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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 31, 2020 15:08:59 GMT
I am inclined to believe that the Liara we see in the video is indeed much older than the Liara we knew in the original trilogy. It's not just the wrinkles, it's something about the way she carries herself. It might be otherwise, of course, and it's just a fluke in the animation. What is a little weird about the trailer: We see a small vessel approach a planet, as if it was about to land. Then we see Liara climbing up a mountain. But then we see the presumably same ship in the background. It's hard to make out the silhouettes, but I suppose there is a Salarian. Turian and Krogan, left to right. (The OP saw a human in the middle figure - that is also possible, but the siluette seemed kind of ducked to me and the stance seemed weird for a human.) So Liara did not come with that ship? Did Liara do the Yoda after the ending of Mass Effect 3? Anyway, I am not sure how the N7 helmet piece got there either. If it had been lying there for several hundred years, it should have corroded and be in a far worse state, not to mention that it should have been burried under ice and rock. As for the ending of ME3 - if they do pick a different set the game in the distant future, I would presume that they leave the ending open or only build small variations into the game. To my best knowledge the mass relays were destroyed in all three endings, even though the patch for the ending added a scene where they were re-assemble in the blue ending, I don't know about the others. If they do set the campaign in the distant future, they will likely make it so that any ending of Mass Effect 3 will work. The galaxy could have fallen into a dark age either way and galactic civilization collapsed either way. There is no guarantee that the mass relays ever actually worked again, even if it was attempted to fix them. Earth had taken a severe toll during the Reaper war and there was a gigantic army in stranded in the Solr system after the war, so that it might not have mattered as much whether or not Earth was destroyed.
There is something about the tone of the trailer that makes me think that there might be more mysticism. A galactic dark age would explain why technology has not seriously evolved over the centuries and even though a very long time has passed, the ship looked not so very different from what we've already seen.
As we see she tries to walk cause her feet are buried in the snow, so it will make it harder to walk plus she's climbing a reaper and try to cover her face from the snow. She is old and has a lot of wrinkles as you can see here: drive.google.com/file/d/13otlfTz3hLfDHifidTMWeBkHJzNKpKrV/view. I'm gonna say she's 743 years old, given they want to connect both galaxies. Based on Michael gamble hinting about a certain someone on the background i'm gonna say it's ryder since he said it in a way that we know this character . It could be a drell or he was referring to the krogan maybe wrex or grunt, but I'm getting more and more confident it's ryder. We see the pathfinder helmet, collar, the suit looks like the pathfinder one. You can check out my thread: bsn.boards.net/thread/18644/mass-effect-enhanced-pictures-artworksI'm not turning down the possibility for this figure to be someone else, and Michael could just tease and for it to be nothing in the end, but it's gonna be pretty bad. I don't think he wants that. The n7 piece is just there cause it's in every mass effect teaser. It wouldn't be deep in the snow cause liara would've to dig lol. Dark age is a very possible scenario. Technology could have progressed in some places while others don't. Some places could have become wreckages, basically all this kinda sounds like blade runner 2049 which gamble took inspiration btw, so it will be really interesting if they go for something like that. The teaser has indeed a sense of mystery (like on most games). Let's see what they have in store for us.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Dec 31, 2020 15:30:43 GMT
I still stand the N7 aka Mass Effect is off the ice - thats what it means
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 31, 2020 15:44:58 GMT
I still stand the N7 aka Mass Effect is off the ice - thats what it means That's a pretty good call. It's right down dumb enough of Bioware to do it.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Dec 31, 2020 15:48:02 GMT
Vote for the last option in the poll. People really need to STOP over-analyzing trailers (regardless if it a trailer for a video game, TV show, movie, book, etc) because it only leads to toxic fandoms. Just enjoy it and wait for more official info. In what way do you think analysis lead to toxicity?
Certainly things in the trailer may not end up in the game -- we are early days yet. And people can get too attached to their ideas of what the trailer means and get bent out of shape if their ideas aren't real. I think people will be toxic if they are toxic; analysis may give them a subject, but it doesn't create toxicity in itself IMO.
