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Post by ahglock on Apr 26, 2021 14:20:56 GMT
That's kinda how I feel Panda. The oG versions of the games look and play amazingly in 4K and while John Shepard now looks like a drag queen (at least in the pictures I've seen) the one single change I actually agree with is that they brought over the model of Jane Shepard from 3 now into 1 and 2 as well. Other than that.....I'm sure it looks all fancified, but it's not necessary. I think they should have put this money into the new ME title or into DA 4 instead....And selling it for the full price of the original games? OKay, sure you're getting all 3 games at that price so I guess mathematically you could call it a deal if you were so inclined. But after all this time and with as good as the Originals still look and play, why not sell this new edition at a lesser cost....like 60 or, hell, even 50.00 plus tax. I still wouldn't buy it of course, but that's just me. I will be buying the new ME title and DA 4 of course.
While I agree in theory in bringing in the ME3 model I have seen some shots where she looks really weird and plastic or something.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Apr 26, 2021 15:25:01 GMT
That's kinda how I feel Panda. The oG versions of the games look and play amazingly in 4K and while John Shepard now looks like a drag queen (at least in the pictures I've seen) the one single change I actually agree with is that they brought over the model of Jane Shepard from 3 now into 1 and 2 as well. Other than that.....I'm sure it looks all fancified, but it's not necessary. I think they should have put this money into the new ME title or into DA 4 instead....And selling it for the full price of the original games? OKay, sure you're getting all 3 games at that price so I guess mathematically you could call it a deal if you were so inclined. But after all this time and with as good as the Originals still look and play, why not sell this new edition at a lesser cost....like 60 or, hell, even 50.00 plus tax. I still wouldn't buy it of course, but that's just me. I will be buying the new ME title and DA 4 of course.
While I agree in theory in bringing in the ME3 model I have seen some shots where she looks really weird and plastic or something.
Jane still doesn't look as bad a John. The single headshot of John that IGN showcased made him look like a drag queen with too much botox. The eyes had serious eyeliner/make-up look to them and the skin looked really stretched out. Too smooth to be 'real' looking. The originals (especially in 3) looked worlds better.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 26, 2021 15:47:26 GMT
That's kinda how I feel Panda. The oG versions of the games look and play amazingly in 4K and while John Shepard now looks like a drag queen (at least in the pictures I've seen) the one single change I actually agree with is that they brought over the model of Jane Shepard from 3 now into 1 and 2 as well. Other than that.....I'm sure it looks all fancified, but it's not necessary. I think they should have put this money into the new ME title or into DA 4 instead....And selling it for the full price of the original games? OKay, sure you're getting all 3 games at that price so I guess mathematically you could call it a deal if you were so inclined. But after all this time and with as good as the Originals still look and play, why not sell this new edition at a lesser cost....like 60 or, hell, even 50.00 plus tax. I still wouldn't buy it of course, but that's just me. I will be buying the new ME title and DA 4 of course. Living on PS3 in those days, I don’t even know what 4K Mass Effect looks like lol. I can tell you though that to that end, ME1 ran horribly. Every auto-save or mass relay load screen was a roll of the dice to a hard crash, and Mass Effect 2, at least on my platform, never fixed the audio bug where dialogue cuts out at the last syllable. Kinda nice to not have to fire up that old obelisk to play the trilogy again. For what it’s worth, I don’t suppose the investment that went into the remaster would have affected whatever was put into the upcoming installment, or the next Dragon Age.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Apr 26, 2021 16:38:01 GMT
That's kinda how I feel Panda. The oG versions of the games look and play amazingly in 4K and while John Shepard now looks like a drag queen (at least in the pictures I've seen) the one single change I actually agree with is that they brought over the model of Jane Shepard from 3 now into 1 and 2 as well. Other than that.....I'm sure it looks all fancified, but it's not necessary. I think they should have put this money into the new ME title or into DA 4 instead....And selling it for the full price of the original games? OKay, sure you're getting all 3 games at that price so I guess mathematically you could call it a deal if you were so inclined. But after all this time and with as good as the Originals still look and play, why not sell this new edition at a lesser cost....like 60 or, hell, even 50.00 plus tax. I still wouldn't buy it of course, but that's just me. I will be buying the new ME title and DA 4 of course. Living on PS3 in those days, I don’t even know what 4K Mass Effect looks like lol. I can tell you though that to that end, ME1 ran horribly. Every auto-save or mass relay load screen was a roll of the dice to a hard crash, and Mass Effect 2, at least on my platform, never fixed the audio bug where dialogue cuts out at the last syllable. Kinda nice to not have to fire up that old obelisk to play the trilogy again. For what it’s worth, I don’t suppose the investment that went into the remaster would have affected whatever was put into the upcoming installment, or the next Dragon Age. I suppose not.
