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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 1:03:23 GMT
Could be. But Mike, at least, hints that the Initiative will be more than just mentions.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Dec 13, 2020 1:39:59 GMT
It seems likely they are going to link the two galaxies but I think Milky Way will be the focus of the next game. I worry if they try to tell a story in both galaxies that will lack focus and suffer from trying to please everyone. If they can do it, great though.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 1:41:08 GMT
I worry if they try to tell a story in both galaxies that will lack focus and suffer from trying to please everyone I'm sure of it.
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Post by chris2365 on Dec 13, 2020 1:50:33 GMT
As much as I love Shepard and the original trilogy crew, his story has been told and is now concluded. From ME1, his goal was to stop the Reapers, and by the end of ME3, he has accomplished his mission, one way or another. Time to let him rest
I think taking the story hundreds of years after ME3 with a new protagonist has a lot of potential. If I am being honest, Andromeda rehashed a lot of old ground when it came to the Milky Way Races. Dilemmas like AI, the Genophage, etc. were great, but I'd love to see the species evolve and be forced into new dilemmas that come with the isolation due to the Mass Relay destruction.
I always thought that ME2 would have been the template for a perfect spin-off game in the Mass Effect universe, rather than the second act of a trilogy. If you think about, that game does not need the Reaper presence or Shepard to drive the story forward. The Collectors could have just been this independent, secretive species from the galactic core doing their abductions. The plot of ME2 remains basically the same as far as squadmate recruiting and Suicide Mission goes. The stakes are also lower in the game to begin with. Just a potential idea that has been floating around my mind for a while. Probably doesn't work for a post-ME3 game, but it shows that there is potential for Mass Effect games that don't involve galaxy-level threats.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 1:53:16 GMT
As much as I love Shepard and the original trilogy crew, his story has been told and is now concluded People keep saying that. It's only concluded as far as the fanbase is satisfied with the conclusion and the IP is viable. And currently ME is neither.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 13, 2020 2:45:39 GMT
I think they will try to bring Shepard back though. I think that's point of Liara's trip back to the Normady crash site 600 years after the Reaper War. Find Shepard's DNA, and revive him/her again for X plot reasons. Bring Shepard back, XXXX amount of years later, just to be with Liara. I don't think Shepard will be back. At least, not in the flesh. And let's be real, is anyone else looking forward to yet another new crew? I'm not going to follow it, just because of Shepard. Let's not use Shepard like Master Chief, in the literal sense, for fucking ever. Reanimated and cloned ad infinitum. That's just insane and stupid. That's "jump the shark" territory. I guess we did that with the Starchild already, but this is virgin ground of stupid we would cover, breaking barriers. And what else are you going to do? Bring back all the crew as clones, as well? Why not? Clone Anderson, TIM ... I mean, why the fuck not? Let's call it Mass Effect: Clone Wars, at this point. After RGB, my Shepard wouldn't want to be brought back anyway.
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 13, 2020 3:57:36 GMT
My guess is they can do pretty much anything they want to. I think people are being a little to quick to just assume certain conditions based on what they are seeing. For all we know is that it does take place in Andromeda and the Reaper at the end was one that went Rogue and went in a different direction for it has been proven they have losses during the cycles and they did lose track of several Leviathans.
Even when it comes to the endings I think they could write the game in a way that there is only a brief acknowledgement at the very beginning and that is the end of it. Just like the other Mass Effect games where they choices are just given lip service and then ignored for the rest of the game. Think of the Collector' Base in Mass Effect 2, how much did it really impact Mass Effect 3? The easy explanation is that they don't know what happened so they cannot see the changes Shepard brought and then just have slightly different lines of dialogue to explain why the Reapers are no longer there. Its not going to be something complex for I think BioWare learned that lesson with trying to have all the characters return in Mass Effect 3 its going to be simple and to the point and then the end of it.
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Post by linksocarina on Dec 13, 2020 4:10:13 GMT
Pull a Zelda. Make it different timelines.
Gives freedom to explore 3 different versions of the galaxy.