Analysis like this tend to create fan theories that some people will think are right and will be in the final product, and when those are proven wrong then they get upset and are not in the final product about their fan theory. They get they mad because the media in question isn't going to have their theory or maybe go in the opposite direction then they lash out at the creators, other fans who aren't concerned about it or like the new direction, critics, and so on. It's already happened to Mass Effect, Star Wars, Star Trek, Transformers, Dr. Who, professional wrestling, the DCEU, and the MCU and that is the short list.
Also when you have some people acting in bad faith, (AND FOR THE RECORD Shinobu IS NOT ACTING IN BAD FAITH), for clicks, views, and subscribers/followers doesn't help. This is why I'm distancing myself form a lot fandoms that I used to be a part of, I'm sick of people thinking that theories are right even when the people who make it and/or own it say otherwise.
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Post by burningcherry on Dec 31, 2020 16:11:59 GMT
If it really is Destroy and even despite that I still have to play a character letting themselves be manipulated by the lampheads, I'm not buying the game.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Dec 31, 2020 16:15:00 GMT
I still stand the N7 aka Mass Effect is off the ice - thats what it means That's a pretty good call. It's right down dumb enough of Bioware to do it. Its not even dumb, its quite good wink/nod I think ... if its about that.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 31, 2020 16:25:54 GMT
Its not even dumb, its quite good wink/nod I think ... if its about that. I sincerely doubt anyone looking at it would ever think it's a "thawed out" reference. People will think anything but that, when they see the N7 helmet piece. It's ineffective.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 31, 2020 16:28:20 GMT
I still stand the N7 aka Mass Effect is off the ice - thats what it means I agree, and because it's the symbol of the franchise.
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Post by feuerrabe on Dec 31, 2020 17:35:05 GMT
Well, playing Sara again would be an enjoyable choice as far as I am concerned, if not my favourite choice. What I was really afraid of is that they might come up with a game that is set before the events of the Mass Effect 3, possibly during the First Contact War, but seems to be off the table. What I wish most is to give us a little more choice during character creation, namely allowing me to play an asari (and other players might like to play krogan or so). I believe that would be a feasible choice if the player character comes of a multi-species group of people, possibly agents of the Shadow Broker, or whatever Liara is in those days. In that case the middle figure could be difficult to recognise because it's a stand in for anything other than Salarian or Krogan. Any of the three characters in the background might be the player character. Yes, you are correct, the helmet might well be an initiative/pathfinder helmet, which would make most sense if the Andromeda Initiative manages to create a Mass Relay to the Milky Way right in the beginning of the game, or manages to use Meridian to create a portal. That would also give us the opportunity to investigate at least some of the open story threads in ME:A.
The thread's original question was the Alderson disk, of course. Honestly, I have no idea. It might be the Geth, it might be otherwise. Sara/Scott would be interesting in this context, because Ryder has an AI symbiont, which is kinda what you would get if you picked a green ending. It would not be an us vs. them thing in this context. I suppose in an electronic environment Ryder's and Sam's roles would flip, Sam would be the one who interacts with the environment, and Ryder the one who adds perspective and complements Sam with emotion and intuition.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2020 18:42:32 GMT
Its not even dumb, its quite good wink/nod I think ... if its about that. I sincerely doubt anyone looking at it would ever think it's a "thawed out" reference. People will think anything but that, when they see the N7 helmet piece. It's ineffective. Unicephalon 40-D 's take could be exactly correct and I think a very clever play on BioWare's part.
Liara looking off in the distance and smiling …
Fits the notion that BioWare is subtly telling us the good news that the Mass Effect franchise is no longer on ice.
The not-so-subtle message is in the screen which shows Mass Effect logo and in red letters below, Will Continue.
Just in case folks don't get the more subtle thawed out reference.
You know, for those that don't do subtle or nuance … but only deal in bombast and hyperbole.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Dec 31, 2020 19:00:04 GMT
I still stand the N7 aka Mass Effect is off the ice - thats what it means I agree, and because it's the symbol of the franchise.
Could've been the teaser for ME:LE and given that all of major images are from the 1-3 and/or are so generic to be pulled from a dozen different sci-fi series and when the decision to make a new ME game was made they decided at the last minute was changed to add "Will Continue" to tease that a new ME game is in the works.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 31, 2020 23:34:31 GMT
I sincerely doubt anyone looking at it would ever think it's a "thawed out" reference. People will think anything but that, when they see the N7 helmet piece. It's ineffective. Unicephalon 40-D 's take could be exactly correct and I think a very clever play on BioWare's part.
