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Post by cptdata on Feb 15, 2021 21:14:42 GMT
Any reason as to why you say that... Because I hated how 90% of those storylines ended. Most of them were rushed, others skipped and all ended uncharacteristically anticlimactic. No payoffs. Which is why people expected something in the endings. But it wasn't there either.
I wonder what people did expect - all I know what I wanted to see. And back in the days of old Bioware forums, a few hundred other ppl gave some ideas.
I wish they would have explored the dark energy plot. Even got some ideas here how to finish the story - by putting more weigth on Sovereigns words "you can't understand us" (more or less). Interested? If not, you may skip.
Shortest version: usage of Mass Effect builds up negative / dark energy in stars. That's the original idea hinted in ME2. Therefore I took that idea and expanded it greatly. The Reapers are as old as that dark energy issue as they got invented by some forerunners (I'll stay with the Leviathans). However, they ran into a problem: AI lacks imagination and even if it can provide some solution, it may not be the one they had in mind. For instance, the AI could have said "quit using mass effect devices" - but the forerunners didn't want such solution as they needed it as rulers of the galaxy. They went through different solutions until the AI presented one they hadn't in mind: to achieve perfection (required for finding a solution), they had to fuse organics into a massive collective mind. With enough individuals integrated, they might have enough different thoughts contributing to the solution. The closest thing in canon story is the Geth concensus.
The rest of the story is quite the same: the Reapers ALLOW (!) civilizations to rise until they're "reap" and then DEMAND (!) to collect them so they can contribute finding a solution for an eon old problem. They still follow the same imperative as they did from day one: they still need to find a solution that ends dark energy build up and also must keep the mass effect devices active. Every 50.000 years (more or less) they return and reap the next generation of civilizations, hoping they finally would come up with a new idea how to defeat the dark energy issue. There's a reason why they picked mankind in our cycle: they're the most virile, most creative beings available. Asari are in a techological and ethical stasis, Turians are too rigid in their thinking. Krogans are primitive compared to the rest, Salarians MAY provide a solution but are way too easy to distract FOR SCIENCE, Batarians are primitives as well ... and so on. I mean: Mankind only needed approx 30 years or so from pre-spaceflight species to interstellar power that gave the Turians a run for their money - the Turians had a 15.000 year history of civilization by that point, including a period as galactic superpower for approx 1500 years. That must have impressed some of the Reapers. Shepard is considered a threat but ALSO a primary target for integration due his/her resourcefulness.
The Leviathans are still around 1 billion years after they gave that task to the Reapers. They're still waiting for a solution. If the Reapers can come up with one - no matter how many civilizations they have to absorb, the Leviathans will earn their investment and rule the galaxy once more without the threat of destruction via dark energy collapsing stars.
That's how I would have ended the trilogy: by revealing the fact the Reapers trying to SAVE the universe from "environmental damage" caused by mass manipulation via element zero. They're not altruistic in any way, they're just following orders given a billion years ago by masters that are still around (yet well hidden). The final decision is quite different then: A ) "SKIP CYCLE": Reapers are forced to retreat from current reaping cycle and will return in 50.000 years for the next one. B ) "CONTRIBUTE": Reapers are allowed to collect what they need, however, unlike all other cycles before, they'll allow some small pockets of current civilizations to survive. C ) "END THE SEARCH": Reapers suffer heavy losses and the surviving Reapers are not allowed to return to this galaxy. (basically Destruction)
Still three endings, but three without space magic but actual decisions. A and C allow future ME games post Shepard in the galaxy without much damage. B is the "ultimative sacrifice" - since people may prefer "contributing to survival of civilization" over "survival of their own civilization". The entire "Leviathans shall rule again" stuff doesn't look that bad if there's anything left species can live in. The price is 95 - 99% of all current advanced civilizations but at least there are enough left to rebuild themselves over time ... so it's not that bad, I guess.
