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Post by biggydx on Jan 3, 2021 16:54:11 GMT
That, and the game is still likely in pre-dev I occasionally wonder if its further along and much closer to coming out. The remaster and this trailer really don't make sense on a marketing stand point if its 5 years out. It could just be a fumble, or maybe they are desperate to show that people still have interest in their products, who knows. I don't think it's wise to use teaser trailers as a rubric for how close a game is to arrival. Cyberpunks trailer initially debuted in 2013, and its only now that it's released. I only see ME5 arriving sometime during - or after - 2026.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 3, 2021 16:58:51 GMT
Deathloop was confirmed 2021? Do we actually have info on the game now???
Also, only the BSN could spend this much time going on about Liara's wrinkles. lol The hype train has definitely left the station.
It'd be hilarious if the wrinkles turn out to be meaningless. Like, they brought the face model in for a new scan, and everybody just forgot that she ages faster than Liara. It could also simply be a new engine. Like, compare Cassandra and Varric in DA2 vs DAI.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 3, 2021 16:59:47 GMT
That, and the game is still likely in pre-dev I occasionally wonder if its further along and much closer to coming out. The remaster and this trailer really don't make sense on a marketing stand point if its 5 years out. It could just be a fumble, or maybe they are desperate to show that people still have interest in their products, who knows. Could be to calm fears about Casey Hudson and Mark Darrah leaving. They did the same thing in announcing DAI after the Doctors left.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 3, 2021 17:10:00 GMT
ANd yet you've yet to provide any other topic to discuss, That hasn't also been talked to death in the last 9 years. It's really simple to say a topic of conversation is dumb, and has run it's course. So please, what Bioware related topic, has not yet run it's course over the last 9 years that we should talk about instead? I think, since the game is going to be a "Live Service" and a lot of the game's income will be cosmetics, or at least expected to be so, Bioware needs to provide incentive to dress up your character and squad. Meaning that Bioware will need to provide incentive to players to pay the premium to deck up their squadmates. Personally, I can't see myself paying to buy this game, under this premise, with another squad of Peebees and whatnot. Considering how "well" the last few Bioware squads have been received, they must be very optimistic that this crew will not only hit it off with the fans, but they will also spend money on them to look good. And they need to do this to keep the game funded and further content developed. So I see the next game needing to achieve these things - Compete in the LS segment - Compete with the solidified leaders of the segment, i.e. Destiny 2 and Warframe - Compete in content with games that may have up to 10+ years in support behind them - Recoup the cost of development at launch as the bare minimum, in net revenue - Engage the player base with the PC and squad to retain players - Engage players so much as to invest heavily in cosmetics for these characters - Do this without any returning character power, outside of Liara and to link the Milky Way with the most poorly received title in the franchise And regardless of how you personally feel about Andromeda, it is evident that the public at large was not thrilled with Andromeda. With that in mind, how well do you see the next game in the franchise, from a purely commercial standpoint, competing in the segment? Under these circumstances, I can only see Liara, in the role I can see her having, carrying the game so far. Bioware will need to offer something exceptional on many levels to stand a chance, let alone to be competitive. Sounds like they're trying to turn the next Mass Effect into Anthem 2.0
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Post by ahglock on Jan 3, 2021 20:25:13 GMT
It sort of depends on what they mean by live service. If it is a complete SP RPG but they constantly add stupid items for people to dress up in, and some content based DLCs to extend the story I'm fine with live service. If it is live service where its not really a complete SP RPG its a shallow grind based game like Anthem, Destiny etc, not going to waste my time to even look at it. I believe it to be a combination of both. The story will be pretty straightforward, as the game will need to be kept alive with "SP" content, as well as MP. Which was the plan for Andromeda, as well. But for the game to have a long life, as a "live service", you won't be able to make big decisions that will lead to drastically different world states, because otherwise, they won't be able to have a long running game, which is what a "Live Service" is supposed to be. At best, you're getting a ToR like experience with it, from a narrative standpoint, but only a single storyline, without much to branch out from, in terms of choices. From there, yeah, you will get grindy for equipment and premium currency for cosmetics. That is something I'd avoid.
