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Post by Iakus on Apr 3, 2021 13:37:25 GMT
Even before that the exposure to vacuum and subsequent freezing would have rendered Shepard unrevivable. The freezing would result in every cell and surrounding ultrastructure to be shredded by the formation of ice crystals. But I've long since learned to shut off the science part of my brain when watching/reading/playing SciFi (not just ME) because it's all bad science to one degree or another. There's very little well written science fiction with respect to science. Not to mention the amounts of radiation in the area... And the armosphere itself, which I believe was an ammonia-methane mixture.
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Post by Radec on Apr 3, 2021 13:45:07 GMT
They really just wanted their subtle as a brick space Jesus metaphor and didn't care how they got it.
I liked it better when Shepard was just some guy, and the only thing that made him special compared to any other N7/Spectre, uniquely suited to solving the plot in question, was the Cipher.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 3, 2021 14:05:14 GMT
Shepard would have been reduced to atoms miles before even hitting the planet. No armor for Legion to fix the hole in his chest. No armor for Liara to keep. No dog tags for Hackett to recover. No helmet to keep. And certainly no body to revive. If the trilogy were to be remade, just have Shepard survive with only minor injuries so that the above doesn't happen. Since you brought up dogtags. Can you explain how Hackett recovered the tags? Then can you explain why he would give them to t'soni and not Shepard's mother, for those who play a spacer?
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Apr 4, 2021 3:01:13 GMT
And being beholden to your race's rules and laws is a contradiction to the idea of the spectre's being answerable only to the council and taking part in activity that Council can not be openly found dealing with. This is a massive conflict of interest going on as the Specture would never investigate their own race because their government would tell them to stop or arrest them on made up charges if they poked their head into anything. Udina can lock down the SR-1 and Shepard can walk up and say on his Spectre Authority he is taking the ship and what ever mid level Alliance person would have to unlock the ship for him. Instead the game throws some silly little plot about Anderson sneaking into or punching Udina in the face to unlock the Normandy. And then ME2 has Shepard being sent by the Alliance to look for Geth bases instead of literally anything else a Spectre would be doing.
Mass Effect has always been rule of cool. The fact you openly defend the contradiction in Spectre's having unlimited authority and ability to do what they want but some how are brought to heel by some random representative is 100% rule of cool about the Spectres. The Geth are 100% rule of cool as they are just skynet terminators who get smarter the more there are around them. Including that random and annoying jumping one. Oh hey also remember how we are told over and over again in ME1 is Sovereign reaches the Citadel it is game over. Then Sovereign reaches the Citadel and sits on it for 30 minutes and nothing happens. And magically the Prothean VI on Ilos has a way to delay Sovereign's already stupidly long time to take over the Citadel?
Complaining about the rule of cool in mass effect is like complaining about why the ocean tastes salty when you drink it.
Shepard may have the authority of a specter but he remains an alliance commander. Is it within his powers to ignore alliance orders, sure but he wouldn't be commander Shepard if he did. Could and would are different things. As for udina stopping the ship, again that was coming from the council. Specters still follow orders and are subordinate to the council. So yeah their authority would trump a specter showing up and flashing a badge. And if you don't see a massive difference in tone from rule of cool from ME1 to ME2 you are lying to yourself. Spectre authority would trump Alliance authority. You literally have an entire conversation with the head of C-Sec over this fact and how the Spectre have unlimited and unrestricted authority and how open that could be for abuse. Then the game goes out of the way to handicap Spectre authority simply for plot points. This is bad writing when the game tells you one thing, has an entire conversation about the negative aspects including multiple conversation with Garrus that involve screwing the rules or not. Then suddenly and because the plot needs it this unlimited power is overly curtailed for no reason other then the plot demands it. Which directly contradicts literally everything we learn about Saren during his time as a Spectre as he acted well beyond any reasonable limit for the Turian government and was never restrained or held back by them.