Your thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 23:07:28 GMT
The only thing I would add to it is a minor subplot that would connect MET and MEA: one of the Reapers objective was to prevent Andromeda's galaxy collision with Milky Way, because they are truly TERRIFIED of something that lurks there. So, in addition of the dark energy plot, theres something even more sinister around our galactic neighbors, something that would be hinted at MEA.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 15, 2021 23:09:29 GMT
I don't know. If it allows for exploration of what our crew does, after the war, the people that were important to us and allowed for some time with them, I'd be all for it. It's not something you can experience as a dead guy and for a character driven story, that was a really bad idea. It makes for a very detached and unsatisfying ending.
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Post by atricks on Feb 27, 2021 22:47:39 GMT
It would be nice if we could use the me3 multiplayer powers.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Feb 28, 2021 0:27:07 GMT
If people would shut up about the fucking endings. I know that is not going to happen but still that would be great and IMHO the best thing to come out of ME:LE.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 28, 2021 12:32:51 GMT
If people would shut up about the fucking endings. I know that is not going to happen but still that would be great and IMHO the best thing to come out of ME:LE. I’d really be interested to see the perspective of newcomers, who never saw the original endings in all their horrible glory, seeing the extended version for the first time. We all knew it was coming though. When this comes out, the age old arguments will resurface. Cats and dogs will move back in with each other after all these years. Save your color-coded cupcakes, because the salt gon’ rise again.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 28, 2021 12:33:54 GMT
It would be nice if we could use the me3 multiplayer powers. Don’t forget outfits. There were some armor options that really should be at Shepard’s disposal.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 28, 2021 14:20:46 GMT
If people would shut up about the fucking endings. I know that is not going to happen but still that would be great and IMHO the best thing to come out of ME:LE. I’d really be interested to see the perspective of newcomers, who never saw the original endings in all their horrible glory, seeing the extended version for the first time. We all knew it was coming though. When this comes out, the age old arguments will resurface. Cats and dogs will move back in with each other after all these years. Save your color-coded cupcakes, because the salt gon’ rise again. I've got my popcorn and vodka ready for it.... 😈
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 28, 2021 14:52:26 GMT
If people would shut up about the fucking endings. I know that is not going to happen but still that would be great and IMHO the best thing to come out of ME:LE. I’d really be interested to see the perspective of newcomers, who never saw the original endings in all their horrible glory, seeing the extended version for the first time. We all knew it was coming though. When this comes out, the age old arguments will resurface. Cats and dogs will move back in with each other after all these years. Save your color-coded cupcakes, because the salt gon’ rise again. Unless these people been living as hermits somewhere they won't be coming in to endings blind. So i guess i'm less interested in those perspectives than those at original launch.
Personally while i'm always ready to grab my pitchfork and attack the endings this isn't that much of an extra call to arms for me at least. I don't even know if i'll be interested in purchasing it dependent on whether mods work.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 28, 2021 15:23:07 GMT
If people would shut up about the fucking endings. I know that is not going to happen but still that would be great and IMHO the best thing to come out of ME:LE. I’d really be interested to see the perspective of newcomers, who never saw the original endings in all their horrible glory, seeing the extended version for the first time. We all knew it was coming though. When this comes out, the age old arguments will resurface. Cats and dogs will move back in with each other after all these years. Save your color-coded cupcakes, because the salt gon’ rise again. I'm curious about this as well, especially since they will be approaching the games differently, likely playing them back to back and not playing one game then obsessively discussing it while waiting for the next game to come out.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 28, 2021 15:25:01 GMT
I’d really be interested to see the perspective of newcomers, who never saw the original endings in all their horrible glory, seeing the extended version for the first time. We all knew it was coming though. When this comes out, the age old arguments will resurface. Cats and dogs will move back in with each other after all these years. Save your color-coded cupcakes, because the salt gon’ rise again. Unless these people been living as hermits somewhere they won't be coming in to endings blind. So i guess i'm less interested in those perspectives than those at original launch.
Personally while i'm always ready to grab my pitchfork and attack the endings this isn't that much of an extra call to arms for me at least. I don't even know if i'll be interested in purchasing it dependent on whether mods work.
