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Post by Croatsky on Dec 12, 2020 11:29:45 GMT
Dead Reapers. Right there in the trailer. Unless Reapers are now present in multiple galaxies? Actually, forget I typed that. Shouldn't give them ideas. They lived in Dark Space, they could have invaded other galaxies. Leviathan DLC makes it clear Reapers originate in Milky Way. As well the dark space is, well, massive space of mostly nothing?
Plus Andromeda is the closest Milky Way-size galaxy and yet Helius has no Mass Relays. In fact it took Kett to reach Helius a long time, as they had to use cryo's to reach the place.
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Post by traks on Dec 12, 2020 11:29:46 GMT
I don't think we have to look at DA's next release to project when the next ME will come out. Anthem is now in Austin, so Edmonton is back to two franchises and two mostly independent teams. If they bring out the remaster early 21 it makes sense to target 23 as release year for ME next. Building up hype through the remaster, then bring out teasers/trailers at N7 day/game awards 21, EA play 22 and N7 day/game awards 22. Maybe announce the 23 release then or at EA play 23 for fall 23.
IMO you can't let too much time pass after the remaster.
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Post by Croatsky on Dec 12, 2020 11:35:49 GMT
I don't think we have to look at DA's next release to project when the next ME will come out. Anthem is now in Austin, so Edmonton is back to two franchises and two mostly independent teams. If they bring out the remaster early 21 it makes sense to target 23 as release year for ME next. Building up hype through the remaster, then bring out teasers/trailers at N7 day/game awards 21, EA play 22 and N7 day/game awards 22. Maybe announce the 23 release then or at EA play 23 for fall 23. IMO you can't let too much time pass after the remaster. One issue. Covid-19.
This pandemic had slowed a lot for everyone in gaming industry and BioWare is no exception. Vaccines are here now, but it's gonna take a long time to distribute to everyone to return back to normal lives.
So this affects the next ME game development time significantly and 2023 release is very optimistic. At best, November/December 2023 I'd say. But it's already optimistic to see DA4 coming at any point of 2022 and I doubt they'd release both games at same year, especially within timeframe for post-release DLC's.
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Post by traks on Dec 12, 2020 11:46:45 GMT
I don't think we have to look at DA's next release to project when the next ME will come out. Anthem is now in Austin, so Edmonton is back to two franchises and two mostly independent teams. If they bring out the remaster early 21 it makes sense to target 23 as release year for ME next. Building up hype through the remaster, then bring out teasers/trailers at N7 day/game awards 21, EA play 22 and N7 day/game awards 22. Maybe announce the 23 release then or at EA play 23 for fall 23. IMO you can't let too much time pass after the remaster. One issue. Covid-19.
This pandemic had slowed a lot for everyone in gaming industry and BioWare is no exception. Vaccines are here now, but it's gonna take a long time to distribute to everyone to return back to normal lives.
So this affects the next ME game development time significantly and 2023 release is very optimistic. At best, November/December 2023 I'd say. But it's already optimistic to see DA4 coming at any point of 2022 and I doubt they'd release both games at same year, especially within timeframe for post-release DLC's.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if it's pushed to 24, I am just saying that I would assume 23 as their current goal if I had anything to do with it, and that DA will be on an independent timeline, because the Edmonton teams likely don't have to lend people to Anthem anymore or as often and because of that won't mix as much anymore.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 12, 2020 11:48:23 GMT
I had a great time with it, and don't loath it at all, You sure fooled me.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 12, 2020 11:50:46 GMT
IMO you can't let too much time pass after the remaster. Well, it's going to take people a considerable amount of time to finish the trilogy. So you can buy a year or two. But yeah, ideally, you'd want ME5 out by 2024. Which I find doubtful.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 12, 2020 11:52:34 GMT
IMO you can't let too much time pass after the remaster. Well, it's going to take people a considerable amount of time to finish the trilogy. So you can buy a year or two. But yeah, ideally, you'd want ME5 out by 2024. Which I find doubtful. You believe that DA4 isn’t going to be released before 2024, or do I remember wrong?