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Post by ahglock on Jan 3, 2021 20:27:06 GMT
I occasionally wonder if its further along and much closer to coming out. The remaster and this trailer really don't make sense on a marketing stand point if its 5 years out. It could just be a fumble, or maybe they are desperate to show that people still have interest in their products, who knows. I don't think it's wise to use teaser trailers as a rubric for how close a game is to arrival. Cyberpunks trailer initially debuted in 2013, and its only now that it's released. I only see ME5 arriving sometime during - or after - 2026. Sure, but how did that turn out. Every time a game starts the marketing train early I see disappointment and failure.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jan 3, 2021 20:55:46 GMT
It sort of depends on what they mean by live service. If it is a complete SP RPG but they constantly add stupid items for people to dress up in, and some content based DLCs to extend the story I'm fine with live service. If it is live service where its not really a complete SP RPG its a shallow grind based game like Anthem, Destiny etc, not going to waste my time to even look at it. I believe it to be a combination of both. The story will be pretty straightforward, as the game will need to be kept alive with "SP" content, as well as MP. Which was the plan for Andromeda, as well. But for the game to have a long life, as a "live service", you won't be able to make big decisions that will lead to drastically different world states, because otherwise, they won't be able to have a long running game, which is what a "Live Service" is supposed to be. At best, you're getting a ToR like experience with it, from a narrative standpoint, but only a single storyline, without much to branch out from, in terms of choices. From there, yeah, you will get grindy for equipment and premium currency for cosmetics. You know, I miss the good old days when fans wouldn't bend over and just except having character customization options ripped out of the game, to be resold to you again. Especially RPGs.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 3, 2021 21:30:26 GMT
You know, I miss the good old days when fans wouldn't bend over and just except having character customization options ripped out of the game, to be resold to you again. Especially RPGs. I would be OK with a game finding some way to monetize that isn't gameplay intrusive and cosmetics offer the best way to go about it. And everyone wants a game they like to be successful financially. Not only to recoup its costs, but be profitable as well, so that perhaps the people working there can get their bonus and the company can be funded to make the next game as well and to make it bigger and better. But what we are seeing is that games now, at least the financially successful ones, not only turn a profit, but turn enough of a profit to fund additional content for themselves and fund the next game in the franchise, but somehow, the next game recoups its costs, meaning the company earns back all the money it spent on the game, which is money we spent on their previous game to fund the next game, so that the next game's costs wouldn't even need recouping to begin with, as we've basically bankrolled the entire development of it and the next game is even more aggressively monetized. And from there we've funded 3 games for that developer and the next game seems to be worse, even more aggressively monetized and if it doesn't make back its budget on release day, it's now a failure, a budget which we bankrolled 3 times, one game ago. And them Patrick Soderlund leaves with a $20m US check for doing such a good job that allowed a game like Anthem to be launched in the state that it was. Clearly, there is something wrong with this business model.