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 4, 2021 4:10:01 GMT
Shepard would have been reduced to atoms miles before even hitting the planet. No armor for Legion to fix the hole in his chest. No armor for Liara to keep. No dog tags for Hackett to recover. No helmet to keep. And certainly no body to revive. If the trilogy were to be remade, just have Shepard survive with only minor injuries so that the above doesn't happen. Since you brought up dogtags. Can you explain how Hackett recovered the tags? Then can you explain why he would give them to t'soni and not Shepard's mother, for those who play a spacer? I can answer the T'Soni one: Because she's the Mary Sue and everyone does everything for her.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Apr 4, 2021 12:54:53 GMT
If the trilogy were to be remade, just have Shepard survive with only minor injuries so that the above doesn't happen. Since you brought up dogtags. Can you explain how Hackett recovered the tags? Then can you explain why he would give them to t'soni and not Shepard's mother, for those who play a spacer? I can answer the T'Soni one: Because she's the Mary Sue and everyone does everything for her. I always find it interesting that people complain about a mary sue NPC while they are a mary sue protagonist. And the very few times the game forces you not to be a perfect god like super hero people will complain about how stupid it is and how you should totally own everything with your mary sue powers. I'm not sure if it is the duality of the player base or cognitive dissonance.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 4, 2021 13:26:49 GMT
Shepard would have been reduced to atoms miles before even hitting the planet. No armor for Legion to fix the hole in his chest. No armor for Liara to keep. No dog tags for Hackett to recover. No helmet to keep. And certainly no body to revive. If the trilogy were to be remade, just have Shepard survive with only minor injuries so that the above doesn't happen. Since you brought up dogtags. Can you explain how Hackett recovered the tags? Then can you explain why he would give them to t'soni and not Shepard's mother, for those who play a spacer? I’d keep the grievous injury part, just skipping over the dying. Requiring rehabilitation in a hospital would be a good story-related reason to have a skill/power reset. Well, there’s 2 good reasons not to use Shepard’s mother. There’s no usable character model, since there was no system in place that would have this character look related to a custom Shepard, and of course the bigger one being that most backgrounds have no living relatives. I guess what you really want then is to just have the dog tags shipped to Shepard and just have it appear in their quarters. Realistically, it should have been Miranda or something that has the dog tags and hands it to Shepard, but I guess that’s another opportunity the base game missed.
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 4, 2021 13:41:26 GMT
I can answer the T'Soni one: Because she's the Mary Sue and everyone does everything for her. I always find it interesting that people complain about a mary sue NPC while they are a mary sue protagonist. And the very few times the game forces you not to be a perfect god like super hero people will complain about how stupid it is and how you should totally own everything with your mary sue powers. I'm not sure if it is the duality of the player base or cognitive dissonance. You control the player character and shape the opinions. Such is the nature of a game as opposed to a book or movie. But the NPCs are more book-like, especially in interactions not with the protagonist.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 4, 2021 14:55:47 GMT
If the trilogy were to be remade, just have Shepard survive with only minor injuries so that the above doesn't happen. Since you brought up dogtags. Can you explain how Hackett recovered the tags? Then can you explain why he would give them to t'soni and not Shepard's mother, for those who play a spacer? I can answer the T'Soni one: Because she's the Mary Sue and everyone does everything for her. ME2 is almost wa ll to wall mary sues.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Apr 4, 2021 15:02:28 GMT
I always find it interesting that people complain about a mary sue NPC while they are a mary sue protagonist. And the very few times the game forces you not to be a perfect god like super hero people will complain about how stupid it is and how you should totally own everything with your mary sue powers. I'm not sure if it is the duality of the player base or cognitive dissonance. You control the player character and shape the opinions. Such is the nature of a game as opposed to a book or movie. But the NPCs are more book-like, especially in interactions not with the protagonist. So the fact Shepard never fails at anything the story doesn't force them to fail at is irrelevant to the mary sue nature of the protagonist? The ability to tell someone to fuck off is irreverent to the fact Shepard never makes a wrong choice. No matter what horde of enemies are in front of them they always succeed. Even in failure they succeed. There are only a handful of moments at best were Shepard fails and fails completely. And those moments are often sources of complaints by the player base. Thessia for example has spawned endless complaints and complaining about everything because Shepard didn't just steam roll over Leng. Because Shepard is such a mary sue that the idea of someone being able to actually cause them to fail is inconceivable by the player base.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 4, 2021 15:06:47 GMT
You control the player character and shape the opinions. Such is the nature of a game as opposed to a book or movie. But the NPCs are more book-like, especially in interactions not with the protagonist. So the fact Shepard never fails at anything the story doesn't force them to fail at is irrelevant to the mary sue nature of the protagonist? The ability to tell someone to fuck off is irreverent to the fact Shepard never makes a wrong choice. No matter what horde of enemies are in front of them they always succeed. Even in failure they succeed. There are only a handful of moments at best were Shepard fails and fails completely. And those moments are often sources of complaints by the player base. Thessia for example has spawned endless complaints and complaining about everything because Shepard didn't just steam roll over Leng. Because Shepard is such a mary sue that the idea of someone being able to actually cause them to fail is inconceivable by the player base. I suspect its more an artifact that you are the protagonist in a game. Games are meant to be beaten. But he can fail, and quite often depending on how you play. My first play through of ME1 I failed to convince wrex to stand down he died, I failed to defuse the fights between Miranda and jack, Miranda died. I frequently did not have enough P/R points to get a good ending to that scenario. But for the meat of the game, well its a game you are supposed to win.