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 12, 2020 11:55:28 GMT
I hope that's the case but on the other he's intentionally say that. What sirpetrakus said though makes me feel awful. At this point I'm gonna wait and see. If he’s seriously saying this and clearly stringing MEA fas along just to troll that’s really messed up. Totally.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 12, 2020 11:58:59 GMT
You believe that DA4 isn’t going to be released before 2024, or do I remember wrong? I think it will follow the usual trajectory of Fall 2023 release, with a delay, that isn't a delay, to Q1 2024. And from there, we are looking at a, at best, 2026 release for ME5. And, as a live service ME, it will be the only ME game we get this gen. So if we don't like who we play as, i.e. neither Shepard, nor Ryder, get really, really ready for some bad after taste.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 12, 2020 12:00:10 GMT
The things I share, I'd rather not collect them all together. People jeopardize their livelihood just to give some fat, bald, pretentious fuck some info. Gathering it all together in a single post is going to give people away. This way, at least, spread over several posts and threads, things can slip. Or someone can say that I am really good at deducing and extracting information from poorly formed and veiled teasers. But most people would argue I am not that smart. I would argue I am, but I'd be too dumb to know I am not. I'm not making much sense. I should sleep. Can you DM me? Promise i won't say anything.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 12, 2020 12:07:18 GMT
You believe that DA4 isn’t going to be released before 2024, or do I remember wrong? I think it will follow the usual trajectory of Fall 2023 release, with a delay, that isn't a delay, to Q1 2024. And from there, we are looking at a, at best, 2026 release for ME5. And, as a live service ME, it will be the only ME game we get this gen. So if we don't like who we play as, i.e. neither Shepard, nor Ryder, get really, really ready for some bad after taste. They are gonna make things worse.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 12, 2020 12:27:17 GMT
The Andromeda crew has no reason to be in a planet where Liara and a bunch of dead Reapers are. Unless this is a post credit scene of the next game. We won't get such a development in books or comic books, before the game, unless there is a large enough time skip, where then Ryder and co. will no longer be relevant to the time line. Unless the Initiative, splintered with scarce resources and manpower can afford to make a relay, experimental or not, with zero knowledge carried over from the Milky Way and zero knowledge having developed on that front in the first Andromeda ... I'll just say that it would be a stretch to start the game, right off the bat and "here's a relay, whoops, we're in the Milky Way now". You build up to it throughout the game as the big thing the Initiative is building to and you power it up after the end of the game. This game will be set in the Milky Way, you will get a new crew, but you will see the Andromeda cast. The Trilogy cast is gone and done, except maybe Grunt. I don't think this is what people want to hear, but I think it's very possible.
The Mudskipper is very prominent in marketing so far and I believe it is the PC's new ship. Shepard and Ryder are identified with their ships, the Normandy and Tempest. There is no reason for them to have a new ship. The drell, quarian, salarian, and krogan (plus whoever else has been shown) are obviously the Mudskipper's crew, and the species makeup doesn't fit either Shepard or Ryder's crew. This makes me believe we will have a new protagonist for this game who is neither Shepard nor Ryder with a new crew (possibly including Grunt or Urdnot Mordin). It doesn't rule out either Shepard or Ryder as the protagonist for ME6, so no need to get too upset yet. (I would bet on Ryder over Shepard if either return, though, because Shepard would have to be Duncan Idaho-ing it up without her crew, which just feels wrong.) My guess is that the Mudskipper crew (including the new PC) are agents of the Shadow Broker (Liara). I still think the game will take place in the MEA timeline and reuniting the two galaxies will be a plot point. (If, on the other hand, it's set closer to the time of the Reaper War, then Shepard and crew will be off screen doing something above the current protagonist's pay grade.)
The ending scene could be the current PC jumping from the MW to Andromeda and being greeted by Ryder on the far side to set up ME6.
I know this doesn't satisfy most of the people in the fanbase, but this is the vibe I'm getting from what we've seen so far. I'll reserve judgment, although I was hoping for a protagonist to follow for several games with decisions carried over from game to game like the OT. I prefer one PC and crew to the DA "let's have a new protagonist every game" idea.
