people believe Casey returned in 2017 to direct games when he was the GM for Bioware as a whole. Sure, he could have given some advice on Mass Effect, but that would be the extent of it, to be honest. Michael Gamble has always been the man in charge of this new game, for as long as I can remember. Mac Walters is in charge of LE. And there are a few good names in the team, confirmed by Gamble himself: Derek Watts, Parrish Ley, Brenon Holmes, Dusty Everman. And it's possible Preston Watamaniuk may be working on this game as well, considering his Twitter header is the N7 Day concept art and his bio says "Game Director".
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 11, 2020 16:05:08 GMT
If Destroy will be canonized, I don’t think we’d get to this point, but rather a canon Liara simply being alive. I *guess* that if they’ll go for a canon scenario, they’d go for a canon romance... The fallout of making Liara the canon romance would be of a similar scale to the ME3 ending controversy That’s a bit too much, I think. I was there during ME3 release. I don’t honestly think canon Liara LI will have THAT Impact. But I’m certainly not going to enjoy the reaction to that reveal.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 11, 2020 16:06:15 GMT
Matriach Liara Ark 6
I think someone is running off to Andromeda and that might be the next game plot: leaving the Milky Way and once in Andromeda finding the Initiative.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 11, 2020 16:09:19 GMT
Matriach Liara Ark 6 I think someone is running off to Andromeda and that might be the next game plot: leaving the Milky Way and once in Andromeda finding the Initiative. Wouldn’t that make Liara the new protagonist? I’m curious is the scene in the teaser is symbolic, or has some relevance to the plot.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Dec 11, 2020 16:13:32 GMT
Gotta say some comments on here are concerning. Look, I get that Andromeda somehow managed to grow close to many of you here (certainly not me). But, lets say they merge the two galaxies, which is possible given the hint in the teaser. What do you expect to happen? I really doubt Andromeda will have much sway in the story, certainly not over that of the Milky Way story and characters. Already in this teaser, it was 99.5% Milky Way with .5% Andromeda due to a mention of an ark. The Milky Way species just overcame an obstacle unlike any other and now have reaper technology to traverse dark space and improve their living standards and military tech ten fold. Any reports coming in from Andromeda will express hostilities with the kett. The most involvement with Andromeda I can fathom at the moment is the Milky Way species immediately sending in military force to protect Milky Way species' interests in Andromeda. This probably will result in a brief and swift war with the kett, who won't stand a chance against Milky Way/Reaper tech. Milky Way also has the element of surprise because the kett won't anticipate reinforcements at all in the next 600 years. What I'm trying to say in a nutshell is that the things you managed to like in Andromeda likely won't be returning and at most, events in Andromeda will probably get a handful of mentions but that's about it. Maybe Ryder and his/her squad (hopefully a lot more matured...) will make some cutscenes. But if I were you, I'd start managing expectations quick on future Andromeda games. I mean, the Remaster is for a ME5 in the Milky Way. Not in Andromeda. Hmm, that whole sending reinforcements to protect our interests thing brings to mind something that you see often in military themed media. The people in charge of the reinforcements take over from the initial leadership, the initial leadership doesn't like it but are forced to accept, the local population (Angara) don't like it because they've grown to trust the AI after they fought together and the MW reinforcements have no reason to play nice with anyone because of the 600 year gap of connection. This could lead to a nice civil war/splintering story that hasn't been done in the ME universe, yet (at least not in the games, I didn't read any of the comics or novels). Liara could even play a role on the side of the AI, given she's a scientist at heart and not military minded, give her some of the personable charm she lost along the way in the trilogy. See? She wasn't even there. How could you possibly know she's dead then. Rumours of her death were largely exaggerated. If Destroy will be canonized, I don’t think we’d get to this point, but rather a canon Liara simply being alive. I *guess* that if they’ll go for a canon scenario, they’d go for a canon romance... *disgusted noise* Personal side bar, I was hoping for that Evfra romance I kept clinging to in my mind but I might finally have to accept it's not gonna happen.
