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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 26, 2021 13:43:08 GMT
C’mon, you know his rank doesn’t matter. In the end, he’s still got plenty of friends in high places, and lots of good will on his side. His “rank” could conceivably be anything by the new timeline being established here, even somewhere along the path of Primarch. Yes. Which is why Shepard would be tasked with getting Garrus out, in a non official capacity. Which is why, in the event of his discovery, the council would have to declare that Shepard was not working at their behest. You didn’t say anything about this actually putting the character physically at the scene before. If we’re still assuming that the character is actually innocent in this story pitch, that would require a damn good plot twist in order to justify it, because the answer to the question of what even places him there is way more important than this false evidence stuff. Garrus has the benefit of being a very good soldier, even as he is not affiliated with a specific faction. It is not out of the realm of possibilities that Garrus could be employed to help train new recruits, that would help protect the very vulnerable fortifications of the remnant colonies of the Hegemony. Garrus would be a very good candidate for a very experienced soldier, very skilled and very available to help train them. Considering that Garrus may have run in with Balak, or helped Shepard blow up a three hundred thousand population colony full of Batarians, the Batarians would not find it that hard to believe that Garrus would have found this as an opportunity to further decimate the now endangered species' for whatever hatred he may have towards them. And now you'll ask me why they would consider someone like Garrus, a Batarian hater, to train their troops and give access to their facilities. And the answer would be that they wouldn't consider him a Batarian hater at the time. What incidents had happened, they would have considered them under Shepard's command and held him responsible, while also knowing that Shepard was right about the Reapers all along. Knowing what Indoctrination did to Kar'Shan, it would have cast reasonable doubt and enough justification even among Batarians that those actions where to the preservation of the Milky Way and not a hate crime against the Hegemony. Which is why Garrus would be considered trustworthy. And again, this is simply one way you could go about it. It doesn't mean it has to, it doesn't mean I would. This is just the thing that came to mind, within a spur's notice. I am sure a better idea could come up. Still, again, going the "new protagonist route", I don't see it achieving feasibly anything that the EC didn't. A simply "they were fine" explanation about what happened to our old crew is nothing new and does little to reassure or dissuade our doubts about that. The old crew wouldn't interact with the new protagonist and even so, not in a meaningful way, like they would with Shepard, because there is simply no bond and no connection between them. At that point, it is better not to mention them at all. Which does effectively noting to fix the problems of the past. In addition to being someone that neither the Ryder crowd, nor the Shepard crowd want. At least, if you're not going to return to Shepard, make a return to Ryder. Let someone get something out of it.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 26, 2021 14:03:51 GMT
Quite relevant because of the time needed to get all the trophies. It requires poking around every aspect of the game that can't be glossed over or ignored easily simply to continue. The amount of play needed to simply beat the game and the amount needed to get all the trophies/achievements is very different.
Multiple times in ME3 Shepard will look away from the camera and away from the person they are talking to. Numerous times during conversations with Hackett his eyes would focus on the camera rather then Hackett. Or a rare time the head would face towards the camera and then jump back to facing the character that is talking when the camera changes. There was jank in all of them.
When did EA answer my questions? We literally have no idea about the next game.
Yes, jank exists in all three games. More poor face skins and models exist in MEA than in the previous three games combined, which includes a game made (ME) made in 2007. Every face is a reasonable game facsimile in the original game. The Ryder Twins pained smiles and bizarre expressions are still there right now, play again. Final words on the subject, as you seem fairly intransigent: Foster Addison. And they addressed that. Literally the link provides video evidence of them addressing the issues that got it mocked and memed to death. You are literally trying to argue against actual tangible proof while claiming it wasn't a problem in other games. I am playing though ME3 right now and in a lot of scene Wrex's mouth barely moves and yet he makes fully articulated statements.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 26, 2021 19:27:59 GMT
I’ve played ME3 dozens of times, and while there are some animation niggles here and there, Andromeda still has substantially worse to this day. There’s nothing in ME3 on par with the crazy facial flexes in some cutscenes. A couple of the worst offenders are during the Khi Tasira mission, one of which is a popular image of Ryder getting insane fish mouth, which has never been patched.