This. I won't like it if this is their idea and definitely won't play it.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 12, 2020 12:29:13 GMT
You believe that DA4 isn’t going to be released before 2024, or do I remember wrong? I think it will follow the usual trajectory of Fall 2023 release, with a delay, that isn't a delay, to Q1 2024. And from there, we are looking at a, at best, 2026 release for ME5. And, as a live service ME, it will be the only ME game we get this gen. So if we don't like who we play as, i.e. neither Shepard, nor Ryder, get really, really ready for some bad after taste. I definitely believe we’ll get one ME game this gen. And I do agree that a new protagonist will lead both crowd to be disappointed. Which would be an incredible feat, in a way, pissing off both crowds.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 12, 2020 12:52:30 GMT
I don't think we have to look at DA's next release to project when the next ME will come out. Anthem is now in Austin, so Edmonton is back to two franchises and two mostly independent teams. If they bring out the remaster early 21 it makes sense to target 23 as release year for ME next. Building up hype through the remaster, then bring out teasers/trailers at N7 day/game awards 21, EA play 22 and N7 day/game awards 22. Maybe announce the 23 release then or at EA play 23 for fall 23. IMO you can't let too much time pass after the remaster. EA already said to not expect DA4 before March 2022 in 2019 to its investors and less or more insinuated it was aiming for 2023 with it. The next ME will release after that. BioWare barely have the staff to make 2 games at the same time all studio included and they have 4 games (Anthem, DA4, ME5 and SWTOR). EA has put EA Motive devs on DA4 already actually.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 12, 2020 12:53:50 GMT
Can you DM me? Promise i won't say anything. Ask away. They are gonna make things worse. It's just business and, ultimately, the path we showed them. I definitely believe we’ll get one ME game this gen. And I do agree that a new protagonist will lead both crowd to be disappointed. Which would be an incredible feat, in a way, pissing off both crowds. But hey, Liara is back. You love Liara, right?
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Post by traks on Dec 12, 2020 13:30:45 GMT
I think it will follow the usual trajectory of Fall 2023 release, with a delay, that isn't a delay, to Q1 2024. And from there, we are looking at a, at best, 2026 release for ME5. And, as a live service ME, it will be the only ME game we get this gen. So if we don't like who we play as, i.e. neither Shepard, nor Ryder, get really, really ready for some bad after taste. I definitely believe we’ll get one ME game this gen. And I do agree that a new protagonist will lead both crowd to be disappointed. Which would be an incredible feat, in a way, pissing off both crowds. Who are these two crowds? I for one don't count myself to any one particular crowd other than being a Mass Effect fan. If you talk about groups among those, there is certainly not just one group wanting a ME3 sequel directly after ME3 and another one wanting just a sequel after MEA. There is also not a group of Trilogy fans and another of MEA fans. Probably most of the MEA fans are/were also fans of the trilogy and there are also lots of fans that prefer the trilogy and still would rather return for MEA2 than returning to the Milky Way from what I gather around here. There are people that don't want any new ME anymore whatsoever, there are people that only want a sequel to ME3 if it contains their Shepard's choices, there are people that only want to play Shepard, there are people that want the IT, there are people that are interested in anything after ME3 but only in the Milky Way, there are people that only want a prequel, there are people that want to play a different race, there are people that want to keep playing Ryder and the list goes on and on. That's why I say it doesn't matter whether some are disappointed, but just that they bring out a great game, that is exciting for a lot of players, whether it's old ones or new ones and no matter what group anyone puts them into right now. BTW: after ME1 we probably never got what we expected with ME2 shifting the story, ME3 having the ending debate at the forefront/the strange Cerberus angle and MEA not answering the questions about "what do we even want in Andromeda" and still ME2 and ME3 are considered two of the best games of all times and MEA was able to build/keep part of a fandom. So I go into the next game not expecting anything in particular, instead plan to just go into it with an open mind. I for one am interested in anything that they'll come up with. I just want a solid premise at the start, then a focus on the story and a serious tone.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 12, 2020 13:59:12 GMT
Can you DM me? Promise i won't say anything. Ask away. They are gonna make things worse. It's just business and, ultimately, the path we showed them. I definitely believe we’ll get one ME game this gen. And I do agree that a new protagonist will lead both crowd to be disappointed. Which would be an incredible feat, in a way, pissing off both crowds. But hey, Liara is back. You love Liara, right? Well, I like her just fine, but she’s not a game breaker either way. If she’s the only character back from the trilogy, I wonder if Mac had an influence over this, or they just picked a combination of popularity and long-lived character. traks: you can see in this very thread people of those crowds.