I don't know, all of my friends are gamers. The only one who knows about the endings among my friends is the one who played them as well. The rest barely know anything past its a sci-fi game those two played too much.
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Post by Spectr61 on Feb 28, 2021 15:34:12 GMT
ME3MP captured “lightning in a bottle”. Still the best.
Include it in MELE, introducing legions of new fans to its goodness.
And, include the Recon Hood!
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 28, 2021 16:07:49 GMT
Unless these people been living as hermits somewhere they won't be coming in to endings blind. So i guess i'm less interested in those perspectives than those at original launch.
Personally while i'm always ready to grab my pitchfork and attack the endings this isn't that much of an extra call to arms for me at least. I don't even know if i'll be interested in purchasing it dependent on whether mods work.
I don't know, all of my friends are gamers. The only one who knows about the endings among my friends is the one who played them as well. The rest barely know anything past its a sci-fi game those two played too much. OK fair enough. Gamers intent on playing it never even having heard the notion of game ending having controversy still seems very odd to me as it was huge gaming news & i still see it referenced.
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Post by Radec on Feb 28, 2021 16:51:11 GMT
If people would shut up about the fucking endings. I know that is not going to happen but still that would be great and IMHO the best thing to come out of ME:LE. I’d really be interested to see the perspective of newcomers, who never saw the original endings in all their horrible glory, seeing the extended version for the first time. We all knew it was coming though. When this comes out, the age old arguments will resurface. Cats and dogs will move back in with each other after all these years. Save your color-coded cupcakes, because the salt gon’ rise again. Most people who played it thought the ending was stupid (rightly so). Even the poll taken on this site (a bastion of Bio fanbois if there ever was one) has it losing nearly 2:1 even with EC. Humans haven't really changed in the past ~9 years and neither has Mac and Casey's failed abortion of the series (as far as we can tell about the LE version), so I expect the reaction to be largely the same.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 28, 2021 17:18:01 GMT
I don't know, all of my friends are gamers. The only one who knows about the endings among my friends is the one who played them as well. The rest barely know anything past its a sci-fi game those two played too much. OK fair enough. Gamers intent on playing it never even having heard the notion of game ending having controversy still seems very odd to me as it was huge gaming news & i still see it referenced.
Even if they know there was a issue, they ,might not know the specifics, or at least not enough to influence them. And that was like 9 years ago. I don't remember what I had for breakfast yesterday.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 1, 2021 0:49:32 GMT
I’d really be interested to see the perspective of newcomers I have a colleague of mine whose brother just finished the trilogy a few weeks ago. Now, my colleague had warned him about Kai Leng and still hated Kai Leng, but had no idea about the endings. So when he got to the endings, his disappointment was ... significant. So I assume it will not be that or any different for most newcomers.
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Post by Spectr61 on Mar 1, 2021 13:38:05 GMT
I’d really be interested to see the perspective of newcomers I have a colleague of mine whose brother just finished the trilogy a few weeks ago. Now, my colleague had warned him about Kai Leng and still hated Kai Leng, but had no idea about the endings. So when he got to the endings, his disappointment was ... significant. So I assume it will not be that or any different for most newcomers. This. A turd is a turd, Today. yesterday, or tomorrow. But, glorious diversity be praised, some people like turds!
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 1, 2021 13:59:09 GMT
If people would shut up about the fucking endings. I know that is not going to happen but still that would be great and IMHO the best thing to come out of ME:LE. I’d really be interested to see the perspective of newcomers, who never saw the original endings in all their horrible glory, seeing the extended version for the first time. We all knew it was coming though. When this comes out, the age old arguments will resurface. Cats and dogs will move back in with each other after all these years. Save your color-coded cupcakes, because the salt gon’ rise again. My question is why do people still treat pre Extended Cut endings as the canonical endings?