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Post by Radec on Apr 4, 2021 15:19:36 GMT
I always find it interesting that people complain about a mary sue NPC while they are a mary sue protagonist. And the very few times the game forces you not to be a perfect god like super hero people will complain about how stupid it is and how you should totally own everything with your mary sue powers. I'm not sure if it is the duality of the player base or cognitive dissonance. You control the player character and shape the opinions. Such is the nature of a game as opposed to a book or movie. But the NPCs are more book-like, especially in interactions not with the protagonist. The term gets overused. Shepard's not a Mary Sue just because they're exceptional at what they do (duh, fiction tends to focus on exceptional people by its nature). Nothing they do in the plot is really outside their purview of being good at shooting things in the face, leading troops and giving inspiring leadership speeches (all things in their career field/area of expertise as a military officer). They dont gain new, inexplicable abilities based on the needs of the plot to have it always revolve around them like Liara does between ME1 and 2 (except maybe at the ending, but the ending is terrible). Mary Sue Shepard wouldn't need Tali's skills at hacking a geth to get dirt on Saren, they'd just go find a geth and do it themself. Wouldn't need Mordin to make a seeker swarm counter or Genophage cure, because they'd suddenly switch gears from super soldier to best scientist when those problems comes up. Liara is really the only ME character you could realistically apply the label to. Even Andromeda manages to avoid making such a bad character (maybe Ryder, right at the end when S/he starts commanding AI starships telepathically without the AI).
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 4, 2021 16:05:34 GMT
I can answer the T'Soni one: Because she's the Mary Sue and everyone does everything for her. ME2 is almost wa ll to wall mary sues. Not really, they can fail pretty spectacularly, as the suicide mission shows.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 4, 2021 16:08:04 GMT
Well, there’s 2 good reasons not to use Shepard’s mother. There’s no usable character model, since there was no system in place that would have this character look related to a custom Shepard, Why would Shepard's mother make an appearance? Why can't there be a line of dialogue saying Shepard's dogtags were given to mother Shepard? And of course Bioware forgot that. What I want is Shepard to ask the asari questions about some of the stuff in the dlc. You know there's two versions of the dogtags right? Here's what I posted about them in the things that don't make sense thread. If anything give the tags to Anderson who gives them to Shepard when they meet, if they meet.
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 4, 2021 16:09:08 GMT
You control the player character and shape the opinions. Such is the nature of a game as opposed to a book or movie. But the NPCs are more book-like, especially in interactions not with the protagonist. So the fact Shepard never fails at anything the story doesn't force them to fail at is irrelevant to the mary sue nature of the protagonist? The ability to tell someone to fuck off is irreverent to the fact Shepard never makes a wrong choice. No matter what horde of enemies are in front of them they always succeed. Even in failure they succeed. There are only a handful of moments at best were Shepard fails and fails completely. And those moments are often sources of complaints by the player base. Thessia for example has spawned endless complaints and complaining about everything because Shepard didn't just steam roll over Leng. Because Shepard is such a mary sue that the idea of someone being able to actually cause them to fail is inconceivable by the player base. Except he can. Repeatedly. Don't get enough War Assets. Wam bam, galaxy's dead. Make Miranda hold up a biotic bubble? Someone's dead because you suck at choosing. Don't get enough points with quarians and geth? Gotta kill one. Say the wrong thing to Talitha? Blows her brains out. Kai Leng's issue is that he always wins (not that its true). But Kai Leng literally comes out of nowhere and wins. Unless you read the expanded universe, you had no idea who this twerp was. And even then, he just shows up and killsteals, especially when the first time we see him, he loses to a terminally ill drell.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Apr 4, 2021 16:45:17 GMT
So the fact Shepard never fails at anything the story doesn't force them to fail at is irrelevant to the mary sue nature of the protagonist? The ability to tell someone to fuck off is irreverent to the fact Shepard never makes a wrong choice. No matter what horde of enemies are in front of them they always succeed. Even in failure they succeed. There are only a handful of moments at best were Shepard fails and fails completely. And those moments are often sources of complaints by the player base. Thessia for example has spawned endless complaints and complaining about everything because Shepard didn't just steam roll over Leng. Because Shepard is such a mary sue that the idea of someone being able to actually cause them to fail is inconceivable by the player base. Except he can. Repeatedly. Don't get enough War Assets. Wam bam, galaxy's dead. Make Miranda hold up a biotic bubble? Someone's dead because you suck at choosing. Don't get enough points with quarians and geth? Gotta kill one. Say the wrong thing to Talitha? Blows her brains out. Kai Leng's issue is that he always wins (not that its true). But Kai Leng literally comes out of nowhere and wins. Unless you read the expanded universe, you had no idea who this twerp was. And even then, he just shows up and killsteals, especially when the first time we see him, he loses to a terminally ill drell. Galaxy isn't dead just Earth is destroyed. The rest of the galaxy is still alive and capable of rebuilding and the Reapers are destroyed. That is success. You stop the conflict and have a group to support your war effort. That is a success.
