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Post by luketrevelyan on Dec 11, 2020 16:36:52 GMT
A lot of people are saying they can't do X or Y because it will upset people, but the reality is Mass Effect can't move forward without upsetting a chunk of the fandom. They just need a good story and go with it. We've all been debating this stuff for years and no one has ever agreed on a path forward.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 11, 2020 16:40:03 GMT
A lot of people are saying they can't do X or Y because it will upset people, but the reality is Mass Effect can't move forward without upsetting a chunk of the fandom. They just need a good story and go with it. We've all been debating this stuff for years and no one has ever agreed on a path forward. I definitely expect someone to be disappointed by the choice made for the next game. The question is only about how many.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 11, 2020 16:48:47 GMT
A lot of people are saying they can't do X or Y because it will upset people, but the reality is Mass Effect can't move forward without upsetting a chunk of the fandom. They just need a good story and go with it. We've all been debating this stuff for years and no one has ever agreed on a path forward. I definitely expect someone to be disappointed by the choice made for the next game. The question is only about how many. Most certainly the bulk of those to be disappointed will be those hoping for more Andromeda I think.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 11, 2020 16:54:29 GMT
I definitely expect someone to be disappointed by the choice made for the next game. The question is only about how many. Most certainly the bulk of those to be disappointed will be those hoping for more Andromeda I think. Not necessarily. If the game is set in the MW, but 600 years in the future, with a new protagonist, most of the cast dead, and a canon ending, I think there’ll be a lot of people disappointed from the ‘sequel of the trilogy’ crowd. The context of the teaser is so vague that I’m not making any assumptions or expectations story-wise.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Dec 11, 2020 16:56:57 GMT
Color me surprised to see Liara's lovely face!  Can't help feeling a tiny bit excited for a reaper war sequel with destroy canon. (Technically, control is still possible, that reaper could just have broken down or they were disabled at some point by creepy immortal Shep.) I've always wanted a DIRECT sequel dealing with the horrifying aftermath of such a massive war. Famine and political unrest. Horrible horrible living conditions... What I would find really disappointeling and yet the most likely scenario is skipping over the aftermath into a vague future that doesn't really deal with it. A short prologue and then the game is off do something else entirely. Going to Andromeda or bringing the Initiative back to the Milky Way. UGH. I want nothing to do with more Andromeda. Not even in a crossover. I want more Milky Way stuff. I want more vorcha and the other races that didn't go to Andromeda. I don't care about Andromeda's copied plot from the trilogy. Don't care about the kett or the remnant or the jardaan. I just don't. I want to see more of the home worlds prior or after the reaper war. That's it. A bridge game that merged the two galaxies is fine in theory but what plot would we get? More mysterious dead alien races and new super scary threat? JAWN. I personally want a standalone prequel story with an alien protagonist OR massive realistic post war drama that's not about some big threat, just "human" tragedy. I do NOT want more Shepard. But I also don't want more Ryder. It doesn't really matter what they do in the end because I have NO faith left in current Bioware. So no matter how intersting a premise we might get, they're gonna fuck it up as far as I'm concerned. That said, this trailer is about the most encouraging thing they could have done. So bravo for playing with my heart, Bioware! |
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 11, 2020 17:00:44 GMT
Most certainly the bulk of those to be disappointed will be those hoping for more Andromeda I think. Not necessarily. If the game is set in the MW, but 600 years in the future, with a new protagonist, most of the cast dead, and a canon ending, I think there’ll be a lot of people disappointed from the ‘sequel of the trilogy’ crowd. The context of the teaser is so vague that I’m not making any assumptions or expectations story-wise. As vague as the teaser was, it still indicates more heavily towards "trilogy sequel" continuance over Andromeda. Especially after you factor in BioWare's decision to remaster the trilogy. That sets the stage perfectly for sidestepping Andromeda almost entirely. I also think the trilogy crowd will be more easily reassured and content simply with ME5 returning to the Milky Way, even if Shepard does not return. Meanwhile the Andromeda crowd want things that would require a whole game in Andromeda which at this point the reasoning for being in Andromeda at all is moot.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 11, 2020 17:06:56 GMT
Not necessarily. If the game is set in the MW, but 600 years in the future, with a new protagonist, most of the cast dead, and a canon ending, I think there’ll be a lot of people disappointed from the ‘sequel of the trilogy’ crowd. The context of the teaser is so vague that I’m not making any assumptions or expectations story-wise. As vague as the teaser was, it still indicates more heavily towards "trilogy sequel" continuance over Andromeda. Especially after you factor in BioWare's decision to remaster the trilogy. That sets the stage perfectly for sidestepping Andromeda almost entirely. I also think the trilogy crowd will be more easily reassured and content simply with ME5 returning to the Milky Way, even if Shepard does not return. Meanwhile the Andromeda crowd want things that would require a whole game in Andromeda which at this point the reasoning for being in Andromeda at all is moot. While you’re right about the first contact with the teaser, Mike Gamble said there are hidden things in the trailer, and they explicitly mention Ark 6 and a catchphrase from Andromeda. It can very well end up with Liara joining the Initiative and the Andromeda galaxy on another Ark. To be certain about what the teaser mean is, in my opinion, wrong, because you’re opening yourself to disappointment. Granted, BioWare definitely knows that a trailer like this would lead people to imagine a more direct continuation of the trilogy...but I’d still keep my expectations low, regardless of what you’d prefer from the next game.
