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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jul 12, 2022 19:13:47 GMT
They have rather painted themselves into a corner in the epilogue to Trespasser where the HoF is concerned. They could just have left them out west somewhere endlessly searching for the "cure". However, specifically if in a romance with Leliana, they are back in retirement with her. So what happened to the rest of them? (Presumably this will be explained in a codex). Anyway, the epilogue also said that Leliana was grooming Harding and Charter to take over her duties, so I think we can safely say that Leliana is now out of the picture whether with the HoF or not. Well there is also the option that Leliana is Victoria. But i hope that she along with Cassandra or Vivienne doesn´t show up in Tevinter of all places as Divine. No need and i would argue that there is a good reason why all three are named Victoria so they can easily be referenced with some alternative dialogues here and there. Well don´t forget the very likely time gap between DAI and DAD. Maybe it´s really 9:52 Dragon. So Morrigan could travel alone because of all couples i see her and the Warden as the most independent couple. Also Kieran would be an adult then so need to travel with his mother. Hanako already corrected this but that was Cullen not Alistair. Well with big? focus on the crows i won´t be that surprised to see Zevran again but who knows?
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Post by thebobzilla84 on Jul 13, 2022 13:23:40 GMT
I’ve had to accept they are gonna bring back Morrigan and she will most likly turn into the new Flemeth/Mythal and that’s my issue a romanced Morrigan that becomes Flemeth are they going to write it that Morrigan/Flemeth abandons the HoF and Kieran to go do Witch of the Wilds stuff.
I’m conflicted if they do that means both Claudia Black and Kate Mulgrew would hopefully be back to voice her which would be awesome but I’m afraid BioWare is gonna pull a BioWare and bungle arguably the Series best Characters imo.
I’d prefer Bioware just make a clone of Flemeth they have done it before and that would be better than the whole transferring Flemeth into Morrigan body BS.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Jul 13, 2022 20:50:04 GMT
Yes please.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 14, 2022 8:03:31 GMT
That was Cullen, not Alistair. Hanako already corrected this but that was Cullen not Alistair. Sorry, you are right, I had a bit of brain fade there; it happens from time to time. Well, Alistair can potentially be dead or a hopeless drunk. He is one or the other in at least two of my world states. If King then I think he could be safely left back in Ferelden. However, he does raise an interesting issue with regard to the Grey Warden that was sent to Weisshaupt. Since Hawke was back in Kirkwall in the epilogue to Trespasser, you would think that the alternative person would have returned to whatever they were planning on doing prior to that mission, which in Alistair's case was to join up with the HoF in the west (if in a romance with them), so presumably he could be safely left wherever the HoF ends up. The difference between Hawke and the other characters, though, is that Alistair, Loghain and Stroud are all wardens, so their duties do specifically relate to that order. Allegedly, the reason for sparing them as opposed to Hawke was that they would rebuild the wardens in the south, assuming Weisshaupt approved of this, although I suppose it might be possible even if they didn't, considering the epilogue to DAI suggested a split between the leadership in the north and the southern wardens. I imagine this might well be the reason given why we will not encounter them up north even if we do visit the Anderfels, as seems likely from the concept art. Essentially, I think there are enough reasons why Alistair would not be making a cameo next game but the possibility that he might if he was still in the wardens.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 14, 2022 8:20:22 GMT
Well with big? focus on the crows i won´t be that surprised to see Zevran again but who knows? I was discussing purely the three characters the poster mentioned: Leliana, Morrigan and Alistair. However, Zevran can also be dead in some world states and is also potentially off with his LI the HoF in others (which was specifically mentioned by the Hero in their letter), so it would seem that there are enough reasons he is no longer involved in Crow affairs for him to be included. If he does appear it is likely either going to be as an optional side-quest or, if there is another War Table, then just mentioned in connection with that as he was in DAI. That said, I wouldn't mind seeing him again as the "Black Shadow", which is how is described in WoT2 if still alive. Of course, he was responsible for the fall of House Arainai in the ranks of the Crows, although in Eight Little Talons their leader was still 8th Talon and was killed off in that story but not by Zevran. His involvement in their troubles was mentioned in the story but only in connection with his failed assassination of the HoF, so sadly I think the Black Shadow is going to be consigned the the category of "just another rumour".
