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Post by Polka Dot on Dec 20, 2020 2:59:21 GMT
I kind of doubt it, because the arks left before the reapers arrived and humanity wasn't friends with the geth until Shepard brokered peace on Rannoch (if he did). If the geth are the Benefactor, there's no need for a 6th Ark - they are already in Andromeda.  Hmm... didn't the Ai base their entire Andromeda strategy on data collected by some geth supertelescope? Also - geth wouldn't need much to tag along to Andromeda, at least not unless they brought mobile platforms. Any old excess RAM would suffice.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 20, 2020 4:05:49 GMT
Arguments vary, but I mostly see two camps form: 1) Milky Way/soon after war/Shepard alive. VS 2) Andromeda/long after war/Shepard dead.This forum leans for 2 (very adamantly), while most other websites and YouTube lean 1 (as a consensus). I wonder if this site is so 2 because for the longest time this has been the only real safe spot for Andromeda players to come and talk all things Andromeda, away from all the teasing and hate for the game elsewhere? How are those other places dealing with Liara appearing older? And I thought MW/long after war/Shepard dead had a pretty strong presence here.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 20, 2020 9:01:53 GMT
How are those other places dealing with Liara appearing older? They don't notice it. And I thought MW/long after war/Shepard dead had a pretty strong presence here. This is the absolute worst they can do, to return to MW. |
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Post by traks on Dec 20, 2020 10:11:44 GMT
Arguments vary, but I mostly see two camps form: 1) Milky Way/soon after war/Shepard alive. VS 2) Andromeda/long after war/Shepard dead.This forum leans for 2 (very adamantly), while most other websites and YouTube lean 1 (as a consensus). I wonder if this site is so 2 because for the longest time this has been the only real safe spot for Andromeda players to come and talk all things Andromeda, away from all the teasing and hate for the game elsewhere? How are those other places dealing with Liara appearing older? And I thought MW/long after war/Shepard dead had a pretty strong presence here. That's my impression too.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 20, 2020 10:27:37 GMT
After more then a week from the teaser, I don't understand why so many people are convinced of the MW scenario right or shortly after ME3. Unless one doesn't go in any kind of forum or social media, Liara is clearly older. We can debate how long, sure, but Bioware intentionally placed wrinkle and lines on her face to show a passage of time. We can debate if other things in the teaser where placed as a memento of the trilogy, instead of purposefully (like the N7 piece), but unless Bioware wanted to troll people with Liara, it's clear she's older.
Now, I don't think this necessarily means we'd get a game in Andromeda, only with Liara. The scene is clearly set in the MW. Liara's age makes it possible that Liara could theorically depart to Andromeda post-ME3, but the age think still doesn't add up perfectly.
The fact that one of the original, longterm goal, for the Initiative was to establish a connection between the two galaxies, makes me think they might pull something to connect the two. But it's just a theory.
What I'd say is this, though: so far, even if I'm not ruling out any scenario, Ryder has more chances of getting back as the PC then Shepard (if the latter would be back, I think they'll place something for signaling this in the LE), even if a new PC is also quite possible, depending on the plot. But the teaser did give, at first look, the impression of a sequel to ME3 with possibly Shepard. Disappointment will clearly rise if that's not the case, but even more so if their idea of connecting the two galaxies and plots is to just bring Liara in the mix.
