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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 20, 2021 1:40:46 GMT
I’m gonna have to call shenanigans on that 20 minutes of work claim. I’d love for a proper developer to weigh in on this, but I guess we’ll just have to deal with us filthy casuals to speculate on that. How long do you think it would take to remove all the content from the time Shepard passes out to just before the crucible fires the red wave? A few moments after Shepard passes out, the crucible fires destroying the reapers. If a developer were to respond, I would like to ask him/her how long it would have taken to insert all the LI in the flashback scene that were left out before the cut was released. I have doubts that any developer at BioWare would give a particularly simple answer, or at the very least, an answer you might consider satisfactory. I don’t think BioWare would ever take a simple approach of just yanking chunks of content out of the ending. It’s a much different situation from just switching up a camera angle, because it’s now a question of whether or not they create their own version of MEHEM, thereby invalidating Control and Synthesis, or rearrange preexisting content and maintain the choice systems in place before the conclusion. Without knowing the specifics of the new game or what they intend to do to account for whatever happens in the LE version, it’s kinda hard to say at this point.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 20, 2021 1:59:50 GMT
I think themikefest posted a guide where everyone dies, but you can still get Synthesis, with only the people left on the Normandy alive The only ones still around would be the crew, Vega, t'soni and edibot since 2700 ems is needed for the green.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 20, 2021 2:07:33 GMT
Point of order it hasn't been established because we haven't seen the series from a furture perspective. If this is the case, we'll find out. We can't "unpack" in a trailer, based on future information, that hasn't been disclosed. We can either unpack, or we can't.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 20, 2021 3:35:17 GMT
Oh, hell, let's just stipulate that just yanking anything that isn't Destroy would be easy. Is it even a good idea?
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 20, 2021 3:50:33 GMT
Oh, hell, let's just stipulate that just yanking anything that isn't Destroy would be easy. Is it even a good idea? I can already see the full spectrum of the bellyache rainbow. The one I’d be most curious to see would be the complaints about how they didn’t also expand and fix the option that’s left. “Destroy still sucks. Shepard’s just a heaving torso.”
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Post by traks on Mar 20, 2021 11:53:23 GMT
Reapers died before green beam (we are involved in the death of 4 in ME3 alone), and you pointed out one of many ways to deal with the circuits. The only thing about the Reaper War we can possibly unpack from the trailer is that this is after. You can't do away with the circuits with no established lore about them. If that is so, everyone is alive in that trailer. No established lore needed. Nobody is in quantum state anymore. Just because you didn't see them, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Again, if you are to "unpack" anything in the trailer, some things have to be taken at face value. Liara is alive, no synthesis. Otherwise, it's false advertisement.Strange logic IMO. There are NPCs in ME2s and ME3s trailers that could have died in ME1 or ME2. So historically when looking at ME trailers it just means, that she can be in the next game. Just like the Virmire survivor or any of the dirty dozen could in ME3. The only reason, why I think she is definitely in ME next is, that I don't think we will import anything (major) out of our own playthroughs, but rather find ourselves (as the new PC) in one of the many possible world states after the Reaper war. Liara as a character that gives you options to link the new game to the old because of her long lifespan and being important to the universe as the Shadow Broker - as well as the fact that she only dies in a tiny bit of possible outcomes - make her a logical choice to be there.