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Post by Kabraxal on Dec 11, 2020 17:10:26 GMT
Just thought... what if that end scene is Liara meeting a confused as hell AI squad on their return? Could see remnant tech being the bridge and it’s the AI team that comes back to help rebuild?
The theories are gonna be wild for a while.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 11, 2020 17:16:52 GMT
As vague as the teaser was, it still indicates more heavily towards "trilogy sequel" continuance over Andromeda. Especially after you factor in BioWare's decision to remaster the trilogy. That sets the stage perfectly for sidestepping Andromeda almost entirely. I also think the trilogy crowd will be more easily reassured and content simply with ME5 returning to the Milky Way, even if Shepard does not return. Meanwhile the Andromeda crowd want things that would require a whole game in Andromeda which at this point the reasoning for being in Andromeda at all is moot. While you’re right about the first contact with the teaser, Mike Gamble said there are hidden things in the trailer, and they explicitly mention Ark 6 and a catchphrase from Andromeda. It can very well end up with Liara joining the Initiative and the Andromeda galaxy on another Ark. To be certain about what the teaser mean is, in my opinion, wrong, because you’re opening yourself to disappointment. Granted, BioWare definitely knows that a trailer like this would lead people to imagine a more direct continuation of the trilogy...but I’d still keep my expectations low, regardless of what you’d prefer from the next game. You are right. That is possible, to be sure. However, as much as we all cherish and love Mass Effect and as much as I hate mentioning monetary reality, what speaks at the end of the day is money. The trilogy made BioWare money and gave it fame. Andromeda.... well, it did the opposite. It seems perfectly reasonable and logical in this sense that BioWare would do as little as possible with Andromeda in favor of the Milky Way trilogy.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 11, 2020 17:19:08 GMT
Presumably because it's only been a few months after the war, which explains the debris and more importantly indicates Shepard is still alive under that debris due to his synthetics. That surge the crucible sent out could have had any number of effects on his system. For all we know it could've installed/placed any number of reaper tech in Shepard making him not just alive, but possibly very powerful. All speculation, but I do believe this was soon after the war, and Shepard is alive. I think it takes place several hundred years after the war and Liara is shriveled like a blue raisin. I think Shepard is dead along with everyone else. We'll meet a new group of cunts to act as our crew and Liara will be our almighty overseer. We'll also be in contact with the Initiative and in the post ending scene we'll see a new relay that will unite the galaxies. Because that's the best way to trivialize the distance between the two and justify making a game that takes place in both galaxies. |
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 11, 2020 17:25:23 GMT
Presumably because it's only been a few months after the war, which explains the debris and more importantly indicates Shepard is still alive under that debris due to his synthetics. That surge the crucible sent out could have had any number of effects on his system. For all we know it could've installed/placed any number of reaper tech in Shepard making him not just alive, but possibly very powerful. All speculation, but I do believe this was soon after the war, and Shepard is alive. I think it takes place several hundred years after the war and Liara is shriveled like a blue raisin. I think Shepard is dead along with everyone else. We'll meet a new group of cunts to act as our crew and Liara will be our almighty overseer. We'll also be in contact with the Initiative and in the post ending scene we'll see a new relay that will unite the galaxies. Because that's the best way to trivialize the distance between the two and justify making a game that takes place in both galaxies. No offense, but God, I hope you forever stay far faaaaaar away from BioWare's writing tables and brainstorming meetings cause that's a great way to piss off all camps. 