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 1, 2021 14:02:58 GMT
I’d really be interested to see the perspective of newcomers, who never saw the original endings in all their horrible glory, seeing the extended version for the first time. We all knew it was coming though. When this comes out, the age old arguments will resurface. Cats and dogs will move back in with each other after all these years. Save your color-coded cupcakes, because the salt gon’ rise again. Most people who played it thought the ending was stupid (rightly so). Even the poll taken on this site (a bastion of Bio fanbois if there ever was one) has it losing nearly 2:1 even with EC. Humans haven't really changed in the past ~9 years and neither has Mac and Casey's failed abortion of the series (as far as we can tell about the LE version), so I expect the reaction to be largely the same. This forum at best has like 50 people. There are millions of people who bought and played the game across all platforms. This forum's polls don't represent event 0.001% of the total player base. So trying to use it as some proof of something beyond this small forum is rather disingenuous.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 1, 2021 14:21:29 GMT
I’d really be interested to see the perspective of newcomers, who never saw the original endings in all their horrible glory, seeing the extended version for the first time. We all knew it was coming though. When this comes out, the age old arguments will resurface. Cats and dogs will move back in with each other after all these years. Save your color-coded cupcakes, because the salt gon’ rise again. My question is why do people still treat pre Extended Cut endings as the canonical endings? Bad first impressions don’t die easily, and the original endings were simply immensely unsatisfying. It felt like one of those pretentious faux-auteur endings, where some hack writer was biting off more than they could chew in their attempt to be clever. The initial dissatisfaction with what the product ended up being undoubtedly colored the perception of the game going forward, though in the end, many of the writing pitfalls in the ending didn’t really go away with the Extended Cut anyway. It’s really just the abruptness and total lack of follow-up that gets at least partly resolved.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 1, 2021 15:39:31 GMT
My question is why do people still treat pre Extended Cut endings as the canonical endings? Bad first impressions don’t die easily, and the original endings were simply immensely unsatisfying. It felt like one of those pretentious faux-auteur endings, where some hack writer was biting off more than they could chew in their attempt to be clever. The initial dissatisfaction with what the product ended up being undoubtedly colored the perception of the game going forward, though in the end, many of the writing pitfalls in the ending didn’t really go away with the Extended Cut anyway. It’s really just the abruptness and total lack of follow-up that gets at least partly resolved. That doesn't change the fact that the EC is now the canonical ending. In the original Hobbit the ring Bilbo finds is just a magical ring. It is later after Tolkien started to work on Lord of the Rings that it was retconed into being The One Ring. I've never seen people complain about how it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 17:37:53 GMT
They are supposedly revamping the galaxy map, I hope that includes indications in the ME1 galaxy map which systems are unexplored systems or when new worlds become available.
In ME1, I kept a cheat sheet, laminated, to mark off which systems I'd visited as I progressed through the game. It would be really nice if I didn't have to drag that yellowed, dingy sucker out of my ME1 disc box, when I play MELE.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 1, 2021 18:59:48 GMT
They are supposedly revamping the galaxy map, I hope that includes indications in the ME1 galaxy map which systems are unexplored systems or when new worlds become available. In ME1, I kept a cheat sheet, laminated, to mark off which systems I'd visited as I progressed through the game. It would be really nice if I didn't have to drag that yellowed, dingy sucker out of my ME1 disc box, when I play MELE. Like how MEA handled that would be nice.
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Post by obbie1984 on Mar 2, 2021 0:15:04 GMT
All of these will never happen:
Kasumi romance Cut dialogue to be added (example: stuff like Jack's unique line if she dies holding the line and is romanced with Shepard) Legion to be added sooner in ME2 For Bioware to care more about the quality of ME2 and ME3 rather than some camera angles of Miranda.
But most important would be multiplayer.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Mar 2, 2021 1:42:09 GMT
All of these will never happen: Kasumi romance Cut dialogue to be added (example: stuff like Jack's unique line if she dies holding the line and is romanced with Shepard) Legion to be added sooner in ME2 For Bioware to care more about the quality of ME2 and ME3 rather than some camera angles of Miranda. But most important would be multiplayer. I'd love a Kasumi romance for both Shepards.... .... But Bio would never do that. *Proceeds to kick and punch Liara clones in a blood fuelled rage* 😠😠😠😠
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