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Post by N7eezo on Dec 20, 2020 10:35:15 GMT
Game Informer @gameinformerA few BioWare veterans are returning to the studio for the new Mass Effect game: gameinformer.com/2020/12/15/several-bioware-veterans-return-for-new-mass-effect-gameIf some of these names don't sound familiar, here's a quick breakdown of who is who: Derek WattsWatts is the original Art Director for the Mass Effect series Brenon HolmesHolmes has worked on the entire Mass Effect trilogy, Dragon Age Inquisition and Origins, Andromeda, and more dating all the way back to Baldur's Gate II. He's a lifelong BioWare staple and intimately familiar with all of the evolutions this studio has undergone Parish LeyLey was the cinematic direct for the Mass Effect trilogy and he is returning to BioWare and the series specifically to bring back his vision for the new game Gamble also notes that he was the mastermind behind many key moments that Mass Effect fans love Dusty EvermanEverman was a key person when it came to bringing the vision of the original Normandy to life in the first Mass Effect game He left BioWare back in 2015, like Ley, but is returning to add his talents to the new Mass Effect game Holmes and Watts never left the studio, though they did work on other franchises, but Everman and Ley are both returning to the BioWare fold for more Mass Effect goodness. Michael Gamble @gamblemikeThere are a few more that we aren't announcing yet. Supper happy Watts & Co are onboard (again), at least visually it will be Mass Effect, no matter the facial animations 
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Post by traks on Dec 20, 2020 11:02:15 GMT
How are those other places dealing with Liara appearing older? They don't notice it. And I thought MW/long after war/Shepard dead had a pretty strong presence here. This is the absolute worst they can do, to return to MW. From what I gather, the option mentioned by alanc9 has probably indeed the most supporters because of three reasons: 1) With the way ME3 ended, many if not most consider their Shepard's story to be over with and don't want to play another Shepard, who didn't make the choices in the trilogy they did. 2) Undeniably there is a strong support to return to the Milky Way though. When you play in the Milky Way with another character, that enables players to accept world states other Shepard's might've created, because if you are not Shep, he/she becomes a historical figure. 3) A time jump then not only means that "many details have been lost, because it all happened so long ago", it also gives you the ability to tie in the Andromeda Initiative, which would be great, because without a connection (at least an initially planned one) to the Milky Way the premise of the AI lacks a solid foundation. Looking at it on such an abstract level shows IMO why BioWare might choose to go that way. Me personally? I too would like it, if they return to the safe file approach over multiple pre-planned games with only one playable character. That was a big draw to the trilogy. That doesn't mean though, that they can't first create a third PC now, if they can't/don't want to fit Ryder into the new story arc. BTW: I would also be interested (but only if done right) in another Shepard story. So maybe I'm lucky, but I think the reason for that is, that I "only" need a strong story with a solid premise that takes everything serious to keep me interested. In that regard, BioWare has to improve a lot from recent performances, but I can see how the "MW/long after war/without Shepard"-approach can work.
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Post by jadebaby88 on Dec 20, 2020 11:08:02 GMT
Game Informer @gameinformerA few BioWare veterans are returning to the studio for the new Mass Effect game: gameinformer.com/2020/12/15/several-bioware-veterans-return-for-new-mass-effect-gameIf some of these names don't sound familiar, here's a quick breakdown of who is who: Derek WattsWatts is the original Art Director for the Mass Effect series Brenon HolmesHolmes has worked on the entire Mass Effect trilogy, Dragon Age Inquisition and Origins, Andromeda, and more dating all the way back to Baldur's Gate II. He's a lifelong BioWare staple and intimately familiar with all of the evolutions this studio has undergone Parish LeyLey was the cinematic direct for the Mass Effect trilogy and he is returning to BioWare and the series specifically to bring back his vision for the new game Gamble also notes that he was the mastermind behind many key moments that Mass Effect fans love Dusty EvermanEverman was a key person when it came to bringing the vision of the original Normandy to life in the first Mass Effect game He left BioWare back in 2015, like Ley, but is returning to add his talents to the new Mass Effect game Holmes and Watts never left the studio, though they did work on other franchises, but Everman and Ley are both returning to the BioWare fold for more Mass Effect goodness. Michael Gamble @gamblemikeThere are a few more that we aren't announcing yet. Supper happy Watts & Co are onboard (again), at least visually it will be Mass Effect, no matter the facial animations Great post, thanks for sharing!
