New Mass Effect Teaser Trailer

Is this the same source that "misled" you in the first place? If so anything they give you I would highly question. Regardless I think we'd like to know what was said. 

Someone said at one point that discussion about the next DA game in its own Game Awards thread had died out as opposed to discussion about the next ME because ME is that much more popular, even here. 
Discussion hasn't died out, it's just slower because after nitpicking every inch on that video, discussing the lore that can be tied to it, possible characters and plot points, the short stories released on DA Day and from Tevinter Nights, at the the end of the day, the game is still at least 2 years away. We've discussed basically everything that we can at this point. Unless there's anything new, what else is there to talk about? The same 4 or 5 topics round and round until we're blue in the face and which have no conclusion because we have no new info anymore?
It only looks like discussion has died out because this thread has at least 10 pages of people moaning and bickering about Liara's face folds and going around in circles about the same 4 or 5 topics. I mean, Christ, we talked about how Solas looks in the teaser, sure, and his cartoonish butt-chin, but that didn't last even for one page, I don't think.

The issue, from my point of view, is not the denial or acceptance of anything. It's the fact that no one wants to shut up about it and move on to something else because they want to be the ones that are right. We won't know who's right for a veeeery long time. And what happens when we do find out who's right? They'll get to say "I told you so". That's it. Congratulations, I solved your debate, you can all preemptively say that right now and we can move on to something of more substance.

Are we going to talk about this until the game is out? Is there really nothing else worth talking about? If not, then maybe the best thing is to stop altogether and resume when there's something new. This is just getting ridiculous.

What else is there to talk about, may I ask? Tali's sweat? It's a freaking Teaser, that showed basically nothing, and implied somewhat positive things for people who've been bitching for the past 9 years. Liara's face is, quite literally, the only new piece of information this trailer delivered, other than a new shuttle type craft, and really, how much mileage are people gonna get out of that?

You are aware that this forum has been basically nothing but regurgitated arguments on repeat for close to a decade right? What, should we all just walk away, leaving the forum a wasteland of zero activity? There is nothing new to discuss about Bioware, in general and hasn't been for years. Like, I understand your point, but honestly, the only alternative is for everyone to just leave the forum for the next 3 years until real news emerges. 

I was talking about the wrinkles topic, you know, things that have nothing of value to add to a discussion beyond a few mentions, but if you think there is literally nothing else of more value to talk about on this forum besides that, sure, you do you. This is the hill where we lay our banner, I guess, no other topics exist, no other new ideas, impressions, suggestions about anything else EXCEPT some face folds. There is nothing in between the 2 extremes of saying nothing ever again and talking about topics that you wouldn't hear in a beauty salon for more than 10 minutes. Guess I'll see myself out of the forum, then, by that logic.

Ditto

I've offered my thoughts in this thread about a number of topics from the teaser. Sometimes they've been ignored or overlooked, sometimes they've sparked a bit of a discussion between myself and other posters. Because I haven't done so recently means that I can't find anything else/there isn't anything else to take from this teaser and talk further in this thread. Or if there is, I'm probably not the only one to miss it, considering we've been returning to the trending topic of wrinkles a few times now. It's ok to let a thread be buried for a while, that doesn't mean there aren't other threads on this entire forum. There might be a little less activity overall right now, but it's still the holidays. I see there's new posts even in the Anthem sub-section.
Comparing this thread to it's Dragon Age counterpart, that one has 33 pages, with the last 2 pages having posts from between Dec 27th and Dec 31st. And in it we've talked about a lot of other information we have available from a gaggle of comics, 5 novels, Tevinter Nights, the DA Day short stories, 2 volumes of World of Thedas, the VGA teaser from 2018, the BTS video from Gamescom and the VGA teaser from this year. That's more than we can say about the next ME, and that thread has pretty much run its course. But there are other threads about discussing other more obscure parts of the lore, places to help new players etc.

First, I wanna ask if this is something you came up with on your own because of the live service thing and you believe this is what they will/have to offer just based on that, or you know from your source this is what the game will be.
Secondly, this is kind of upsetting for me because I don't see Bioware pulling this off. They couldn't pull it off with SWTOR however hard they tried, I doubt anything will change now.

Regardless of what I've heard through anyone and the fact that DA4 was rebooted to be a live service game, as well as EA's insistence to making Live Service games and EA's increasing wrestling of control over Bioware, I would consider it safe to assume that this too would be a live service game. So I think we should take this as a given, in spite of whether I am believed to or not, as far as credibility goes. I don't see any realistic scenario in which Next ME is not a live service title and if you do, please tell me why. I'd love to know.


At least with some established characters, I can see myself buying the game and playing dress-up. A new cast, which I have no attachment to and I am going to be highly critical off, because I am going to be subjective in my criticism of them and therefore biased against them, simply because there's no way they can fill the shoes of characters I find much more interesting and have a vested interest in are always going to win over what new crew gets introduced. And Bioware may turn it around, but that will require a whole lot of Live Service work for me to do, with no certain outcome.

Furthermore, for Bioware to monetize it, they will need brand power. Either from established fans, or to get new fans in, with the income to spend on cosmetic MTX. These people will either need to be "Fortnite" kids, i.e. kids with the ability to spend their parents' disposable income, which means a very T rating for the next ME and an already compromised experience, or pandering to your established fanbase, which has grown older and are the bread makers of their own home, with some income to spend. It's not your YA audience that's going to bankroll the game in 2026-27, when it releases. We can safely say that Bioware has lost the YA audience of today, from bankrolling it in that time frame. So it's either us, or the "fortnite" kids of tomorrow. And good luck predicting what's going to engage the "fortnite" kids of 2025.

Unless DA4 can create a huge resurgence and following, which I don't particularly believe that it can, so much so that it turns everyone on board for this game, I don't see it being a success.

I don't think it will be particularly successful. I think it will go the Battlefield V route. It will underwhelm financially, get some support and, what was it, a year and a half later(?) that they ended support?

That, and the game is still likely in pre-dev

Also, do people not believe any of the multiplayer modes for Mass Effect to be live service? It's an online only mode that's supported through microtransactions, and has delivered free multiplayer content. That's unlikely to change in the next game.

I was thinking the same about coming sooner than we think. Gamble's tweets give me this feeling. He also hinted that 2021 is going to be one hell of a year, meaning we might see something, or maybe it doesn't mean anything. Still they might wanted to keep people's interest in me and show they haven't abandoned it.