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Post by Radec on Mar 26, 2021 20:30:12 GMT
Wait, someone is actually arguing they fixed all the horror fish face moments and other cutscene cringe in MEA? I just played the whole thing for the 2nd time a few months ago, and while it's a bit better than launch, it's still very apparent a large number of the cutscenes are an incomplete rush job, far moreso than any of the trilogy (of which ME3 is worst due to also being so rushed, but MEA is on another level).
The FemRyder's face on Khi Teresa whatever just before you bossfight the Archon Sword gives me nightmares to this day. You can't tell me that shit is "fixed"
*sees who made the line of blocked troll posts*
Oh, right. It's doing that again. Carry on.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 27, 2021 1:47:06 GMT
I had 2 complete games played of MEA. I'll say one MEA play through was after the patches one at launch. I don't remember anymore flaws in MEA after patches as in any other ME game, before patches there was some jank but maybe I was lucky or something but I never got the crazy stuff I see others show. And 95% of the game is not in cut scenes, its environments and they had awesome environments. But for me I never complained about the animations, it has always been the absolutely effing terrible characters.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 27, 2021 2:00:39 GMT
Wait, someone is actually arguing they fixed all the horror fish face moments and other cutscene cringe in MEA? I just played the whole thing for the 2nd time a few months ago, and while it's a bit better than launch, it's still very apparent a large number of the cutscenes are an incomplete rush job, far moreso than any of the trilogy (of which ME3 is worst due to also being so rushed, but MEA is on another level). The FemRyder's face on Khi Teresa whatever just before you bossfight the Archon Sword gives me nightmares to this day. You can't tell me that shit is "fixed" *sees who made the line of blocked troll posts* Oh, right. It's doing that again. Carry on. Ah the little troll still can't accept other people have opinions that differ from their own. Fun fact MEA was mocked because over all the animations were non existent and looked like dolls. The update actually addressed that and while it isn't perfect doesn't stand out any more then my experiences with the rest of the mass effect series having wooden movement, weird glitches and other such problems even fully patched. Even by games of the time ME animations looked weird and out of place.
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Post by Radec on Mar 28, 2021 14:58:06 GMT
The troll again denies objective reality in the interest of being a contrarian shill. Truly, all the le funny face montages made about MEA (but not the MET) were made because the internet suddenly became full of dumb Biower hating meanine heads between 2012 and 2017, and not because of a noticeable drop in quality.
They were a disaster at launch. Some have improved since but are still noticeably below average and include meme worthy moments (Sara grinning wide when SAM tells her Alec is dead and having a seizure before fighting Archon's Sword, to name two I remember lol'ing at from my most recent PT).
MET by contrast was good by the standards of the time. It had a consistent drop from game to game, and ME3 is janky in a few places but about average for 2012. Only consistent meme'd moment it had was Shep's head spinning in that one convo with Ashley.
The only part of the MET that looks as consistently janky as MEA does now is the Omega DLC, coincidentally made by the same people as Andromeda.
What is Bio paying you for all this tireless shilling, anyway? Or do you just enjoy getting publicly owned and ratio'd for free?
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Post by traks on Mar 28, 2021 15:03:07 GMT
Can you get back to the topic of this thread - helping others get over ME3s ending - instead of attacking each other? Not seeing what your discussions about MEA have to do with this thread.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 28, 2021 17:37:18 GMT
Can you get back to the topic of this thread - helping others get over ME3s ending - instead of attacking each other? Not seeing what your discussions about MEA have to do with this thread. Because someone has a hate boner for me because I proved them wrong in another thread. So now they act like that to save face. It isn't anything out of the ordinary and pretty par the course for people like that. People that scream someone is autistic because they disagree with them are clearly children. And I am far to old to be offended by a child.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 28, 2021 17:50:23 GMT
The troll again denies objective reality in the interest of being a contrarian shill. Truly, all the le funny face montages made about MEA (but not the MET) were made because the internet suddenly became full of dumb Biower hating meanine heads between 2012 and 2017, and not because of a noticeable drop in quality. They were a disaster at launch. Some have improved since but are still noticeably below average and include meme worthy moments (Sara grinning wide when SAM tells her Alec is dead and having a seizure before fighting Archon's Sword, to name two I remember lol'ing at from my most recent PT). MET by contrast was good by the standards of the time. It had a consistent drop from game to game, and ME3 is janky in a few places but about average for 2012. Only consistent meme'd moment it had was Shep's head spinning in that one convo with Ashley. The only part of the MET that looks as consistently janky as MEA does now is the Omega DLC, coincidentally made by the same people as Andromeda. What is Bio paying you for all this tireless shilling, anyway? Or do you just enjoy getting publicly owned and ratio'd for free? i.imgur.com/uMwLwwy.jpgwww.cnet.com/news/mass-effect-3-face-bug-ruins-gamers-weekend/
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Post by Radec on Mar 28, 2021 18:37:13 GMT
Can you get back to the topic of this thread - helping others get over ME3s ending - instead of attacking each other? Not seeing what your discussions about MEA have to do with this thread. Thing brought it up. It trolls here because it'd get ratio'd on Reddit (just look at its post/like ratio), and used to get temp banned on the official forum which had management, to their credit, that would actually put the boot in on this sort of basement dwellery sometimes.