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 26, 2021 17:40:13 GMT
I thought Andromeda was a perfectly serviceable game, it just wasn't up there with the awesomeness of the trilogy.
I'm very much up for 'more'...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 26, 2021 17:58:11 GMT
I thought Andromeda was a perfectly serviceable game, it just wasn't up there with the awesomeness of the trilogy. I'm very much up for 'more'... I disagree about MEA not being up there with the awesomeness of the trilogy (thought it was better than any of those games), but definitely agree on the ready for more (though I guess it depends what the more turns out to be).
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 26, 2021 18:04:35 GMT
I disagree about MEA not being up there with the awesomeness of the trilogy (thought it was better than any of those games), but definitely agree on the ready for more (though I guess it depends what the more turns out to be). I respect that view. For me I had no issue with the 'look' of Andromeda. And issues were quickly resolved. Also the actual gameplay is the strongest in the series. However, if you try to make a compilation of 'best bits' from the trilogy, you're just swimming in moments. Try to do the same with Andromeda and you struggle more because the story pulls its punches in my view.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Apr 26, 2021 19:16:25 GMT
I thought Andromeda was a perfectly serviceable game, it just wasn't up there with the awesomeness of the trilogy. I'm very much up for 'more'... I disagree about MEA not being up there with the awesomeness of the trilogy (thought it was better than any of those games), but definitely agree on the ready for more (though I guess it depends what the more turns out to be). Each to his/her own, of course....But are you honestly telling me you thought ME:A was better (in terms of characters and story and writing) than the OT? Im not faulting you for your thoughts or opinion, not at all. I'm just surprised to hear anyone say that so openly. In 96% of all cases, I would suspect it would be the other way around is all. And don't get me wrong...I enjoyed Andromeda (and for the most part) I enjoyed the story, writing and characters. I will agree with an above poster who said that of the four ME games, Andromeda had the best combat and gameplay mechanics....But for me, personally, in terms of writing, characters, story, memorable moments and everything that causes someone to genuinely or generally like/enjoy or remember a game for all the right reasons, the OT carries far more emotional weight, impact and a better over all, and longer, lasting impression. I'm just surprised and curious to hear your opinions is all.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 26, 2021 19:54:15 GMT
I disagree about MEA not being up there with the awesomeness of the trilogy (thought it was better than any of those games), but definitely agree on the ready for more (though I guess it depends what the more turns out to be). I respect that view. For me I had no issue with the 'look' of Andromeda. And issues were quickly resolved. Also the actual gameplay is the strongest in the series. However, if you try to make a compilation of 'best bits' from the trilogy, you're just swimming in moments. Try to do the same with Andromeda and you struggle more because the story pulls its punches in my view. Sure, the trilogy as a whole may have more best bits, but that's to be expected as it's three games compared to one. However, MEA has more best bits than ME1, ME2, or ME3 on their own. Also I think a lot of people's best bits of the trilogy aren't that good. I disagree about MEA not being up there with the awesomeness of the trilogy (thought it was better than any of those games), but definitely agree on the ready for more (though I guess it depends what the more turns out to be). Each to his/her own, of course....But are you honestly telling me you thought ME:A was better (in terms of characters and story and writing) than the OT? Im not faulting you for your thoughts or opinion, not at all. I'm just surprised to hear anyone say that so openly. In 96% of all cases, I would suspect it would be the other way around is all. And don't get me wrong...I enjoyed Andromeda (and for the most part) I enjoyed the story, writing and characters. I will agree with an above poster who said that of the four ME games, Andromeda had the best combat and gameplay mechanics....But for me, personally, in terms of writing, characters, story, memorable moments and everything that causes someone to genuinely or generally like/enjoy or remember a game for all the right reasons, the OT carries far more emotional weight, impact and a better over all, and longer, lasting impression. I'm just surprised and curious to hear your opinions is all. Yes, I honestly think again. Especially when looking at each of the Shepard Trilogy games by themselves (again, seems unfair to compare a whole trilogy against one game). The squadmates were better (of the original trilogy I can think of only a few I liked more by the end than most of the MEA), the crew was definitely better (then again I only really liked Kelly and Gabby of the Normandy crew), the story was better (still had stakes, but had a lot more of the exploration that I loved in ME1 that ME2/3 dropped), and so on.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 26, 2021 21:01:49 GMT