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Post by wickedcool on Jul 14, 2022 19:29:47 GMT
Would love all 3 plus varric. Love varric and morrigan. Kind of a strange topic as it doesn’t start of as a neutral debate and is slanted towards no
Varric is one of the best rogues and loyal to the end
Claudia black is one of the better actors this franchise has and captures a scene she’s in plus she has unique magic that the franchise went away from
Neither one have to be a companion but I hope one provides crossbows and one provides magic lost
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Post by Iddy on Jul 14, 2022 19:45:24 GMT
Leliana and Alistair's story is definitely wrapped up, but Morrigan still has some loose ends. Her showing up one more time is a must.
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Post by cailan33 on Aug 22, 2022 23:42:36 GMT
i really like alistair, (old) leliana and morrigan. i personally think they are one of THE core characters and personalities you will always immediately associate with dragon age saga and its origins. (at least if they grew up with it like i did even i am not really into the lore)
but i agree alistair shouldn't really be in DAD but i would always welcome alistair way more than varric personally.
leliana well... i would say yes to bring her back if DAI or her character development and journey it DAI wouldn't exist. but since it does i am not a big fan of bringing her back...
morrigan tho would be nice and would make sense as alreasy mentioned.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 15, 2022 15:05:17 GMT
Come on the obvious answer is Ahren. Big Kudos if you know this guy without using the Wiki. From the lost DLC?
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Nov 5, 2022 23:09:59 GMT
Thanks to Reddit and necrowaif we can rule out Morrigan for DAD. Atleast for the main game. Claudia Black SEP ONLY 1 ACCOUNT @theclaudiablackI have two big things coming out - one in December/January and one probably late 2023 that I just finished filming and I can’t talk about either of them. They’re juicy. Amy Evans @amypiscesTwo things coming? *prays for the new Dragon Age to be one of them but knows we can’t find out until we play the game* Claudia Black SEP ONLY 1 ACCOUNT @theclaudiablackSpoiler - I’m not in this one.
Interessing and perhaps for some disappointing but i am glad (to be fair i won´t mind her that much) that Morrigan takes a break.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Nov 6, 2022 0:13:09 GMT
Thanks to Reddit and necrowaif we can rule out Morrigan for DAD. Atleast for the main game. Claudia Black SEP ONLY 1 ACCOUNT @theclaudiablackI have two big things coming out - one in December/January and one probably late 2023 that I just finished filming and I can’t talk about either of them. They’re juicy. Amy Evans @amypiscesTwo things coming? *prays for the new Dragon Age to be one of them but knows we can’t find out until we play the game* Claudia Black SEP ONLY 1 ACCOUNT @theclaudiablackSpoiler - I’m not in this one. Interessing and perhaps for some disappointing but i am glad (to be fair i won´t mind her that much) that Morrigan takes a break. huh, surprising.
I'd thought we might see Morrigan as the new vessal for Mythal after Flemeth's death. Or playing some role related to drinknig from the well.
I wonder if we'll see her in a future game after DAD?
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 6, 2022 8:10:44 GMT
I'd thought we might see Morrigan as the new vessal for Mythal after Flemeth's death. Or playing some role related to drinknig from the well.
As far as the Well goes, Morrigan doesn't always drink, so any plot involving her would also have to involve the Inquisitor. I've long wondered if the impact of drinking the Well or not was going to be limited to Trespasser. It could have had great significance going forward but only if they wanted it to. Strangely enough you will notice that Solas makes no mention of it when we confront him. Still, he did make the point back in the main game that if we drank, we were now Mythal's thrall. So, assuming that Mythal is in favour of whatever Solas is going to do, there was never much chance of the Well drinker moving against him. So far as the vessel is concerned, there are a couple of possibilities. Firstly, she could look like Morrigan but not sound like her. The alternative would be that her whole appearance changes, which is something that Mythal could certainly do if she wanted to stay hidden. Remember back in DAO, we asked Morrigan if she could shapeshift into a person. Her response was something along the lines of why would she want to do that? I definitely formed the impression that if a shapeshifter wanted to change into another humanoid, they could. Why couldn't a shapeshifter change from human to an elf, or dwarf, or even a Qunari? I wonder if we'll see her in a future game after DAD? Again, much depends on whether the current writers want to bring her back. However, it also likely depends on where the plot goes in DAD and how the game finishes. If it does result in a New Age, that could be what the Inheritor is being saved for. In this scenario, Mythal doesn't want Morrigan to get involved in the turmoil surrounding Solas but to be left safely in the wings, ready to resume her rightful place in the new world order. Even if we avert such a scenario, it would still explain why Morrigan does not play an active role in the events of DAD.