Liara looking off in the distance and smiling …
Fits the notion that BioWare is subtly telling us the good news that the Mass Effect franchise is no longer on ice.
The not-so-subtle message is in the screen which shows Mass Effect logo and in red letters below, Will Continue.
Just in case folks don't get the more subtle thawed out reference.
You know, for those that don't do subtle or nuance … but only deal in bombast and hyperbole.
I mean its clever in the sense that its a fun analogy for what they are doing, but it would be a marketing disaster. That being said I think they already did that because the odds of Shepard being back are low, and the number of people looking forward to Shepards return are legion. Giving players hope then dashing it, the Bioware way.
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Post by correctamundo on Dec 31, 2020 23:51:23 GMT
Speaking of bombast and hyperbole...
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 1, 2021 1:22:05 GMT
Unicephalon 40-D 's take could be exactly correct and I think a very clever play on BioWare's part.
Liara looking off in the distance and smiling …
Fits the notion that BioWare is subtly telling us the good news that the Mass Effect franchise is no longer on ice.
The not-so-subtle message is in the screen which shows Mass Effect logo and in red letters below, Will Continue.
Just in case folks don't get the more subtle thawed out reference.
You know, for those that don't do subtle or nuance … but only deal in bombast and hyperbole. Nobody noticed Liara looked older. What are the chances they figured that out?
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jan 1, 2021 9:56:59 GMT
I think a lot of people noticed, at least two, so its not nobody.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 1, 2021 10:38:28 GMT
I think a lot of people noticed, at least two, so its not nobody. If the vast majority of the people interested in the title only saw what they wanted to see, then it is effectively nobody. You and I don't count, to the 2.1 million views of the trailer so far. That's just the way it is.
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Post by ahglock on Jan 1, 2021 15:50:02 GMT
Speaking of bombast and hyperbole... Or truths you just don't like hearing. Whether they intended it or not, they built up the return of Shepard in a shit ton of fans. That is what the majority of people seem to be clamoring for. And to then not just not have Shepard as the protagonist with that tease but for it to be totally irrelevant, unless they are trying to actively jettison most of their old fans that is a bad marketing plan.
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Post by correctamundo on Jan 1, 2021 16:46:30 GMT
Ah yes - "shit ton" - totally not bombast and hyperbole.
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Post by ahglock on Jan 1, 2021 16:59:49 GMT
Ah yes - "shit ton" - totally not bombast and hyperbole. No, its accurate. You can go head in sand mode all you want though, have at it.
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 2, 2021 21:40:23 GMT
I think the thing about 600+ years is that there is enough time for a lot of things to happen. History hasn't been a steady climb upwards to bigger and better things. It's possible for wars or plague to have broken out in the intervening years that cause the galaxy to be in disarray at the start of the game.
Does anyone know if reaper shells will still indoctrinate nearby organics? Or will nothing happen because there is no longer an intelligence guiding the indoctrination?
Yeah which is sort of my point about dark ages, it doesn't have t be the red wave that causes it though that would be the most obvious choice. But outside that you can go with krogan war or something. Problem with synthesis or control is they establish galactic peace. Either through the magical power of synthesis, or Shepard being the all powerful watch dog, so this only works for destruction.
And no as far as I know there is no answer on what reaper shells will do.I think the implication was that they were fully dead, not mostly dead now and it wouldn't but that is just due to them not mentioning it. I'd think if indoctrination was still a threat that would make the highlight real, but it doesn't really have to.
Yes, I'd prefer the crappy state of the galaxy (if that's what we have) to be due to something else and not Shepard's fault.
Also, I just watched a "kill everyone" playthrough and found out that a low EMS (<1750) Destroy ending can kill Joker and Traynor as well, so there are NO members of the Normandy crew that are definitely alive no matter what happens in the trilogy. Some of them have only one opportunity to die, but it is possible to kill everyone.
I guess we will find out about Reaper remains in the next game. It would be pretty terrible if they continued driving people insane even though the Reapers aren't alive.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 2, 2021 21:49:44 GMT
Also, I just watched a "kill everyone" playthrough and found out that a low EMS (<1750) Destroy ending can kill Joker and Traynor as well, so there are NO members of the Normandy crew that are definitely alive no matter what happens in the trilogy. Some of them have only one opportunity to die, but it is possible to kill everyone. It will also kill Hackett. Since his ship is without power, he and others on the ship will either die of lack of oxygen and/or hunger. Click on the link in my signature for all the details how to have as many as possible killed/die.