I thought Andromeda was a perfectly serviceable game, it just wasn't up there with the awesomeness of the trilogy. I'm very much up for 'more'... I disagree about MEA not being up there with the awesomeness of the trilogy (thought it was better than any of those games), but definitely agree on the ready for more (though I guess it depends what the more turns out to be). The most awesome thing about MEA was seeing Fiend grab little Ryder, take a bite out of him/her, then smashing them into the ground killing them. OUTSTANDING. AWESOME. Oh yeah. EXCELLLENT. The trilogy has a lot of awesomeness. ME1 - Williams killing Wrex, the council going boom, Shepard telling off t'soni, Udina chosen as councilor ME2 - Harbinger, SR2, Mr. Martin Sheen, space hamster, working with Cerberus, the awesome food made by the Honorable Mr. Rupert Gardner, the greatest chef in the universe, the suicide mission, Miranda throwing that asari across the screen ME3- having the memorial wall filled with names while still getting the breath scene, having 0 krogan war assets while still getting the breath scene, Harbinger vaporizing squadmates on the beam run, a destroyer landing on top of a turian ship, Kai Leng's hairstyle, watching t'soni fly on Kai Leng Airlines, listening to javik talk smack to t'soni on Thessia, Javik as a squadmate, seeing traynor beat Shepard at chess, destroying the reapers
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Post by therevanchist25 on Apr 26, 2021 22:08:07 GMT
Mass Effect never took any "risks" and was never "adult". Please, please, read a book. How is it that so many people here claim to love Science Fiction when they've clearly never even looked at anything besides this one mediocre trilogy? Which books do you recommend? Maybe I'm ignorant, but I don't think anything can capture the first experience I had with ME1, be it in a book, movie or game. Have you heard of Blade Runner my dude? Ender's Game? Neuromancer? A Princess of Mars? Anything my guy. Expand your horizon.
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Post by sassafrassa on May 6, 2021 4:37:00 GMT
It's hard to imagine a modern Mass Effect game being made that has a good story. Might have fun gameplay, but story is important to Mass Effect. The writing is important. No way Bioware's modern writers are capable of achieving that. Anything they produce will be way worse than anything Hudson or Walters ever produced.
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Post by The Elder King on May 6, 2021 5:06:46 GMT
It's hard to imagine a modern Mass Effect game being made that has a good story. Might have fun gameplay, but story is important to Mass Effect. The writing is important. No way Bioware's modern writers are capable of achieving that. Anything they produce will be way worse than anything Hudson or Walters ever produced. Hudson didn’t write anything in the OT. He wasn’t and isn’t a writer. Considering that Hudson and Walters are the minds behind the ME3 endings, I honestly doubt the current writers can’t top that. Walters is also the one behind the Cerberus focus in ME2/ME3, and while I didn’t mind Cerberus’ role in ME2, in ME3 it was...not that great, in terms of writing quality. The best part of ME3 are definitely not Cerberus related, and at least one writer partially behind one of the best arks in the trilogy (Tuchanka), is still in BioWare, although on DA. I get being skeptical or wary on DA4 and NME (I certainly am), but I wouldn’t sugarcoat the OT as being perfect. There are many dumb plots and mistakes in that as well, and some of those mistakes are related to those two people you mentioned as well.
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Post by jrpN7 on May 6, 2021 15:46:14 GMT
I disagree about MEA not being up there with the awesomeness of the trilogy (thought it was better than any of those games), but definitely agree on the ready for more (though I guess it depends what the more turns out to be). Each to his/her own, of course....But are you honestly telling me you thought ME:A was better (in terms of characters and story and writing) than the OT? Im not faulting you for your thoughts or opinion, not at all. I'm just surprised to hear anyone say that so openly. In 96% of all cases, I would suspect it would be the other way around is all. And don't get me wrong...I enjoyed Andromeda (and for the most part) I enjoyed the story, writing and characters. I will agree with an above poster who said that of the four ME games, Andromeda had the best combat and gameplay mechanics....But for me, personally, in terms of writing, characters, story, memorable moments and everything that causes someone to genuinely or generally like/enjoy or remember a game for all the right reasons, the OT carries far more emotional weight, impact and a better over all, and longer, lasting impression. I'm just surprised and curious to hear your opinions is all. Oh, if you say the slightest negative thing about Andromeda (despite the plethora of perfectly reasonable reasons to) 1-2 of the same 3-4 forum dwellers, who I could list by name, will be on your back within the hour to pettily defend it. It's a mystery why anyone would waste so much time and energy to defend such an innovative-bankrupt game. Sure, it has some OK moments, but hardly worth all the defensiveness.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 16:10:19 GMT
Always in motion, the future is. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. - little Green man that lost to Sidious As for NME:
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Post by sassafrassa on May 6, 2021 16:47:05 GMT
Hudson didn’t write anything in the OT. He wasn’t and isn’t a writer. Considering that Hudson and Walters are the minds behind the ME3 endings, You contradict yourself. He may not be an actual writer, but he contributes ideas and seems to have had influence over what the writers were told to write, so this is splitting hairs.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 6, 2021 18:53:53 GMT
I get being skeptical or wary on DA4 and NME (I certainly am), but I wouldn’t sugarcoat the OT as being perfect. There are many dumb plots and mistakes in that as well, and some of those mistakes are related to those two people you mentioned as well. It's not a vote of confidence for the future since, anything produced since then, has been doing progressively worse.