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 20, 2020 11:23:33 GMT
1) With the way ME3 ended, many if not most consider their Shepard's story to be over with and don't want to play another Shepard, who didn't make the choices in the trilogy they did. 2) Undeniably there is a strong support to return to the Milky Way though. When you play in the Milky Way with another character, that enables players to accept world states other Shepard's might've created, because if you are not Shep, he/she becomes a historical figure. These two are contradictory positions. 3) A time jump then not only means that "many details have been lost, because it all happened so long ago" Which is another way of saying "your choices didn't matter". it also gives you the ability to tie in the Andromeda Initiative, which would be great, because without a connection (at least an initially planned one) to the Milky Way the premise of the AI lacks a solid foundation. How about you don't go back to the Milky Way then? If you're not going to at least follow up on Ryder, the prospect of yet another protagonist doesn't seem to be the choice the fans are going for. At least Ryder has an audience. At least there's some demand for Ryder. Not to mention that it's becoming more and more obvious that Andromeda feels like a burden, than a boon, when Bioware are going out of their way to make a game in the Milky Way, with a new protagonist and bridge it over to Andromeda from there, instead of the other way around, so that Andromeda fans won't revolt as well, then bring Liara over to sell the game, when it takes place so long into the future of ME3 that she should be irrelevant to any plot ... it's a mess. It's a fucking mess and the premise seems destined to fail, under these conditions. This is destined to become a shitshow, either way. |
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Post by traks on Dec 20, 2020 13:04:22 GMT
...These two are contradictory positions... Which is another way of saying "your choices didn't matter"... 1 and 2 are not contradictory when you don't continue to play Shepard. 3 Your coices mattered in the trilogy but have no influence on the next threat/story arc in the ME universe. That is the price for different endings. |
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 20, 2020 13:08:13 GMT
1 and 2 are not contradictory when you don't continue to play Shepard. So my choices aren't ignored, as long as I don't play as the guy from the games, whose choices we're ignoring. That's not how it works. Why not reboot the entire franchise and erase Shepard altogether? What's the point? 3 Your coices mattered in the trilogy but have no influence on the next threat/story arc in the ME universe. That is the price for different endings. Fuck the endings.
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Post by N7eezo on Dec 20, 2020 15:39:27 GMT
I picked one hell of a couple of days to be off the grid and only since yesterday was able to catch up on it all.
Reading trough 48 pages:
Many fun and interesting theories I haven't found elsewhere (and that's why I love the BSN community)
I'm stoked that there is a NEW Mass Effect game in the works, even if it's early and guaranteed not all will be happy with the result, no matter if it's which galaxy setting, story and characters are part of it.
As stated a couple of post above, very nice some important key members of Mass Effect are still or again back at Bioware. the trailer music has been fitting too.
I am generally thrilled, even if the blue stalker, writers pet, with plot armor (that I dislike so much, because she's forced on the player) makes a trailer appearance.
Unless it's a time travel/alternate universe/reality story I'm wondering WHAT IF there multiple parts of fanservice, gap filling, before the actual "new game" starts, with different protagonists/crews and galaxies...?
1st contact war: heard in the trailer
play with or as Alec N7 Ryder for a mission (intro into Mass Effect for new people), as well as a potential game play tutorial.
Many were upset he passed away quickly in Andromeda
some think a 1st contact war would be a good game.
fan favorite Turians return, not sure lore wise, maybe a young Garrus or Garrus dad?
Shepards' back story mission
one final mission that started the hero's journey.
pre-ME2 mission recovering Shepard's body:
play as Liara, Miranda, Jacob. Potentially other ME1 NPCs could appear, including the fan favorite Shadow Broker
Basically a Shepard goodbye of sorts
Ark 6 departure:
something for all the Quarian, Batarian etc. lovers
post (destroy) ME3: the climbing reapers scene
what happed overall, what happened to MET characters.
MEA post Meridian:
Tempest crew doing whatever plot for new game need to be done + some closure/continuation of (Jaardan, Scourge, Benefactor, Jien Garson, Kett)
NEW game setting:
Real start of new game/story, where winkled Liara observing mud-skipper and new protagonist with the new crew.
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Post by traks on Dec 20, 2020 15:42:21 GMT
1 and 2 are not contradictory when you don't continue to play Shepard. So my choices aren't ignored, as long as I don't play as the guy from the games, whose choices we're ignoring. That's not how it works. Why not reboot the entire franchise and erase Shepard altogether? What's the point?3 Your coices mattered in the trilogy but have no influence on the next threat/story arc in the ME universe. That is the price for different endings. Fuck the endings. The point is a new chapter, a new threat, a new challenge in the Mass Effect universe that doesn't depend on what any of our Shepards did. He or she was only one person. Not everything revolves around that one person's choices. None of us is THAT important. There are others too and threats that don't care about how the Reaper's were defeated.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 20, 2020 16:36:32 GMT
3) A time jump then not only means that "many details have been lost, because it all happened so long ago" Which is another way of saying "your choices didn't matter". Hell, I figured that out with ME3...