Older heads here know this about the thing too, so I'll digress.
Ending is among the worst in any major media franchise (rivalled by Lost, Star Wars and GoT in recent times), so much that it almost singlehandedly torpedoed the next installment before it was even born and will likely do the same for the next, but isn't getting retconned as long as Hack Walters keeps his job.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 28, 2021 18:45:56 GMT
Ending is among the worst in any major media franchise (rivalled by Lost, Star Wars and GoT in recent times), so much that it almost singlehandedly torpedoed the next installment before it was even born and will likely do the same for the next Absolutely. isn't getting retconned as long as Hack Walters keeps his job. Even if Mac left today, I don't see Bioware going back on it. Because it would make them look like idiots for sticking with something so obviously harmful to the franchise and their brand for nearly 10 years now. They don't realize that nobody would care, if they ditched it, in favour of something simple, that allowed the franchise to move forward again and would win them immediate good will. Like I've said, Mando season 2 finale.
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Post by Radec on Mar 28, 2021 19:17:05 GMT
Ending is among the worst in any major media franchise (rivalled by Lost, Star Wars and GoT in recent times), so much that it almost singlehandedly torpedoed the next installment before it was even born and will likely do the same for the next Absolutely. isn't getting retconned as long as Hack Walters keeps his job. Even if Mac left today, I don't see Bioware going back on it. Because it would make them look like idiots for sticking with something so obviously harmful to the franchise and their brand for nearly 10 years now. They don't realize that nobody would care, if they ditched it, in favour of something simple, that allowed the franchise to move forward again and would win them immediate good will. Like I've said, Mando season 2 finale. Yeah, pride and sunken cost fallacy. Same reason Picard decided to deal with the nonsense Romulan supernova (though at least it apparently didn't, "destroy the galaxy", because JJ thinks that's how science works) from the 2009 action schlock film rather than ignore it, and now the plot has bigger holes in it than Picard had when that Nausicaan stabbed him (the show also forgot this according to his dialogue at one point). Oh gods, now I'm imagining they fire Mac and hire JJ to "fix" ME now
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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 28, 2021 19:29:16 GMT
Oh gods, now I'm imagining they fire Mac and hire JJ to "fix" ME now It could be worse. They could hire Alex Kurtzman. Bioware, don't hire Alex Kurtzman.
