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I made this: Let me know what you think. The video is private.
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Post by twalicious on Dec 19, 2020 21:16:23 GMT
Yeah, I've been following this thread for a while and it's a relentless back and forth debate between:
1)Setting: Milky Way, Andromeda or both?
2)Amount of time after the Reaper War.
3)Shepard as alive or dead. If dead, how much continuing impact Shepard will have.
Arguments vary, but I mostly see two camps form:
1) Milky Way/soon after war/Shepard alive. VS 2) Andromeda/long after war/Shepard dead.
This forum leans for 2 (very adamantly), while most other websites and YouTube lean 1 (as a consensus).
I wonder if this site is so 2 because for the longest time this has been the only real safe spot for Andromeda players to come and talk all things Andromeda, away from all the teasing and hate for the game elsewhere?
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 19, 2020 21:34:07 GMT
I made this: Let me know what you think. The video is private. Sorry, I've fixed it now.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 19, 2020 21:40:08 GMT
Let me know what you think. I think you sound like a Geth.
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 19, 2020 21:41:45 GMT
Let me know what you think. I think you sound like a Geth. You've found my secret!
I tried to make myself sound Turian, but I'm also not good at audio manipulation. In any case, sounding Geth is topical.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2020 21:45:31 GMT
Excuse me, Shinobu , I'd like another serving of this awesomesauce.
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 19, 2020 21:54:18 GMT
Excuse me, Shinobu , I'd like another serving of this awesomesauce. Aww, you're too kind. I got super excited because I thought the Witch's broom is 14K light years to the left of Earth, which would fit better, but then I saw I was off by a factor of 10, D'oh. Maybe the devs were off by a factor of 10 as well?
I'm a little afraid to do more videos because I'm pretty sure the fandom at large will not like what I think may happen.
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Post by souljahbill14 on Dec 19, 2020 21:56:20 GMT
Yeah, I've been following this thread for a while and it's a relentless back and forth debate between: 1)Setting: Milky Way, Andromeda or both? 2)Amount of time after the Reaper War. 3)Shepard as alive or dead. If dead, how much continuing impact Shepard will have. Arguments vary, but I mostly see two camps form: 1) Milky Way/soon after war/Shepard alive. VS 2) Andromeda/long after war/Shepard dead.This forum leans for 2 (very adamantly), while most other websites and YouTube lean 1 (as a consensus). I wonder if this site is so 2 because for the longest time this has been the only real safe spot for Andromeda players to come and talk all things Andromeda, away from all the teasing and hate for the game elsewhere? Sign me up for MW/Long After War/Shep dead
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 19, 2020 22:00:27 GMT
I'm a little afraid to do more videos because I'm pretty sure the fandom at large will not like what I think may happen. It shouldn't matter what you say, if it is the most educated guess you can make. Corrections can be made and discussions can be started as well. Unfortunately, the youtube section isn't the best place to discuss and, thanks to youtube's new policy, linking offsite, to here, is something that can get you banned. Great job, YouTube.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 19, 2020 22:11:19 GMT
I wonder if this site is so 2 because for the longest time this has been the only real safe spot for Andromeda players to come and talk all things Andromeda, away from all the teasing and hate for the game elsewhere? I think it's the educated choice. I'm sure this is posted elsewhere in the last 47 pages, but I think Ashe nails it. The other consideration is that Mike Gamble is not going to throw Andromeda under the bus, even if reference to it is picked up in passing.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 19, 2020 22:21:47 GMT
And there's more...
I think BioWare has a tricky task.
I've seen lots of people jump to the conclusion that 'Destroy' is canonised and Shepard & Garrus are back.
I can see that BioWare wants to move forward whilst addressing the whole franchise. I hope the story will be as exciting as the 'fan service' that many are assuming will arrive, but I suspect won't (entirely).
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Post by Iakus on Dec 19, 2020 22:22:13 GMT
Wouldn't be the first time Bio reconned someone's death (DAO comes to mind...) And YOU get a Lazarus Project, and YOU get a Lazarus Project, and YOU get a Lazarus Project! EVERYONE GETS A LAZARUS PROJECT!!!