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Post by traks on Mar 20, 2021 11:58:03 GMT
I’m gonna have to call shenanigans on that 20 minutes of work claim. I’d love for a proper developer to weigh in on this, but I guess we’ll just have to deal with us filthy casuals to speculate on that. How long do you think it would take to remove all the content from the time Shepard passes out to just before the crucible fires the red wave? A few moments after Shepard passes out, the crucible fires destroying the reapers. If a developer were to respond, I would like to ask him/her how long it would have taken to insert all the LI in the flashback scene that were left out before the cut was released. Cutting content would be remake territory, so that was never on the table for the LE. To get this back to the support group theme: BioWare made their decision on the ending already twice and won't change it anymore. The only thing fans can hope for - if that ending still irks one - is IMO that they pick an interesting premise/setting for the next game.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 20, 2021 13:50:44 GMT
The only reapers we really see destroyed prior to the end of ME3, besides Sovereign, are all destroyers. The one that gets zapped by Leviathan is a capital ship, but that one’s probably lying in a Leviathan’s garden in the shade. The real issue with Synthesis as an end state is how to make the actual synthesized life part really play a meaningful role in the setting. Would people have any heightened abilities to communicate, or anything to justify this change? Depending on the game made. Easy remote access control of drones and mechs for distraction and scouting. Ability to share information similar to how Javik's ability worked. Not needing an implant to have access to computer abilities. To clone individuals and transfer their memories to new bodies. People pushing for more and less organic stances. Basically people wanting more and more cybernetic implants in their bodies to make them closer to AIs. Depends on how far they want to push and what the over all story could be.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 20, 2021 17:02:11 GMT
The only reapers we really see destroyed prior to the end of ME3, besides Sovereign, are all destroyers. The one that gets zapped by Leviathan is a capital ship, but that one’s probably lying in a Leviathan’s garden in the shade. The real issue with Synthesis as an end state is how to make the actual synthesized life part really play a meaningful role in the setting. Would people have any heightened abilities to communicate, or anything to justify this change? Depending on the game made. Easy remote access control of drones and mechs for distraction and scouting. Ability to share information similar to how Javik's ability worked. Not needing an implant to have access to computer abilities. To clone individuals and transfer their memories to new bodies. People pushing for more and less organic stances. Basically people wanting more and more cybernetic implants in their bodies to make them closer to AIs. Depends on how far they want to push and what the over all story could be. That’s just it. The more ambitious elements of this particular world state are likely not something I see BioWare willing to explore. This is why I think they’ll just maintain the status quo and use a post-Destroy world state.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 20, 2021 17:17:39 GMT
This is why I think they’ll just maintain the status quo and use a post-Destroy world state. They better not.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 20, 2021 17:24:42 GMT
This is why I think they’ll just maintain the status quo and use a post-Destroy world state. They better not. What’s the alternative? In the end, someone’s choices are getting shafted no matter what.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 20, 2021 17:26:01 GMT
What’s the alternative? In the end, someone’s choices are getting shafted no matter what. Staying in Andromeda, thereby not shafting anyone’s choices.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 20, 2021 17:29:13 GMT
What’s the alternative? In the end, someone’s choices are getting shafted no matter what. Staying in Andromeda, thereby not shafting anyone’s choices. Sure, but that ship has sailed. All we have to work with now is the hand BioWare’s dealt us with that teaser.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 20, 2021 17:31:31 GMT
Depending on the game made. Easy remote access control of drones and mechs for distraction and scouting. Ability to share information similar to how Javik's ability worked. Not needing an implant to have access to computer abilities. To clone individuals and transfer their memories to new bodies. People pushing for more and less organic stances. Basically people wanting more and more cybernetic implants in their bodies to make them closer to AIs. Depends on how far they want to push and what the over all story could be. That’s just it. The more ambitious elements of this particular world state are likely not something I see BioWare willing to explore. This is why I think they’ll just maintain the status quo and use a post-Destroy world state. Why wouldn't they be willing to explore it? It would make a great story and would allow explorations of other themes.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 20, 2021 17:38:29 GMT
That’s just it. The more ambitious elements of this particular world state are likely not something I see BioWare willing to explore. This is why I think they’ll just maintain the status quo and use a post-Destroy world state. Why wouldn't they be willing to explore it? It would make a great story and would allow explorations of other themes. Frankly, I don’t think they really have it in them to even do it, but after the ME3 backlash and how poorly their attempt to shake things up was received, I think they’re going to keep things as safe as possible.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 20, 2021 17:46:34 GMT
Staying in Andromeda, thereby not shafting anyone’s choices. Sure, but that ship has sailed. All we have to work with now is the hand BioWare’s dealt us with that teaser. So first they fuck over Dragon Age, then murder Anthem, and now fuck over Mass Effect?