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Post by Radec on Mar 28, 2021 19:35:44 GMT
Oh gods, now I'm imagining they fire Mac and hire JJ to "fix" ME now It could be worse. They could hire Alex Kurtzman. Bioware, don't hire Alex Kurtzman. Yeah, 50/50 that JJs action shlock might at least be entertaining while its ignoring the entire previous history and and themes of the setting. Kurtzman's will just have another edgy guy with zero characterization doing ninja flips while the useless protaganist gawks and has all their agency stripped away. He'll also just steal Mass Effect 3's plot but replace quarians with Romulans and the Reapers with an interdimensional space octopus.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 14:00:58 GMT
You are literally trying to argue against actual tangible proof while claiming it wasn't a problem in other games. Lmao. Tangible proof? Of what? A band-aid on a tumor? Many of the faces in Andromeda remain highly unexpressive. The Ryder Twins still have uncanny valley wincing smiles. I will make "tangible proof" for you if I have to. Wrex is a lizard creature. Addison is a human. You are literally comparing humans to krogan, when you know the game was made by humans on Earth and that we don't have any live Krogan models for mo-cap. Please don't make false claims on what I've said in this thread. I never said ME3 was jank-free.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 29, 2021 20:44:48 GMT
You are literally trying to argue against actual tangible proof while claiming it wasn't a problem in other games. Lmao. Tangible proof? Of what? A band-aid on a tumor? Many of the faces in Andromeda remain highly unexpressive. The Ryder Twins still have uncanny valley wincing smiles. I will make "tangible proof" for you if I have to. Wrex is a lizard creature. Addison is a human. You are literally comparing humans to krogan, when you know the game was made by humans on Earth and that we don't have any live Krogan models for mo-cap. Please don't make false claims on what I've said in this thread. I never said ME3 was jank-free. Uncanny valley is when something artificial is so realistic it causes your brain to send mixed signals. Using uncanny valley as some sort of insult is actually pretty silly given it shows how realistic they were able to create something that your brain literally can't process the fact it is fake.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 23:02:18 GMT
Lmao. Tangible proof? Of what? A band-aid on a tumor? Many of the faces in Andromeda remain highly unexpressive. The Ryder Twins still have uncanny valley wincing smiles. I will make "tangible proof" for you if I have to. Wrex is a lizard creature. Addison is a human. You are literally comparing humans to krogan, when you know the game was made by humans on Earth and that we don't have any live Krogan models for mo-cap. Please don't make false claims on what I've said in this thread. I never said ME3 was jank-free. Uncanny valley is when something artificial is so realistic it causes your brain to send mixed signals. Using uncanny valley as some sort of insult is actually pretty silly given it shows how realistic they were able to create something that your brain literally can't process the fact it is fake. Definition, and I will highlight the pertinent portion for the discussion:
- used in reference to the phenomenon whereby a computer-generated figure or humanoid robot bearing a near-identical resemblance to a human being arouses a sense of unease or revulsion in the person viewing it.
Wait.... I bolded everything?! Hmm..
Because it is all relevant. Now I will add an underline to the essential and bold the problem, since you are missing it -
- used in reference to the phenomenon whereby a computer-generated figure or humanoid robot bearing a near-identical resemblance to a human being arouses a sense of unease or revulsion in the person viewing it.
Their faces are pretty good, on the base skin. The animations and captures are applied horribly, to the point of making me uncomfortable. I know the expression the Ryder faces make sometimes, I have made it myself. I have never unironically used that expression, and no human being would do these expressions in those moments. This is uncanny valley, the very worst and deepest portion of it where the simulation looks right but behaves fuct.
It is the face when you sharted yourself, or maybe just took a knife to the back but were having a good day.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 30, 2021 13:45:46 GMT
Uncanny valley is when something artificial is so realistic it causes your brain to send mixed signals. Using uncanny valley as some sort of insult is actually pretty silly given it shows how realistic they were able to create something that your brain literally can't process the fact it is fake. Definition, and I will highlight the pertinent portion for the discussion:
- used in reference to the phenomenon whereby a computer-generated figure or humanoid robot bearing a near-identical resemblance to a human being arouses a sense of unease or revulsion in the person viewing it.
Wait.... I bolded everything?! Hmm..
Because it is all relevant. Now I will add an underline to the essential and bold the problem, since you are missing it -
- used in reference to the phenomenon whereby a computer-generated figure or humanoid robot bearing a near-identical resemblance to a human being arouses a sense of unease or revulsion in the person viewing it.
Their faces are pretty good, on the base skin. The animations and captures are applied horribly, to the point of making me uncomfortable. I know the expression the Ryder faces make sometimes, I have made it myself. I have never unironically used that expression, and no human being would do these expressions in those moments. This is uncanny valley, the very worst and deepest portion of it where the simulation looks right but behaves fuct.
It is the face when you sharted yourself, or maybe just took a knife to the back but were having a good day.
Uncanny Valley is literally when artical creations become so human like our brain doesn't know how to respond because we know it is fake but our brain is triggering that it is real and it creates conflicting signals. When you use the term uncanny valley to discribe the look of something it is a compliment because it takes very high quality graphics and very life like features to trigger the uncanny valley effect.