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Post by flog61 on Dec 11, 2020 16:13:44 GMT
The fallout of making Liara the canon romance would be of a similar scale to the ME3 ending controversy That’s a bit too much, I think. I was there during ME3 release. I don’t honestly think canon Liara LI will have THAT Impact. But I’m certainly not going to enjoy the reaction to that reveal. My main issue with making it the canon romance is that it would be yet another erasure of gay male shepards from the ME team. We weren't allowed romances in ME1 and ME2. We got reduced scenes with Kaidan in ME3 compared to femshep and Steve's romance was very short. In ME:A straight men, straight women and gay women each had two squad romances, and gay men got zero until they patched in Jaal's. It was even impossible for players who play as gay men to get one of the achievements until the Jaal patch. Making it so our Shepard had to be attracted to women (who are still coded as women even if they have tentacles on their heads) would be yet another slap in the face from my perspective.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 11, 2020 16:16:58 GMT
That’s a bit too much, I think. I was there during ME3 release. I don’t honestly think canon Liara LI will have THAT Impact. But I’m certainly not going to enjoy the reaction to that reveal. My main issue with making it the canon romance is that it would be yet another erasure of gay male shepards from the ME team. We weren't allowed romances in ME1 and ME2. We got reduced scenes with Kaidan in ME3 compared to femshep and Steve's romance was very short. In ME:A straight men, straight women and gay women each had two squad romances, and gay men got zero until they patched in Jaal's. It was even impossible for players who play as gay men to get one of the achievements until the Jaal patch. Making it so our Shepard had to be attracted to women (who are still coded as women even if they have tentacles on their heads) would be yet another slap in the face from my perspective. To be clear, I didn’t say making a canon LI would be a good move, or that it won’t generate a controversy...just not something on the ME3 endings’ level.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 11, 2020 16:20:52 GMT
Matriach Liara Ark 6 I think someone is running off to Andromeda and that might be the next game plot: leaving the Milky Way and once in Andromeda finding the Initiative. Wouldn’t that make Liara the new protagonist? I’m curious is the scene in the teaser is symbolic, or has some relevance to the plot. I was more thinking that she's the boss/person in charge of Ark 6 project. So your boss... But I wouldn't mind playing as Liara (Biotic4Life!). I doubt others feels the same. I kinda want to play as something else than human thought.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 11, 2020 16:31:51 GMT
To anyone that has tried to contact me, or quote me and wants an answer, if I didn't answer you wasn't on purpose, I just ... I got a little swamped so I may have missed you. Feel free to ask me again, or give it a little more time. It's not on purpose. The Milky Way species just overcame an obstacle unlike any other and now have reaper technology to traverse dark space and improve their living standards and military tech ten fold. Doesn't look like it. Looks like Milky Way tech has regressed, as none of the space debris have been salvaged. It looks like the Milky Way's inability to restart Reaper tech, judging by the abandoned Relays, has led them to develop other technologies, to compensate for that. Which was the symbolic point of having the Relays and all other Reaper tech go off. To finally free the galaxy from Reaper influence. As retarded an idea as that is.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 11, 2020 16:36:44 GMT
The Milky Way species just overcame an obstacle unlike any other and now have reaper technology to traverse dark space and improve their living standards and military tech ten fold. Doesn't look like it. Looks like Milky Way tech has regressed, as none of the space debris have been salvaged. It looks like the Milky Way's inability to restart Reaper tech, judging by the abandoned Relays, has led them to develop other technologies, to compensate for that. Which was the symbolic point of having the Relays and all other Reaper tech go off. To finally free the galaxy from Reaper influence. As retarded an idea as that is. Presumably because it's only been a few months after the war, which explains the debris and more importantly indicates Shepard is still alive under that debris due to his synthetics. That surge the crucible sent out could have had any number of effects on his system. For all we know it could've installed/placed any number of reaper tech in Shepard making him not just alive, but possibly very powerful. All speculation, but I do believe this was soon after the war, and Shepard is alive.
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