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Dec 11, 2020 17:29:30 GMT
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Post by smilesja on Dec 11, 2020 17:50:51 GMT
Gotta say some comments on here are concerning. Look, I get that Andromeda somehow managed to grow close to many of you here (certainly not me). But, lets say they merge the two galaxies, which is possible given the hint in the teaser. What do you expect to happen? I really doubt Andromeda will have much sway in the story, certainly not over that of the Milky Way story and characters. Already in this teaser, it was 99.5% Milky Way with .5% Andromeda due to a mention of an ark. The Milky Way species just overcame an obstacle unlike any other and now have reaper technology to traverse dark space and improve their living standards and military tech ten fold. Any reports coming in from Andromeda will express hostilities with the kett. The most involvement with Andromeda I can fathom at the moment is the Milky Way species immediately sending in military force to protect Milky Way species' interests in Andromeda (which is what now that the war is won?). This probably will result in a brief and swift war with the kett, who won't stand a chance against Milky Way/Reaper tech. Milky Way also has the element of surprise because the kett won't anticipate reinforcements at all in the next 600 years. That is if the Milky Way doesn't pull out of Andromeda entirely as there's literally no point in being there. What I'm trying to say in a nutshell is that the things you managed to like in Andromeda likely won't be returning and at most, events in Andromeda will probably get a handful of mentions but that's about it. Maybe Ryder and his/her squad (hopefully a lot more matured...) will make some cutscenes. But if I were you, I'd start managing expectations quick on future Andromeda games. I mean, the Remaster is for a ME5 in the Milky Way. Not in Andromeda. That’s the problem, it shows that BioWare doesn’t care about a section about their fan base if what’s presented is true. |
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Post by yeah rip on Dec 11, 2020 17:59:38 GMT
Can't Liara (and Bioware) just let Shepard rest in peace for once?
As much as I love the early games, I'm disappointed that they seem to have chosen to go back to the OT. Andromeda wasn't great, but definitely not unsalvageable. It established the setting, layed ground for the story developement and had several sequel hooks. The original trilogy had its conclusion. Even though Andromeda was pretty much a bust, they should have just committed to it instead of digging up Shepard's (and Milky Way's) corpse, imo.
And I'm just really tired of Liara.
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Post by Ascend on Dec 11, 2020 18:05:25 GMT
Near the end we have a Salarian on the left, and a Krogan on the right. Which species is in the middle? It looks like Angara to me.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 11, 2020 18:06:04 GMT
Yeah, it sounds like they're going to tie the two together... somehow. Maybe that's what the concept art of relays being built were for? There's a segment of audio I can't make out that starts at about 0:51 in the Mass Effect trailer. Can anyone make that out? Late to respond perhaps, but..