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Post by traks on Mar 20, 2021 18:02:38 GMT
Remember, this group setting is about accepting that they start fresh and getting over (old) gripes. ;-)
About developing an open mind for the next game.
Seems like we need some more sessions.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 20, 2021 18:12:07 GMT
Sure, but that ship has sailed. All we have to work with now is the hand BioWare’s dealt us with that teaser. So first they fuck over Dragon Age, then murder Anthem, and now fuck over Mass Effect? As one of the suckers that bought into Anthem, I can’t say it’s undeserved, and frankly, it should have died midway through production to make way for something more meaningful rather than atrophy on BioWare’s servers as well as our systems. Andromeda should have been the focus, not this crappy live service scheme. The thing was set up to fail from the very beginning as a result, so BioWare’s probably trying to reach for the lowest hanging fruit to win back some good will. Edit: Should have, not should not have.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 20, 2021 18:38:45 GMT
So first they fuck over Dragon Age, then murder Anthem, and now fuck over Mass Effect? As one of the suckers that bought into Anthem, I can’t say it’s undeserved, and frankly, it should have died midway through production to make way for something more meaningful rather than atrophy on BioWare’s servers as well as our systems. Andromeda should not have been the focus, not this crappy live service scheme. The thing was set up to fail from the very beginning as a result, so BioWare’s probably trying to reach for the lowest hanging fruit to win back some good will. Disagree entirely. SWTOR should have been the one cut loose since it’s already had its time. So their solution to fucking over a group of fans is to fuck over a different group of fans? That’s idiotic. Maybe the people who say BioWare should be shut down have a point if that’s their strategy moving forward.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 20, 2021 18:50:39 GMT
Why wouldn't they be willing to explore it? It would make a great story and would allow explorations of other themes. Frankly, I don’t think they really have it in them to even do it, but after the ME3 backlash and how poorly their attempt to shake things up was received, I think they’re going to keep things as safe as possible. Yea I'm not overly concerned with the player base's reception given my experience says a lot of them don't pay attention. A day ago in the mass effect sub reddit there was someone literally aruging that you can't commit genocide against the Geth in the Destroy ending because it wasn't racially or politically motivated. And that because Anderson supported destroying the Reapers it can't be bad.
And when people pointed out that Shepard was explicitly told about how the Geth would be targeted so Shepard knew what they were doing and couldn't claim it was an unexpected action. They said that they were wrong because it isn't genocide. While everyone pointing out that the OP was wrong got a lot of down votes every half ass reply got several up votes.
Then there are the multitudes of people who will claim destroy is the best. Which is fine as a personal opinion but then start to push the idea that all the other endings are some how horrible ones. Like that one fellow on here that claimed synthesis rewrites DNA forcing everyone to think and act differently. Even though this is not supported by anything in game. But when you start to do that to destroy they start to metaphorically scream and rant and insist that there is 0 deviation from the happily ever after ending we got. Any any deviation from that is just horse shit even though their entire argument is based off deviations from the happily ever after ending that is control and synthesis.
The people who claim "the conflict doens't exist between organic and synthetic" simply because the Geth let the Quarians go at the end of the Morning War. But never seem to have any words to explain away the Quarians pouring back though the relay 300 years later with the express intent to wipe out the Geth again.