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Post by Iakus on Dec 20, 2020 16:40:15 GMT
So my choices aren't ignored, as long as I don't play as the guy from the games, whose choices we're ignoring. That's not how it works. Why not reboot the entire franchise and erase Shepard altogether? What's the point?Fuck the endings. The point is a new chapter, a new threat, a new challenge in the Mass Effect universe that doesn't depend on what any of our Shepards did. He or she was only one person. Not everything revolves around that one person's choices. None of us is THAT important. There are others too and threats that don't care about how the Reaper's were defeated. NOOOOOO! Shepard isn't just one person. Shepard is THE SHEPARD! Space Jesus! Who died for our sins and bathed the galaxy in his/her red, green, or blue blessing! The relentless undead cyborg who was born to save us from the Reapers!
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 20, 2020 16:49:51 GMT
The point is a new chapter, a new threat, a new challenge in the Mass Effect universe that doesn't depend on what any of our Shepards did. He or she was only one person. Not everything revolves around that one person's choices. None of us is THAT important. There are others too and threats that don't care about how the Reaper's were defeated. I don't believe you'll find what you're looking for in that far off a future, with nothing to build on. You'd have better luck with a new IP altogether. |
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 20, 2020 16:51:35 GMT
I picked one hell of a couple of days to be off the grid and only since yesterday was able to catch up on it all. Reading trough 48 pages: Many fun and interesting theories I haven't found elsewhere (and that's why I love the BSN community) I'm stoked that there is a NEW Mass Effect game in the works, even if it's early and guaranteed not all will be happy with the result, no matter if it's which galaxy setting, story and characters are part of it. As stated a couple of post above, very nice some important key members of Mass Effect are still or again back at Bioware. the trailer music has been fitting too. I am generally thrilled, even if the blue stalker, writers pet, with plot armor (that I dislike so much, because she's forced on the player) makes a trailer appearance. Unless it's a time travel/alternate universe/reality story I'm wondering WHAT IF there multiple parts of fanservice, gap filling, before the actual "new game" starts, with different protagonists/crews and galaxies...? 1st contact war: heard in the trailer play with or as Alec N7 Ryder for a mission (intro into Mass Effect for new people), as well as a potential game play tutorial. Many were upset he passed away quickly in Andromeda some think a 1st contact war would be a good game. fan favorite Turians return, not sure lore wise, maybe a young Garrus or Garrus dad? Shepards' back story missionone final mission that started the hero's journey. pre-ME2 mission recovering Shepard's body: play as Liara, Miranda, Jacob. Potentially other ME1 NPCs could appear, including the fan favorite Shadow Broker Basically a Shepard goodbye of sorts Ark 6 departure: something for all the Quarian, Batarian etc. lovers post (destroy) ME3: the climbing reapers scene what happed overall, what happened to MET characters. MEA post Meridian: Tempest crew doing whatever plot for new game need to be done + some closure/continuation of (Jaardan, Scourge, Benefactor, Jien Garson, Kett) NEW game setting: Real start of new game/story, where winkled Liara observing mud-skipper and new protagonist with the new crew. I was thinking about time travel/parallel universe, but i don't think they'll go as far and do that. The dialogues were going along with the imagery in chronological order. Most likely we either gonna have a new pc and crew with the mudskipper as the main ship (it doesn't strike me as one though), or ryder and crew but I'm not very sure about that yet, although the middle figure does look like him/her.. |
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Post by Iakus on Dec 20, 2020 17:05:10 GMT
The point is a new chapter, a new threat, a new challenge in the Mass Effect universe that doesn't depend on what any of our Shepards did. He or she was only one person. Not everything revolves around that one person's choices. None of us is THAT important. There are others too and threats that don't care about how the Reaper's were defeated. I don't believe you'll find what you're looking for in that far off a future, with nothing to build on. You'd have better luck with a new IP altogether. I always said MEA would have been better received if it was a new IP, and didn't have "Mass Effect" in the title.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 20, 2020 17:08:09 GMT