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Post by biggydx on Jan 3, 2021 21:50:18 GMT
I don't think it's wise to use teaser trailers as a rubric for how close a game is to arrival. Cyberpunks trailer initially debuted in 2013, and its only now that it's released. I only see ME5 arriving sometime during - or after - 2026. Sure, but how did that turn out. Every time a game starts the marketing train early I see disappointment and failure. My only point is that a teaser trailer shouldn't be indicative of the final product.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 3, 2021 22:01:41 GMT
My only point is that a teaser trailer shouldn't be indicative of the final product. Yeah. If any recent example is to go by, the end product is always much, much worse.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jan 3, 2021 22:19:20 GMT
You know, I miss the good old days when fans wouldn't bend over and just except having character customization options ripped out of the game, to be resold to you again. Especially RPGs. I would be OK with a game finding some way to monetize that isn't gameplay intrusive and cosmetics offer the best way to go about it. And everyone wants a game they like to be successful financially. Not only to recoup its costs, but be profitable as well, so that perhaps the people working there can get their bonus and the company can be funded to make the next game as well and to make it bigger and better. But what we are seeing is that games now, at least the financially successful ones, not only turn a profit, but turn enough of a profit to fund additional content for themselves and fund the next game in the franchise, but somehow, the next game recoups its costs, meaning the company earns back all the money it spent on the game, which is money we spent on their previous game to fund the next game, so that the next game's costs wouldn't even need recouping to begin with, as we've basically bankrolled the entire development of it and the next game is even more aggressively monetized. And from there we've funded 3 games for that developer and the next game seems to be worse, even more aggressively monetized and if it doesn't make back its budget on release day, it's now a failure, a budget which we bankrolled 3 times, one game ago. And them Patrick Soderlund leaves with a $20m US check for doing such a good job that allowed a game like Anthem to be launched in the state that it was. Clearly, there is something wrong with this business model. Yea, the something wrong, is called micro-transactions. It's the second greatest lie ever told. THis idea that video games are so horrifically, god awfully expensive to make that these games literally need them or else they'll go out of business. It's just as much BS now as it was then, but fans have just let themselves come to believe that lie, and let these companies constantly push the line, and make their tactics more and more egregious as time goes on. Fans have come to convince themselves, that character customization, is a less important aspect of video games, than progression or skills, as a way to mentally justify and accept forcing us to pay for skins we've already paid for. No one wants to accepts it, and those who do just shrug their shoulders in either indifference or defeat, and just accept the shitty reality that we, the fans have allowed to happen.
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Post by ahglock on Jan 3, 2021 22:29:19 GMT
I would be OK with a game finding some way to monetize that isn't gameplay intrusive and cosmetics offer the best way to go about it. And everyone wants a game they like to be successful financially. Not only to recoup its costs, but be profitable as well, so that perhaps the people working there can get their bonus and the company can be funded to make the next game as well and to make it bigger and better. But what we are seeing is that games now, at least the financially successful ones, not only turn a profit, but turn enough of a profit to fund additional content for themselves and fund the next game in the franchise, but somehow, the next game recoups its costs, meaning the company earns back all the money it spent on the game, which is money we spent on their previous game to fund the next game, so that the next game's costs wouldn't even need recouping to begin with, as we've basically bankrolled the entire development of it and the next game is even more aggressively monetized. And from there we've funded 3 games for that developer and the next game seems to be worse, even more aggressively monetized and if it doesn't make back its budget on release day, it's now a failure, a budget which we bankrolled 3 times, one game ago. And them Patrick Soderlund leaves with a $20m US check for doing such a good job that allowed a game like Anthem to be launched in the state that it was. Clearly, there is something wrong with this business model. Yea, the something wrong, is called micro-transactions. It's the second greatest lie ever told. THis idea that video games are so horrifically, god awfully expensive to make that these games literally need them or else they'll go out of business. It's just as much BS now as it was then, but fans have just let themselves come to believe that lie, and let these companies constantly push the line, and make their tactics more and more egregious as time goes on. Fans have come to convince themselves, that character customization, is a less important aspect of video games, than progression or skills, as a way to mentally justify and accept forcing us to pay for skins we've already paid for. No one wants to accepts it, and those who do just shrug their shoulders in either indifference or defeat, and just accept the shitty reality that we, the fans have allowed to happen.
yes it is not about them making a profit but an even larger profit.
But, character customization is a less important part of the game. I don't have to convince myself of this. It just is. And besides it is not like you are playing a big white square and without paying extra you can't chose race/sex, hair color etc. They cover the basics in these games, you can make your person, get decent looking clothes etc. But if you want the solid gold chaps with the pink speedo you pay extra.