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Post by bierkrug on Nov 8, 2022 15:37:17 GMT
Darn, am I the only one who would happily see everyone of these guys again? And I don't even care much for Leliana.
Could there also be the chance that Morrigan's potential voice recording just hasn't been done yet? Sometimes they use placeholder voices and all that.
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Post by Iddy on Nov 8, 2022 16:05:37 GMT
I'd thought we might see Morrigan as the new vessal for Mythal after Flemeth's death. Or playing some role related to drinknig from the well.
As far as the Well goes, Morrigan doesn't always drink, so any plot involving her would also have to involve the Inquisitor. I've long wondered if the impact of drinking the Well or not was going to be limited to Trespasser. It could have had great significance going forward but only if they wanted it to. Strangely enough you will notice that Solas makes no mention of it when we confront him. Still, he did make the point back in the main game that if we drank, we were now Mythal's thrall. So, assuming that Mythal is in favour of whatever Solas is going to do, there was never much chance of the Well drinker moving against him. So far as the vessel is concerned, there are a couple of possibilities. Firstly, she could look like Morrigan but not sound like her. The alternative would be that her whole appearance changes, which is something that Mythal could certainly do if she wanted to stay hidden. Remember back in DAO, we asked Morrigan if she could shapeshift into a person. Her response was something along the lines of why would she want to do that? I definitely formed the impression that if a shapeshifter wanted to change into another humanoid, they could. Why couldn't a shapeshifter change from human to an elf, or dwarf, or even a Qunari? I wonder if we'll see her in a future game after DAD? Again, much depends on whether the current writers want to bring her back. However, it also likely depends on where the plot goes in DAD and how the game finishes. If it does result in a New Age, that could be what the Inheritor is being saved for. In this scenario, Mythal doesn't want Morrigan to get involved in the turmoil surrounding Solas but to be left safely in the wings, ready to resume her rightful place in the new world order. Even if we avert such a scenario, it would still explain why Morrigan does not play an active role in the events of DAD. I remember that Morrigan said something along the lines of needing to learn what each animal is like in order to transform into them. And since she is already human, she can't learn anything new. Thus, this is the only human form she can possess.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 8, 2022 16:24:28 GMT
Is that a real limitation of the magic, or just of Morrigan herself?
I mean, if copying another human's form requires understanding that particular person, Morrigan would be lousy at it -- DA:O Morrigan, anyway.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 8, 2022 16:36:16 GMT
I remember that Morrigan said something along the lines of needing to learn what each animal is like in order to transform into them. And since she is already human, she can't learn anything new. Thus, this is the only human form she can possess. I thought that was probably more to explain how a shapeshifter couldn't impersonate another character successfully, because anyone familiar with that person would spot there was something off about them. However, as I say above, even if she couldn't adopt another human form, what about another race? For example, a Qunari is sufficiently different from a human, particularly a member of the Qun, that it would require a degree of study. After all, it is easy enough just to copy the appearance of an animal but it seems to require more than that and you have to know the animal to have the same attributes as it, whether that be a spider or a bear. Presumably she needed to study a raven for a while before she could fly like one. However, what about her transformation into a dragon? How many dragons had she studied before that? Yet, she seemed to be pretty effective in combat against Corypheus's dragon. This is why I wonder if her answer in DAO was simply being evasive. After all, the Envy demon was able to impersonate Lucius and whilst it may have spent some time with him reading his memories, they had to separate at some point. If Morrigan spent some time in the company of another person studying their mannerisms and talking with them, she could probably pull it off too.