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 19, 2020 22:23:39 GMT
Wouldn't be the first time Bio reconned someone's death (DAO comes to mind...) And YOU get a Lazarus Project, and YOU get a Lazarus Project, and YOU get a Lazarus Project! EVERYONE GETS A LAZARUS PROJECT!!! Just as long as it's not a Lazarus Pit... 😉😆🤣
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 19, 2020 22:32:00 GMT
I've seen lots of people jump to the conclusion that 'Destroy' is canonised and Shepard & Garrus are back. One thing I do know is that I won't be coming back for a sequel with Liara and Andromeda. There's nothing there for me. And there won't be for a lot of people. Judging from Andromeda's reception, less than those that returned last time, would show up for a ME5. ME:A did not make more fans than it lost. But I can be happy for those that want more Andromeda, even if, under this premise, it doesn't look like they'll be getting what they wanted, either.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 19, 2020 22:32:19 GMT
Yeah, I've been following this thread for a while and it's a relentless back and forth debate between: 1)Setting: Milky Way, Andromeda or both? 2)Amount of time after the Reaper War. 3)Shepard as alive or dead. If dead, how much continuing impact Shepard will have. Arguments vary, but I mostly see two camps form: 1) Milky Way/soon after war/Shepard alive. VS 2) Andromeda/long after war/Shepard dead.This forum leans for 2 (very adamantly), while most other websites and YouTube lean 1 (as a consensus). I wonder if this site is so 2 because for the longest time this has been the only real safe spot for Andromeda players to come and talk all things Andromeda, away from all the teasing and hate for the game elsewhere? That may be some of it, but also if the last ME you liked was ME3 that was 8-9 years ago. Most of them wont be around anymore. Now ME was only 2-3 years ago that's not so long that its fans would ditch out. But virtually every site has a dominant cliche, really hard to say what is reflective of the general gaming populace. Though my best guess impression is the more casuals which make up the bulk of sales all want Shepard again.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Dec 19, 2020 23:00:27 GMT
I would prefer if they pushed forward with Andromeda rather than possibly retconning the ending just to go back to the Milky Way, my biggest problem with Andromeda was the removed customization of squad mates and removing of pause in combat, and also the writing of Ryder and the companions that feels like it was written by teenagers for teenagers.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 19, 2020 23:13:40 GMT
I would prefer if they pushed forward with Andromeda rather than possibly retconning the ending just to go back to the Milky Way, my biggest problem with Andromeda was the removed customization of squad mates and removing of pause in combat, and also the writing of Ryder and the companions that feels like it was written by teenagers for teenagers. My preference is Andromeda with a time jump and new a protagonist and team. Sometimes not knowing what happened is a better ending than them telling you.
MEA had a ton of problems but for it going forward the main ones were an unpopular cast and a lame setting by which I mean their omega was a few sheds welded together and called a port, their citadel was fine, as was meridian potentially, but almost everything else was just small and unimpressive. When you visited the 1st remnant vault, that looked awesome, that should have been the norm, maybe the smallest vault, and cityscapes of that size should have been on almost every planet. ME1 was dealing with the OG Xbox and its limitations so we know why everything was a village, MEA did not have that excuse. Hopefully a time jump would solve this.
The combat had a lot of things I did not care for, but people seem to have enjoyed that aspect for the most part. So odds are they would just refine that. I think ME with access to all powers and 3 active powers does not feel right, and I can do everything man isn't a interesting concept to me, characters are defined by their limitations as much as their strengths, I like pause and control of my teammates so I do hope that returns.
On the neutral side the conversation system was a mixed bag, some people liked it others hated it. I think removing the defining feature of MEs conversation system(renegade/paragon) was a mistake and a big one. Others are happy its gone. Could it have been improved sure, renegade/paragon was not perfect in any of the games. But for me it is central for developing the feel of mass effect.
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 19, 2020 23:40:30 GMT
I'm a little afraid to do more videos because I'm pretty sure the fandom at large will not like what I think may happen. It shouldn't matter what you say, if it is the most educated guess you can make. Corrections can be made and discussions can be started as well. Unfortunately, the youtube section isn't the best place to discuss and, thanks to youtube's new policy, linking offsite, to here, is something that can get you banned. Great job, YouTube. Thank you, but as you know this fandom is quite divided and people confuse the messenger with the message all the time.
I'm pretty convinced Shepard won't be back as the PC and I know that's not something people want to hear.
I think it's interesting that the direction of the game may be bringing the Geth back post Destroy ending. Or fighting the Geth who survived the Destroy ending somehow.
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Post by vonuber on Dec 19, 2020 23:52:20 GMT
I'm pretty convinced Shepard won't be back as the PC and I know that's not something people want to hear. Sure, but given EA want to make money and sell shit, why wouldn't they go for that?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 19, 2020 23:55:21 GMT
I'm pretty convinced Shepard won't be back as the PC and I know that's not something people want to hear. I don't want to hear it either, but I know when I see it. It's just yet another Bioware title I won't be buying. I think it's interesting that the direction of the game may be bringing the Geth back post Destroy ending. Or fighting the Geth who survived the Destroy ending somehow. I ... got an aneurysm. Because there is no Ark 6. But what if there is an Ark 6. That would be stupid, if Bioware did that. But then again, this is Bioware so should I be surprised at this point? Probably not.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 20, 2020 0:38:40 GMT
Ark 6 is the geth because they have to have a reason for why they are still alive....