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Post by Adia on Dec 11, 2020 18:08:57 GMT
Liara might look older because this is a 4k close up of a CGI trailer so you get to see more of her facial imperfections. The whole thing just looks like it happens right after the events of ME3 - otherwise why would they show the freshly destroyed relays, the people struggling at comms, and the completely destroyed Citadel? You'd figure after some time people would start to rebuild. Liara picking up the N7 logo. It's Shepard's, not Ryder. Senior Ryder died on Habitant 7, and last time I checked there were no Reapers in the Andromeda galaxy, let alone on that planet. And if it's Ryder Jr's, what the hell are they doing in the milky way? So yeah, that's Shepard. I REALLY struggle to believe this is set in the far future. They made references to Andromeda though, with Ark 6, Godspeed and the two galaxies clashing. Could it mean nothing? Absolutely. We simply don’t know because they wanted to keep things vague, and they intentionally made references to Andromeda, as well as hiding stuff in the teaser, apparently. The fact that at first it looks like a direct continuation of ME3 (although Shepard’s remains/pieces of armour from ME3 shoudn’t be found on what it looks like Archera), was certainly the first thing to come to mind after the teaser. Liara’s presence alone lead to that ‘conclusion’. But it’s clear now that they dropped hints of a connection between the two galaxies and stories. We don’t know for a true connection between the trilogy and Andromeda, or for something else. I think you misunderstood my comment. I don't deny that they hinted of Andromeda being part of the next game, I even allude to and agree with it. BUT people are saying that the scene with Liara is 600 years later and set in Andromeda which is just factually wrong, she may as well be older, but that planet she's in is most certainly in the milky way. Just wanted to clarify that.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 11, 2020 18:12:16 GMT
That’s the problem, it shows that BioWare doesn’t care about a section about their fan base if what’s presented is true. I don't think it's so much as BioWare not caring about sections of their fanbase, moreso than it is fans having hyped expectations. Although, the colossal pushback against Andromeda was well-merited at the time of its release.  Either way, I think the general conversation on this thread is all of us recognizing that one camp or another's wants will inevitably be overlooked causing hurt. It's just the reality of the crossroads Mass Effect has arrived at. Milky Way or Andromeda. It seems BioWare is attempting to merge the two, but how well they manage to do it is the question we all get to wrestle with in the meantime.
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Post by bshep on Dec 11, 2020 18:13:09 GMT
That’s the problem, it shows that BioWare doesn’t care about a section about their fan base if what’s presented is true. Gamble already said to beware those kind of assumptions to someone else on twitter. 
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Post by bshep on Dec 11, 2020 18:14:44 GMT
Near the end we have a Salarian on the left, and a Krogan on the right. Which species is in the middle? It looks like Angara to me. It seems like a human to me. Besides that planet is on the Milky Way, there are dead Reapers on it.
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Post by Sartoz on Dec 11, 2020 18:15:00 GMT
Interesting...
ME 5 is still in the concept phase and we have a teaser video. Hm... too early to crystalize anything but I take the teaser as a confirmation that ME 5 is a coming sometimes in the future.
From my perspective, I don't mind if she can be our protag.
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Post by SassaMFG on Dec 11, 2020 18:19:14 GMT
As much as I love the early games, I'm disappointed that they seem to have chosen to go back to the OT. Andromeda wasn't great, but definitely not unsalvageable. It established the setting, layed ground for the story developement and had several sequel hooks. The original trilogy had its conclusion. Even though Andromeda was pretty much a bust, they should have just committed to it instead of digging up Shepard's (and Milky Way's) corpse, imo. This |
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 11, 2020 18:23:41 GMT
Can't Liara (and Bioware) just let Shepard rest in peace for once? As much as I love the early games, I'm disappointed that they seem to have chosen to go back to the OT. Andromeda wasn't great, but definitely not unsalvageable. It established the setting, layed ground for the story developement and had several sequel hooks. The original trilogy had its conclusion. Even though Andromeda was pretty much a bust, they should have just committed to it instead of digging up Shepard's (and Milky Way's) corpse, imo. And I'm just really tired of Liara. No, I think Andromeda is honestly unsalvageable. I know people here on these forums are pretty pro-Andromeda, but the overall consensus off the forums and in the gaming world is that Andromeda was a nightmare, even with the fixes. Committing to a product that is broken and which people don't want is a horrible business model. Don't forget, BioWare is a business and needs to make money. Near the end we have a Salarian on the left, and a Krogan on the right. Which species is in the middle? It looks like Angara to me. Really?  Looks like an average human to me. I think you misunderstood my comment. I don't deny that they hinted of Andromeda being part of the next game, I even allude to and agree with it. BUT people are saying that the scene with Liara is 600 years later and set in Andromeda which is just factually wrong, she may as well be older, but that planet she's in is most certainly in the milky way. Just wanted to clarify that. Agreed. I don't understand this far into the future thing, especially with it being in Andromeda. Liara doesn't look old to me for starters. Then, the reaper's corpse clearly indicates Milky Way. Plus, why would Liara give two damns about AI personnel? She found the AI interesting, but in no way had a connection with them to merit her reaction to finding the N7 helmet piece. Most definitely was Shepard's.
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Looks like an average human to me.