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Post by darthshadielavellan on Nov 8, 2022 23:12:06 GMT
I think they ALL will come back. Morrigan either drank from the Well of Sorrows, has Kieran, and/or knowledge about Mythal/Flemeth/other Witches of the Wilds. Leliana is either Divine, and if so will definitely make an appearance, and the spy master still, regardless whether the Inquisition is disbanded or not. Her network of spies will also likely come into play. Alistair is either in the Fade or at Weisshaupt Fortress. I suppose it would make sense to not bring back the one in the Fade or at Weisshaupt, but I don't think we're done with them either way. There are Griffons to nurture at Weisshaupt, a clutch of eggs being found, and the exact fate of the one in the Fade has not yet been determined definitely. It's assumed, but we never know. Nightmare is not dealt with. Nightmare could use whoever i sin the Fade or capture them, or a spirit helps them escape. I think all three will return in DA:D. (Side note: I just realised that when I write DAD with the colon (DA:D), it looks like I'm writing DA with a wide smiley face attached to it )
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 9, 2022 8:58:37 GMT
I think that so far as VA's are concerned, some have voiced other characters, particularly minor NPCs (Alistiar's VA definitely has), when not on screen as the main one, so if they are on roll for voice work generally, it is easy enough to have them record a few lines for their iconic character without the latter being a major part of the plot. Claudia Black has denied any involvement in DA:D, so hardly likely to have a major role in it even if they hadn't invited her back yet to record her lines. So, if Morrigan appears at all, it is only likely to be a fleeting appearance. I think all three will return in DA:D. I disagree about this unless they are going to revive the Grey Warden plot and have the Fade survivor involved in it. Clearly, that would involve Alistair but also Loghain, Stroud or Hawke. Since Trespasser placed the latter back in Kirkwall, it seems they have moved on from their involvement with the Grey Wardens. Tevinter Nights had all wardens being recalled to HQ, so that could still include one of the other 3, but I'm not clear about the timescales on this. I think any Grey Warden connection with the plot of DA:D is likely going to be set up in the latest comic series, which will supersede the epilogue to Inquisition and perhaps find a way to ensure that the Fade survivor is no longer a factor they have to consider going forward. As for Leliana, the epilogue to Trespasser had her training up her replacements within the Shadow Inquisition, so whether Divine or not, I think she has gone into honourable retirement. If not Divine and a lyrium ghost, then she has returned to the Fade. She has no reason to be up north, so I don't expect to see her there.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Nov 9, 2022 17:20:56 GMT
I think they ALL will come back. I also disagree. Morrigan won´t be recast so if have take Claudia Black by her word that atleast for the main game that she isn´t in it.
Leliana is clearly the most overused character in the series and her character story seem done after Trespasser.
Alistair is so much of a quantum character that i highly doubt that Bioware bring him ever back. Maybe as king but why should he be in Tevinter? I know in comics he had been in Tevinter but he had in pretty important personal journey in searching of his father.
Last but not least for my biggest argument against those three. Other characters also need some love and those three had already more than screentime in series. And its impossible to bring all back and do them justice so more of Sten and Shale than Leliana and Alistair.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 9, 2022 17:56:28 GMT
And its impossible to bring all back and do them justice so more of Sten and Shale than Leliana and Alistair. More to the point, both Sten and Shale have a legitimate reason to be up north, so it wouldn't be odd to find them there. For people who have only played the games, there would need to be some explanation (probably in a codex) about how Sten became the Arishok but Shale was even meant to be heading to Tevinter in one scenario in DAO, so it wouldn't be unexpected to run into her.
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Post by q5tyhj on Nov 9, 2022 18:20:55 GMT
I hope we get to see Sten again, that would be fun. And since the Qunari/Tevinter storyline seems like its going to be prominent in DA4, its not inconceivable that could happen.
I'm fine with not seeing Alistair, Morrigen or Leliana again, they had a good run.