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Post by NotN7 on Dec 13, 2020 4:30:55 GMT
My guess is they can do pretty much anything they want to. I think people are being a little to quick to just assume certain conditions based on what they are seeing. For all we know is that it does take place in Andromeda and the Reaper at the end was one that went Rogue and went in a different direction for it has been proven they have losses during the cycles and they did lose track of several Leviathans. Even when it comes to the endings I think they could write the game in a way that there is only a brief acknowledgement at the very beginning and that is the end of it. Just like the other Mass Effect games where they choices are just given lip service and then ignored for the rest of the game. Think of the Collector' Base in Mass Effect 2, how much did it really impact Mass Effect 3? The easy explanation is that they don't know what happened so they cannot see the changes Shepard brought and then just have slightly different lines of dialogue to explain why the Reapers are no longer there. Its not going to be something complex for I think BioWare learned that lesson with trying to have all the characters return in Mass Effect 3 its going to be simple and to the point and then the end of it. That is true in ME3 the collector base was a few dialog lines destroying the relay had the greatest impact (if you bought the DLC) and the one (can't remember the DLC) about the geth? overlord I believe, blended well into ME3 but with that said they can just as easily do the same with the ME3 endings at the beginning of the new game I.e. just ignore them cause i believe the MW portion of the game will be short just to tie up the loose ends. Just my opinion
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 13, 2020 5:22:50 GMT
Pull a Zelda. Make it different timelines. Gives freedom to explore 3 different versions of the galaxy. I don't see that happening for the extra work to create three different versions would reduce the length of the game and there is so much weight put on the length of a single playthrough anymore I doubt they would want to make that happen. Even with another game recently released I have seen comments complaining the game was too short due to skipping the side missions.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Dec 13, 2020 9:17:31 GMT
Honestly, as much as I hate ME3's ending, just let them do what they want. It's their story. We can always complain and demand that they do as we want after they release it and turn out to be incompetent with endings a second time.
But real talk, you may not all like Mass Effect Andromeda, but its ending was very good. Not out of this world but it was very fitting, and it made the journey matter for what it was, which is the complete opposite of what ME3's ending is, which was an ending that forgot everything the plot was aiming for previously, forgot the important characters that you brought with you to the finale just to see them stand around and say "goodbye" before you go into the ACTUAL finale, and they ended it with zero closure but a mysterious GAINAX scene of everyone stepping out of the ship and looking into an alien planet and possibly showing synthesized leaves and skin, and Joker having ADAM and EVE moment with EDI... as in "THAT'S what we REALLY wanted to say with this game". It was just a big "WHAT." moment, and then we got super angry because on top of not really hitting the nail on the head, Shepard dies in almost every ending, the galaxy might be fucked because we never see its recovery ourselves, and it... just ENDS. Nothing but questions.
And with Andromeda they DESIGNED the game to have a story that ends on a reassuring note, with a playable epilogue, with a really cool sense of cameraderie with everyone, including optional friends, you got along the way, including more than just your immediate squad, and then concluding on the core of the narrative: "What about the Arks? What about finding a stable home?" and it does it all while simultaneously developing the plot forward throughout all of the final mission. It was a little crazy and maybe too fast paced, but it fucking works.
And that was Mike Gamble's last big project. I trust him.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 9:36:19 GMT
For all we know is that it does take place in Andromeda and the Reaper at the end was one that went Rogue and went in a different direction for it has been proven they have losses during the cycles and they did lose track of several Leviathans. There are two dead Reapers on Liara's planet. The one she is walking on and one on the background. Not to mention that Reapers going galaxy to galaxy to enforce their "solution" is ... let's start with the logistics of the near infinity of space, the near infinite number of galaxies currently present in it and the amount of forces required to put down all the civilizations in all the galaxies in the known and unknown universe. Because if Reapers are policing this galaxy and the next galaxy, then for all we know they are policing every galaxy, for that same purpose. And do we really want another game with a Reaper war, where we are stuck fighting a third part for 60% of the game, because you literally can't do diddly squat to a Reaper with your avenger rifle. Of course, you'll tell me the Reapers Liara was on, where both dead. Meaning whatever happened on that cycle, was long gone. Then what is the point of even having the Reapers in the trailer, to establish something in Andromeda that isn't even established in the game and who does the N7 helmet fragment piece belong to, as the only one to be a N7 is Alec and the only other person to wear one such armour would possibly be either of the Ryder twins, in the entire galaxy. Not to mention, Alec gave his helmet to baby Ryder, before he disappeared into the mist. In contrast, there are enough N7 soldiers in the Milky Way that would have died to a Reaper attack in the Milky Way and that N7 helmet piece doesn't even have to be Shepard's. It is highly unlikely Liara is in Andromeda, at that time.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 13, 2020 9:56:55 GMT
I just had the thought: what if BioWare brings out the remaster without the extended cut? The original endings were a lot more open to interpretation and would give them more freedom for ME next. With the endings still such a hot topic, would you be pissed if they go that route or Ok knowing that a new game comes out with a story at least partly in the Milky Way after what happened in ME3? I already don't care. I don't think I can not care less. You don't care, but you keep posting just how much you don't care over and over....makes sense bro.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 10:13:48 GMT
You don't care, but you keep posting just how much you don't care over and over....makes sense bro. I am aware of the optics. I don't care about that scenario. Removing the EC won't make me care more. I don't care about a new ME set far in the future I don't care about a ME set in Andromeda I don't care what ending Bioware decides to make canon I don't care about Liara. I do care about a game that disregards stuff, to come out a product that gives the most fun circumstances to play in. New cast and crew with Liara is in the "don't care" territory. I am 100% guaranteed not to care about any new crew, just like I didn't care about the DA2 cast, the DA:I cast, the new ME3 characters, the Andromeda cast and the Anthem cast. I don't want anything to do with what new Bioware produces for their next games.