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Post by smilesja on Jan 3, 2021 22:30:02 GMT
I would be OK with a game finding some way to monetize that isn't gameplay intrusive and cosmetics offer the best way to go about it. And everyone wants a game they like to be successful financially. Not only to recoup its costs, but be profitable as well, so that perhaps the people working there can get their bonus and the company can be funded to make the next game as well and to make it bigger and better. But what we are seeing is that games now, at least the financially successful ones, not only turn a profit, but turn enough of a profit to fund additional content for themselves and fund the next game in the franchise, but somehow, the next game recoups its costs, meaning the company earns back all the money it spent on the game, which is money we spent on their previous game to fund the next game, so that the next game's costs wouldn't even need recouping to begin with, as we've basically bankrolled the entire development of it and the next game is even more aggressively monetized. And from there we've funded 3 games for that developer and the next game seems to be worse, even more aggressively monetized and if it doesn't make back its budget on release day, it's now a failure, a budget which we bankrolled 3 times, one game ago. And them Patrick Soderlund leaves with a $20m US check for doing such a good job that allowed a game like Anthem to be launched in the state that it was. Clearly, there is something wrong with this business model. Yea, the something wrong, is called micro-transactions. It's the second greatest lie ever told. THis idea that video games are so horrifically, god awfully expensive to make that these games literally need them or else they'll go out of business. Ummmm I don't think anyone really believes that.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 3, 2021 23:10:24 GMT
But if you want the solid gold chaps with the pink speedo you pay extra. This is an outrage! You read that in Udina's voice. Now you are imagining Udina in solid gold chaps and a pink speedo arguing with Sparatus. You are welcome.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Jan 3, 2021 23:26:06 GMT
DAI had cosmetic DLC. Spoils of the Avvar and Spoils of the Qunari were 5 dollars/euro each and they had only armor schematics and horse armor. Besides that, DAI also had 3 major story DLCs and it also included a MP component that had micro-transactions. This would already qualify DAI to be a live service game. The only difference would be that it had a limited period of support, after which work on a follow up major installment started. You could put ME3 in this camp, too, because it also had purely cosmetic DLC, story DLC, MP component that had micro-transactions. I suppose this is why Casey said at one point that they had already made live service games before Anthem and before DA4 got rebooted.
At this point in the live service discourse, frankly, if DA4 and the next ME continue in this same vein, I think I might be fine. The major installment has a full story, we get a few smaller story installments to build new lore and set up future stories, some cosmetic DLC - that would be what we've already received previously. Just as long as the failures of SWTOR and Anthem stay far enough away.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jan 3, 2021 23:33:34 GMT
Yea, the something wrong, is called micro-transactions. It's the second greatest lie ever told. THis idea that video games are so horrifically, god awfully expensive to make that these games literally need them or else they'll go out of business. It's just as much BS now as it was then, but fans have just let themselves come to believe that lie, and let these companies constantly push the line, and make their tactics more and more egregious as time goes on. Fans have come to convince themselves, that character customization, is a less important aspect of video games, than progression or skills, as a way to mentally justify and accept forcing us to pay for skins we've already paid for. No one wants to accepts it, and those who do just shrug their shoulders in either indifference or defeat, and just accept the shitty reality that we, the fans have allowed to happen.
yes it is not about them making a profit but an even larger profit.
But, character customization is a less important part of the game. I don't have to convince myself of this. It just is. And besides it is not like you are playing a big white square and without paying extra you can't chose race/sex, hair color etc. They cover the basics in these games, you can make your person, get decent looking clothes etc. But if you want the solid gold chaps with the pink speedo you pay extra.
I'm sorry, but that is an opinion. Customization is not less important. It just isn't. We have entire magazines, TV channels, career paths, wholes industries dedicated to fashion, and customizing how you look. Fashion and personal customization of oneself is monumentally important to us as a society and as a species. So no, I'm not buying that.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jan 3, 2021 23:36:13 GMT
Yea, the something wrong, is called micro-transactions. It's the second greatest lie ever told. THis idea that video games are so horrifically, god awfully expensive to make that these games literally need them or else they'll go out of business. Ummmm I don't think anyone really believes that. YOu would be surprised about some of the people I've talked to in real life lmao
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Post by smilesja on Jan 3, 2021 23:49:54 GMT
Ummmm I don't think anyone really believes that. YOu would be surprised about some of the people I've talked to in real life lmao I've talked to people too in real life and they said the opposite. They normally like the cool skins or want to support the company they like.