Talitha is the first example of actual failure.
Shepard always wins. No one complains about that. But Leng suddenly winning acting as a mirror reflection of Shepard's plot armor suddenly annoys people when they are forced to look in a mirror. Leng doesn't do anything that Shepard hasn't done a dozen times in the series. Or even a dozen times in a single game.
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Post by mtheillusive on Apr 4, 2021 16:47:23 GMT
You control the player character and shape the opinions. Such is the nature of a game as opposed to a book or movie. But the NPCs are more book-like, especially in interactions not with the protagonist. So the fact Shepard never fails at anything the story doesn't force them to fail at is irrelevant to the mary sue nature of the protagonist? The ability to tell someone to fuck off is irreverent to the fact Shepard never makes a wrong choice. No matter what horde of enemies are in front of them they always succeed. Even in failure they succeed. There are only a handful of moments at best were Shepard fails and fails completely. And those moments are often sources of complaints by the player base. Thessia for example has spawned endless complaints and complaining about everything because Shepard didn't just steam roll over Leng. Because Shepard is such a mary sue that the idea of someone being able to actually cause them to fail is inconceivable by the player base. I wouldn't say NEVER make the wrong choice. That depends on the player's personal playthrough. Mine's, for example, decided to give the Illusive Man the Collector Base at the end of ME2 (one because it justifies the games existence in trying to find a way to stop the Reapers , and two because as dangerous as it is, it does make sense from a certain point of view if you have enough trust in them, foolish or not...and Shepard is getting desperate by that point, as I often do Arrival right after the Reaper IFF mission back to back...ME2 was very dramatic that way lol). Thus, along with destroying a star system, another super desperate maneuver by the war hero, he is partially responsible for what's going on in ME3. He indirectly made Cerberus as dangerous as they are with their new tech. And still tries to talk sense into the Illusive Man all throughout ME3 (imo giving them the base makes ME3 sooooooo much better and more interesting). In doing things like that, for me it came across as a trilogy of games where people who know of the threat (SHep, Saren, Illusive man) are all desperate and make crazy decisions to find a way to stop and survive the impossible. Whether its allying with the reapers with the hope to be spared(Saren), indoctrinating your soldiers to Cerberus ideals so they hopefully won't be indoctrinated by the Reapers (Illusive man...hell it makes sense even if its evil lol), or desperately trying to get every military and foot soldier possible to win a war that may be literally impossible to win (Shepard)...its all desperation to fight the impossible, a force that can not be beaten conventionally, if at all. I do get your point on Leng though...and I don't know if its Bioware's fault or the fanbase. Imagine if they would have Leng REALLY kick their butt and have them near death...the outrage Hell many fans are mad that the Reapers can't be beaten conventionally when THATS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THEM....THEY CAN'T BE BEATEN CONVENTIONALLY Reminds me of my friends who are still mad that The Hulk got his *** handed to him by Thanos...while I enjoyed every second of it He's the strongest one there is....until he wasn't lmao
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Apr 4, 2021 17:15:28 GMT
You control the player character and shape the opinions. Such is the nature of a game as opposed to a book or movie. But the NPCs are more book-like, especially in interactions not with the protagonist. The term gets overused. Shepard's not a Mary Sue just because they're exceptional at what they do (duh, fiction tends to focus on exceptional people by its nature). Nothing they do in the plot is really outside their purview of being good at shooting things in the face, leading troops and giving inspiring leadership speeches (all things in their career field/area of expertise as a military officer). They dont gain new, inexplicable abilities based on the needs of the plot to have it always revolve around them like Liara does between ME1 and 2 (except maybe at the ending, but the ending is terrible). Mary Sue Shepard wouldn't need Tali's skills at hacking a geth to get dirt on Saren, they'd just go find a geth and do it themself. Wouldn't need Mordin to make a seeker swarm counter or Genophage cure, because they'd suddenly switch gears from super soldier to best scientist when those problems comes up. Liara is really the only ME character you could realistically apply the label to. Even Andromeda manages to avoid making such a bad character (maybe Ryder, right at the end when S/he starts commanding AI starships telepathically without the AI).