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Post by traks on Dec 12, 2020 14:07:25 GMT
Ask away. It's just business and, ultimately, the path we showed them. But hey, Liara is back. You love Liara, right? Well, I like her just fine, but she’s not a game breaker either way. If she’s the only character back from the trilogy, I wonder if Mac had an influence over this, or they just picked a combination of popularity and long-lived character. traks : you can see in this very thread people of those crowds. Yeah, but those are two extremes of a very differentiated group of Mass Effect fans overall and IMO these groups are far smaller than you make them look when talking about them as if they would make up the bulk of the fans. I think the bulk of the fans is interested in more Mass Effect and not just in one possibility of the many BioWare could go on with. BTW; you didn't answer, which groups exactly you mean. Milky Way/Andromeda?
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Post by Croatsky on Dec 12, 2020 14:36:21 GMT
I think it will follow the usual trajectory of Fall 2023 release, with a delay, that isn't a delay, to Q1 2024. And from there, we are looking at a, at best, 2026 release for ME5. And, as a live service ME, it will be the only ME game we get this gen. So if we don't like who we play as, i.e. neither Shepard, nor Ryder, get really, really ready for some bad after taste. I definitely believe we’ll get one ME game this gen. And I do agree that a new protagonist will lead both crowd to be disappointed. Which would be an incredible feat, in a way, pissing off both crowds. I'm genuinely shocked people STILL expect to play as Shepard. His/hers story is over.
Ryder's story, however isn't. Andromeda simply ended with immediate threat defeated, with a lot of open questions left. So yeah, ditching Ryder now would make disappointment justified.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 12, 2020 14:38:48 GMT
traks : you can see in this very thread people of those crowds. Yeah, but those are two extremes of a very differentiated group of Mass Effect fans overall and IMO these groups are far smaller than you make them look when talking about them as if they would make up the bulk of the fans. I think the bulk of the fans is interested in more Mass Effect and not just in one possibility of the many BioWare could go on with. BTW; you didn't answer, which groups exactly you mean. Milky Way/Andromeda? Again, I am going to go with perception. What is good, what is bad, what would get more people on board, etc. One thing that companies usually do, after establishing a franchise with a cast that is well liked and then decide to retire it, they try it with a new cast and it either goes well or it doesn't. If the new title falls short of expectations, or worse bombs, then the studio brings back the established crew to promote the new one, or backpedal to the old one. Studios do that for a lot of reasons, but fan favourites are always a plus. It doesn't mean that Bioware needs to go down that route, they are free to go about it however they want. However, Bioware has not been doing that well for a while now. Criticisms have started, largely, since DA2. Then ToR wasn't that well received and only became profitable in, what was it, 2018? 7 years after launch? Embarrassing. Especially for a Star Wars title. ME3 was largely divisive, DA:I was met with mixed reception from the audiences while Andromeda and Anthem got slammed, regardless of personal opinions. Interest in Bioware and its IPs from the public have been waning and while you could follow up Andromeda with Andromeda 2, it would go about as well as one would expect Terminator: Dark Fate 2 to go. Its studio has categorically denied it will make a sequel to that movie. So what should Bioware do? Go back to Shepard and attract some good will? Double down on a very difficult endeavor to Andromeda 2? Apparently, Bioware decided to do neither. They're going back to the Milky Way, hundreds of years in the future, with a new protagonist and crew and, of course, Liara, who I thoroughly expect to see in every ME now, to the heat death of the universe. It's an unusual tactic. It might work. But I can't bring myself to care for it and, unless ME is Liara to you, I don't know if you'll care, either. I don't expect ME5 to be a great game. It will border on meh with some good ideas, terrible execution and the best gameplay of the series. It's a bargain bin title.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 12, 2020 16:20:38 GMT