Honestly I think the problem is less the lack of skill in BioWare and more the fact the player base just has a high number of stupid people.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 20, 2021 19:49:18 GMT
As one of the suckers that bought into Anthem, I can’t say it’s undeserved, and frankly, it should have died midway through production to make way for something more meaningful rather than atrophy on BioWare’s servers as well as our systems. Andromeda should not have been the focus, not this crappy live service scheme. The thing was set up to fail from the very beginning as a result, so BioWare’s probably trying to reach for the lowest hanging fruit to win back some good will. Disagree entirely. SWTOR should have been the one cut loose since it’s already had its time. So their solution to fucking over a group of fans is to fuck over a different group of fans? That’s idiotic. Maybe the people who say BioWare should be shut down have a point if that’s their strategy moving forward. I can’t really speak on SWTOR, since I’ve never played it, but I’m going to guess here that the maintenance and updates of a now-decade old MMO is probably a great deal less than the full production of a new IP from the ground up. That being said, it was clear that Anthem was fundamentally broken as a product. Whatever semblance of a narrative it had was anemic to say the least, its characters were barebones outlines and its character and loot progression was laughably shallow. This was probably the first BioWare game I ever played where every single character failed to have any meaningful presence. My expectations were low, because live service games always just use story content as window dressing for its intended purpose, which is just grinding for loot and playing with other people, but it didn’t even do THAT right. To fix this game, it would need to be torn down and rebuilt with an entire production to really get this thing to seem like a meaningful product. Frankly, I think it was too little too late. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it came down to having to choose between fixing Anthem and attempting to win back its player base, or actually get to work on its flagship IP’s. Whatever fans were left of Anthem were already fucked over a long time ago.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 20, 2021 19:52:34 GMT
Disagree entirely. SWTOR should have been the one cut loose since it’s already had its time. So their solution to fucking over a group of fans is to fuck over a different group of fans? That’s idiotic. Maybe the people who say BioWare should be shut down have a point if that’s their strategy moving forward. I can’t really speak on SWTOR, since I’ve never played it, but I’m going to guess here that the maintenance and updates of a now-decade old MMO is probably a great deal less than the full production of a new IP from the ground up. That being said, it was clear that Anthem was fundamentally broken as a product. Whatever semblance of a narrative it had was anemic to say the least, its characters were barebones outlines and its character and loot progression was laughably shallow. This was probably the first BioWare game I ever played where every single character failed to have any meaningful presence. My expectations were low, because live service games always just use story content as window dressing for its intended purpose, which is just grinding for loot and playing with other people, but it didn’t even do THAT right. To fix this game, it would need to be torn down and rebuilt with an entire production to really get this thing to seem like a meaningful product. Frankly, I think it was too little too late. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it came down to having to choose between fixing Anthem and attempting to win back its player base, or actually get to work on its flagship IP’s. Whatever fans were left of Anthem were already fucked over a long time ago. They’re still making story expansions for SWTOR, so far more than mere maintenance but exactly the kind of thing they needed to do for Anthem. Disagree with your assessment of the story and characters. Still doesn’t address my point, which was BioWare thinking the best way to get over fucking over their fans is to fuck over more fans.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 20, 2021 20:09:41 GMT
Frankly, I don’t think they really have it in them to even do it, but after the ME3 backlash and how poorly their attempt to shake things up was received, I think they’re going to keep things as safe as possible. Yea I'm not overly concerned with the player base's reception given my experience says a lot of them don't pay attention. A day ago in the mass effect sub reddit there was someone literally aruging that you can't commit genocide against the Geth in the Destroy ending because it wasn't racially or politically motivated. And that because Anderson supported destroying the Reapers it can't be bad.
And when people pointed out that Shepard was explicitly told about how the Geth would be targeted so Shepard knew what they were doing and couldn't claim it was an unexpected action. They said that they were wrong because it isn't genocide. While everyone pointing out that the OP was wrong got a lot of down votes every half ass reply got several up votes.
Then there are the multitudes of people who will claim destroy is the best. Which is fine as a personal opinion but then start to push the idea that all the other endings are some how horrible ones. Like that one fellow on here that claimed synthesis rewrites DNA forcing everyone to think and act differently. Even though this is not supported by anything in game. But when you start to do that to destroy they start to metaphorically scream and rant and insist that there is 0 deviation from the happily ever after ending we got. Any any deviation from that is just horse shit even though their entire argument is based off deviations from the happily ever after ending that is control and synthesis.
The people who claim "the conflict doens't exist between organic and synthetic" simply because the Geth let the Quarians go at the end of the Morning War. But never seem to have any words to explain away the Quarians pouring back though the relay 300 years later with the express intent to wipe out the Geth again.
Honestly I think the problem is less the lack of skill in BioWare and more the fact the player base just has a high number of stupid people.
