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Post by Iakus on Dec 20, 2020 19:33:52 GMT
If a time travel plot, somehow involves a Cerberus Phantom Commander, Volus infiltrator, a Trio of Vorcha, Geth Duo, Krogan Berserker and a C-Sec Detective duo help retcon the ME3 endings, I am game. I know Cerberus Phantom Commander will make some people in here to get their brain bleeds heavily for they don't like Cerberus. An old, kinda manic hanar scientist and it's young, hotheaded elcor assistant who doesn't like to be called "chicken"
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 20, 2020 19:36:54 GMT
I don't believe you'll find what you're looking for in that far off a future, with nothing to build on. You'd have better luck with a new IP altogether. I always said MEA would have been better received if it was a new IP, and didn't have "Mass Effect" in the title. I don’t doubt that this would’ve been the case...but I don’t think it’d have been received well, in any case, given the state of the game at release. I think the situation of Andromeda is similar enough to DA2, in the sense that the actual game was developed in a short aumont of time (given that the original idea was a NMS-like game that was eventually scrapped, but it was far in development), with the difference that with Andromeda the fault was fully on Bioware’s side. I do wonder if some of the things in the game that resemble ME were due the short aumont of time to develop the story/plot and the game, or not.
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Post by Phantom on Dec 20, 2020 21:22:31 GMT
If a time travel plot, somehow involves a Cerberus Phantom Commander, Volus infiltrator, a Trio of Vorcha, Geth Duo, Krogan Berserker and a C-Sec Detective duo help retcon the ME3 endings, I am game. I know Cerberus Phantom Commander will make some people in here to get their brain bleeds heavily for they don't like Cerberus. An old, kinda manic hanar scientist and it's young, hotheaded elcor assistant who doesn't like to be called "chicken" Well that would be interesting to see that as main characters within Mass Effect of either galaxies.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 21, 2020 16:49:41 GMT
I wonder is the title gonna be Mass Effect only, or is there gonna be a number or something like MEA.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 21, 2020 16:52:44 GMT
wonder is the title gonna be Mass Effect only, or is there gonna be a number or something like MEA. We can't have a "Mass Effect" only title. That's the first game in the franchise, already.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 21, 2020 20:07:11 GMT
1st contact war: heard in the trailer play with or as Alec N7 Ryder for a mission (intro into Mass Effect for new people), as well as a potential game play tutorial. Many were upset he passed away quickly in Andromeda some think a 1st contact war would be a good game. fan favorite Turians return, not sure lore wise, maybe a young Garrus or Garrus dad? Oooo, yes. Talk dirty to me. I'm still holding out for a game during the First Contact War. The chaos, the anxiety of an unknown enemy... the shattering realization we're not alone in the galaxy, the history making. The setting would be phenomenal, if the writers and story of unfolding events preceding ME1 were done right. Ugh, I go weak in the knees with the potential. Be far better than an Andromeda 2. As far as titles go, it's kind of a mess. Mass Effect Mass Effect 2 Mass Effect 3 Mass Effect: Andromeda Mass Effect 4? ME4 does give the impression that it's a continuation of Shepard's story which is unfortunately unlikely (but not impossible). However, it also gives the impression of being back in the Milky Way which is a practically a given. So BioWare could get away with a title like ME4, but they'd have to fight off misconceptions about Shepard's story. A new title would make most sense if there's considerable merging with Andromeda content and a new protagonist. I doubt for sure it'll be anything like ME:A2. A title like that would keep many gamers from giving the game a chance.
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Post by N7eezo on Dec 21, 2020 20:20:42 GMT
the way speculation is going, how about Mass Effect (new) Horizons as the next title Anyway much more importantly there is a morse code signal in the trailer at the beginning and it seems to be N7 on a loop. Also more voice audio decoded. source: https://www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/kh2r6a/trailer_voice_audio_enhanced/
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Post by malanek on Dec 21, 2020 20:58:56 GMT
I'm optimistic about the new trailer although I suspect the game is many years away and they haven't actually implemented anything. I think it is pretty clear that Bioware does their best work when they have something working that they can iterate on, I think it is essential they get a prototype built as quickly as possible rather than hoping everything comes together at the last moment.
I really hope the writers start using a bit more logic in determining their storylines. The big problem with even going to Andromeda in the first place is that the writers are not paying any attention to balancing or considering technology levels.
For instance the Andromeda storyline assumes either a destroy, or more likely refuse/Reapers win outcome. Under Control or Synthesis the Milky Way species would have already been in Andromeda for hundreds of years before the initiative despite leaving much later, simply because their propulsion systems and other technology levels are so much more advanced while their resources are so much more plentiful.