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Post by jadebaby88 on Dec 13, 2020 12:57:51 GMT
Honestly, as much as I hate ME3's ending, just let them do what they want. It's their story. We can always complain and demand that they do as we want after they release it and turn out to be incompetent with endings a second time. But real talk, you may not all like Mass Effect Andromeda, but its ending was very good. Not out of this world but it was very fitting, and it made the journey matter for what it was, which is the complete opposite of what ME3's ending is, which was an ending that forgot everything the plot was aiming for previously, forgot the important characters that you brought with you to the finale just to see them stand around and say "goodbye" before you go into the ACTUAL finale, and they ended it with zero closure but a mysterious GAINAX scene of everyone stepping out of the ship and looking into an alien planet and possibly showing synthesized leaves and skin, and Joker having ADAM and EVE moment with EDI... as in "THAT'S what we REALLY wanted to say with this game". It was just a big "WHAT." moment, and then we got super angry because on top of not really hitting the nail on the head, Shepard dies in almost every ending, the galaxy might be fucked because we never see its recovery ourselves, and it... just ENDS. Nothing but questions. And with Andromeda they DESIGNED the game to have a story that ends on a reassuring note, with a playable epilogue, with a really cool sense of cameraderie with everyone, including optional friends, you got along the way, including more than just your immediate squad, and then concluding on the core of the narrative: "What about the Arks? What about finding a stable home?" and it does it all while simultaneously developing the plot forward throughout all of the final mission. It was a little crazy and maybe too fast paced, but it fucking works. And that was Mike Gamble's last big project. I trust him. From someone who also hated the ME3 ending, and from someone who has countless times been accused of hating the endings because they weren't "happy" enough... The ending to Mass Effect Andromeda was too happy.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 13, 2020 13:12:01 GMT
I don't want anything to do with what new Bioware produces for their next games. So leave the forum, at least the ME, and DA sections
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 13:18:32 GMT
I don't want anything to do with what new Bioware produces for their next games. So leave the forum, at least the ME, and DA sections I intended to but
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Post by jadebaby88 on Dec 13, 2020 13:19:13 GMT
I don't want anything to do with what new Bioware produces for their next games. So leave the forum, at least the ME, and DA sections That's dangerous talk though, if Mass Effect forums were only crowded with people who will blindly play all their games, well we'd have Mass Effect 7: Valhalla Gear Solid Uprising by now.
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 13, 2020 13:25:08 GMT
So leave the forum, at least the ME, and DA sections That's dangerous talk though, if Mass Effect forums were only crowded with people who will blindly play all their games, well we'd have Mass Effect 7: Valhalla Gear Solid Uprising by now. How does having a person being or not being part of a fan forum have anything to do with the direction of a BioWare game? For if that was the case I am pretty sure we would have Mass Effect: The Sex Simulator by now.