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 20, 2020 1:05:03 GMT
I'm pretty convinced Shepard won't be back as the PC and I know that's not something people want to hear. Sure, but given EA want to make money and sell shit, why wouldn't they go for that? Mostly because it's nigh impossible to keep track of all the decisions made over 3 games. Is Conrad Verner dead? Is he alive? If alive, did he get shot in the foot in ME2? Did we sign his autograph in ME1?
People were upset that in ME2 Conrad thought we waved a gun in his face in ME whether or nor we did. There are going to be so many decisions like that it will be impossible to keep track of them and honor them. That's just one minor thing in a trilogy full of choices.
Ok, so maybe all of the NPCs we've ever met in the OT died in the war and we just need to think about Shepard's core crew. Does that solve the problem? Not really.
The downside of Shroedinger's squad (who could be dead or alive) is that you can't get too into the details or it will piss people off. So say Shepard comes back. There can't be a mission that involves Wrex because maybe he was never recruited. Or Ash shot him. Or Shepard shot him. Or he was Shepard's best friend. There is no way to build a mission around him that takes all of those variables into consideration, so the end result is he can't return in any notable way. That goes for pretty much the rest of the squad as well. Every squadmate from ME2 could be dead. So they can't return as squadmates or major plot points in ME5 otherwise all of the people who killed them during the Suicide Mission will cry foul. Tali could die in ME2 or ME3, so she definitely can't be a squadmate in ME5 or have a major impact on the story. They tried the "replace Legion with Not-Legion" thing in ME3 and people didn't love it.
Ok, so say they just say f-it and set ME5 640 years post reaper war so that almost all the squad is dead and they keep mentions of how they died really vague so we're not sure if Wrex died on Virmire in ME1, the Citadel in ME3 or in his bed on Tuchanka post-war. Bringing Shepard back alone without all of her beloved crew is going to be really depressing. Like Alien 3 levels of depressing. Everyone will cry "No Shepard without Vakarian!" "My house on Rannoch!" "Where is Kaiden/Ash/Traynor/Cortez?" "What about Joker?" The thing we loved in the OT was all of the relationships we made along the way. That's why we love the Citadel DLC. Bringing Shepard back when all of his team is gone is not respectful to those relationships.
Shepard can't come back because it's too difficult to bring his squad back and he's not fun to play without them. If we're playing during a time Shepard is alive, Shepard will be off doing something important and we will only hear news reports about it.
I think the direction of ME5 will be that we are 640 years post Reaper war and everyone except Liara (including Shepard) are out of the picture. Shepard chose high EMS Destroy and lived out her life happily ever after with her team. However, now there's a new problem and Liara, the Shadow Broker, has tasked our PC with fixing whatever it is.
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 20, 2020 1:07:33 GMT
Ark 6 is the geth because they have to have a reason for why they are still alive.... I kind of doubt it, because the arks left before the reapers arrived and humanity wasn't friends with the geth until Shepard brokered peace on Rannoch (if he did).
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Post by bshep on Dec 20, 2020 2:36:04 GMT
And there's more... I think BioWare has a tricky task. I've seen lots of people jump to the conclusion that 'Destroy' is canonised and Shepard & Garrus are back. I can see that BioWare wants to move forward whilst addressing the whole franchise. I hope the story will be as exciting as the 'fan service' that many are assuming will arrive, but I suspect won't (entirely). To be fair i do think they will mix the better points of Destroy with Control: Reapers dead, Krogan, Quarians and Geth alive (Synthesis is too bizarre for me to even contemplate a sequel for it).
And while i don't believe they will bring back Shepard, i do believe they need to adress the trilogy ending to move forward in the Milky way. Having the story takes places centuries later would also help with that since they could make the explanation shorter than if ME5 takes place in a timeline when Shepard and company could all still be alive.
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Post by melbella on Dec 20, 2020 2:36:29 GMT
Ark 6 is the geth because they have to have a reason for why they are still alive.... I kind of doubt it, because the arks left before the reapers arrived and humanity wasn't friends with the geth until Shepard brokered peace on Rannoch (if he did).
If the geth are the Benefactor, there's no need for a 6th Ark - they are already in Andromeda.
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