If there was genuine motivation in going to Andromeda when it was really, really hard and expensive, there is no reason to not go when it is relatively cheap and easy.
I think the only sensible way to move the story forward and keep the setting easily identifiable as mass effect, is to go with a destroy ending. All the other endings make for a fundamentally different setting.
I mostly enjoyed playing Andromeda but the overall level of storytelling was poor and lacked basic logical integrity. The whole setting was created to avoid working with the endings from the previous game which imo is a bad place to start from.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 21, 2020 21:18:10 GMT
I mostly enjoyed playing Andromeda but the overall level of storytelling was poor and lacked basic logical integrity. The whole setting was created to avoid working with the endings from the previous game which imo is a bad place to start from. Agreed. Andromeda was a desperate step on BioWare's part to continue milking the Mass Effect legacy without owning up to the chaotic endings players were left with. I'm not sure what their intentions are with the Remaster, but a part of me thinks they're aiming to solidify or canonize an ending with an explanation so they can move forward with the original legacy. This completely makes Andromeda pointless, however, so I struggle trying to see how or why Andromeda and Ryder should return at all. The mental/lore gymnastics required to merge the two settings is also silly and lacks integrity which could make a bigger mess than Andromeda already was.
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Post by bshep on Dec 22, 2020 7:57:01 GMT
1st contact war: heard in the trailer play with or as Alec N7 Ryder for a mission (intro into Mass Effect for new people), as well as a potential game play tutorial. Many were upset he passed away quickly in Andromeda some think a 1st contact war would be a good game. fan favorite Turians return, not sure lore wise, maybe a young Garrus or Garrus dad? Oooo, yes. Talk dirty to me. I'm still holding out for a game during the First Contact War. The chaos, the anxiety of an unknown enemy... the shattering realization we're not alone in the galaxy, the history making. The setting would be phenomenal, if the writers and story of unfolding events preceding ME1 were done right. Ugh, I go weak in the knees with the potential. Be far better than an Andromeda 2. As far as titles go, it's kind of a mess. Mass Effect Mass Effect 2 Mass Effect 3 Mass Effect: Andromeda Mass Effect 4? ME4 does give the impression that it's a continuation of Shepard's story which is unfortunately unlikely (but not impossible). However, it also gives the impression of being back in the Milky Way which is a practically a given. So BioWare could get away with a title like ME4, but they'd have to fight off misconceptions about Shepard's story. A new title would make most sense if there's considerable merging with Andromeda content and a new protagonist. I doubt for sure it'll be anything like ME:A2. A title like that would keep many gamers from giving the game a chance. Or they could simply go with the ME5 name. Also best not to confuse the (small) pool of players in this site with a more general one.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Dec 22, 2020 17:24:11 GMT
OK, I'll admit I haven't read all 49 pages of this thread, but...can't Liara die in the race for the beam if your EMS is low and she's one of your squadmates? It seems like they'd be canonizing more than just Shepard's final choice if she's in this game and it's set in the post-MET future.
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Post by kumazan on Dec 22, 2020 18:40:04 GMT
OK, I'll admit I haven't read all 49 pages of this thread, but...can't Liara die in the race for the beam if your EMS is low and she's one of your squadmates? It seems like they'd be canonizing more than just Shepard's final choice if she's in this game and it's set in the post-MET future. They have to canonize more than the final choice if they want to return to the Milky Way anyway. The fate of entire species depends on it.
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Post by Little Bengel on Dec 22, 2020 20:33:40 GMT
OK, I'll admit I haven't read all 49 pages of this thread, but...can't Liara die in the race for the beam if your EMS is low and she's one of your squadmates? It seems like they'd be canonizing more than just Shepard's final choice if she's in this game and it's set in the post-MET future. They have to canonize more than the final choice if they want to return to the Milky Way anyway. The fate of entire species depends on it. I don't really have a problem with that. A good amount of games with choices have canon outcomes, which sometimes have little to do with the choices available to us (DX:HR's ending, for instance). I can work with the same thing here for the next game. I'm mostly curious to know the details of what they're going with, and how the galaxy will evolve from that point onwards.
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Post by Garo on Dec 22, 2020 21:27:46 GMT
I'm just happy we will get new ME content. Hopefully good content.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 22, 2020 22:26:21 GMT
They have to canonize more than the final choice if they want to return to the Milky Way anyway. The fate of entire species depends on it. I don't really have a problem with that. A good amount of games with choices have canon outcomes, which sometimes have little to do with the choices available to us (DX:HR's ending, for instance). I can work with the same thing here for the next game. I'm mostly curious to know the details of what they're going with, and how the galaxy will evolve from that point onwards. It's funny how some questions just cycle. We were debating this point even before the EC shipped..