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 13, 2020 13:28:33 GMT
For all we know is that it does take place in Andromeda and the Reaper at the end was one that went Rogue and went in a different direction for it has been proven they have losses during the cycles and they did lose track of several Leviathans. There are two dead Reapers on Liara's planet. The one she is walking on and one on the background. Not to mention that Reapers going galaxy to galaxy to enforce their "solution" is ... let's start with the logistics of the near infinity of space, the near infinite number of galaxies currently present in it and the amount of forces required to put down all the civilizations in all the galaxies in the known and unknown universe. Because if Reapers are policing this galaxy and the next galaxy, then for all we know they are policing every galaxy, for that same purpose. And do we really want another game with a Reaper war, where we are stuck fighting a third part for 60% of the game, because you literally can't do diddly squat to a Reaper with your avenger rifle. Of course, you'll tell me the Reapers Liara was on, where both dead. Meaning whatever happened on that cycle, was long gone. Then what is the point of even having the Reapers in the trailer, to establish something in Andromeda that isn't even established in the game and who does the N7 helmet fragment piece belong to, as the only one to be a N7 is Alec and the only other person to wear one such armour would possibly be either of the Ryder twins, in the entire galaxy. Not to mention, Alec gave his helmet to baby Ryder, before he disappeared into the mist. In contrast, there are enough N7 soldiers in the Milky Way that would have died to a Reaper attack in the Milky Way and that N7 helmet piece doesn't even have to be Shepard's. It is highly unlikely Liara is in Andromeda, at that time. I am not trying to argue what will happen, I am just giving alternate route to what might happen so people can see that BioWare might go in a different direction then all this head canon is already starting to create. For all we know we are going to go into everyone's favorite route of "alternate reality" where Humanity never found Mars and we play as a Geth fighting Reaper as during the timeframe of Mass Effect 3 since Humanity the Saviors of everything never existed.
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Post by jadebaby88 on Dec 13, 2020 13:34:47 GMT
That's dangerous talk though, if Mass Effect forums were only crowded with people who will blindly play all their games, well we'd have Mass Effect 7: Valhalla Gear Solid Uprising by now. How does having a person being or not being part of a fan forum have anything to do with the direction of a BioWare game? For if that was the case I am pretty sure we would have Mass Effect: The Sex Simulator by now. Touche! Except the backlash they received on their official BSN forum lead heavily to the introduction of the EC. But yea, I was being a bit dramatic I know.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 13:41:33 GMT
I am not trying to argue what will happen, I am just giving alternate route to what might happen so people can see that BioWare might go in a different direction then all this head canon is already starting to create. For all we know we are going to go into everyone's favorite route of "alternate reality" where Humanity never found Mars and we play as a Geth fighting Reaper as during the timeframe of Mass Effect 3 since Humanity the Saviors of everything never existed. Then that depends. Is the trailer entirely for fanservice, where nothing can be surmised about the next game as a setting, or is there an actual meaning to it?
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 13, 2020 13:58:53 GMT
I think it's rather obvious that destroy is canonized. Liara walking on a dead reaper where destroy is the only ending that has the reapers dead. Now it just depends on what direction they are going with this. I am inclined to think that finding Shepard will be a part of this mainly because of her smiling at the N7 logo and finding it in rubble (in the high EMS ending, you never get a glimpse of the logo in the breath scene from the charred armour). I don't think they will link Andromeda at all, maybe some mentions about the initiative here and there, but that game is either dead or on the backburner for later years. I don't think it's "obvious" at all. One Reaper can be killed without all of them being killed. We saw in the trilogy that enough firepower can kill a reaper, or, in the DLC, that a Leviathan can kill a Reaper. Or it could easily be some new threat, in fact I hope it is. They need to move on to a new story and new characters if they're going to return to the Milky Way, which I wish they weren't doing in the first place. Andromeda had plenty of potential, no matter how many people are unhealthily attached to the original trilogy.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 13, 2020 14:06:19 GMT
They need to move on to a new story and new characters if they're going to return to the Milky Way, which I wish they weren't doing in the first place Why? Why do they need to? I don't understand why it needs to be this or it needs to be that? What does it achieve? How many people care for Bioware's next batch of Whedon rejects? What does Bioware accomplish that way? There is as much suppressed interest in another Shepard and co. story, if not more, than Andromeda and I can't ask for some new crew that I don't even know what it will be, but what are the chances anyone is going to like it? All of Bioware's recent characters are criticized or lacked mass appeal. So why would anyone care about some would be forgettables that are likely, under current conditions, to barely make it through their own game releasing? This is what I mean when I say I don't care for this. There is no trust and there is no interest. Show Liara for 5 seconds and the internet goes nuts at the prospect of the gang being together again. What other circumstances can you see ME doing that under?
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Post by linksocarina on Dec 13, 2020 14:11:31 GMT
Pull a Zelda. Make it different timelines. Gives freedom to explore 3 different versions of the galaxy. I don't see that happening for the extra work to create three different versions would reduce the length of the game and there is so much weight put on the length of a single playthrough anymore I doubt they would want to make that happen. Even with another game recently released I have seen comments complaining the game was too short due to skipping the side missions. For zelda it's a singular game set in those timelines...
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