Shepard is free of weakness. Everything they do is perfect. Mordin is also a mary sue as he has no weakness and know what to do and when to do it.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Apr 4, 2021 17:19:23 GMT
So the fact Shepard never fails at anything the story doesn't force them to fail at is irrelevant to the mary sue nature of the protagonist? The ability to tell someone to fuck off is irreverent to the fact Shepard never makes a wrong choice. No matter what horde of enemies are in front of them they always succeed. Even in failure they succeed. There are only a handful of moments at best were Shepard fails and fails completely. And those moments are often sources of complaints by the player base. Thessia for example has spawned endless complaints and complaining about everything because Shepard didn't just steam roll over Leng. Because Shepard is such a mary sue that the idea of someone being able to actually cause them to fail is inconceivable by the player base. I wouldn't say NEVER make the wrong choice. That depends on the player's personal playthrough. Mine's, for example, decided to give the Illusive Man the Collector Base at the end of ME2 (one because it justifies the games existence in trying to find a way to stop the Reapers , and two because as dangerous as it is, it does make sense from a certain point of view if you have enough trust in them, foolish or not...and Shepard is getting desperate by that point, as I often do Arrival right after the Reaper IFF mission back to back...ME2 was very dramatic that way lol). Thus, along with destroying a star system, another super desperate maneuver by the war hero, he is partially responsible for what's going on in ME3. He indirectly made Cerberus as dangerous as they are with their new tech. And still tries to talk sense into the Illusive Man all throughout ME3 (imo giving them the base makes ME3 sooooooo much better and more interesting). In doing things like that, for me it came across as a trilogy of games where people who know of the threat (SHep, Saren, Illusive man) are all desperate and make crazy decisions to find a way to stop and survive the impossible. Whether its allying with the reapers with the hope to be spared(Saren), indoctrinating your soldiers to Cerberus ideals so they hopefully won't be indoctrinated by the Reapers (Illusive man...hell it makes sense even if its evil lol), or desperately trying to get every military and foot soldier possible to win a war that may be literally impossible to win (Shepard)...its all desperation to fight the impossible, a force that can not be beaten conventionally, if at all. I do get your point on Leng though...and I don't know if its Bioware's fault or the fanbase. Imagine if they would have Leng REALLY kick their butt and have them near death...the outrage Hell many fans are mad that the Reapers can't be beaten conventionally when THATS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THEM....THEY CAN'T BE BEATEN CONVENTIONALLY Reminds me of my friends who are still mad that The Hulk got his *** handed to him by Thanos...while I enjoyed every second of it He's the strongest one there is....until he wasn't lmao You are incapable of sabotaging yourself. There is no out come were you utterly fail outside of a tiny handful of situations. And even then those situations are often forced on you for narrative reasons.
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 4, 2021 17:36:15 GMT
Except he can. Repeatedly. Don't get enough War Assets. Wam bam, galaxy's dead. Make Miranda hold up a biotic bubble? Someone's dead because you suck at choosing. Don't get enough points with quarians and geth? Gotta kill one. Say the wrong thing to Talitha? Blows her brains out. Kai Leng's issue is that he always wins (not that its true). But Kai Leng literally comes out of nowhere and wins. Unless you read the expanded universe, you had no idea who this twerp was. And even then, he just shows up and killsteals, especially when the first time we see him, he loses to a terminally ill drell. Galaxy isn't dead just Earth is destroyed. The rest of the galaxy is still alive and capable of rebuilding and the Reapers are destroyed. That is success. You stop the conflict and have a group to support your war effort. That is a success.
Talitha is the first example of actual failure.
Shepard always wins. No one complains about that. But Leng suddenly winning acting as a mirror reflection of Shepard's plot armor suddenly annoys people when they are forced to look in a mirror. Leng doesn't do anything that Shepard hasn't done a dozen times in the series. Or even a dozen times in a single game.