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Post by twalicious on Dec 22, 2020 23:17:12 GMT
I'm just happy we will get new ME content. Hopefully good content. True that. The only scenario I think that I'd be unwilling to try for ME4 is a Liara addition to the Ryder crew with large involvement of kett/scourge. I'd be OK with a new protagonist and a whole new crew entirely at this point.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 22, 2020 23:27:17 GMT
I'd be OK with a new protagonist and a whole new crew entirely at this point. What's the point of that? Bioware has proven itself, over the past 10 years, able to write only bland characters. I don't see the whole point of "here's the new crew, same as the old crew". I'm just done with that prospect.
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Post by eternalambiguity on Dec 23, 2020 3:44:12 GMT
I'd be OK with a new protagonist and a whole new crew entirely at this point. What's the point of that? Bioware has proven itself, over the past 10 years, able to write only bland characters. I don't see the whole point of "here's the new crew, same as the old crew". I'm just done with that prospect. The point of it is to move on and tell a new story with new characters, who can be different people with new arcs. To allow newcomers to approach the series without needing to play 3 and 4 games to understand the characters in the story. And what does "the point" have to do with bland characters? If Bioware can only write bland characters, they'll be bland if they're Garrus, PeeBee, or whomever is next. That's irrelevant.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 23, 2020 11:33:06 GMT
The point of it is to move on and tell a new story with new characters, who can be different people with new arcs. To allow newcomers to approach the series without needing to play 3 and 4 games to understand the characters in the story. I'd agree, if the franchise was healthier. And what does "the point" have to do with bland characters? If Bioware can only write bland characters, they'll be bland if they're Garrus, PeeBee, or whomever is next. That's irrelevant. I know. But it creates two problems - Who is Bioware expecting to actually sell this game to - Taking into consideration what they've been delivering, what do they expect to achieve with this now? And the thing is, they've tarnished their reputation, they've soured the public and lost their trust, they can't make a new IP a worthwhile investment and without an established IP, people aren't going to be wooed by that prospect. Corrective steps need to be taken, in order to move forward and you can't make those while trying, yet again, to ignore the past.
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Post by eternalambiguity on Dec 23, 2020 13:56:50 GMT
I'd agree, if the franchise was healthier. Are you saying you disagree that that's the point? Or are you saying that you don't think that "point" or reason is worthwhile? I know. But it creates two problems - Who is Bioware expecting to actually sell this game to - Taking into consideration what they've been delivering, what do they expect to achieve with this now? And the thing is, they've tarnished their reputation, they've soured the public and lost their trust, they can't make a new IP a worthwhile investment and without an established IP, people aren't going to be wooed by that prospect. Corrective steps need to be taken, in order to move forward and you can't make those while trying, yet again, to ignore the past. How would any of this change if Bioware used an existing protagonist and crew? What you're describing has nothing to do with the the characters and everything to do with Bioware. "Bioware's writing chops" and "old vs new cast" are not related, or if they are I haven't seen an explanation for how or why.
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Post by Little Bengel on Dec 23, 2020 14:13:48 GMT
I'd agree, if the franchise was healthier. Are you saying you disagree that that's the point? Or are you saying that you don't think that "point" or reason is worthwhile? I know. But it creates two problems - Who is Bioware expecting to actually sell this game to - Taking into consideration what they've been delivering, what do they expect to achieve with this now? And the thing is, they've tarnished their reputation, they've soured the public and lost their trust, they can't make a new IP a worthwhile investment and without an established IP, people aren't going to be wooed by that prospect. Corrective steps need to be taken, in order to move forward and you can't make those while trying, yet again, to ignore the past. How would any of this change if Bioware used an existing protagonist and crew? What you're describing has nothing to do with the the characters and everything to do with Bioware. "Bioware's writing chops" and "old vs new cast" are not related, or if they are I haven't seen an explanation for how or why. Personally, we can't even properly judge BioWare's writing chops as of late when their most recent releases (Andromeda and Anthem) had dev cycles that didn't give the writing team sufficient breathing room to do something befitting of a well-rounded final product.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 23, 2020 14:43:43 GMT
Are you saying you disagree that that's the point? Or are you saying that you don't think that "point" or reason is worthwhile? I absolutely agree with the sentiment, at some point the franchise needs to move forward. Not when it is hemorrhaging for past faults, though. That's ignoring the problem and hoping it fixes itself out. We saw how that went with Andromeda. How would any of this change if Bioware used an existing protagonist and crew? What you're describing has nothing to do with the the characters and everything to do with Bioware. "Bioware's writing chops" and "old vs new cast" are not related, or if they are I haven't seen an explanation for how or why. The problem is trust and the public's willingness to follow Bioware forward. Andromeda wasn't a good game. But not so bad to put the franchise on ice, as it did. That I didn't follow it wasn't an issue. That so many others didn't was an issue. Trying a repeat of that won't help, under the current quality of Bioware's offerings and, even so, it doesn't stop the bleeding. It is highly likely that, with current prospects and trending interest, ME5 will attract a smaller crowd, compared to even Andromeda. So Bioware, regardless of the quality of a game we can expect them to deliver, has to act as a company and work towards fixing some of its problems. Even a bad ME with Shepard, judging just by the Liara teaser cameo and public reaction, will go a long way with the community right now.