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Post by GalentheYounger on Nov 9, 2022 18:29:57 GMT
I hope we get to see Sten again, that would be fun. And since the Qunari/Tevinter storyline seems like its going to be prominent in DA4, its not inconceivable that could happen. I'm fine with not seeing Alistair, Morrigen or Leliana again, they had a good run. Totallly agree with and forgot about Sten - would be a great place to bring him back. Also agree on Ali, Morrigan and Leliana. However. I want to see resolution to the Warden going off to find the cure for the taint storyline - the epilogue of trespasser, if the warden romanced leliana, states that they returned from their quest for the cure to Leliana, which, to my mind, implies a degree of success. I want that resolved and confirmed to some degree - Ali and the warden do not need to be there for them to do that. (selfishly, I want my Warden Queen Cousland and Al to have the family they always wanted, LOL).
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Nov 9, 2022 18:41:59 GMT
More to the point, both Sten and Shale have a legitimate reason to be up north, so it wouldn't be odd to find them there. For people who have only played the games, there would need to be some explanation (probably in a codex) about how Sten became the Arishok but Shale was even meant to be heading to Tevinter in one scenario in DAO, so it wouldn't be unexpected to run into her. I personally would bring back Sten and Shale regardless of the player choice. It´s a bit forced but it´s not impossible that someone else freed Sten and he somehow finds his sword.
And Shale someone else actived her and as golem she can´t be killed that easily. Maybe Shale´s "death" in DAO was more that she has been unconscious rather than killed. And another reason against Alistair, Leliana and Morrigan well i would to see some from Awakening return instead. As a fan i would love to see another Nathaniel cameo but i hate to admit from a story point of view i would prefer Velanna who i despise. Or had Bioware already forgotten that Awakening had ever existed?
I want that resolved and confirmed to some degree You don´t need Leliana nor the Warden personal to show for this. One or two lines from Lelianas successors Lace Harding or Charter will also work as fine. Or some codex entry or like in DAI a letter.
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Post by q5tyhj on Nov 9, 2022 18:46:46 GMT
I hope we get to see Sten again, that would be fun. And since the Qunari/Tevinter storyline seems like its going to be prominent in DA4, its not inconceivable that could happen. I'm fine with not seeing Alistair, Morrigen or Leliana again, they had a good run. Totallly agree with and forgot about Sten - would be a great place to bring him back. Also agree on Ali, Morrigan and Leliana. However. I want to see resolution to the Warden going off to find the cure for the taint storyline - the epilogue of trespasser, if the warden romanced leliana, states that they returned from their quest for the cure to Leliana, which, to my mind, implies a degree of success. I want that resolved and confirmed to some degree - Ali and the warden do not need to be there for them to do that. (selfishly, I want my Warden Queen Cousland and Al to have the family they always wanted, LOL). Oh yeah good point, I forgot about that. Definitely want resolution to that subplot, and I agree that it would be weird if Leliana wasn't somehow involved if the Warden had romanced Leliana. And I'm not opposed to seeing Leliana (or Alistair or Morrigen) again, I just wouldn't be disappointed if we didn't. But yeah I def want to hear about what came of the Warden's quest to find a cure for the taint/the Calling.
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Post by Iddy on Nov 9, 2022 23:35:00 GMT
Thanks to Reddit and necrowaif we can rule out Morrigan for DAD. Atleast for the main game. Claudia Black SEP ONLY 1 ACCOUNT @theclaudiablackI have two big things coming out - one in December/January and one probably late 2023 that I just finished filming and I can’t talk about either of them. They’re juicy. Amy Evans @amypiscesTwo things coming? *prays for the new Dragon Age to be one of them but knows we can’t find out until we play the game* Claudia Black SEP ONLY 1 ACCOUNT @theclaudiablackSpoiler - I’m not in this one. Interessing and perhaps for some disappointing but i am glad (to be fair i won´t mind her that much) that Morrigan takes a break. Well, that settles it. If Morrigan's connection to Mythal and her potential status as inheritor of the Well of Sorrows isn't enough to get her into DA:D, which is going to be a rather elfy game, there is no way she will show up when these topics are no longer the main focus. I'm surprised to find out that Claudia Black is less than thrilled about the idea of playing Morrigan again. She's only done it twice and it's been nearly a decade since the last time.
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