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 2, 2021 21:56:22 GMT
And no as far as I know there is no answer on what reaper shells will do.I think the implication was that they were fully dead, not mostly dead now and it wouldn't but that is just due to them not mentioning it. I'd think if indoctrination was still a threat that would make the highlight real, but it doesn't really have to. If we're arguing that the Reapers would be "mostly" dead, then we can definitively say that Shepard's story would be far from over. Not to mention that "Shepard's story is over" is an entirely arbitrary end point imposed by people who know nothing about how story telling works. There is no finish line. Well, I have to disagree here. "Shepard's story is over" was Bioware's stance and they know how storytelling works, even if the make missteps sometimes. Now, they may have changed their minds since then, or they may not have, but I think Shepard's story ends with Shepard's death (whether seen in game or offscreen after ME3). I personally don't want an endless resurrection of Shepards like Duncan Idaho. Without her crew she is not that special, and Bioware might as well give us a new protagonist so they don't have to explain why Shepard is back to being level one yet again.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 2, 2021 22:03:20 GMT
Well, I have to disagree here. "Shepard's story is over" was Bioware's stance and they know how storytelling works, even if the make missteps sometimes I don't disagree that Bioware "knows" story telling. But saying someone's story is "over" is arbitrary. Sherlock Holmes' story was over too. Then he came back. Was Arthur Conan Doyle wrong? I sincerely doubt it. Without her crew she is not that special I agree. Which is why the crew should return. LIs especially. Jack and Miri in particular for me. Bioware might as well give us a new protagonist so they don't have to explain why Shepard is back to being level one yet again. The explanation is ready. Badly injured in the post destroy ending scenario and slowly working his way through his injuries. It's ready.
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 2, 2021 22:03:49 GMT
reaper shells still have the ability to indoctrinate after being destroyed? If so, who/what would control the people? Would thing still be around? Could it have downloaded itself to another location, possibly to darkspace, away from the red wave? To limit those from being indoctrinated, how far would they have to be from the shell? How much time would Shepard or a new main character need to stop thing? I don't know how exactly Reaper indoctrination works, but I don't think each Reaper artifact is a walkie-talkie with a Reaper on the other end whispering commands to the indoctrinated. I always saw the artifacts as having some sort of automatic subliminal effect that made people revere Reapers and do things that would further the Reaper agenda without having an intelligence actively guiding them. I could see Reaper hardware continuing to indoctrinate people even though Reapers may no longer exist. So someone might get the idea to rebuild and open the Citadel Relay to dark space, not knowing that nothing is left to come through it. That's just my take, though, and I wondered if there is any specific lore that explains indoctrination.
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Post by NotN7 on Jan 2, 2021 22:08:40 GMT
Yeah which is sort of my point about dark ages, it doesn't have t be the red wave that causes it though that would be the most obvious choice. But outside that you can go with krogan war or something. Problem with synthesis or control is they establish galactic peace. Either through the magical power of synthesis, or Shepard being the all powerful watch dog, so this only works for destruction.
And no as far as I know there is no answer on what reaper shells will do.I think the implication was that they were fully dead, not mostly dead now and it wouldn't but that is just due to them not mentioning it. I'd think if indoctrination was still a threat that would make the highlight real, but it doesn't really have to.
Yes, I'd prefer the crappy state of the galaxy (if that's what we have) to be due to something else and not Shepard's fault.
Also, I just watched a "kill everyone" playthrough and found out that a low EMS (<1750) Destroy ending can kill Joker and Traynor as well, so there are NO members of the Normandy crew that are definitely alive no matter what happens in the trilogy. Some of them have only one opportunity to die, but it is possible to kill everyone.
I guess we will find out about Reaper remains in the next game. It would be pretty terrible if they continued driving people insane even though the Reapers aren't alive.
Just guessing here but I believe those remains were put there since dead Reapers can indoctrinate so they cleaned up the MW by putting them on a uninhabited planet going by how old Liara looks they had plenty of time to do so and made the planet off limit.
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