It doesn’t matter if any of us are concerned about fan reception or not, because it’s clear that EA/BioWare are. If they weren’t, Andromeda would’ve gotten continued support, and we wouldn’t be looking at a Liara-centric teaser now. Heck, going to Andromeda is easily the soundest solution to avoiding the complications of the endings while also moving forward instead of doing prequel or midquel content, yet here we are. It’d be hilarious if people hate this too, so they end up going back to Andromeda.
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Post by Phantom on Mar 20, 2021 20:17:03 GMT
Yea I'm not overly concerned with the player base's reception given my experience says a lot of them don't pay attention. A day ago in the mass effect sub reddit there was someone literally aruging that you can't commit genocide against the Geth in the Destroy ending because it wasn't racially or politically motivated. And that because Anderson supported destroying the Reapers it can't be bad.
And when people pointed out that Shepard was explicitly told about how the Geth would be targeted so Shepard knew what they were doing and couldn't claim it was an unexpected action. They said that they were wrong because it isn't genocide. While everyone pointing out that the OP was wrong got a lot of down votes every half ass reply got several up votes.
Then there are the multitudes of people who will claim destroy is the best. Which is fine as a personal opinion but then start to push the idea that all the other endings are some how horrible ones. Like that one fellow on here that claimed synthesis rewrites DNA forcing everyone to think and act differently. Even though this is not supported by anything in game. But when you start to do that to destroy they start to metaphorically scream and rant and insist that there is 0 deviation from the happily ever after ending we got. Any any deviation from that is just horse shit even though their entire argument is based off deviations from the happily ever after ending that is control and synthesis.
The people who claim "the conflict doens't exist between organic and synthetic" simply because the Geth let the Quarians go at the end of the Morning War. But never seem to have any words to explain away the Quarians pouring back though the relay 300 years later with the express intent to wipe out the Geth again.
Honestly I think the problem is less the lack of skill in BioWare and more the fact the player base just has a high number of stupid people.
It doesn’t matter if any of us are concerned about fan reception or not, because it’s clear that EA/BioWare are. If they weren’t, Andromeda would’ve gotten continued support, and we wouldn’t be looking at a Liara-centric teaser now. Heck, going to Andromeda is easily the soundest solution to avoiding the complications of the endings while also moving forward instead of doing prequel or midquel content, yet here we are. It’d be hilarious if people hate this too, so they end up going back to Andromeda. Well Should I start a campaign to just that? To Hate this and move back to Andromeda
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 20, 2021 20:38:02 GMT
I can’t really speak on SWTOR, since I’ve never played it, but I’m going to guess here that the maintenance and updates of a now-decade old MMO is probably a great deal less than the full production of a new IP from the ground up. That being said, it was clear that Anthem was fundamentally broken as a product. Whatever semblance of a narrative it had was anemic to say the least, its characters were barebones outlines and its character and loot progression was laughably shallow. This was probably the first BioWare game I ever played where every single character failed to have any meaningful presence. My expectations were low, because live service games always just use story content as window dressing for its intended purpose, which is just grinding for loot and playing with other people, but it didn’t even do THAT right. To fix this game, it would need to be torn down and rebuilt with an entire production to really get this thing to seem like a meaningful product. Frankly, I think it was too little too late. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it came down to having to choose between fixing Anthem and attempting to win back its player base, or actually get to work on its flagship IP’s. Whatever fans were left of Anthem were already fucked over a long time ago. They’re still making story expansions for SWTOR, so far more than mere maintenance but exactly the kind of thing they needed to do for Anthem. Disagree with your assessment of the story and characters. Still doesn’t address my point, which was BioWare thinking the best way to get over fucking over their fans is to fuck over more fans. Anthem may have needed it, but the fact that it took 2 years to finally reach this conclusion leads me to believe 2 things: no real groundwork was made in all this time, and no one really knew exactly where to start, which sounds painfully similar to the game’s actual production, since no one knew what the game was about when the E3 demo was shown. I can say with absolute certainty that vanilla Destiny would never have gotten this far. I’m not sure what choice they even had at this point. Does anyone truthfully believe that BioWare is capable of giving Anthem the necessary support to get the game back on track, and go into full production of its Dragon Age and Mass Effect IP’s? I don’t see it.
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