Actually...no, when you consider that the Reapers harvest the humans and the Crucible is destroyed. The Reapers will know about it and it can't be used. That's what Starbrat says. That's not a success, that's a failure. You couldn't get the armies you wanted because you messed up.
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 4, 2021 17:37:12 GMT
The term gets overused. Shepard's not a Mary Sue just because they're exceptional at what they do (duh, fiction tends to focus on exceptional people by its nature). Nothing they do in the plot is really outside their purview of being good at shooting things in the face, leading troops and giving inspiring leadership speeches (all things in their career field/area of expertise as a military officer). They dont gain new, inexplicable abilities based on the needs of the plot to have it always revolve around them like Liara does between ME1 and 2 (except maybe at the ending, but the ending is terrible). Mary Sue Shepard wouldn't need Tali's skills at hacking a geth to get dirt on Saren, they'd just go find a geth and do it themself. Wouldn't need Mordin to make a seeker swarm counter or Genophage cure, because they'd suddenly switch gears from super soldier to best scientist when those problems comes up. Liara is really the only ME character you could realistically apply the label to. Even Andromeda manages to avoid making such a bad character (maybe Ryder, right at the end when S/he starts commanding AI starships telepathically without the AI).
Shepard is free of weakness. Everything they do is perfect. Mordin is also a mary sue as he has no weakness and know what to do and when to do it.
Errr...no. Mordin's weakness is that he is incapable of looking beyond what he did. He is consumed by perceived failures so much he'll side with a genocidal maniac like Wreav to assuage his guilt.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 4, 2021 17:42:57 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue Which means (heavily borrowed name from the wiki) every captain of the Enterprise, Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Princess Leia, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, James Bond, Willow, Jon Snow, Arya Stark, Red Cloud (real person), Geronimo, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Helen Keller, Dr. Helen Abbott Michael, Jonny Kim, Admiral Yi-Sun Shin, ever BioWare lead character and so on. Shepard is free of weakness. Everything they do is perfect. Mordin is also a mary sue as he has no weakness and know what to do and when to do it. I'd posit that Shepard was so exceptional that no one could do what he did. That said, Shep isn't perfect. In fact, the list of imperfections based on possible in-game choices are ridiculous. Sorry, but basically shooting your squadmates in the back doesn't make one perfect. Contributing to the extinction of a species (rachni and krogan) does not make someone perfect. Shep is an arrogant asshole, even at his best.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 4, 2021 19:59:03 GMT
ME2 is almost wa ll to wall mary sues. Not really, they can fail pretty spectacularly, as the suicide mission shows. By that standard Liara fails quite a bit as well. When you find her she fucked up and got herself trapped in a force bubble, in ME2 she done fucked up and got her compatriot captured by the shadow broker, in Me3 she fails to figure out and secure the mars info before evil robot grabs it, and she can die.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 4, 2021 20:56:20 GMT
ME2 is almost wa ll to wall mary sues. Not really, they can fail pretty spectacularly, as the suicide mission shows. Eh, some of the mechanics around the suicide mission are pretty bad. Like, the character can go through the same ordeal, but their loyalty gives them just enough pep in their step to survive, whereas unresolved business has their soul going “aight, ima head out”. It’s even funnier if you get a character like Zaeed to carry forward while disloyal. The man dies to the sound of the Presidium ambient music. If he could hear it, I’m sure he’d be insulted.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Apr 4, 2021 22:50:14 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue Which means (heavily borrowed name from the wiki) every captain of the Enterprise, Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Princess Leia, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, James Bond, Willow, Jon Snow, Arya Stark, Red Cloud (real person), Geronimo, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Helen Keller, Dr. Helen Abbott Michael, Jonny Kim, Admiral Yi-Sun Shin, ever BioWare lead character and so on. Shepard is free of weakness. Everything they do is perfect. Mordin is also a mary sue as he has no weakness and know what to do and when to do it. I'd posit that Shepard was so exceptional that no one could do what he did. That said, Shep isn't perfect. In fact, the list of imperfections based on possible in-game choices are ridiculous. Sorry, but basically shooting your squadmates in the back doesn't make one perfect. Contributing to the extinction of a species (rachni and krogan) does not make someone perfect. Shep is an arrogant asshole, even at his best. Yes they are mary sues.
Shepard is perfect at everything they do. Again they only rarely fail or some short. And most of the time even failure still results in success.
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