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Post by eternalambiguity on Dec 23, 2020 16:10:54 GMT
Are you saying you disagree that that's the point? Or are you saying that you don't think that "point" or reason is worthwhile? I absolutely agree with the sentiment, at some point the franchise needs to move forward. Not when it is hemorrhaging for past faults, though. That's ignoring the problem and hoping it fixes itself out. We saw how that went with Andromeda. How would any of this change if Bioware used an existing protagonist and crew? What you're describing has nothing to do with the the characters and everything to do with Bioware. "Bioware's writing chops" and "old vs new cast" are not related, or if they are I haven't seen an explanation for how or why. The problem is trust and the public's willingness to follow Bioware forward. Andromeda wasn't a good game. But not so bad to put the franchise on ice, as it did. That I didn't follow it wasn't an issue. That so many others didn't was an issue. Trying a repeat of that won't help, under the current quality of Bioware's offerings and, even so, it doesn't stop the bleeding. It is highly likely that, with current prospects and trending interest, ME5 will attract a smaller crowd, compared to even Andromeda. So Bioware, regardless of the quality of a game we can expect them to deliver, has to act as a company and work towards fixing some of its problems. Even a bad ME with Shepard, judging just by the Liara teaser cameo and public reaction, will go a long way with the community right now. It sounds like you're saying it doesn't matter how well they can write. It sounds like you're saying that you're simply interested in the old crew, regardless of Bioware "only being able to write bland characters."
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 23, 2020 16:34:45 GMT
It sounds like you're saying it doesn't matter how well they can write. It does. Even if a bad or mediocre title can do harm to the game, as long as you don't break it, it can have a future. Maybe not as good as previously, but if it isn't broken, you don't have to go back and fix it. You can move on to the next title. It sounds like you're saying that you're simply interested in the old crew, regardless of Bioware "only being able to write bland characters." I'm interested in fixing what is broken. Otherwise, I have no trust and no confidence in the studio. I didn't like Andromeda. A lot of people didn't like Andromeda. Andromeda, however, did not kill the franchise to the point of it being non viable. ME3 did it. Whether Bioware wants to make ME:A2, I don't care. In fact, I endorse it, even if it is only to spare the pain of Andromeda's fans that got blueballed with its cancellation of further support. But ME won't survive that now. After the original reception and, especially, the Liara teaser, the people who want ME "fixed" from ME3 will not return for ME:A2. After that is fixed, they may follow ME to wherever it may go, provided Bioware doesn't break it again. But I do expect whatever Bioware makes, going forward, to be equally bland and void of interest as anything they've produced over the past decade. Unless DA4, or whatever else they make in between, proves otherwise.
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Post by eternalambiguity on Dec 24, 2020 1:54:05 GMT
It sounds like you're saying it doesn't matter how well they can write. It does. Even if a bad or mediocre title can do harm to the game, as long as you don't break it, it can have a future. Maybe not as good as previously, but if it isn't broken, you don't have to go back and fix it. You can move on to the next title. It sounds like you're saying that you're simply interested in the old crew, regardless of Bioware "only being able to write bland characters." I'm interested in fixing what is broken. Otherwise, I have no trust and no confidence in the studio. I didn't like Andromeda. A lot of people didn't like Andromeda. Andromeda, however, did not kill the franchise to the point of it being non viable. ME3 did it. Whether Bioware wants to make ME:A2, I don't care. In fact, I endorse it, even if it is only to spare the pain of Andromeda's fans that got blueballed with its cancellation of further support. But ME won't survive that now. After the original reception and, especially, the Liara teaser, the people who want ME "fixed" from ME3 will not return for ME:A2. After that is fixed, they may follow ME to wherever it may go, provided Bioware doesn't break it again. But I do expect whatever Bioware makes, going forward, to be equally bland and void of interest as anything they've produced over the past decade. Unless DA4, or whatever else they make in between, proves otherwise. Okay, from this it sounds like you're basically saying that even with the current "blandness" of Bioware's writing some people will play just because of the old crew, while those people wouldn't play if there was a new crew because of how bland Bioware's writing is. That correct? This is the only way I see of connecting your two original claims together.
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