traks : you can see in this very thread people of those crowds. Yeah, but those are two extremes of a very differentiated group of Mass Effect fans overall and IMO these groups are far smaller than you make them look when talking about them as if they would make up the bulk of the fans. I think the bulk of the fans is interested in more Mass Effect and not just in one possibility of the many BioWare could go on with. BTW; you didn't answer, which groups exactly you mean. Milky Way/Andromeda? Again, I am going to go with perception. What is good, what is bad, what would get more people on board, etc. One thing that companies usually do, after establishing a franchise with a cast that is well liked and then decide to retire it, they try it with a new cast and it either goes well or it doesn't. If the new title falls short of expectations, or worse bombs, then the studio brings back the established crew to promote the new one, or backpedal to the old one. Studios do that for a lot of reasons, but fan favourites are always a plus. It doesn't mean that Bioware needs to go down that route, they are free to go about it however they want. However, Bioware has not been doing that well for a while now. Criticisms have started, largely, since DA2. Then ToR wasn't that well received and only became profitable in, what was it, 2018? 7 years after launch? Embarrassing. Especially for a Star Wars title. ME3 was largely divisive, DA:I was met with mixed reception from the audiences while Andromeda and Anthem got slammed, regardless of personal opinions. Interest in Bioware and its IPs from the public have been waning and while you could follow up Andromeda with Andromeda 2, it would go about as well as one would expect Terminator: Dark Fate 2 to go. Its studio has categorically denied it will make a sequel to that movie. So what should Bioware do? Go back to Shepard and attract some good will? Double down on a very difficult endeavor to Andromeda 2? Apparently, Bioware decided to do neither. They're going back to the Milky Way, hundreds of years in the future, with a new protagonist and crew and, of course, Liara, who I thoroughly expect to see in every ME now, to the heat death of the universe. It's an unusual tactic. It might work. But I can't bring myself to care for it and, unless ME is Liara to you, I don't know if you'll care, either. I don't expect ME5 to be a great game. It will border on meh with some good ideas, terrible execution and the best gameplay of the series. It's a bargain bin title. Plot twist: Imagine if she IS the protagonist
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Post by azarhal on Dec 12, 2020 16:24:58 GMT
Then ToR wasn't that well received and only became profitable in, what was it, 2018? 7 years after launch? Unless you want to claim the game almost cost 1 billions to make, it can't have broken even after 8 years as EA announced TOR made more than 1 billions in revenue back in 2019...and it didn't make most of that money in 2018-2019. It's one of the top Western MMORPG when it comes to revenues since release actually. Also, the game was well received, but a MMO needs constant new content to keep players and BioWare failed to deliver. When I see people saying the future Bio games are going to be live services, I can only laugh. BioWare can't do live services, they can't staff the post launch content teams.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 12, 2020 16:27:55 GMT
Plot twist: Imagine if she IS the protagonist Plot twist #2; She is really a clone. The real one died on the beam run. Cerberus took the ashes of t'soni and cloned her so they could use her to do their bidding as the shadow broker
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Post by ahglock on Dec 12, 2020 16:36:07 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if the trailer was just them fishing for ideas. Put some vague crap in, hint at a few things, see how people respond in order to craft your plans. That would be wrong. Gamble already stated that the trailer is full of hints of where they are going with Mass Effect. Game is likely further in development than most people (myself included) thought. Hope this game comes out December 2021 ! More likely to see DA4 by that time. People say shit all the time. I have as much faith in Gambles statements as I have in the various youtubers who tell you they have the inside scoop.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 12, 2020 16:38:00 GMT
Plot twist: Imagine if she IS the protagonist I don't think a 700 year old granny asari is going to be a protagonist of a 3 man squad TPS. She's too old. Even Samara was ~300-400 years old and she was most likely at the far end of her active career. Neither Benezia, nor Aethyta were active any longer. And they probably were younger than what Liara will be in ME5. Unless you want to claim the game almost cost 1 billions to make, it can't have broken even only after 8 years as EA announced TOR made more than 1 billions in revenue back in 2019...and it didn't make most of that money in 2018-2019. It's one of the top Western MMORPG when it comes to revenues since release. There was an article that said ToR made back its budget. It was from ... 2018? 2017? I don't remember. I am sure someone here has the link to it. ToR going free to play made it vastly more profitable and that was a good move no doubt, but it wasn't received well on release. I am not forgetting the "ToRtanic".
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