I picked one hell of a couple of days to be off the grid and only since yesterday was able to catch up on it all. Reading trough 48 pages: Many fun and interesting theories I haven't found elsewhere (and that's why I love the BSN community) I'm stoked that there is a NEW Mass Effect game in the works, even if it's early and guaranteed not all will be happy with the result, no matter if it's which galaxy setting, story and characters are part of it. As stated a couple of post above, very nice some important key members of Mass Effect are still or again back at Bioware. the trailer music has been fitting too. I am generally thrilled, even if the blue stalker, writers pet, with plot armor (that I dislike so much, because she's forced on the player) makes a trailer appearance. Unless it's a time travel/alternate universe/reality story I'm wondering WHAT IF there multiple parts of fanservice, gap filling, before the actual "new game" starts, with different protagonists/crews and galaxies...? 1st contact war: heard in the trailer play with or as Alec N7 Ryder for a mission (intro into Mass Effect for new people), as well as a potential game play tutorial. Many were upset he passed away quickly in Andromeda some think a 1st contact war would be a good game. fan favorite Turians return, not sure lore wise, maybe a young Garrus or Garrus dad? Shepards' back story missionone final mission that started the hero's journey. pre-ME2 mission recovering Shepard's body: play as Liara, Miranda, Jacob. Potentially other ME1 NPCs could appear, including the fan favorite Shadow Broker Basically a Shepard goodbye of sorts Ark 6 departure: something for all the Quarian, Batarian etc. lovers post (destroy) ME3: the climbing reapers scene what happed overall, what happened to MET characters. MEA post Meridian: Tempest crew doing whatever plot for new game need to be done + some closure/continuation of (Jaardan, Scourge, Benefactor, Jien Garson, Kett) NEW game setting: Real start of new game/story, where winkled Liara observing mud-skipper and new protagonist with the new crew. Corny as it may sound, I'd take an interest in the game if the AI learns time travel is possible from studying Jaardan technology, and uses it to go back an "fix" ME3's ending. Just saying.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 20, 2020 17:18:07 GMT
I always said MEA would have been better received if it was a new IP, and didn't have "Mass Effect" in the title. Might even have sold it, if they had done so. |
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Post by themikefest on Dec 20, 2020 17:37:23 GMT
Corny as it may sound, I'd take an interest in the game if the AI learns time travel is possible from studying Jaardan technology, and uses it to go back an "fix" ME3's ending. Just saying. As much as little Ryder liked having a voice in the head, I wouldn't be surprised if he/she were to jump in the green before Shepard was about to shoot the tube.  At what point in ME3 would they have to show up to know what to fix?
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Post by Iakus on Dec 20, 2020 17:53:29 GMT
Corny as it may sound, I'd take an interest in the game if the AI learns time travel is possible from studying Jaardan technology, and uses it to go back an "fix" ME3's ending. Just saying. As much as little Ryder liked having a voice in the head, I wouldn't be surprised if he/she were to jump in the green before Shepard was about to shoot the tube.   Honestly, any point in ME3 would do. But definitely at some point prior to Shepard having to pick a color.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 20, 2020 18:00:53 GMT
Not prior to Rannoch? (Tuchanka's easy enough to fudge if we're trying to get rid of the trilogy choices.)
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 20, 2020 18:42:41 GMT
Honestly, any point in ME3 would do. But definitely at some point prior to Shepard having to pick a color. Give Shepard a renegade prompt to shove Ryder into green light/blue lightning or shove a grenade down their pants and knock them out against the blast panel. |
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Post by Phantom on Dec 20, 2020 18:56:31 GMT
If a time travel plot, somehow involves a Cerberus Phantom Commander, Volus infiltrator, a Trio of Vorcha, Geth Duo, Krogan Berserker and a C-Sec Detective duo help retcon the ME3 endings, I am game. I know Cerberus Phantom Commander will make some people in here to get their brain bleeds heavily for they don't like Cerberus.
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