Or perhaps I shall let Robot Chicken explain it.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 1, 2021 13:17:46 GMT
Absolutely. Even if Mac left today, I don't see Bioware going back on it. Because it would make them look like idiots for sticking with something so obviously harmful to the franchise and their brand for nearly 10 years now. They don't realize that nobody would care, if they ditched it, in favour of something simple, that allowed the franchise to move forward again and would win them immediate good will. Like I've said, Mando season 2 finale. Yeah, pride and sunken cost fallacy. Same reason Picard decided to deal with the nonsense Romulan supernova (though at least it apparently didn't, "destroy the galaxy", because JJ thinks that's how science works) from the 2009 action schlock film rather than ignore it, and now the plot has bigger holes in it than Picard had when that Nausicaan stabbed him (the show also forgot this according to his dialogue at one point). Oh gods, now I'm imagining they fire Mac and hire JJ to "fix" ME now Or worse Ruin Johnson, or that guy who was in charge of T6.... Or those guys who ruined the GoT TV show....
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Apr 1, 2021 16:07:29 GMT
Yeah, pride and sunken cost fallacy. Same reason Picard decided to deal with the nonsense Romulan supernova (though at least it apparently didn't, "destroy the galaxy", because JJ thinks that's how science works) from the 2009 action schlock film rather than ignore it, and now the plot has bigger holes in it than Picard had when that Nausicaan stabbed him (the show also forgot this according to his dialogue at one point). Oh gods, now I'm imagining they fire Mac and hire JJ to "fix" ME now Or worse Ruin Johnson, or that guy who was in charge of T6.... Or those guys who ruined the GoT TV show.... I really do wonder were this hero worship comes from. ME1 and 2 are full of plot and story issues and no one complains about the writers. But suddenly everything is wrong in ME3 and Mac is suddenly the only cause of it.
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Post by twalicious on Apr 1, 2021 16:27:22 GMT
MEA sucks because if you do manage to get past the awful facial animations and childish writing, you're still stuck with forgettable characters and a very boring plot. I never once was able to give two flying shits about the benefactor or the remnant because I was too busy trying to figure out how to make the game end sooner so I could get on with my life.
Nobody here is saying MET isn't without its flaws, but the facial animations, overall writing, characters and enticing plot were done in such a way that it was incredibly easy to either forget or forgive the issues. MEA's issues compounded relentlessly and are far too numerous when compared to MET.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 1, 2021 16:28:19 GMT
Or worse Ruin Johnson, or that guy who was in charge of T6.... Or those guys who ruined the GoT TV show.... I really do wonder were this hero worship comes from. ME1 and 2 are full of plot and story issues and no one complains about the writers. But suddenly everything is wrong in ME3 and Mac is suddenly the only cause of it. Because Mac Walters was the lead writer of ME3.... en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Effect_3
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Post by Radec on Apr 1, 2021 17:16:51 GMT
I really do wonder were this hero worship comes from. ME1 and 2 are full of plot and story issues and no one complains about the writers. But suddenly everything is wrong in ME3 and Mac is suddenly the only cause of it. Because Mac Walters was the lead writer of ME3.... en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Effect_3Yep, without Karpyshyn there to do most of the heavy lifting and check any of Walters' dumb ideas we end up with utter shlock like the Cerberus Sith Empire, Kai Leng, Pinnochio geth and "yo dawg I heard synthetics might kill you so we got some synthetics to kill you to keep you from being killed by synthetics" ending. Nothing in ME1 or 2 was as bad as any of those things. Also a massive drop in the quality of character writing with lots characters getting recycled or flanderized (e.g Miranda, the VS) or their arcs concluded as "lol I like to drink now". Only a retard or troll would attempt to deny this.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 1, 2021 17:20:27 GMT
Yep, without Karpyshyn there to do most of the heavy lifting and check any of Walters' dumb ideas we end up with utter shlock like the Cerberus Sith Empire, Kai Leng, Pinnochio geth and "yo dawg I heard synthetics might kill you so we got some synthetics to kill you to keep you from being killed by synthetics" ending. Nothing in ME1 or 2 was as bad as any of those things. Also a massive drop in the quality of character writing with lots characters getting recycled or flanderized (e.g Miranda, the VS) or their arcs concluded as "lol I like to drink now". Only a retard or troll would attempt to deny this. I'm expecting a long post that skips it entirely with some random shit thrown in. Or he'll just ignore my post entirely.
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