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Post by jamierose95 on Jan 3, 2021 23:54:34 GMT
I would love to see happy new year to mass effect fans I hope we get some new information in the upcoming year about this game.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 3, 2021 23:58:24 GMT
At this point in the live service discourse, frankly, if DA4 and the next ME continue in this same vein, I think I might be fine. The major installment has a full story, we get a few smaller story installments to build new lore and set up future stories, some cosmetic DLC - that would be what we've already received previously. Just as long as the failures of SWTOR and Anthem stay far enough away. I don't think we're getting the games we use to get from Bioware anymore. This has been an ongoing trend and we, as an audience, are apparently not wanted. We don't matter and have way too high demands in our engagement. It is much easier to pander to the shooter crowd, with a much more basic story, like Anthem and focus on revenue and player retention, through the gameplay loop. It's much more cost effective than animating cutscenes, recording dialogue, hiring talent to perform the dialogue, write good dialogue, writing good scripts and executing them accordingly, developing story content within a timeframe, animating it, animating it in a way that doesn't turn the game into a meme etc. etc. etc. It's easier to build a level and design encounters around it and churn out 10 of these, in the amount of time all the other content takes to be made. Apparently, the ME5 teaser was being developed all the way back to August, to show off. And it's 90% reused assets. This is the speed we are working with.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 4, 2021 0:16:22 GMT
I believe it to be a combination of both. The story will be pretty straightforward, as the game will need to be kept alive with "SP" content, as well as MP. Which was the plan for Andromeda, as well. But for the game to have a long life, as a "live service", you won't be able to make big decisions that will lead to drastically different world states, because otherwise, they won't be able to have a long running game, which is what a "Live Service" is supposed to be. At best, you're getting a ToR like experience with it, from a narrative standpoint, but only a single storyline, without much to branch out from, in terms of choices. From there, yeah, you will get grindy for equipment and premium currency for cosmetics. You know, I miss the good old days when fans wouldn't bend over and just except having character customization options ripped out of the game, to be resold to you again. Especially RPGs. Aye, I also miss the good old days when games had awesome stories like Legacy of Kain, damn that was an awesome game with even awesomer storytelling...
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jan 4, 2021 0:40:29 GMT
YOu would be surprised about some of the people I've talked to in real life lmao I've talked to people too in real life and they said the opposite. They normally like the cool skins or want to support the company they like. Of course their cool skins, why would they try to resell you average skins? You'd never convince yourself into participating in a system that exists to screw yourself over for average skins. As for this "Support the company they like" nonsense? They already did, by buying the game. Not a single person back in the day ever said "You know, I just wish I could give Blizzard even more money for very little in return, just because I love them so much!" when they were playing Warcraft 3. Or Starcraft 1, or whatever the hell. No one sat there wishing they could give the company more and more money for a game they already paid for. This mentality is basically Stockholm syndrome.
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sondergaard
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR
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Post by Sondergaard on Jan 4, 2021 11:48:48 GMT
Deathloop was confirmed 2021? Do we actually have info on the game now???
Also, only the BSN could spend this much time going on about Liara's wrinkles. lol The hype train has definitely left the station.
It'd be hilarious if the wrinkles turn out to be meaningless. Like, they brought the face model in for a new scan, and everybody just forgot that she ages faster than Liara. Don't joke. This is exactly the kind of cock-up BioWare are capable of.
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deathscepter
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Jade Empire
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Post by Phantom on Jan 4, 2021 20:42:04 GMT
But if you want the solid gold chaps with the pink speedo you pay extra. This is an outrage! You read that in Udina's voice. Now you are imagining Udina in solid gold chaps and a pink speedo arguing with Sparatus. You are welcome. you forgot about over dramatic use of arms and fists in palms. This is an outrage *is wearing solid gold chaps with a pink speedo while using over dramatic arm motions*
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sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 4, 2021 21:37:22 GMT
This is an outrage! You read that in Udina's voice. Now you are imagining Udina in solid gold chaps and a pink speedo arguing with Sparatus. You are welcome. you forgot about over dramatic use of arms and fists in palms. This is an outrage *is wearing solid gold chaps with a pink speedo while using over dramatic arm motions* This is an outrage *presents clenched fist to Sparatus* Humanity will not stand for this *slams hands on table, pink speedo junk resting on the edge of it* The alliance will demand the Council be held accountable for such behaviour *starts making pelvic thrusts in Sparatus' face*
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