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Post by wright1978 on May 6, 2021 19:02:49 GMT
It's hard to imagine a modern Mass Effect game being made that has a good story. Might have fun gameplay, but story is important to Mass Effect. The writing is important. No way Bioware's modern writers are capable of achieving that. Anything they produce will be way worse than anything Hudson or Walters ever produced. I don’t necessarily buy the view that there’s no writing talent at bioware. Despite my issues with inquisition, there’s some very solid writing. andromeda’s writing was awful but then it was being handed to a studio that shouldn’t have been dealing with it imo. i’m keeping my fingers they’ll have bravery and vision to deliver something better.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 6, 2021 19:05:04 GMT
It's hard to imagine a modern Mass Effect game being made that has a good story. Might have fun gameplay, but story is important to Mass Effect. The writing is important. No way Bioware's modern writers are capable of achieving that. Anything they produce will be way worse than anything Hudson or Walters ever produced. I don’t necessarily buy the view that there’s no writing talent at bioware. Despite my issues with inquisition, there’s some very solid writing. andromeda’s writing was awful but then it was being handed to a studio that shouldn’t have been dealing with it imo. i’m keeping my fingers they’ll have bravery and vision to deliver something better. From what Hanako says, most of the writers from Andromeda are still with Bioware and working on next games.
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Post by wright1978 on May 6, 2021 19:17:52 GMT
I don’t necessarily buy the view that there’s no writing talent at bioware. Despite my issues with inquisition, there’s some very solid writing. andromeda’s writing was awful but then it was being handed to a studio that shouldn’t have been dealing with it imo. i’m keeping my fingers they’ll have bravery and vision to deliver something better. From what Hanako says, most of the writers from Andromeda are still with Bioware and working on next games. I have my concerns about jay watamaniuk, I wasn’t a huge fan of his me3 miranda writing (though as someone very junior he maybe didn’t get much say)after which he worked on anthem and andromeda. However someone like dombrow did some great work on mass effect series. He worked on andromeda too. I’ll be curious as to who ends up leading it because will likely have a major impact.
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Post by jrpN7 on May 6, 2021 19:39:08 GMT
I don’t necessarily buy the view that there’s no writing talent at bioware. Despite my issues with inquisition, there’s some very solid writing. andromeda’s writing was awful but then it was being handed to a studio that shouldn’t have been dealing with it imo. i’m keeping my fingers they’ll have bravery and vision to deliver something better. From what Hanako says, most of the writers from Andromeda are still with Bioware and working on next games. Oh no. Pls no.
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Post by The Elder King on May 6, 2021 20:20:33 GMT
I get being skeptical or wary on DA4 and NME (I certainly am), but I wouldn’t sugarcoat the OT as being perfect. There are many dumb plots and mistakes in that as well, and some of those mistakes are related to those two people you mentioned as well. It's not a vote of confidence for the future since, anything produced since then, has been doing progressively worse. I never said that people should be confident, only to not put the OT on a pedestal.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 6, 2021 21:08:01 GMT
I never said that people should be confident, only to not put the OT on a pedestal. I don't think anyone does, but compared to what we got after, it might as well be. Like Attack of the Clones was pretty bad, but compared to TLJ? Citizen fucking Kane. I have my concerns about jay watamaniuk, I wasn’t a huge fan of his me3 miranda writing (though as someone very junior he maybe didn’t get much say)after which he worked on anthem and andromeda. He also wrote Sera, the gobo elf of Inquisition.
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Post by Little Bengel on May 6, 2021 21:35:19 GMT
He also wrote Sera, the gobo elf of Inquisition. That wasn't Jay Watamaniuk. It was Lukas Kristjanson.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 6, 2021 21:36:35 GMT
He also wrote Sera, the gobo elf of Inquisition. That wasn't Jay Watamaniuk. It was Lukas Kristjanson. My bad.
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